/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11672197]

Let us debate.

I am an atheist, a determenist, a materialist. I believe that morality is subjective, and yet see no problem in enforcing it on others. I think having children is an immoral gamble in a person's welfare. I believe we should systematically wipe out species, in order to end the rule of a blind process, red in tooth and claw, that has been torturing animals for hundreds of millions of years.
Also, before you ask, I am planning on killing myself when I get a good chance.

I am willing to debate all of the raised opinions above. Go on.

[Anonymous No.11672208]

>>11672197
Why commit suicide?

[Anonymous No.11672210]

Where's the literature in this?

[Anonymous No.11672217]

Basically the most uninteresting basic bitch establishment opinions. Got it smileyface

[Anonymous No.11672226]

>>11672197
Why do you believe the human race is to be wiped because of his negative impact on other living and yet you pest us with your presence?

[Anonymous No.11672231]

>>11672208
It is more about emotion than reason. I simply see no good reason not to, and the suicidal thoughts that haunt me for years are a good enough reason to do it, for me.
>>11672210
Well, this thread will be our piece of literature for today. Better make a good use of it! :)
>>11672217
One would think that you would be able to find a good argument to destroy one of my many raised points.

[Anonymous No.11672236]

>>11672226
>Why do you believe the human race is to be wiped because of his negative impact on other living

Where did I say I believe such a thing?

[Anonymous No.11672258]

Ahem. /lit/, you were never so lucky as to have such a brilliant mind on your borad. Give me a good argument to destroy.

[Anonymous No.11672267]

>>11672197
>I believe we should systematically wipe out species, in order to end the rule of a blind process, red in tooth and claw, that has been torturing animals for hundreds of millions of years
Can you elaborate on this? Sounds both crazy and idiotic, and like you don't know anything about ecology

[Anonymous No.11672279]

>>11672197
>a materalist
We cannot debate. You will do the world a service by killing yourself.

[Anonymous No.11672282]

>>11672197
Why are you any, or all, of these things?

[Anonymous No.11672283]

>>11672267
Please elaborate yourself on why you see it as crazy.

Think about what it feels like to be a zebra, and to be hunted by a lion. Think of what it feels like to be a mother zebra and lose your foal. Think of what it feels like to starve to death. Now think of how many animals in world history and prehistory have felt those feeling, and much worse feelings, and for what? All for relicating a DNA molecule. This is why I am happy when I ear that another species was wiped out.

[Anonymous No.11672285]

>>11672279
Why do you think so?
>>11672282
Well, I read books, I've argued with many smart people, I've sat long and thought, and these are the conclusions I have reached.

[Anonymous No.11672286]

>>11672283
But what of the lion's feeling? They have children and starve as well. Would you kill all animals because they feel pain? Would that then include humans?

[Anonymous No.11672288]

>>11672285
Which books have you read and what do you think lead you to them?

[Anonymous No.11672289]

>>11672283
>im an atheist, materialist, determinist
>”oh the poor animals”
>muh suffering
Dropped

[Anonymous No.11672297]

>>11672286
Of course, I will kill the lions too (if I could). It is not their fault that they are proggamed to thrive on other's suffering.

Indeed it would include humans, at least in theory.

[Anonymous No.11672302]

>>11672297
But what of human will? Most, I dare say nearly all, would not agree with you in killing animals or people. You would go against the wills of the world and not stop to think you may be wrong?

[Anonymous No.11672312]

>>11672197
Account for the existence of intentionality in biological systems.

[Anonymous No.11672318]

>>11672288
The book that influced me most is probably The Selfish Gene. Another book that influenced me was unfortuntly never translated into english. Its title transltes at "the cat who is not there", and it bassically debunk 2,000 years of philosophy in 200 pages.

What lead me to them? Seeing them in the store, I guess. I was brought up in a religous home, so maybe that made me a little obsseive with some of these subjects.
>>11672289
Why do you bother commenting?
>>11672302
I see no reason to respect their will. They are proggramed to want what they want. They have no free will, and hence some of them are suffering solely because of the condintions that causes them to resist seeking an end to that suffering.

[Anonymous No.11672324]

>>11672297
How did you come to the conclusion that suffering is bad? It seems as if you presuppose it.

[Anonymous No.11672332]

>>11672312
Do you mean intentionality as in, living beings intent? Obviously we are proggramed to want certain things, and that will leads us to seek them.

>>11672324
It is derived from my empathy. Suffering is not objectively bad, but the fact that I have empathy makes me see it as bad.

[Anonymous No.11672334]

Everyone on /lit/ is such a beta male faggot with grandiose ideas

OP don't kill yourself or others, go lift some weights and kiss pretty girls

[Anonymous No.11672340]

>>11672334
Why? I don't want to find something to get addicted to, I just want to die. The easy way.

[Anonymous No.11672343]

>>11672283
So then the logical line of action would be to eradicate all life, right? Crazy because of the impossibility of doing so, and because of the great amount of suffering that would be inflicted, ironically in the name of ending suffering. The lion and the zebra are innocent players in a biological drama; you are an arrogant twat who thinks he knows better

[Anonymous No.11672351]

>>11672340
Because you're looking for evidence humans might not of found yet, we have no idea what discoveries we will make and you aren't willing to search hard enough.

You look around yourself and jump to conclusions based off little to no experience. You're looking for someone on an anime message board to give you a reason to live when you should be looking all throughout life for it, and maybe that is where you will find meaning.

I don't understand how someone can look at the Moon and stars at night and still want to kill themselves, you probably need to exercise and probably haven't ate a proper diet for years.
Get blood work done and see if you're even operating at 100% (normal vitamin levels and normal test range)

[Anonymous No.11672357]

>>11672343
>So then the logical line of action would be to eradicate all life, right?

Indeed. Though I think it is better to go a bit at a time, at least at the beggining.

>Crazy because of the impossibility of doing so
It is not impossible. We wiped out thousands of species without even trying. We can use a number of different methods to do it (diverging astroids to earth, atomis bombs, designing lethal viruses, nano-bot, poison and much more).

>and because of the great amount of suffering that would be inflicted

Have you ever took a vaccine? It hurts, but it prevents much greater suffering. So will be eradicting all life. One generation will suffer, but it will prevent the suffering of all future generations.

[Anonymous No.11672361]

>>11672351
I agree with you. I probably have fucked-up biochemistry that makes me depressed and suicidal. So what? That biochemistrey doesn't make me want to find meaning in my life, or to clean my room, it makes me want to kill myself, and that's what I will do.

[Anonymous No.11672375]

>>11672357
Man, shut up and think some more. You are to atheism what American evangelicals are to Christianity. Giving us all a bad name.

[Anonymous No.11672381]

>>11672361
I've been suicidal before and I'm very glad I never killed myself. You need to really give yourself a fighting chance because after all you are in a fight for your life.

You can come out of this better, you might not believe this now but you need to be open to it.You need to find ways to make steps in the right direction.
You aren't a ruined individual, you might be hurt but you can heal yourself. Get professional help, learn to dissolve your ego and what you think of yourself and than build your ego up as you gain confidence back.

Small steps anon in the right direction will take you very very far. I believe in you anon, you need to start believing in you.

[Anonymous No.11672388]

>>11672375
Believe me, I have thought of this subject so much that you can't surprise me.

Actually, don't believe me. Try to come up with an argument I can't answer. Find something I missed.

>>11672381
I don't appreciate this post. The decision is set in stone for me. You cannot make me change my mind. I would be much happier if you did what the thread requested you to do, debate. I don't want mental support.

[Anonymous No.11672404]

>>11672388
I am debating.

You need to experience life more before you make extremely finite decisions. How old are you anon?

[Anonymous No.11672409]

>>11672404
>You need to experience life more

Says who? The life addict? Why would I care what you think I should do? I am 18 now.

[Anonymous No.11672414]

>>11672332
I have empathy as well but do not universally see suffering as bad. The value judgment is made before empathy occurs. It seems as if you're just presupposing that suffering is bad.

[Anonymous No.11672415]

>>11672318
delusions of grandeur the post

[Anonymous No.11672416]

>>11672388
What I meant is that your conclusions are completely retarded

[Anonymous No.11672422]

>>11672375
>idealogue
Spooked

[Anonymous No.11672433]

>>11672414
>universally see suffering as bad
When is suffering not bad?
>The value judgment is made before empathy occurs
I don't think so. I see no reason as to why I would think the suffering of others is bad if I didn't have empathy.

>>11672416
And yet I think they derive from simply applied empathy to the world. Do you disagree? Do you see a hidden factor that will change the conclusion?

[Anonymous No.11672443]

>>11672409
>Why would I care what you think I should do?
Because this entire thread is about what other anons think because deep down you want to find a meaning

[Anonymous No.11672449]

>>11672332
No, the about-ness of consciousness. How can material systems be "about" anything?

[Anonymous No.11672450]

>>11672197
how do you deny your human will to life

[Anonymous No.11672452]

This entire thread

OP should definitely kill himself, and accompany him may those who try and offer mental support

[Anonymous No.11672463]

>>11672443
No, I just find it fun to defeat people in argument and brag about my superior mind.
>>11672449
The same way a computer proggramed to play chess is "about" chess. Do you see anything supernatural in that?

[Anonymous No.11672470]

>>11672197
Are you me?

[Anonymous No.11672474]

>>11672463
>No, I just find it fun to defeat people in argument and brag about my superior mind.
No, I don't think that's honest anon.
You've been pretty honest this far but I think you're gonna start lying more.

Can you define torture?

[Anonymous No.11672476]

>>11672463
>The same way a computer proggramed to play chess is "about" chess. Do you see anything supernatural in that?

Programming is not intentionality.

>No, I just find it fun to defeat people in argument and brag about my superior mind.

you're deluded.

[Anonymous No.11672485]

If you're depressed beyond the age of 25 you might as well kill yourself. It's improbable that you'll ever get out of your nihilistic circular reasoning. Something something blind to the truth.
>>11672318
>Why do you bother commenting?
You create a thread to debate yet you're too lazy to justify yourself?

[Anonymous No.11672530]

OP if you are reading this I'd love to pin you down and hold you until you felt safe and loved

Dont kys and have a great week

[Anonymous No.11672553]

>>11672474
Just extreme suffering, when suffering is defined as an expirience whose subject sees as bad, and when bad is defined as something you want less of.
>>11672485
I'd like to know why do you see my reasoning as circular.
>You create a thread to debate yet you're too lazy to justify yourself?
Justify myself to what? Did he provide an argument?
>>11672530
Very touching. I'd like that too :) But if you really had empathy for me, you will agree that it is better for me to be dead than to be alive and suffer.

[Anonymous No.11672560]

>>11672553
>expirience whose subject sees as bad,
And you're the one defining this?
How are you defining what is bad for them then?

[Anonymous No.11672565]

>>11672560
What do you mean how? Just the way I defined it.

[Anonymous No.11672583]

>>11672565
No, you didn't define anything. You said
>bad is defined as something you want less of.
So how do you know what that is?

[Anonymous No.11672589]

>>11672583
To be precise,
>suffering is defined as an experience you want less of.

If there is something you experienced and want less of, it is suffering.

[Anonymous No.11672593]

>>11672589
But that's easy if I'm defining that for myself, if you are the one defining it for others, how do you know what they should want less of

[Anonymous No.11672598,1]

you can still reply

[Anonymous No.11672598]

>>11672593
Oh, simply by comparing them with myself. I know about myself that when I suffer I scream or cry, so i'll know that when I see it in others they are most likely suffering.