/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11675793]

"There's no point dating someone who you don't think will eventually be your wife and mother of your children."

[Anonymous No.11675799]

Whats the point of having children?

[Anonymous No.11675809]

So there is no point dating if you're infertile?

[Anonymous No.11675997]

>>11675793
This is good advice, assuming you're interested in settling down at somepoint and you're not a normie who does meme shit on his days off.

[Anonymous No.11676005]

>>11675793
>what don't kill me make me stronger :')

[Anonymous No.11676048]

>>11675793
Making authoritative statements on "the point" of something presumes a shared eschatology and goal.

[Anonymous No.11676100]

What book is that line from?

[Anonymous No.11676119]

>>11675799

To achieve some measure of immortality. The path of glorious deeds offers an alternative for those who would take it. Of course, nothing prevents you from attempting both.

[Anonymous No.11676122]

hes right you know

[Anonymous No.11676126]

>>11676048

Are we not all humans?

[Anonymous No.11676134]

>>11676119
>i want to have children to live forever
Wew, and they say childfree people are selfish

[Anonymous No.11676135]

>>11675809
Yes. Sterile people are defective abominations and should all kill themselves.

[Anonymous No.11676166]

>>11676119
I never understood this stupid argument. I get that in some sense your genes live on but you don’t. You can wrap it up in as much pretty imagery as you want but you do not live vicariously through your offspring. You will die and your face and name will be forgotten. So it has been and so it is.

[Anonymous No.11676184]

I never realized that all I need is a wife, just one single woman who I can talk to and share my life with.

[Anonymous No.11676239]

>>11676166

Ever feel good after imparting knowledge? It's because your hard-won discoveries will live on. I was a janitor for many years. My greatest regret is that I could not train my successor. All those little tricks I learned went to waste. The child is more than just a biological continuation, though it is that too. Everything you impart on this other you becomes a bit more permanent.

[Anonymous No.11676253]

>>11676126
Even if we were, what would that imply?
That all arrangements of matter in the rough shape of 2 arms and 2 legs must act as one collective ego?

[Anonymous No.11676424]

>>11676119
>To achieve some measure of immortality.

What makes you think you're not immortal already?

[Anonymous No.11676436]

>>11676122
He is
>>11675793
Nothing wrong with this.
>>11675799
"Be fruitful and multiply"

[Anonymous No.11676608]

Luther's quote but unironically

[Anonymous No.11676628]

>>11675793
he's right, dating is a poor investment otherwise

[Anonymous No.11676709]

Kinda homophobic.

[Anonymous No.11676726]

>>11675793
How can you decide whether someone will eventually be your wife if you don't date her? Or should you be able to decide that after only 1 date?

[Anonymous No.11677275]

>>11675799
There is a theory that reincarnation exists but is limited to emerging in future progeny. You don't procreate, you're dead forever.
You really want to take that risk?

[Anonymous No.11677289]

>>11677275
Oh God, yes.

[Anonymous No.11677293]

>>11676608
Martin Luther King is, might I say, looking very pale these days.

[Anonymous No.11677317]

>>11675793
I am like this, is this a problem?

[Anonymous No.11677361]

>>11676726
Have some standards. Date women that don't come across, in any way, as whores.

[Anonymous No.11678145]

>>11676134
People that don't want children tend to be liberals, and I'm glad for them not to reproduce.

[Anonymous No.11678151]

>>11676608
he also wrote a 65,000 word treatise titled "On the Jews and their Lies". It's safe to say Luther was based and redpilled.

[Anonymous No.11678160]

>>11676726
don't date women who have posted ass pictures on social media or pictures with their tongue or wearing a choker or revealing clothing, don't date women who take tons of selfies, don't date ugly women who will give you ugly children

good luck anon, :)

[Anonymous No.11678163]

>>11677275
Why you so scared of death?

[Anonymous No.11678180]

>>11675793
didn't think I'd agree with this guy on anything just from his rep, but I was pleasantly surprised. That's a pretty valid statement OP

[Anonymous No.11678181]

>>11676253
no, but it does imply that "all arrangements of matter in the rough shape of 2 arms and 2 legs," aka humans, are the same thing and have the same essence, and therefor the same purpose. he obviously is trying to say that the only "right" point of dating is towards marriage. sure, you could date just to fug some bitch, but you're just perverting what dating is supposed to be, a tool of humans used for reproduction.

[Anonymous No.11678182]

>>11677361
I don't know any whores. How do they come across?

[Anonymous No.11678184]

Okay, this is epic! It's like he read either of Darwin's two major works, published well over a century ago.

[Anonymous No.11678186]

>>11675793
I have followed that line of thinking OP for most of my life and I dont know anymore

When I was a teenager and I didnt realize what I wanted in a partner and would date seemingly randomly only to realize a few days or weeks later that I didnt like them at all and that it was just novelty I felt

This kept happening and I realized I should just stop doing this because I was hurting these people. Either this was what it would always be like and I had to fix myself so that I actually would love someone, I wasnt dating the right people and needed to stop myself and wait, or there was no hope either way. I went with the second line of thinking which is your OP roughly

Now im sitting here wondering if I did it all wrong. Sometimes I wish I was younger, like 13, so that I didnt have to consider any of this and could grow up differently, thinking that would fix it. I think thats why I like anime and why I come here, not just /lit/, but 4chan. Anime makes me think that things like this could happen to people

Then I just remember what 13 year old girls were like, and, I just dont know

MODS

[Anonymous No.11678193]

>>11678182
any woman who detaches her sexuality (eros) from emotion. Just like any man who serves logos for money alone is a manwhore (kike)

[Anonymous No.11678199]

>>11678193
>any woman who detaches her sexuality (eros) from emotion
so literally no woman ever?

[Anonymous No.11678214]

>>11678199
what? There are billions of women who have sex for the sole purpose of securing financial resources. Just like there are billions of men who go into a career and earn PhD's for the sole purpose of making money.

[Anonymous No.11678224]

>>11678199
I guess greed counts as an emotion, but I was moreso talking about pure passion (rooted as it may be in evolutionary survival and resource acquisition) apart from conscious calculation

[Anonymous No.11678239]

>>11678214
>>11678224
she breathe, she a thot

[Anonymous No.11678259]

Unironcally based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11678261]

>>11678239
nah there are some girls who have sex out of pure emotion. Ironically many of them are what people here would call sluts. True whores are best exemplified by girls in engineering majors who basically choose their bf by crossing off items on an earnings potential checklist. The kindest girl I've ever met was pretty much a used up roastie.

[Anonymous No.11678280]

>>11678261
>nah there are some girls who have sex out of pure emotion.
wait, so are you saying that this is a good thing, or just less of a bad thing than being rational about who to fuck based on material gain?

[Anonymous No.11678293]

>>11678280
One is human even if flawed and possibly degenerate, the other is evil and an affront to dignity

[Anonymous No.11678304]

>>11678293
so what does a decent girl do?

[sauce(dead)pan No.11678309]

>>11678304
Probably has great articulation and develops sociability at pubs

[Anonymous No.11678312]

>>11675793
the male reprodutive strategy is to impregnate as many women as possible and not raise the children

so it is basically oppression against men that they have to pay child support

[Anonymous No.11678352]

>>11678304
the first one, we're all flawed m8. Ideally she should have sex based on emotion with one man who she marries and has kids with but I don't hold it against a girl if that didn't happen as long as she wasn't using men for money

[Anonymous No.11678355]

>>11675793
Not getting laid is code for white genocide

[Anonymous No.11678360]

>>11675793
>he doesn't know about PRACTICE GIRLFRIENDS

[Anonymous No.11678364]

>>11678182
I was exaggerating. I meant moreso girls that are also looking to get married and won't participate in sexual activities before marriage should be the ones you look out for and try to date.

[Anonymous No.11678370]

>>11678355
this whole argument breaks down when you realize that asians get laid even less than white NEETS

[Anonymous No.11678373]

>>11678352
I think there are more than two kinds of women, anon

[Anonymous No.11678375]

>>11678360
Sounds absolutely degenerate, unless it's holding hands and appropriate dates or something

[Anonymous No.11678384]

>>11678373
I can see that partially, but I made the statement and I'm sticking with it.

[Anonymous No.11678389]

>>11678384
I see. What do you think of women who marry to have a secure family and future but stays loyal and makes the marriage work as best as she could, like in a succussful arranged marriage?

[Anonymous No.11678409]

>>11678373
there is only one kind of woman, she just varies in how intensely she is like that, for a given number of qualities.

The absolute most feminine women are simply borderline personality girls, which is basically femininity as pathology. If you act commanding around these girls they turn into the softest things the universe is capable of creating. The opposite end of the spectrum is the manjawed careerist woman, who is basically just a guy except solipsistic.

Both those types of women are huge sluts. Most women are sluts, being slutty is a different spectrum, and has to do with things like IQ, impulse control, levels of affect and libido.

All women have the impulse to cheat on their husband with a superior man for his superior genetics, that is just what being a woman entails, same way being a man entails wnating to fuck a bunch of random girls but not stick around raising the baby.

being mad at women for being sluts is simply irrational, that is how they were built, and it is totally logical. I dont get mad at men for fucking around, so i don't see why i should get mad at women either. It's all just a game anyway

[Anonymous No.11678424]

>>11678409
I don't quite believe you, anon. And you can say that all humans are the same essentially, but vary in intensity or degree of those human qualities. That just means there's plenty different kinds of people. I just don't buy that all women are sluts.

[Anonymous No.11678432]

>>11675793
>putting your "skin" in the (((game)))

[Anonymous No.11678438]

>>11678424
they are man, except a small minority who wnat to be nuns, or are just intensely monogamous, but th it a small proportion of them

it's not even a bad thing, it conflcits witht he male strategy of course, but well neither is better than the other, its just the way things are

[Anonymous No.11678446]

>>11678424
notice that women have developed the idea of 'slutshaming' which is meant to be a bad thing

what does that tell you about how they view this stuff, it;s not like they hide these things these days

which is honestly nice, this might be the first time in human history the sexes can actually understand each other, if they put in the effort, and get over their anger about the conflict between them, which will alwyas be there

[Anonymous No.11678449]

>>11678424
>And you can say that all humans are the same essentially, but vary in intensity or degree of those human qualities.
also yes, absolutely this is true

men and women are extremely different on average though, the level of genetic difference is around the same as that between a male chimpanzee and a male human

sexes are almost like two species mingling in one genetic pool

[Anonymous No.11678451]

>>11678424
i don't think all women are sluts, but i do think that a woman needs to be raised very carefully by her parents in a very strict environment in order to not become a slut. this almost never happens anymore thanks to the prevalent liberal sentiment of "figuring life out for yourself." i think there are very very few men who can sustain the soul crushing upbringing that modernity and liberalism provide when parents take a backseat without becoming a complete degenerate, and i think the number of women who can do it is probably zero. so basically there are unicorns out there, but they were all homeschooled or went to an all girls school and are incredibly hard to find, or are already taken anyway.

[Anonymous No.11678456]

>>11675793
im an anti-natalist, I also dont live my life by what strangers say, especially by what some sandnigger "intellectual" says

[Anonymous No.11678459]

>>11678449
so you be sayin we should be fuckin male monkeys n shit instead?

[Anonymous No.11678462]

>>11675793
Idk about you but I can think of one

[Anonymous No.11678465]

>>11678459
you may fuck monkeys

It is a varied world out there my friend, and there are doubtless some monkey-fucking compadres for you to feel accepted by

[Anonymous No.11678466]

>>11675793
Sounds like good advice if you want to actually date decent people, if not a bit strict.

Not that I would know, because I've never been apart of the 'singles dating' scene. I was lucky enough to just jump right in to the good shit.

>both lost virginity to one another
>now married for a few years
>sex is still amazing and continually gets better and better as time goes on
Feels good

[Anonymous No.11678467]

>>11678151
after failing to convert them to his pleb faith, kek

[Anonymous No.11678470]

>>11678438
>>11678446
>>11678449
>>11678451
Sounds like you are in the wrong environments. I'm fairly religious and there are still quite a few sluts in my religious denomination, but I think there's plenty of them that aren't. Don't most non-religious people not care about virgin marriage and want to marry and have kids way late in life?

[Anonymous No.11678485]

>>11678470
>but I think there's plenty of them that aren't.
you would be wrong though

for example read this
https://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/

Again it is unreasonable to expect of women that they do not follow their basic evolutionary imperatives, it will just make you deluded and used, or bitter and hateful

Just see thigns as they are, and accept them, and act accordingly, even when they conflict with what you want, well that is life

[Anonymous No.11678496]

>>11678485
>https://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/
ISHYGDDT

[Anonymous No.11678505]

>>11678496
i dont even care about that particular guy, that is just the first example that sprang to mind, about 'pure' girls being actually reformed(or just hidden) sluts

If you think for even a second about women's evolutionary pressures you will understand that cuckolding their provider husband is a basic instinct that transcends their entire awareness of morality, in the same way that a man can't help but stare at some hot girl and want her while with his wife.

The fact that these ideas are considered ludicrous is an indictment of our entire cultural climate

[Anonymous No.11678507]

>>11678485
>>11678496
A FUCKING WHITE MALE

[Anonymous No.11678517]

>>11678470
i'm catholic and i've only ever seen 2 girls my age alone at mass and i'm pretty sure one of them was because she was doing readings and had to do them at each mass and this was the late one so her family probably went to the early one only. pretty much every girl that goes is there with her family, with two parents. of those, most look like they're still in high school. and even the ones that do go, you never know if they're just some lukewarm who only goes because their parents make them, which is why them going alone would be a good indicator of strong faith. i don't know, i'm just blackpilled on women. sure there are some good ones, but finding one is all based on luck and i'm a shitty person anyway, so it is what it is, i'm not even bitter about it anymore

[Anonymous No.11678518]

>>11675793
prove it

[Anonymous No.11678520]

>>11678505
>If you think for even a second about women's evolutionary pressures you will understand that cuckolding their provider husband is a basic instinct that transcends their entire awareness of morality
I'm no evolutionary biologist but this sounds pretty uncharitable my friend

[Anonymous No.11678529]

>>11677275
There is also a theory that reincarnation exists but is limited only to those who don't mate.

[Anonymous No.11678548]

>>11678520
You being funny or what bro? It’s actually true though it also applies yo men. It’s a zero sum game between the genders and there’s an inverse relationship. Either women are getting cucked or men are getting cucked. Right now it’s men. Whores are held in as high esteem as players were 20 years ago. It’s why the West is so fucked. Why families are falling apart and men prefer video games over having children. It’s why spics and niggers are fucking white women and poisoning our genes. Until these cum dumpsters get put in their place the white race is going to remain fucked. Fuck the wall. It’s not about the wall. It’s about white bitches not having discipline and white men letting their women run around aucking every dick they want. There’s no greater proof of this that tge prevailing thoughts on pedophilia. Men are hardwired to fuck twelve year olds but doing so will get them imprisoned. Women are hardwired to fuck big dicks and soing so gets cheers from white cucks all over the country. It used to be that cunts got stoned, which was better than prison. Now men get stoned and bitches run wild. Take the red pill bro.

[Anonymous No.11678549]

>>11678520
it's just how it works man

a woman wants the best possible genetics for her baby right? That guy will probably not stick around with her, but he will fuck her because guys will fuck any number of women because they win evolutionarily when they fuck as many women as possible, insuring more children.

So what does the woman want? She wants the best possible guy's genetics, and the best guy she can get to stick around and raise babies.

I think usually it works out to her actually raising some of the provider husband's kids and maybe one or two children from a superior guy, but it vares massively from culture to culture, and race to race.

You have entire harems, you have actual enforced monogamy, you have mixtures involving various amounts of cuckolding and male infedeility.

It is simply obvious

[Anonymous No.11678554]

>>11678548
you have an incredibly retarded view of this subject and have read none of the literature

It is not zero sum at all, there is a lot of harmony between the sexes, men and women raising their children together.
There is just also conflict

also re: pedophilia and big dicks, you don't even vaguely understand the dynamics at play, you have a childish understanding of what is going on

[Anonymous No.11678556]

>>11675799
Extra hands on the farm.

[Anonymous No.11678561]

>>11678548
also women can't be cucked, and spics and niggers have nothing to do with the question, racemixing is a insignificant demographically

I question if you are not actually just trolling, because almost everything you said is wrong, and i don't want to have to explain why each sentence is stupid

[Anonymous No.11678562]

>>11678556
if the farm is my cock, then yes

[Anonymous No.11678590]

I dont understand a lot of you anons and I'd like to. What is it, specifically, that you dislike about women, or what is the differentiation between men and women that you think needs to be understood by men and overcome?

I dont understand this fear of women having sex. You guys seem to be afraid of women for doing what men do normally, but you dont chide men for doing it? Or is that the chad thing? Youre insecure about men as well just like youre insecure about women, but only specific men which people I think jokingly now call chads. Are there actual statistics backing up this feeling of a few men fucking all of women?

Is this just insecurity? Why do you hate yourself so much if thats the case?

[Anonymous No.11678595]

>>11676253
>That all arrangements of matter in the rough shape of 2 arms and 2 legs
Humans are not merely this though. Even our higher cognitive functions are restricted to a certain bound. It's like claiming a wooden spoon is actually just a formless blob of immateriality.

[Anonymous No.11678598]

>>11678590
here man read this book
https://ia802708.us.archive.org/11/items/pdfy-RHEZa8riPwBuUyrV/The%20Selfish%20Gene.pdf

Go to the chapter battle of the sexes if you just want the woman-mna thing

The guys on here who hate women hate them because they saw certain things about them, but don't understand that that is how women and men have to be.

It is very illuminating honestly

[Anonymous No.11678676]

>>11678517
I'm orthodox and I see a fair number of girls in church even on Saturday evening, so better than your situation I suppose. The thing is you can't just walk up and talk to them at or after church so that doesn't help much.

[Anonymous No.11678691]

>>11678590
It doesn't matter whether a man or woman does it, premarital sex is wrong. Despite the image of the chad, I suspect there are more women than men right now who cheat and/or have sex with multiple partners before marriage. I don't hate women or anything tho, not one of the anons itt that are saying that dichotomous shit

[Anonymous No.11678728]

>>11675799
You could run though many reasons but for me, I'm 19 right now, and the primary 'reason' would be: I feel the need to. Not just animalistic conception but the whole process. There is a certain continued existence in it, both in genetics and in nurture, you shape an individual with blood and words. I'm a bit disgruntled with the world I was born into, the way I was raised by family and society alike. The way things were when I was growing up. It sometimes seems like everyone is a manchild and civilisation is a failure. So, there is a desire for repentance, to give to another and satisfy myself. I don't know, but having a family and living as a father seems like the best thing ever. Giving one's effort, attention, and love to a significant other and offspring is appealing, I suppose.

>>11676726
You become intimate with the people you know, perhaps eventually becoming so intimate that you are a couple and may marry/procreate. That's moreorless how it works in many countries. My own doesn't have American-style dating, though it isn't as strict as depicted in the above either. In this way, a woman you couple with is likely to be good for you and you good for her. This may not work given the contemporary social climate of many countries, however, increasingly socialising just sort of doesn't exist in a complete form.

[Anonymous No.11678732]

>>11677275
>you're dead forever
sounds peaceful

[Anonymous No.11678736]

>>11678598
Im going through it right now

What are some of the best criticisms against this line of thinking, that women and merely devolve into what is being talked about?

Im only asking so that I can give each side some thought

[Anonymous No.11678773]

>>11678590
>Why do you hate yourself so much if thats the case?
I have never found a reason not to hate myself

[Anonymous No.11678777]

>>11678773
Try becoming better, by your own standard

[Anonymous No.11678796]

>>11678777
I will never even approximate anything close to okay, let alone good

[Anonymous No.11678798]

>>11678796
By your own power?

[Anonymous No.11678816]

>>11678798
What?

[Anonymous No.11678834]

i totally agree but i wish i didn't cuz it means i know longer have any interest in sexy thots, it's an oldman mindset, but then again i'm over 30 so at least i'm acting my age

[Anonymous No.11678842]

>>11678736
there are none

i fyou get how evolution works it it just kind of obvious

nobody has ever mounted a convincing argument against that book

[Anonymous No.11678857]

>>11678816
Is it because you don't have the will to be better?

[Anonymous No.11678889]

>>11678842
Well it seems that he offers his own counter argument to this interpretation you are going with through memes

Socrates genes might be successful, but his memes are far more successful, and it seems the rest of culture would follow like this to a point

So a counter argument would be that because of memes, women dont devolve merely to what their genes tell them, since memes may go directly against that

Then the burden is put back on those saying women do do this to a point, since they must show that women still do this or that because of genes up to some point

[Anonymous No.11678922]

>>11676709
Funny how "progressives" want deadweight individuals eliminated for impeding "progress" but have overwhelming support for the gays. Their very lifestyle gives society nothing but they're not impeding "progress?"

[Anonymous No.11678954]

>>11678529
>heaven is filled with autistic virgins, babies and children, childfree liberals, caveman genetic trash, and wine aunts
I'll see you in hell anon

[Anonymous No.11678964]

>>11678456
>anti-natalist
>"sandnigger"

[Anonymous No.11678990]

>>11678364
>participate in sexual activities

God almighty.

[Anonymous No.11679048]

>>11675799
Long term social bonds. The thrill of replicating yourself.

[Anonymous No.11679368]

>>11677275
>>11678954
Standing by that retarded theory, murderers, rapers, bad violent men also get to heaven because they managed somehow to procreate? I remember you that procreating doesn't mean inherently be a "good person" and also the evil, who should not, equally spreads instead in this world.

[Anonymous No.11679383]

I have to call myself a "secular social conservative" because I subscribe to this thought. Hate how degenerate western society has become.
Also hate feeling like an outcast. I'm not really conservative. I'm just not degenerate. I don't fit in with conservatives but I also don't fit in with liberals nor any other group/ideology.

[Anonymous No.11679436]

>>11676726
You can know a person without "dating".
This culture of dating, followed by perhaps have the girl becoming a girlfriend, then perhaps become a serious girlfriend, then perhaps a wife, is utterly cancerous. I get that it has become the norm and even before meeting my wife I had to go through the whole girlfriend experience thing, but it would be better not to do things this way.

[Anonymous No.11679459]

>>11675799
White Europeans are the best race on this planet. It's for the future of humanity.

[Anonymous No.11679486]

>>11679459
>B-but what is the point of caring about the future of humanity
Talking to a dead wall anon.

[Anonymous No.11679642]

>>11679459
White European Males and East Asian Females are the best duo

[Anonymous No.11679643]

>>11679642
t. r/hapa

[Anonymous No.11679648]

>>11679643
wrong and never reply to someone that quickly on a slow board again. put some thought into your post.

[Anonymous No.11679652]

>>11679648
k

[Anonymous No.11679653]

>>11675799
Because relationships make people happy.

[Anonymous No.11679883]

>>11678304
follows an individualistic path which respects her past, present and future. Not neccessarily built around morals of systems but of learned grace and healthy presentations of her aspirations.

[Anonymous No.11679891]

>>11678466
living the fucking life bro, godspeed.
Cherish what you have.

[Anonymous No.11679900]

>>11678922
>Funny how "progressives" want deadweight individuals eliminated for impeding "progress"
What gave you this impression? Propping up "deadweight individuals" is the crux of progressivism.

[Anonymous No.11679983]

>>11675793
Depends on how wide a stretch you make of the word "date". Being conservative in matters of diction as I'm liberal in conduct, wherever biblical traps of language or expectation are set, I'm quite sure the cage's gilding will do nothing for my prevailing mood. If it does for you, so be it: In the long run, we're all slaves to something, and while you can't pick your poison, there are always antidotes to select among and test for efficacy.

[Anonymous No.11680135]

>>11678857
It is because it is impossible

[Anonymous No.11680161]

Boipussy don't have this problem