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[Anonymous No.11657535]

Graduated college. Feel directionless. I have to live the rest of my life now, no more artificial hoops to jump through, no more delays. I should be excited, but instead I feel embalmed.

...books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.11657539]

>>11657535
I’m 22 and I’m a college drop out so you’re doing fine

[Anonymous No.11657546]

I'm 24 and never even went. Stop being a pussy op realize you have better opportunities than retards like me and fucking do something lord knows I should have earlier

[Anonymous No.11657553]

12 Rules for Power by Jordan Petersen

[Anonymous No.11658578]

>>11657535
Gravities Rainbow

[Anonymous No.11658740]

>>11657539
"Could be worse"
>>11657546
"Could be worse"
>>11657553
Meme
>>11658578
"Could be worse"

[Anonymous No.11658819]

>>11658740
I thought my suggestion was on point

[Anonymous No.11658830]

>>11658819
If you're the "stop being a pussy" commenter, while your comment is helpful in that it is actually associated with taking action and doing shit, my specific problem is a general doubt in the value of doing shit.

If you're the GR poster, at least your post came with a sense of humor, but it was no more helpful.

[Anonymous No.11658878]

>>11657535
Same. I’m soon to graduate too and I can’t picture getting myself a job for the next 40 years.

[Anonymous No.11658890]

>>11657535
After I insult you for being a non-relevant faggot whose existence does not matter in any way at all, I'm going to hide this thread, never knowing what your useless reply was, always getting in the last word.

[Anonymous No.11659026]

>>11658878
All of the people who live through marketed nerdism or through weed or through football or any such thing make a lot more sense now. Work, decompress, work, decompress. Intellectual writing outside of academia, especially in our post-polymath era of hyperspecialization, seems futile. Literary writing just as futile, art just as futile, God just as futile. Work, decompress, work, decompress.
>>11658890
Cute

[Anonymous No.11659059]

>>11658878
Don't worry, it's pretty difficult to get hired for one of those jobs, anyways.

[Anonymous No.11659078]

Get ready for a life of wageslave hell, you poor poor children

[Anonymous No.11659093]

>>11659026
I see people at my work who have been working and decompressing for their whole careers. The problem is that if you aren't actively pursueing a greater passion like writing, you'll find yourself slipping into the work decompress habit because it is the most comforting for a wageslave. Go home, eat food, drink alcohol, watch entertainment, occasionally go on a vacation to a beach resort in a miscellaneous carribean island, and let 40 years slip through your fingers. I want to get out of this monotomy as fast as possible.

[Anonymous No.11659101]

>>11659093
>I want to get out of this monotomy as fast as possible.
I think we both know the quickest way to do that.

[Anonymous No.11659186]

>>11659093
>I want to get out of this monotomy as fast as possible.
is there any way out of this??

[Anonymous No.11659224]

>>11659093
Is it any different if you put arduous, laborious effort into unsuccessful intellectual or aesthetic pursuits? Does my perspective really matter enough to be recorded? Or is it to be regarded as a kind of exercising: if I work hard on inept trash for a couple decades maybe then I'll be well-practiced enough to produce something worthwhile? It seems like a barren, hopeless lifestyle, but I'm not seeing any better alternatives. Half of the people from my graduating class who I keep in touch with largely spent the summer getting turnt every weekend at the very least, and maybe during the week too. That has no appeal to me, but scholarly pursuits strike me as no less sterile.
>>11659101
Part of my problem is that I have been reading too much about "the meaning of life," about various ethical systems and approaches to living and value prioritizations. To be thorough about it I feel compelled to look at the dark side of it, too, the Schopenhauer's etc. I disagree with depressive realism as a kind of school of thought united by nothing more than smart men arguing at length as to why the world is terrible and their depression is reasonable. But even if I disagree with them, the mere presence of such men makes it obvious that this is a complicated problem.

James and Burton both comment on the health problems associated with studying overmuch. Trying to approach a thorough understanding of how to live well has maybe made my life worse.

I don't know. I don't know.

I need to get back in the habit of working out.

[Anonymous No.11659250]

>>11659224
It's the act of writing itself that should be rewarding and worthwhile, not the outcome.

[Anonymous No.11659256]

>>11659186
It's not a pretty answer, but, Egoism.
As far as spending my free time, under the auspice of complete self indulgence has been the most rewarding (not neccessarily hedonism but more nulifying anything not directly enforced by you.)

[Anonymous No.11659263]

>>11657535
unironically get a job or make one (assuming you have a real skill)where you are largely non-disposable and find a suitable wife (lol good luck) and raise kids.

Or become a terrorist.

[Anonymous No.11659266]

What did you graduate with? Surely you didn't go to college to fuck around.

[Anonymous No.11659306]

>>11657535
I wanted to make a seperate thread, but this is close enough I suppose since I share some of OPs feelings. I'm 20, gone to college for 2 years already and don't feel like continuing, but I don't want to do this draining construction job for much longer either. My mom wants me to go to school more and do something with my mind, but I don't like the college experience as I've lived it so far and a high paying job isn't super important, just something with free time to read and do hobbies, and to get a house and raise a family with. What are some jobs that /lit/ posters do or are thinking of doing? I need some ideas.

[Anonymous No.11659361]

>>11659026
The problem isn't that you're wrong, it's just that it's as negative as possible. What do you think life is supposed to be besides labor, recreation, friendship, love, and family? Not everyone gets to be a star, not everyone is special, but everyone is important when they contribute to the well being of society through honest work.
Most jobs suck, some don't. If the task isn't too bad, it pays enough, it's useful to society, and you like the people you work with, you have nothing to complain about. Then the rest of the day is yours to do whatever shit makes you happy, be it mindless or intellectual. If you have friends/gf/family who you actually spending that time with, the recreation isn't boring but totally satisfying.
These "normie" things in life aren't out of an intelligent person's grasp, and are sufficient for eudaimonia. You sound like expect too much from life, and need to learn to be satisfied with less.

[Anonymous No.11659374]

>>11659266
communications with a minor in gender studies

[Anonymous No.11659381]

>>11659306
>free time
> just something with free time to read and do hobbies, and to get a house and raise a family with

lol pick one. All jobs in modernity are wage slave tier unless you get rich quick and somehow have the restraint to stop making money. even easy jobs still expect a 40+ hour work week.

[Anonymous No.11659399]

>>11659361
Modernity is disgusting and the faux productivity meme is inhumane. There is literally no good reason why something like a 24 hour or less work week isn't standard. People work too much and the work they do is largely unproductive race to the bottom shit.

[Anonymous No.11659425]

>>11659250
Discouraging, but that doesn't make me any less likely to pursue it. It's almost compulsive, which I suppose is the best way to go about it.
>>11659256
I understand basic egoism/hedonism, friend.
>>11659263
>>11659266
This is fair and probably true. I'd prefer not to say my field in the name of relative anonymity, but I do have job prospects and I am job hunting (after a couple months of delay for external reasons). My current feelings could just be a case of not being on a set routine. Hopefully work at least tires me out enough to dispel my generalized existential angst.
>>11659306
My thought process on preferred career is that it is best to attempt a middle path between working to live and living to work. I think that forced strenuousness and routine may be just as important as having free time to pursue personal interests. But what do I know?
>>11659361
I understand all of this but am currently in a state of malaise. That's the problem.
>>11659381
>>11659399
Discouraging, but I guess it's something to do.

[Anonymous No.11659430]

>>11659381
Getting up past six and getting off by five is much better than what I'm doing now. I'd just like to hear some actual jobs anons do that I can think about. There's plenty of jobs that people never hear about.

[Anonymous No.11659451]

>>11659425
I would also like something between bugman drone work and high stress, high intellectual work. I'm very interested in studying history, philosophy, art, want to read a lot, but I don't want to make any of those things my job exactly. It would be nice to pursue those at my interest seperately and just do welding or something.

[Anonymous No.11659488]

>25 starting a degree in lit + philosophy

Feel like i'm making a mistake in some ways

[Anonymous No.11659492]

Maybe try homesteading? of course you need a large investment of capital to start this in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11659545]

https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/06/03/tolstoy-confession/

[Anonymous No.11659585]

>>11659545
I've read all of this already, this is literally why I feel the way I do.

[Anonymous No.11659655]

>>11659399
>There is literally no good reason why something like a 24 hour or less work week isn't standard. People work too much and the work they do is largely unproductive race to the bottom shit.
I don't disagree. And there is something you can do about it: you can join or start a union. You won't get the hours down to 24 but you can get them down.
And either way, let's say you load trucks or drive trucks. That's useful to society. People need and want products; you've benefitted from the labor of truckers and truck loaders if you ever bought any products that were useful to you. Some jobs are pure bullshit, but I'd say the majority facilitate the production and circulation of useful things.
Workers are exploited in the process, no doubt. But work itself is essential to the well being of society, no doubt about it.

[Anonymous No.11659673]

I'm the same age and in the same position, though for me I have basically no career prospects whatsoever. Got a useless English degree since it was the only thing I could bear to study. I'm not good at anything marketable and I just can't even envision myself ever successfully integrating into normal society. Only thing that makes me feel at all fulfilled is playing and writing music but that's of course a dumb, childish pursuit that I can't help but feel embarrassed by. Just don't know where the fuck to go from here.

[Anonymous No.11659699]

My only aspiration in life is to be a polymath of sorts, primarily the arts.
At the moment I've been looking into security detail purely for pay but haven't found much luck in jobs with a lot of "down-time". Might end up working at a filling station or something part time, need to be able to write notes so driving jobs aren't as ideal.

[Anonymous No.11659802]

>>11659673
Civil service. Don't know about your country but all you need here is any degree. Public sector > private anyday

[Anonymous No.11659843]

>>11659802
You know I've actually thought about that. I'm an americlap so even though our bureaucracies are total shit shows it still seems like a pretty tangibly useful thing to do. Still don't know how to even get into that kinda stuff tho.

[Anonymous No.11659933]

Dunno if this may be helpfull to anyone but here's my experience: I got a masters degree in history and decided I would get another in applied economic sciences afterwards.

The reasons were the following:
1) I learned to work hard enough during the last couple of years and figured if I was smart enough to get this degree, then with some more work economics should be achievable (and it seems I was right, it's hard but doable)+at my uni you can get a second degree with a special program which takes one year less
2) An economics degree basically guarantees well-paid work in every major city (at least in my country) because consultants and banks are everywhere. This means that I can move wherever I want and find work (which played a major role in my decision)

So I guess I'm saying: If you're smart enough to get a humanities degree and you have a decent work ethic and you can motivate yourself, you can probably also go for a degree which gets you high pay afterwards.

[Anonymous No.11659943]

>>11659933
Jokes on you, I'm a consultant and want to get my lit degree

[Anonymous No.11659975]

>>11659361
>my life has meaning because I'm useful to society
STEMbugmen please begone

[Anonymous No.11659992]

>>11659488
The only mistake you made is not having started earlier

[Anonymous No.11659995]

>>11659992
I know, but i can't change that.

[Anonymous No.11660176]

>>11659943

It probably works in the other direction too anon
Also, why do you want the degree? You can study all this stuff for free in your spare time, just get a list of the courses and required reading

[Anonymous No.11660524]

27 (the horror). Thinking of packing it and digging a cave in the woods.

[Anonymous No.11660595]

24 and have a degree in international relations, worked a couple shit jobs so far and hated them all. Currently NEET. I want to do something masculine and a bit risky, where i feel as if I have a skill to develop and a purpose. Just “getting a job” from the first people to call me backed from linkedin sounds like a nightmare. I also dont wanna join the military like all the other failures i know.

[Anonymous No.11660627]

>>11660524
Kaczynski/Thoreau/Epicurusish retreat from society appeals to me too, but I think that globalism has ruined that dream. No matter where you go, you will most likely eventually be surrounded by suburban neighborhoods.
>>11660595
The military is honestly somewhat appealing to me.

[Anonymous No.11660695]

>>11660627
Only go military if youre gonna commit 100% and become a paratrooper or a navy seal or some shit.

[Anonymous No.11660969]

>>11659843
Spam job opportunities on indeed or whatever. Volunteer for community service once in a while.

[Anonymous No.11660982]

>>11660595
no fucking way this pic is real

[Anonymous No.11660984]

>>11657535
Watch The Graduate

[Anonymous No.11661006]

Why not work a shitty job for a few years, buy a house you like and maybe a nice car. Have both of them paid off.
Than work a easier job that you like to pay for your small expenses and than pursue something artistic or try to find meaning then?

Can someone tell me the flaws with this plan?

[Anonymous No.11661025]

>>11657535
The Savage Detectives by Roberto Bolano

It doesn't really address that feeling of transition you describe, but it does celebrate the beauty of all the small things in life.

[Anonymous No.11661057]

>>11659488
If you're starting this late, it means you're committed. You'll blaze through college and love it, I almost guarantee that.

I'm wrapping up my degree in Cognitive Science/Linguistics/Mathematics at 26, and it's been absolutely great. Not to mention the access to academic journals and research opportunities.

Hopefully you can continue with that degree when you wrap up your 4 year. (Or maybe I misunderstand this and you're actually in grad school already).

[Anonymous No.11661059]

>>11658830
Are you OP? If you don't see the value of "doing shit," then you may as well lay down and die right now. Life consists of little more than doing shit.

[Anonymous No.11661067]

>>11660982
There's no way that's hard to believe, right wingers have serious brain damage.

[Anonymous No.11661070]

>>11660524
I always envisioned this is how I'd spend my final years, and as time goes on the age I think I'm going to do it at gets younger and younger.

[Anonymous No.11661153]

>>11660176
>studying on your own is equivalent to university

Hate this meme

[Anonymous No.11661201]

>>11661153
Just wanted to say I agree with you.

There's an understandable bitterness associated with how expensive university is, and how that effectively gate-keeps the very important and rewarding process of learning, not to mention you actually get assessed on how well you understand the material which could foster more resentment. However, learning aided by experts and instructors, and having an assembled community of interested people, is an absolute boon to anybody invested in a subject. The experts don't work as hermits for a reason: there's a real benefit to being able to regularly mull over new ideas and theories with your peers, and to consult with them on unfamiliar subjects.

Also, even if you do want to learn things yourself, the reality is that universities have the best resources for that, too.

[Anonymous No.11661288]

>>11660984
Rewatch, but not a bad idea, thanks for the rec.
>>11661006
You could get hit by a car halfway into the shitty job. Indefinitely postponing joy/meaning to the future is not a good move, especially if you are not sure that what you plan to do in the future will actually be enjoyable or meaningful.
>>11661059
This is why I am seeking out new reasons to value doing shit other than the ones I am already aware of.

[Anonymous No.11661295]

>>11661288
it's not indefinitely postponing joy anon. It would take maybe 2-3 years and thats only working 40 hours a week.

I think the value in buy a cheap comfy house and having a paid off car would be that it puts you at ease enough to be able to pursue other things in full force and not have to worry about sustaining yourself

[Anonymous No.11661887]

>>11661295
I'm just saying that there's the risk of indefinite delay, and also that I am not worried so much about basic financial survival as I am about living out my life in general. I have finally exited the playpen and have to figure out where to go now.

[Anonymous No.11661950]

>>11661295
Sounds comfy for sure

[Anonymous No.11661962]

True fulfillment does not come from intellectual pursuits or reason but from total acceptance and love. To love yourself in the future, you must first love yourself in the present. Your virtues and your failings. Kindle the one and smother the other, yes, but love it all the same. Affirmation in life is not in some delusional pursuit of grandiosity, greatness, no. Sit down at the end of another blasted day and affirm it. That is affirmation.

[Anonymous No.11661975]

>>11659655
>I'd say the majority facilitate the production and circulation of useful things
you are literally seventeen

[Anonymous No.11662073]

Do MDMA. Now there's unequivocal fulfillment, an indisputable raison d'être. It's one of the only things that actually makes sense to me. I'll work for THAT, goddamn it; I'll suffer through the vicissitudes of life if I have a pot of MDMA gold at the end of the rainbow. Keeps me alive.

[Anonymous No.11662429]

>>11662073
I've consumed a wide variety of substances, most interestingly and notably and lifechangingly a multitude of psychedelics. Sorry, friend, but I'm not sold on MDMA as a meaning of life.

[Anonymous No.11662438]

>>11662429
Also, as an aside, I am in a far better mood than when I opened this thread, but I am interested in continuing the conversation as an intellectual pursuit.

[Anonymous No.11662572]

>>11657535
Hey OP, same position as you and I'm giving into absurdism with a healthy dose of intellectually fueled creativity.

My life's in check and all of my friends are having the same feel. We asked my friend how the first day of work was going and he just said "Life's pointless, isn't it?" To which we all laughed and agreed. To your point, specifically, I don't know if a book would do. In Search of Lost Time touches on the fabric of being being our memories, and I use that as my touchstone. It seems, and I'm not sure, but if we assume we're only capable of actually conceiving of units of time in terms of one day periods (we are), then activities, and apologies for grandeur of thought and broad strokes, my brain is fried, that require you to remember what you did yesterday in order to enjoy them, are the ones that are most fulfilling. I'd argue, memory is the point of life, and through stomping around memory and forcing yourself to create memories, you create a broader definition of you, and thus "bigger" life. Traveling does this, reading does this, being with friends and family does this. However, it seems that it's a trick that works for why hedonism is so bad at numbing boredom.

[Anonymous No.11662582]

>>11662572
to apend a little:
I think the fulfillment you're looking for is being trapped within the same logic gap that people have when trying to understand why science is valid. Science is truthful as long as we accept the precept that a self-referential system of knowledge can progenate knowledge, in the same way that life is fulfilling, as long as we believe that life only related to other life forms can be fulfilling. Don't fall for the trick of intelligence, being correct and logical is for the poor sob that doesnt want to fuck strangers, get drunk and stay out all night, doesn't want to hug people with free hug signs, doesn't hold the hand of their dying loved ones. We're all writ in water, swim a little.

[Anonymous No.11663157]

fags

[Anonymous No.11663179]

>>11659224
>Part of my problem is that I have been reading too much about "the meaning of life," about various ethical systems and approaches to living and value prioritizations. To be thorough about it I feel compelled to look at the dark side of it, too, the Schopenhauer's etc. I disagree with depressive realism as a kind of school of thought united by nothing more than smart men arguing at length as to why the world is terrible and their depression is reasonable. But even if I disagree with them, the mere presence of such men makes it obvious that this is a complicated problem.
i meant kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11663275]

if youre european, rent a cheap car, take money for fuel, drive to siberia, crash somewhere in the woods and seek help at some village. do it preferably at winter, so either you die out of freeze or come out as a strong man. there is no point of living as a weak so its a win-win situation

[Anonymous No.11663517]

>>11659488
WHats your story anon? I dropped out a few years ago from a degree in music, discovered philosophy and now I think the university might be the only place where I'll even come remotely close to living the life I have envisioned for myself, despite my past experiences.

[Anonymous No.11664120]

>>11663179
I'm well aware; kys

[Anonymous No.11664124]

every single Murakami novel

[Anonymous No.11664215]

>>11663275
"Being strong" means something different than having survival skills imo. Unless society collapses (and desu even if it does) you'll have no need for all the skills you picked up in the wilderness.

Learn to navigate your actual surroundings in an effective way. Social skills and business skills are what you actually need to be succesful ("""strong""") in our society.

[Anonymous No.11664231]

>>11664215
I'll just add an example to this: everybody thinks boy scouts and the military are losers, guess why.

[Anonymous No.11664792]

>>11664231
Jealousy that they can't stand up for freedom that they so enjoy

[Anonymous No.11664859]

>>11659488
>19 and doing the same thing
I thought I was coming in too late as well

[Anonymous No.11664903]

if on a winters night traveller

got nothing to do with what you said. just a nice story.

[Anonymous No.11665810]

Any UK cops here?

[Anonymous No.11665963]

Beware of any and all cults, OP. You're currently in a group that is statistically more likely to fall for one.

[Anonymous No.11666548]

>mfw people legitimately believe that diving into a soul crushing job and starting a pointless family for the sake of "contributing to the betterment of community" is the magic secret to fulfillment

are you fucking drones serious

[Anonymous No.11666673]

>>11666548
Yes, sitting in your room solitary reading books about other people experiencing life is truly the path to fufillment.

You are all on /lit/ and complaining about being unhappy. A radical thought: try not being /lit/.

[Anonymous No.11666693]

>>11657535
The problem is that you should have always viewed your life as there were no artificial hoops or delays, at any time you could have pushed harder for your dreams at any time. You have so much potential, so live it and realize it.

For books, I'd recommend As A Man Thinketh by James Allen.

[Anonymous No.11666726]

>>11666673
OP here: somehow this late-twenties, early-thirties looking 37 year old I met at Barnes & Noble and hit on two or three weeks ago is reaching out to me with "haha" and ":)" speckled texts. I think I'm going to go for it. Part of me, though, wants to ask her what the fuck she thinks she's doing even establishing a friendship with some guy 15 years younger than her and fresh out of college however well spoken he may be. But it's also gratifying being romanticized by somebody so much older than me, and I still haven't slept with anyone older than college age.

[Anonymous No.11666739]

>>11666726
(Maybe I'm bipolar? Like a quarter or a third of the people I've slept with were bipolar.)

[Anonymous No.11666798]

>>11666726
nice

[Anonymous No.11666866]

>>11666726
Get in there dog and then get out, you are too young to be dealing with all the baggage and stress that comes with middle aged punani.

[Anonymous No.11666900]

>>11666693
Thanks for the book rec.

[Anonymous No.11666902]

>>11664120
I'm not the one feelsposting on 4chan

[Anonymous No.11666973]

>>11666902
It appears to have a popular appeal, faggot

[Anonymous No.11667122]

>>11661295
Where the fuck do you live that you can buy a house (nevermind how small) and a car by working a shitty job for 3 years? You either live in the middle of fucking nowhere (and in that case, good luck finding even a shitty job) or you're just larping.

[Anonymous No.11667148]

>>11659361
this is such a self own, you have no idea how much of a midwit you are, idc what your major or profession is you could be a quantum physicist for all i care; 60 hours at a law firm, then a few dozen with a cheating gf, tv and my slobbering dogs is not enough. Why are they hungry? more than ever remember, and they remember the brightest of memories now. You won’t dull their senses, no one can unlearn to be curious or to be hungry for a beautiful death. Carnage and tumult are coming

[Anonymous No.11667193]

how do i get hired by a publishing company? i just want to work around books, maybe be an editor

[Anonymous No.11667203]

Just do whatever for a few years then get married and have some kids. Being a kid is the only thing that's actually good and you can enjoy that again though vicariously. Everything else is complete bullshit as far as I can tell except for books and music which are also good.

[Anonymous No.11667215]

>>11667193
be gay and jewish or lesbian and black and jewish or just jewish, but being gay if not jewish of a woman is definitely required. suck cock and take poppers and do mdma to prepare for the role. also be ok with gay people gushing over 15 year old boy pussy they had the weekend before with their boyfriend(s) and enjoy the smell of obese women and nigger chatter, also be a kike and gay, remmeber just being a kike and a faggot is enough

[Anonymous No.11667235]

>>11657535
The Catcher in the Rye

[Anonymous No.11667276]

>>11667148
Nigga you mentally ill

[Anonymous No.11667279]

>>11667193
It's a big help to live in the New York area because the industry is massively concentrated there

[Anonymous No.11667281]

>>11667215
tfw jewish

[Anonymous No.11667289]

>>11667276
No, not in the least.
>>11667281
Me too, but half and also handsome

[Anonymous No.11668426]

[Anonymous No.11668463]

>>11667215
>get a temp job at a publishing company
>not getting any 15 year old boipussi whatsoever
What am I doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.11668737]

>>11659361
OP, if you hold any of these world-views or plan to except them, just kill yourself straight away. This is a protestant, depraved, sick piece of shit telling you to be good monkey. When you spot scum like this, hit them real good.

[Anonymous No.11668746]

>>11659361
>labor, recreation, friendship, love, and family
>well being of society
>honest work

Behold, the last man.
Depraved Angloniggerdom on it's last legs, copulating with the Capitalism Bugmanism in the end of time.

[Anonymous No.11668820]

Go through more hoops and take the LSAT for law school (I recommend you study for it though)

[Anonymous No.11668839]

>>11659488
>wrapping up my double major in lit and philo at 21

by the time you're done you'll hate /lit/

[Anonymous No.11668917]

25, graduated college. I didn't do anything in a year except reading like a mad man and thinking about a novel I haven't started yet. I have a law degree, I hate law, I hate lawyers and I have absolutely no interest in having a law related job, or any job for that matter, as I realized that I don't care either about social status and money I wouldn't be able to spend. I'm thinking about becoming some kind of a lighthouse keeper, where I'll spend my life watching the sea and reading books, in a noiseless place where the world would leave me the fuck alone and I wouldn't have to look back

[Anonymous No.11669019]

>>11668917
Which country do you live in?

[Anonymous No.11669030]

>>11669019
France, it's irrelevant though

[Anonymous No.11669281]

>>11668917
>I didn't do anything in a year except reading like a mad man and thinking about a novel I haven't started yet.
This is mostly what I've been doing so far

[Anonymous No.11669374]

>>11668917
Can you tell me some more about your experience studying Law? I'm similar to you in the sense that I spend most of my time reading, and dream of writing my own novel. I'll be starting university next year, studying Law as well. It seems like an interesting topic to learn about, and even though I'd rather die than become a lawyer, there's surely more things you can do with such a degree.

[Anonymous No.11669447]

these threads make me feel like even more of a loser for choosing to drop out of life after highschool rather than going to college, graduating, and then dropping out

[Anonymous No.11669469]

>>11669447
i know what you mean

[Anonymous No.11669473]

>>11668746
First man, last man, and every man in between.

[Anonymous No.11669475]

>>11669447
i feel the same way but with grad school, i guess everyone wishes they had dropped out after one more level

[Anonymous No.11669478]

>>11668746
Keep telling yourself you're the supermen while your sister tends to your barely breathing body after your inevitable mental breakdown.

[Anonymous No.11669501]

>>11669374
There's not much I can say about that, I went to law school because I was told it would lead me anywhere I wanted but I have found that it's nowhere to be true and that I didn't want to go anywhere anyway. Law itself brought me nothing intellectually speaking, I was alarmed last year when I found out that I actually didn't know anything when I'm supposed to be educated. I looked at my peers and I was disgusted, have you ever had a discussion with a lawyer? They cannot talk of anything other than law because they do not know anything other than that, even their knowledge in other fields they got it through a lawyer lense. When you are discussing about something tangible, they'll always take up a smug attitude and say "yeah well the law says this and that", they give so much importance to drivel like constitutional matters not because they are ethically motivated but because they are obsessed with the form of it and if you push them to justify themselves they'll end up mentioning reason and natural rights but again as things that are posited to exist and that should be blindly accepted like regular law. All in all it's a bunch of words and fantasies that will never add anything to the understanding, really feels like listening to a bunch of monks in the Sorbonne in the middle age, feels like scholasticism in a way. Of course I'm not including all lawyers in that but you get the gist of it, still it's not because I wasted my life studying law that I want to drop everything. In a way I guess that I can find relations between why I am not comfortable with the current society and what I hate about law, all that obsession about images, forms, simulacras..
I could work in something else than law sure, but most jobs would be working in an administration and that's a fate worse than death.

[Anonymous No.11669543]

>>11669501
Every lawyer I met at uni was in ruthless competition with everyone on their course. None of them had actual friends in law and were constantly comparing themselves to other lawyers who did/didn't have contracts. I've not met many happy ones.

[Anonymous No.11669560]

>>11669501
You sound like Hume. He dropped out of his law degree because he said it was "a laborious occupation, requiring the drudgery of a whole life to finish it, and incompatible with every other study or profession."

[Anonymous No.11669573]

>>11669501
Interesting post, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.11669579]

>>11669543
It was somewhat true for my business law degree, I guess it's even worse in the US and the UK where law has become another part of business activities while in France it has still that kind of immuable, venerable, aspect that makes it a thing of its own rather than a tool to an end

[Anonymous No.11669591]

i'm 25 and still haven't gone to college or started working. also a virgin.

[Anonymous No.11669611]

>>11662582
This is good and you should appreciate me

[Anonymous No.11669618]

>>11669591
phew, my life is completely ridiculous but at least i'm not that guy!

[Anonymous No.11669623]

>>11669591
Hahaha point at him and laugh

[Anonymous No.11669650]

>>11669618
>>11669623
5 years until wizardry tho

[Anonymous No.11669731]

>tfw finishing English degree and realised it's pure shit

>>11668917
> I'm thinking about becoming some kind of a lighthouse keeper
Me too, my man.
I'm a bit clueless about it though, anyone know what kind of positions are similar to this?

[Anonymous No.11669750]

>>11669731
>The work objects of the katatonoid professions are the reproductive and abstract sciences: logic, maths, physics, aesthetics, geography, grammar, and so on; the work circumstances are closed spaces, classrooms, archives, libraries, "ivory towers," monasteries; the sensory perceptions are turned off; work instruments are books; professional activities are writing, reading.[22]

>Jobs of the schizoform, katatonoid, drive striving k+: pedagogue, soldier, engineer, professor (mainly linguist, or professor of logic, mathematics, physics, philosophy, social sciences). Personality traits found in this group are aristocratic exclusivity, eccletic friendship choices, systematizate, schematize, rigid formalism.[24]

>Jobs of the schizoform: aesthetician, art critic; accountant, lower officer, cartographer, technical drafter, graphic designer; postal worker, telegraph operator; printer; farmer, forester; lighthouse keeper, security guard; model. Personality traits found in this group are pedantry, accuracy, exemplarity; lack of humor, taciturnity, brusqueness; phlegm, callousness, calm; hypersensitivity; obstinacy, stubbornness; Inability to debate, self-consciousness; narrow-mindedness, bigotry; compulsiveness, automation, mannerisms; Feeling of omnipotence, autism; inability to be absorbed in the other (auto psychological resonance); taciturnity, immobility, all-having.[24]

[Anonymous No.11669955]

>>11669750
I was rather asking for concrete specific examples, but that's really interesting

[Anonymous No.11669978]

>>11668917
Fuck are you me? I'm gonna get my law degree soon and idk what to do with my life. I don't really like it, my last two year was harder for lack of motivation to continue. I'm thinking of postulate to the diplomatic academy of my country or find other thing. I dont' wanna work +45 hours in some law field with shitty enviroment and see how my life past away.

Good luck for you French man

[Anonymous No.11670138]

>>11662572
>>11662582
>>11669611
I essentially ignored your post because it sounds to me like your worldview is sustained solely by living where you grew up and being surrounded by comfyness. You mention accepting the absurd in the same breath that you discuss getting drinks with friends and trying to fuck strangers without realizing that your "absurd" is not really absurd at all, it is a situation of good feeling drawing you away from bad feeling. You and I have the same overall understanding of things, but you ignore your understanding because you are comfy, and due to this comfyness you put yourself at risk of wasting your life away in fruitless pursuits. It only looks like the absurd because you do not realize that your good feeling exists specifically in connection to your current external circumstances; you think that you have "absurdly" chosen to be happy despite an intellectual understanding of nihilism when really you have good reason to be happy. The thing is, you may not always have good reason to be happy. I personally am willing to confront this situation in a bid for greater resilience and satisfaction later in life; additionally, I currently have less reason for good feeling than you do, isolated as I am by external factors outside my control, and this is not complaint or envy or whinging, as I am interested in good feeling and am pursuing in and am making efforts to build the life circumstances necessary for it, but I also understand that the happiness you are suggesting is built on sand, and while I am in this position of re-orienting and re-establishing myself and my life I aspire to find a more solid foundation to build upon.

[Anonymous No.11670290]

>>11669731
Look up at navy jobs, what I was talking about isn't exactly lighthouse keeper but you are still alone watching the sea in the middle of nowhere, minus the light

[Anonymous No.11670300]

>>11670290
ya but i heard its hard to wack off in the navy

[Anonymous No.11670336]

>>11670300
Thats what the other dudes in the navy are for.

[Anonymous No.11670577]

>>11659078
are you daddy

[Anonymous No.11670778]

>>11670138
If you're looking for a happiness that is based in idealism, then you're looking for a satisfaction that is from the idea of satisfaction itself; that's called religion.

I move around extensively and my friends have undergone a diaspora. Getting drinks is not with friends, I've gone out to bars by myself more times than I can count to meet strangers and befriend them. In regards to fruitless, you're implying that there is a pursuit that bears fruit which is dependent on a system of value, a system of value on pleasure. The happiness I am suggesting is the happiness, which we're all pursuing, is realistically the happiness that best converges with contemporary's society's best attempts at finding methods to feel fulfilled -or chilled to the swarths of unending boredom. Additionally, satisfaction resting on SES stature and good healthy relationships is pretty fundamental across all happiness studies, a minimum is required, and you concede the necessity. Additionally, you conflated arguments, I know countless individuals that are depressed for no reason -I was once in their ranks-, my argument is that Nihilism is an intellectual rut that is not freed by physical comforts or ephemera or flitting about in books while getting a cushy $60k salary, as most of my friends have throughly indugled in that avec ou sans books, but rather an actual intellectual turn is necessary within the trappings of moderately high SES to be fulfilled.

In regards to a manner of cogitation that will serendipitously end you on the other side of misery when the world is unfairly slated, that's more easily answered in interconnectedness and quieting of mind and time, or spiritual mumbo jumbo.

[Anonymous No.11671024]

This thread is actually kind of terrifying as someone going into their first year doing humanities. At least my school is Ivy League

[Anonymous No.11671046]

>>11671024
have fun in consulting fuck face <3, I'll see you in 4 years

[Anonymous No.11671047]

>>11671024
Hmmm an irrelevant humblebrag. Thanks for sharing!

[Anonymous No.11671083]

>>11671046
Right. At least I have a bit of time to figure my shit out, since I'm already doubting the whole thing

[Anonymous No.11671098]

If you have the means i say pack up shop and pick somewhere else to live. If you do not have the means find simple work and live cheaply until you can move. I dropped out of college twice (thinking maybe my family members were right and college was a good idea for me... lol) only to move 2000 miles to a place i had never been before, had no family or friends

Getting yourself out of your psychological rut is key. If you sit at home and waste away wishing you had motivation it will never come to you

Just let go, go. See where it takes you

[Anonymous No.11671108]

>>11671098
This and it allows you to see what about you is culture. Culture can be toxic if you don't realize what is you and what is cultural. Also, check out manual labor electrician works. Companies will pay to train you and if you have an IQ above 115 you'll be a manager in fucking seconds

[Anonymous No.11671140]

>>11669591
this but 19
HOW DO I STOP THIS DECENT INTO HELL

[Anonymous No.11671144]

>>11671140
Go to college or start working. Pretty simple mate

[Anonymous No.11671172]

>>11670778
I'm aware of all of this and will probably ultimately have to make do with it, but can you begrudge me for looking for something better? You may as well tell a dog not to dig for bones.

[Anonymous No.11671184]

>>11662073
I like this guy

[Anonymous No.11671316]

>>11671172
Of course not. I like you anon

[Anonymous No.11671415]

>>11671083
You'll be okay bb

[Anonymous No.11671838]

>>11671083
eat shit and die

[OP No.11671956]

>>11660176
like this >>11661201 anon said, i want to be taught how to learn better, but it's also to be around people that like the same things i do. none of my friends read seriously like i do.

[Anonymous No.11672020]

>>11671956
I just want to find somebody who'll play Go with

[Anonymous No.11672030]

>>11657535

[Anonymous No.11672181]

I'm also 22 and just graduated English lit and now I'm back at my parents house jobless and friendless and staying in bed all day. I have a little bit of money from summer work but no idea what to do with it.

I've been thinking about sublimating my suicidal tendencies into some extended bender or gambling binge but I'll probably never find the balls to actually do it.

[Anonymous No.11672303]

>>11672181
I'm a year older and have been a neet after doing the same and frankly, I just see my future as focusing on my fitness and personal research, every investment in people and places usually leads me to inevitable dissapointment, not really regret just a realization that I'd rather be at home reading. It's not so bad though, I feel like the gauze has been lifted on expectations for the future, maybe I'm rationalizing it, but after a while it's the only life that makes sense, not exactly a bright idea for a pseudo-luddite to be on here but hey, work in progress. Get your own place and cut out everything you don't like and re-build.

[Anonymous No.11672329]

>>11672303
>>11672181
Hey guys, I don't know if you know about these but please look into union work, e.g. electrician and construction as well as something called technical sales. The pay is good and all you need is some level of grit

[Anonymous No.11672348]

>>11672329
Thanks for the tip, I'll look into those, is that the kind of thing you go to a trade school for, I'd much prefer a job that I could read on the job (like a security shift etc.) but that does sound appealing, isn't being around those maintenance sites quite bad for your health though (can't suppose I'm that bothered but I have a comical image of walking away from a job like that with fried testicles or something).

[Anonymous No.11672608]

>>11672348
Eletricians have it the best, make sure you find a union position and a lot of companies will pay you to learn

[Anonymous No.11672685]

>>11672181
>sublimating my suicidal tendencies into some extended bender
This doesn't really work as well as you'd hope unfortunately, you just end up in another rut with the addition of substance issues