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Just finished the first book. When does it get good?

>> No.11666732

>>11666729
Pretty much immediately. You must have missed it.

>> No.11666733

It doesn't.

>> No.11666734

>>11666729
If it didn't already, it never will.

>> No.11667285

I mean, it is not bad but I think I set my expectations too high then

>> No.11667536

>>11666729
>he unironically started with the Greeks
you got memed on kid

>> No.11667552

>>11667285
well you should say why you dont like it because my expectations are low for you

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11667604

>>11666729
>not understanding it immediately
never gonna make it, son

>> No.11667614

>>11666729
>Socrates and Pals: The Adventure of the Magic Ring
Why don't they rewrite this for a Young Adult audience?

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>>11666729
Tbh I didn't appreciate everything Plato was doing until the third read. He's operating on 3 levels:
>1:
The arguments taking place on the page.
>2:
The characterization of the interlocutors (e.g. Thrasymachus is portrayed as articulate but pigheaded, suggesting that he's a clever man whose ego has swelled to large, and this is the reason he holds his mistaken view of Justice).
>3:
The quasi-religious elements (the festival, the laurel crowns, and other subtle inclusions that lead up to the theory of the forms) that lie in the subtext.

Depending on how you read The Republic — with an analytic flavor, with a dramatist's flavor, or with a theological flavor — you'll look at levels 1, 2, and 3, respectively. But the real magic is seeing how they all connect. Argumentation is inseparable from character, character is inseparable from the spiritual, and the spiritual is inseparable from argumentation.

My final takeaway was less a particular set of theses than a kind of vast, religious wonder. But it took me 3 readings to get there.

>> No.11667917

>>11666732
>>11667604
>>11666734
>>11667614
what should i have grasped in the first book, then? that wow maybe justice is not something created by a political elite to subjugate the masses, that a just person is good and an unjust is bad and actually it is indeed the virtue of the soul?
I'm not saying it is bad but I want to know if it can be more exciting and where lies its peak.