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[Anonymous No.11644838]

>The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.

John 6:52-58

What do Protestants think of this?

[Anonymous No.11644839]

>What do Protestants think
About welfare checks

[Anonymous No.11644843]

do u think christianity will be banned for hate speech in our lifetime? it seems like that's the end game

[Anonymous No.11644856]

>>11644843
It will probably be made illegal to teach Christianity to your children. Child baptism will be banned, resulting in the loss of many souls to limbo. Adults will probably be allowed to practice in private for a while yet.

[Anonymous No.11644885]

>>11644856
>>11644843
This is a defeatist mentality. If you were Muslims you would be more empowered

[Anonymous No.11644926]

>>11644843
Yep sure thing better get to slaying them liberals.

[Anonymous No.11645064]

>>11644838
He's talking about his doctrine over all others

T. Presbytarian

[Anonymous No.11645066]

>>11644838

>"Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."
>"I have no taste for the food that perishes nor for the pleasures of this life. I want the Bread of God which is the Flesh of Christ, who was the seed of David; and for drink I desire His Blood which is love that cannot be destroyed."

Ignatius of Antioch 80-110AD

This is from the bishop of Antioch; the cradle of Christianity. The practices of this bishop are sure to have been in line with that of the Apostles. I don't understand how protestants can say that the eucharist wasnt the intention of Jesus.

[Anonymous No.11645095]

>>11644838
>>11645066
read Emerson "essay" on this
Protties are truly grade A ignoramuses

[Anonymous No.11645109]

Any Church that doesn't believe in the Real Presence is not truly Christian. We can quibble over the exact metaphysical explanation for "how" it happens, or what's involved, all we want. But all the real, big-boy Churches are united in their belief that it is the literal Body and Blood of Christ you eat every Sunday.

[Anonymous No.11645116]

>>11644838
Dude!
God never changes his word dude. Wtf are you some heathan "papist".
The old covenant still stands! The Jews will always be his chosen people. They don't need saves.
God bless Israel.

As a protestant, I'm incapable of analyzing more than one small sentence at a time. Sometimes not even that if a verse is in between.
I'm pretty sure after the comma, a new verse begins so this whole story doesn't matter.
God bless. Amen.
See the story of Abraham and John 314. I DO NOT WELCOME CRITICISM OF THIS POST. JUDGE IT AND BE JUDGED. THE WORD OF GOD AND MY PASTER ARE RIGHT.

[Anonymous No.11645134]

>>11644838
Yet another schism-bait thread brought to you by probable atheists.

[Anonymous No.11645138]

>>11645064
So, "eat my flesh and drink my blood," is simply a hyperbolic metaphor for belief? Interesting.

[Anonymous No.11645150]

>>11645064
>t. Presbyterian
that's the equivalent of saying
>I think xyz about colours
>t. blind person

[Anonymous No.11645152]

We are going to take a look at the Bread of Life Discourse from John 6. In my opinion, this is one of the most profound moments in Christ’s life; given He speaks in parables to relate to all and to conceal Himself, John 6 provides one of Christ’s most explicit discourses in His life; He couldn’t be any clearer. In light of the Last Supper’s bread and wine being the body and blood of Christ, John 6 will reveal whether Christ was being literal or metaphorical.

So, in the middle of John 6, the Bread of Life Discourse, Christ first starts off by saying He is the Bread of Life, the Bread that came down from Heaven.
>“I am the bread of life,” (35).
>“I am the bread of life,” (48).
>“I am the living bread that came down from heaven,” (51).

Upon the first utterance, the Jews were skeptical of Jesus saying this. They heard a literal statement from Christ and countered with “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”


Given Christ reaffirming His identity as the Bread of Life to the dismayed Jews, He tells them to eat His flesh.

>“the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh,” (51).
>“Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you,” (53)
>“Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life,” (54).
>“my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink,” (55)
>“Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them,” (56).
>“whoever eats me will live because of me,” (57)

After Jesus first tells the Jews that the Bread of Life is His flesh, the Jews immediately backlash and said,
>“How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” (52).
Once they said this, Christ reaffirms that the veracity of the Bread of Life being His flesh five times over.
>literally five more times
At no point does He ever clarify Himself as being metaphorically. He consistently says that bread is His flesh, knowing full well that the Jews were offended by His explicit statements.

>1/2

[Anonymous No.11645161]

>>11645152

After reaffirming that His flesh is true food and His blood true drink so many times, the Jews said,
>“This teaching is difficult; who can accept it?” (60).
And Jesus does not reply with “You got it, wrong.” He goes on to say,
>“Does this offend you?” (61).
After His many reaffirmations and His lack of allusion to metaphorical meaning, Jesus Christ lets thousands of people walk away from Him.
>at least 10,000 people leave (there were 5000 present, and that did not even include women and children)
The masses who experiences His loaves and fish miracle left and so did his many followers. Christ even invites the twelve to depart from Him; this is how serious and literal Christ is about this teaching. He let thousands of people leave Him and invites the twelve to leave to. And they didn’t leave because of a metaphor.

I will add a comment about verse 58,
>“This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.”

In the Septuagint Greek translation, the Koiné Greek uses two different verbs for eat, “phagos” and “trogos.” Phagos means to eat implying eating at a dinner table, filling a carnal appetite and it is typically used to refer to a singular event in the past. Trogos means to chew, gnaw, focusing on the slow process of consumption and is only used in the present tense, indicating a continual event, continual action.

Phagos is used in reference to the ancestors who ate the manna, but died. Trogos is used in reference to the Bread of Life that Jesus says is His flesh, the bread that will give man eternal life.

So, is Christ being metaphorical when He says to eat His flesh and drink His blood? Hardly. Is He merely using symbols of true food and true drink? Hardly. Upon hearing the backlash of the masses, Christ does not double down, but sextuple downs. The Jews took His speech literally and Christ never indicates that He was speaking in metaphor. He even uses such explicitness when describing eating His body. Jesus Christ in no way was being metaphorical about eating His flesh and drinking His blood. He was literal, blatant, and explicit. So, when Christ says “this is my Body… This is my Blood,” He is not being metaphorical.

>2/2

[Anonymous No.11645172]

>>11645152
>>11645161
I adore you

[Anonymous No.11645190]

>>11645172
I took the time out one day to do this a while ago. Like if someone still doesn't buy it. Only prayer will suffice, cuz reasoning apparently doesn't.

[Anonymous No.11645222]

>>11645152
>>11645161
Another thing that isn't specific to John 6, but is connect to Christ being the Bread of Life that came down from Heaven.

>Jesus says He is the Bread of Life that came down from Heaven.
>Christ was born in Bethlehem. Bethlehem translates to "house of bread."
So, Jesus Christ, the Bread of Life, came down from Heaven to the "house of bread."
>He was placed in a manger. A manger is where sheep eat.
We are Christ's flock of sheep that are the eat from the manger where the Bread of Life is.
>Manger in French means "to eat."
We eat the Bread of Life that is Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.11645260]

>>11644838
can't prune or delete thread

this is about a book bish

[Anonymous No.11645475]

>>11644926
He says while posting a dude who's actually being censored for hate speech.
>hurrrrrrr but google private company hurrrr
All these major tech companies get government grants. They suck up tax dollars like a sponge. They are not private companies, they are public-private partnerships and they work closely with the government. Look at how Facebook lets Germany cuck the shit out of them and is happy to bend over for it.

[Anonymous No.11645509]

>>11644843
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7668448/Christian-preacher-arrested-for-saying-homosexuality-is-a-sin.html
But for the most part they have already resigned themselves. There are openly atheist pastors and even some creating genderqueer theology in which Christ was the first Xyr.
Xrystianity, I guess?

[Anonymous No.11645560]

>>11645509
Britain is the most shamelessly cucked country I could ever imagine. Sweden is pretty bad, but Britain just makes my skin crawl.

[Anonymous No.11645562]

>>11644838
By reading the entire chapter up to that point and not just those verses.

[Anonymous No.11645692]

>>11645562

>>11645152
>>11645161
lol

[Anonymous No.11645705]

wanna bet when history goes full circle and christians are being persecuted in rome again christ gonna come back

[Anonymous No.11645804]

>>11645705
you're so deluded

[Anonymous No.11645874]

>>11645475
your point being?

[Anonymous No.11646493]

>>11645152
>>11645161
>>11645222
Amen, Amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life within you.

[Anonymous No.11646500]

>>11645475
Its private company but if they say something politically incorrect they will make some mental gymnastics how everyone should abide by their moral laws and get bankrupted by those above. Liberals care about laws and morality only when it works for them.

[Anonymous No.11646506]

>>11646493
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.

[Anonymous No.11646520]

>>11646506
And now everybody knows why serious Catholics hate Amoris Laetitia.

[Anonymous No.11646708]

>>11645161
>Upon hearing the backlash of the masses, Christ does not double down, but sextuple downs
This. Reading it and imagining it happening in real time, with the crowd jeering and reacting, it's plain as day. He drove them all away and just kept repeating and reinforcing the central point, he never once clarified that it meant something else than what the crowd assumed and it's precisely that the crowd assumed correctly that they were so offended.

[Anonymous No.11646758]

>>11644838
>Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
Sounds like the Jews are/were cannibals but that Jesus is preaching another type of cannibalism.

[Anonymous No.11646771]

>>11646758
Jews have a long history of drinking the blood of non-jewish children, which is one of the many reasons the sick fucks have been unwelcomed by host nations.

[Anonymous No.11647802]

bump

[Anonymous No.11647960]

if the protties had any balls they would just say it's a catholic interpolation, but they don't

[Anonymous No.11648097]

>>11644843
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

There is more free speech than ever, change my mind. You just get annoyed when SJWs wag their finger at you for screaming niggerfaggotkike and wish you could return to an era where you could lynch them for admonishing you.

And no, the private sector should not be bound to keep you as a customer/employee/whatever even though you like screaming niggerfaggotkike. That's not the state controlling your speech, that's private individuals choosing to disassociate with you.

[Anonymous No.11648113]

>>11644838
>poo poo
>pee pee
>i like tendies in my tummy
>poo poo
>pee pee
>i think tendies be real yummy

Me 1:1

What do Protestants think of this?

[Anonymous No.11648128]

>>11646771
people who hate jews and wish to kill them have a long history of starting rumors about jews being mosquito men and well poisoners