/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.11643333]

Sword and Sorcery Edition
>how do you feel about the genre?
>what was your favorite S&S series?
>what was last book you read with a S&S setting?

FANTASY
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
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[Anonymous No.11643372]

https://www.wuxiaworld.com/novel/martial-god-asura
>Martial God Asura (修罗武神 Xiu Luo Wu Shen) is an ongoing Chinese web novel by “Kindhearted Bee” (善良的蜜蜂 Shan Liang de Mi Feng) with 2900+ chapters.
i'm gonna read this

[Anonymous No.11643383]

Thoughts on John C. Wright?

[Anonymous No.11643395]

>>11643333
>how do you feel about the genre?
Love it. My favorite.
>what was your favorite S&S series?
Conan, though only by a hair. Moorcock, Lieber, and C.L. Moore each have added a lot to the genre as well.
>what was last book you read with a S&S setting?
If my own doesn't count, probably Hour of the Dragon.

[Anonymous No.11643401]

How do you feel about female knights in fiction?

[Anonymous No.11643406]

>>11643383
None, really.

[Anonymous No.11643422]

One week left! Downloads can be found in the sticky.

>>11643333
Checked.

[Anonymous No.11643430]

>>11643401
Most authors aren't able to write proper knights, even less are able to write women. The combination is perilous to the extreme.

[Anonymous No.11643443]

>>11643333
>how do you feel about the genre?
Bloated by worthless stories and authors. Read mostly by absolute idiots. Great entertainment when well executed.
>what was your favorite S&S series?
Conan by Howard.
>what was last book you read with a S&S setting?
A Conan collection, Red Nails was the last story. Next, regarding S&S, I'll probably read some C.L Moore.

[Anonymous No.11643444]

>>11643401
I'm cool, provided they're rare and hide their gender. You can go on about diversity and gender equality, or about how women would be weaker than men or whatever, but at the end of the day it's just really boring when like fifty percent of armed forces is women and nobody thinks about it any.

Have a woman want to join the army but everyone tells her she can't. Have her disguise herself as a man to get in. Have her get into tense situations where her disguise is threatened or compromised. Have her train hard and push herself through her limits in order to be taken seriously, to the point where she could match most men in battle out of sheer determination alone. Ultimately, have her prove herself as a capable warrior and a great hero, earn the respect of everyone around her, and (optionally) save the day.

There's so much drama in there! So much tension, so many hooks, so many things going on. You should take advantage of them, instead of just having everyone go "Okay, you're in, have fun", and have her be just as good as the rest from the beginning and no one giving a shit - just taking all that cool stuff and flushing it down the toilet because "muh misogyny" or whatever.

It could be great, but it rarely is nowadays. Alas.

[Anonymous No.11643458]

>>11643401
It's a great way to explore females in a male dominated field but is mostly used to masturbate over muh girl power. However very few authors manage to execute it in a satisfying way. How GRRM wrote Brienne is probably his greatest accomplishment aside from living to his age considering his body weight and the best part of ASoIaF.

[Anonymous No.11643465]

>>11643383
Writes like a dino. In 2018. Just who does he think he is?

[Anonymous No.11643518]

>>11643372
once you get to 4 digits chapter it's better to skim it

[Anonymous No.11643524]

>>11643333
Not a book but relevant to the OP image, but I unironically enjoyed Fire and Ice.

[Anonymous No.11643526]

>>11643524
Fire and Ice was amazing.

Any other really good S&S films?

[Anonymous No.11643550]

>>11643526
Aside from Fire and Ice which I also loved and the classic 1982 Conan I really can't think of any others that stand out. If you like Howard stuff then perhaps that 2009 Solomon Kane movie? Though reception to that seems a bit mixed. I think Kull and Red Sonja also got films, but I've never seen them.

[Anonymous No.11643748]

[Anonymous No.11644016]

>>11643401
Women pretending to be men (like all modern feminism is.)
If the author isn't being serious, then I imagine their either portrayed as fap-bait or qt.14 wife material.

[Donkey !HOTAY/zB0Y No.11644019]

>>11643550
I have watched "Red Sonya", it's not good, worse than "Conan the Destroyer" although I'm probably biased because Olivia d'Abo. Haven't heard of "Fire and Ice"; will check it out.

[Anonymous No.11644323]

what does /sffg/ prefer in their capeshit?

>superpowers ironically end up making personal problems worse instead of better
>superpowers make it possible for those who get them to achieve their dreams with ease but victory is hollow unless it is earned

[Anonymous No.11644335]

>>11644323
Both are nice, though I tend to prefer the latter.

[Anonymous No.11644421]

>>11644335
i had a number of ideas for this with the intention that by the end all the surviving characters would win their victory through hard work


>Klepto has a goal of being the thief with the world's stickiest fingers. He becomes magnetized
>Girl who wants to one day explore the distant reaches of space gets clarivoyance, but wanted to be an astronaut
>steampunk nerd who dreams of being the world's greatest watchmaker becomes an analogue technopath whose clockwork can even rewind time, but his hard-earned skills are irrelevant
>brawney prizefighter bitch wants to an unstoppable force, and immovable object: she gets mass alteration (im yet undecided whether dies or knightfalls a sasquatch)

[Anonymous No.11644660]

>>11643401
It's dumb, especially when it's played seriously. Unless she's some half breed or an Amazon with super strength then I'm not going to take some lady running around in armor clashing with men who have twice her mass in addition to all the other physical advantages men have over women seriously.

[Anonymous No.11644712]

>>11644323
1st is better, albeit I don't like when it becomes misery porn.

[Anonymous No.11644830]

>>11644323
The former because I like Worm

[Anonymous No.11644881]

>>11643333
That looks like manowar art. Bet it's the same artist they used for some covers and posters

[Anonymous No.11644915]

>>11643333
What should I read my friends? I just finished The Hero and the Crown and it was pretty bad!

[Anonymous No.11644970]

>>11643401

A lot of female knights in fiction nowadays are either third wave feminists whose one purpose is to shatter our suspension of disbelief, or a man with a vagina. The latter can be fun characters, but they aren't a good example of female character for me; Brienne is the only one I can think of that, while falling into the trope, wasn't all that bad. Sadly people will still buy the amazon stereotype without much questioning.

Mulan is honestly the only example I can recall of "female knight" that didn't fit in neither and was a genuinely good character. The good thing about those old disney movies is that they weren't yet utterly infected by propaganda.

[Anonymous No.11645006]

>>11644915
It was. What were the last three you read where you said it was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.11645034]

>>11643383
*tips fedora* m'lady

[Anonymous No.11645080]

>>11645006
I haven't read a lot of fantasy recently but I would say Blood Song and Heroes Die for two of them

[Anonymous No.11645081]

>>11643383
Not sure yet. I bought a copy of The Golden Age today. Is it worth the $1.65 I paid?

[Anonymous No.11645090]

>>11644881
Artist is Frank Frazetta. Guy was a legend and his fantasy/scifi art is fucking great. The one you're thinking of is Ken Kelly and yeah his stuff does look similar to Frazetta's.

[Anonymous No.11645120]

>>11645090
The shadows make that ass look gargantuan

[Anonymous No.11645147]

>>11645090

[Anonymous No.11645244]

>>11643333
/sffg/, I just finished Red Mars and I have mixed feelings about it. The actual description of colonization and Martian development was interesting, but there was a lot of boring descriptions of scenery and some questionable politics, and too many one dimensional characters. I've heard Green and Blue Mars get worse in that regard. Are they worth reading?

[Anonymous No.11645281]

>>11645244
No, you've heard correctly. I put KSR on ice after that mars shit, but then read Aurora, which I loved. Then got greedy and went for Forty Signs of Rain and it was one of the worst books I've ever read.

But yeah, the later mars books are more of the same, downhill.

[Anonymous No.11645288]

>>11645244
>Are they worth reading?


nah, read red rising instead.

[Anonymous No.11645307]

>>11644323
>what does /sffg/ prefer in their capeshit?
That it stay in /co/
sorry :(

[Anonymous No.11645323]

>>11645244
I enjoyed them, but I can stomach a lot of garbage.

[Anonymous No.11645399]

>The story was bad because it was outlined too well

Christ.

[Anonymous No.11645406]

>>11644019
Different anon here
Not really a fan of Fire and Ice as a movie (don't really like Bakshi's writing/directing in things), but it's a really interesting film that's certainly SandS. Frazetta was involved in the production too. You should def check it out.

[Anonymous No.11645502]

>>11643333
>what was your favorite S&S series?
Elric, nothing surpasses Moorcock for Dark Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.11645512]

>>11645281
>>11645244
Fuckin love KSR, y'all are just plebs

[Anonymous No.11645514]

Why are there so few officially translated Japanese sci-fi novels? I want to feel them when i read them, not look at my screen for hours while I read.

Can you guys recommend any?

[Anonymous No.11645561]

>>11645514
japs can't write

[Anonymous No.11645582]

>>11645561
This doesn't help me anon...

[Anonymous No.11645710]

If you guys could have any occupation from any sci-fi or fantasy universe (royalty/presidents/super rich excluded), what would you be?
I think I would be a Mentat from Dune. I'd get constant intel, be given cool projects to manage, probably be near leaders, on top of being super smart.

[Anonymous No.11645770]

>>11645514
I take it you’ve already read most of the Haikasoru books? If not, go here
http://www.haikasoru.com/our-books/
You could also weeb out and learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.11645782]

>>11643383
Mostly popular because of his politics

[Anonymous No.11645797]

>>11645514
Konosuba, Re:Zero and Legend of the Galactic Heroes have official English translations.

[Anonymous No.11645807]

>>11643383
woah he look just like the melee player Mike Haze

[Anonymous No.11645859]

>>11643333
I haven’t read a lot but Zelazny’s Amber books are some of my favorites. Elric is a good series too. I’ll try some Robert Howard but I feel like he might be overhyped.

[Anonymous No.11645957]

Is there anything readable for non-fiction fan? I enjoyed Asoiaf and Kingkiller chronicles because of lets say their universal appeal. Also Hyperion books. I'm looking for something like that. Thankkk

[Anonymous No.11646090]

>>11643333
Old fantasy covers will always outdo these new abstract single colour covers.

[Anonymous No.11646097]

>>11646090
I'd hazard to guess there were such covers back then as well. We've just mostly forgotten about them.

[Anonymous No.11646459]

I finished Dune two days ago and loved it and my friend told me to immediately start Messiah. Here's some oc I made.

[Anonymous No.11646510]

>>11646459
Nigga paul used atomics on the Wall, so he can ride his pimped out worm right next to the Emperor.
Not the shields.

[Anonymous No.11646558]

>>11646510
You're right, I mixed up shield wall with shield. That scene is fantastic regardless.

[Anonymous No.11646782]

>>11645957
The Hobbit is an easy-to-read fairy tale that's of just such universal appeal, while still being really well made and a lot of fun.

[Anonymous No.11646887]

Still going through The Name of The Wind.
I'm 25% in and so far it seems pretty directionless. Why was I even memed into this?

I'm considering dropping it in favor of The Expense series. I just want to take a break and read something which is easy to read but still somewhat worth the time.

[Anonymous No.11646892]

>>11646887
>Why was I even memed into this?
Probably to prepare you for Wise Man's Fear, which drops from unremarkable to downright preachy and awful.

[Anonymous No.11646898]

>>11646887
>Why was I even memed into this?
Because you're a dumb fuck. Never read mainstream books.

[Anonymous No.11646914]

>>11646887
>Meme of the Wind
You think that's bad? Wait till you read the next one. I enjoy garbage but even I have better standars

[Anonymous No.11647051]

>>11645502
Most of Elric stories are so formulaic, though. The worldbuilding is interesting, but the actual plots not so much, until shit truly hits the fan.

[Anonymous No.11647138]

>>11646558
I's all good nigga.
Those Fremen must have had balls of steel (not really surprsing). I still remeber the description of one of the Castle Bravo nuclear tests where an infantry batallion moved towards the blast center half an hour after the nuclear detonation occured. They got to about half a mile in tanks before they had to turn away.

I guess that the use of atomics by Paul really drives home just how powerful certain taboos were in Dune's society. The Harkonnen seemingly treated the matter of House Atreides's atomics by ignoring it. Even when every High (and probably most of the minor ones) Houses of Landsraad have the ability to mantain and manufacture nuclear weapons and even with the cut throat politics of the Imperial society, the taboo holds.

[Anonymous No.11647151]

>>11647138
>just how powerful certain taboos were in Dune's society
Well if one House uses atomics against the convention the other Houses get an excuse to nuke them back to the stone age, eliminating a competitor. So it's not just a taboo.

[Anonymous No.11647187]

I'm in the fourth book of the Rain Wild Chronicles by Robin Hobb. I've gotta be honest, Liveship and Rain Wilds are not interesting at all. I just like the Fitz stuff but there's an overarching narrative that it's all moving through.

Fuck Raphskal.

[Anonymous No.11647204]

>Making a new thread while I'm not around to let you all know that Lady is a shit

[Anonymous No.11647206]

>>11647151
Isn't Salusa Secundus the way it is because some Major House chimped out and nuked it 5000 years before Muad'dib or some shit?

[Anonymous No.11647209]

>>11643333
Brandon Sanderson is a hack fraud.

[Anonymous No.11647213]

>>11647151
While the Great Convention is in place to punish the transgressor I am talking more about the fact that no one in the books ever discussed the offensive use of atomics. It was unthinkable.The Butlerian Jihad (to steal from Leto) tought humanity a lesson that they remmebered in their bones.
The Bene Geserit, ever pragmatic and most likely to defy anything that stood in their way, spent countless generations trying to create Kwisatz Haderach by simple intermarriage. Another taboo in action.
And that's not getting into the thinking machines.

[Anonymous No.11647225]

>>11647206
I just googled it and it's some prequel bullshit, so yeah. Never really cared about those books.

>>11647213
Yeah, those taboos are very strong. Though it's funny how everybody tolerates Tleilaxu and Ix.

[Anonymous No.11647235]

>>11647225
I think it was mentioned in either Dune or Children of Dune. When one of Shaddam's daughters is training those tigers. I know there's a mention of a House chimping out and being erased from history somewhere there. I didn't read anything his son wrote.

[Anonymous No.11647287]

>>11647225
While their products and their societies are distasteful to their contemoporaries, they only ever skirt the ancient prohibitions, they never outright brake them. One could argue that that is due to Leto's manipulation (or outright threat of violence) but even post Scattering they stay within the boundaries set by the Butlerian Jihad.

[Anonymous No.11647292]

>>11647287
I think it was always ambiguous. Like the stuff Tleilaxu do is completely disgusting but they're useful and secretive so people don't bother them. Same with Ix. "We can always nuke them if we want but they're useful so let's not do that for now."

[Anonymous No.11647329]

>>11646887
>Why was I even memed into this
By who? Because it certainly wasn't /sffg/ since the general consensus here is that Kingkiller Chronicles is garbage. The fact that Rothfuss is a massive drama queen that's easy to make fun of is an added bonus.

[Anonymous No.11647347]

>>11646887
Reading The Expanse sounds like a much better use of your time.

[Anonymous No.11647425]

>>11645081
The Golden Age is basically The Culture but with harder science, more mature and more well-thought out in general. It's really good.

[Anonymous No.11647576]

Is there any quality scifi by German writers? It seems to me like its a predominantly English genre.

[Anonymous No.11647666]

>>11647576
Germans know only murder

[Anonymous No.11647686]

I saw this Goodreads reviewer once who not only bashed Name of the Wind for being bland and boring, but also made this long negative review about The First Law where he basically wrote a retardedly grimdark scene to parody it. There were a bunch of other fantasy reviews too, that I don't remember too well, but on the whole I liked his style. I can no longer remember who it was, though.

Ringing any bells for anyone?

[Anonymous No.11647725]

>>11647686
>long negative review about The First Law
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/298653738?book_show_action=true

This guy?

[Anonymous No.11647729]

>>11647725
Wait, wrong guy. I'll find the right one. Trust me.

[Anonymous No.11647739]

>>11647576
I can't really speak quality because I haven't read it, but there's the massive Perry Rhodan... franchise I guess? There ought to be a few good books in there.
Bernhard Craw struck me as somewhat competent writer on his yt channel, but I haven't read his stuff either.

You could also look into 18th century novels, I think the period was called Biedemeyer? It's not what we commonly understand as sci-fi, but around that time you have all sorts of speculative elements wiggle into fiction.

[Anonymous No.11648518]

After reading Oathbringer I finally understand the dislike for Sanderson. I know most series that span multiple books drop in overall quality, but Sanderson especially seems to have this problem. And this series is slated for ten books so I can only imagine how frustrating the other ones will be.

[Anonymous No.11648632]

>>11643422
Dumbfriend here, where are the downloads?

[Anonymous No.11648637]

>>11648632
In the sticky.

[Anonymous No.11648660]

>>11648632
In the sticky. http://b-ok.org/

[Anonymous No.11648715]

Why vampires? I just don't get it.
Watts came up with a cool bit of world-building that let him have a super intelligent character, but why did he tack on this stupid vampire shit? Why not just have genetically engineered savants?
Really took me out of it every time Sarasti was doing something or mentioned.

[Anonymous No.11648719]

>>11648715
Vampires sell.

[Thiskillsthedarkelf No.11648720]

>>11643333
>tfw martial god asura finally starts to get good
>it's about 2800 chapters in before this happens

It's like I've watched an author get better at writing everything except the mc, who might just be autistic.

[Anonymous No.11648722]

>>11643372
>>11648720
>2900+ chapters
Just how long are these chapters, exactly?

[Anonymous No.11648723]

>>11648715
It's an allegory about the jews.

[Anonymous No.11648730]

>>11648722
currently 3748 ongoing

[Anonymous No.11648753]

>Martial God Asura (修罗武神 Xiu Luo Wu Shen) is an ongoing Chinese web novel by “Kindhearted Bee” (善良的蜜蜂 Shan Liang de Mi Feng) with 2900+ chapters. This novel is currently being translated by Yang Wenli (YWL). flowerbridgetoo (FBT) has translated the first 3 volumes (Chapters 1-1004). For reference, every chapter fluctuates from 2400 characters to 2900 characters for current chapters with most chapters around 2600 characters.

That's 2600 CHARACTERS per chapter. Say about 1750 characters per page in an average book, the number of pages would be about (2600*2900)/1750 = 4308.6 pages

That's ever so slightly more than the number of pages in the Harry Potter books, so not really some amazingly long behemoth of a series.

[Anonymous No.11648756]

Is it true that the last Thomas Covenant series sucks? Should I only read the first two trilogies?

[Anonymous No.11648760]

>>11648720
im going to pick this up again since you said it's getting good
dont disappoint me

[Anonymous No.11648875]

does anyone know what this means?

[Anonymous No.11648902]

>>11648715
I think he just enjoys taking fantasy stuff and somehow "legitimising" it with hard-scifi. He gives zombies a similar treatment in the sequel, Echopraxia, and I expect if/when he completes the trilogy he'll tackle another element like ghosts (i.e. as uploaded brains etc).

[Anonymous No.11648958]

So I saw you guys talking about Genocidal Organ a few days ago and I decided to check it out. It was alright, but what the fuck was Shepherd thinking at the end?
So he begrudgingly agrees with what John Paul did because he also sees it as an 'ends justify the means' kind of scenario, but also wants to honour the memory of Lucia by trying to limit the bloodshed as much as possible, yet he goes right back to the US and uses John's special linguistics program to engineer a civil war/genocide in the first world?
Fucking why? Seems retarded and completely antithetical to the point of view that Shepherd had adopted by the end.

[Anonymous No.11649034]

>>11648875
How meta.

>>11648756
Ugh, there’s more than one? Jfc.

[Anonymous No.11649040]

>>11646782
I love Tove Jannson but that cover is not applicabl.

[Anonymous No.11649401]

I've only read Conan but man I love it. I don't know if it's Howard's prose or what, but it's so short, concise and to the point. I guess that's how most S&S is? I've never ready any more. I think I'll check out Elric next.

[Anonymous No.11649444]

>>11649401
>I guess that's how most S&S is
Unfortunately no. Even though it's so classic and simple, Conan is still at the top when it comes to S&S. Elric is good too but obviously it's pretty different from Conan.

[Anonymous No.11649458]

>>11649401
Elric is basically Moorcock reading Conan and saying "Wow, I REALLY hate everything about it, how do I subvert pretty much every trope here (except for that one where protag fucks a bunch of pretty babes)?"

[Anonymous No.11649580]

All the Conan stuff is satisfying to read. From his beginnings all the way to the end where he's a King and even the stories after that where he has a son and is still adventuring around while in his sixties after his Queen dies because he doesn't want to die himself in a bed.

[Anonymous No.11649593]

>>11649580
>unironically reading non Howard Conan

[Anonymous No.11649596]

So she huffs a vial of iron, pushes off a coin, and stabs the bitch with a glass knife before having fade to black sex with her noble (but kind hearted) lover!

[Anonymous No.11649648]

>>11647347
It's gutter trash

[Anonymous No.11649692]

>>11649593
Obviously I like Howard's Conan the best, but some of the other ones are decent enough on their own. Besides the whole Conan becoming King and vowing to make Zenobia his Queen still happens in Howard's stories so most of my original point still stands.

[Anonymous No.11649729]

>>11649596
Why are so many Fantasy authors so out of shape? The three most popular ones right now being GRRM, Sanderson and Rothfuss are all fat fucks.

[Anonymous No.11649858]

Anyone else having trouble connecting to undernet?

[Anonymous No.11649863]

>>11649401

Check out the Witcher books if you haven't. It's not that good, but it's more similar to Conan than Elric.

[Anonymous No.11649864]

Starting Black Company. Have I been memed?

[Anonymous No.11649884]

>>11645514

I feel like Japanese scifi/fantasy overall appeal to a very niche audience which is still way too stuck with RPG-like fantasy and Star Wars, so it seldom makes it to the west.

[Anonymous No.11649892]

>>11649884
But litrpgs are growing steadily

[Anonymous No.11649911]

>>11649884

just read the magical realists for any foreign language fantasy/sci-fi

[Anonymous No.11650065]

>>11647204
>Lady a shit
t. Soulcatcher

[Anonymous No.11650129]

>>11649401
I've actually got Conan on order and can't wait to give it a read. Even if it means adding more to my backlog.
>>11649458
From what I've read about Elric, I find I have a love/hate relationship with Moorcock. Mainly that I find the idea of the Eternal Champion, while intriguing, gets old kind of fast since you already know how its going to end every time. Not to mention the fact that it feels like the worlds he builds end up being purposeless and there's no point to caring about anyone in them when their death is inevitable. Then again, Moorcock is the same man who whines that Winnie the Pooh exists.

[Anonymous No.11650136]

>>11649858
I havent tried recently but not too long ago there were 2+ weeks that I couldn’t connect. Thought I’d been wrongly banned or it had died 5ever

>>11649458
Elric is much more than that tho with a bunch of psychedelic New Wave ideas.

[Anonymous No.11650149]

>>11650129
Moorcock is a good world-builder but not a very good plot or character writer, IMO. It's fun to read stuff like 3 guys who are all aspects of the same thing from different realities turning into a huge triple-headed thing and fighting icky building-sized Eldritch Abominations while siphoning galaxies to power themselves, but that's just one story out of dozens. I really like Stormbringer being an asshole, though, it's definitely my favorite character of the cycle. And my probably favorite little thing in the series is Elric torturing his final antagonist for an hour during a literal end of the world until his human friend begs him to stop and get on with destroying the world already. That was pretty edgy, but in a fun way.

[Anonymous No.11650180]

>>11650149
If anything, I feel like it sounds like the other way around. Though I admit I've got an Elric comic on order and not a book as I have too many I'll probably never read. The Young Kingdoms seem like an interesting setting, but largely unexplored in the actual books and the Law, Chaos and Balance system simultaneously feels liberating and even more binding than DnD alignment. I feel like it's another case of making the metaphysics matter too much. Though those moments sound good. Perhaps I'll enjoy it more if I actually read Elric and see more of the world for myself.

[Anonymous No.11650221]

>>11650180
It's not a terrible read really, and it's fun if you know about stuff like Warhammer/DnD because they steal so much from it it's not even funny (down to the Chaos symbol from Warhammer). I'd recommend looking up the chronological order but also probably skipping (at least at first) the stuff that was written way later, like Fortress of the Pearl etc. The original stories are mostly pretty short and that book isn't, it has some fun stuff but like half of it is mostly irrelevant (it's a story in real world framing a journey into dreams), though the payoff for the real world stuff is pretty cool. Elric kills pretty much an entire fucking Corrupt Arab City because they refuse to stop fucking with Noble Desert Nomads whom he befriends during his adventure.

[Anonymous No.11650228]

>>11647576

German authors who wrote primaraly scifi are rare. Kurd Lasswitz was one in the 19th century. Today there is Franz Schätzing (his most famous book is called the swarm).
But there are alot of authors who wrote also scifi. fe.
Ernst Jünger - the glass bees, Eumeswil and some more
Arno Schmidt - schwarze spiegel (dont know if this is translated into english)
Alfred Doblin - Berge Meere und Giganten (afaik not translated into english)

[Anonymous No.11650252]

>>11650221
I don't think it is. I just think I'd dislike how the cosmology is set up and how nothing else seems to matter but the battle between Law and Chaos, at the expense of the world which I can only find a lot of detail on in the RPGs. I'll probably still give it a read.

[Anonymous No.11650277]

>>11650252
The great battle doesn't really become the focus until later in the cycle, and before that you mostly have Elric fucking around with stuff, moping, searching for meaning, fucking up, getting disappointed, killing his friends, weeping and fucking pretty girls. I guess ULTIMATELY none of that fucking matters, but that's just how the setting is.

Also I love Blue Oyster Cult and this song is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCxL3-Fl7bM

[Anonymous No.11650304]

>>11649864
I was memed

[Anonymous No.11650327]

>>11650277
I feel the fact that ultimately it doesn't matter hurts it for me. But it's probably best I read the earlier stories that don't really involve the great game.
>>11650304
Why do you say that, anon?

[Anonymous No.11650346]

>>11650304
I came to the same conclusion about 4 pages in.

[Anonymous No.11650642]

>>11648756
Even the second trilogy is downhill, I have heard zero good things about the Final Chronicles.

[Anonymous No.11650684]

>>11649892

Yeah, but RPG derived western fantasy is still very different from japanese fantasy. Kemono no Souja Erin is the only one I found that seems to break out of the stereotype.

However, I think manga is a wondrous medium for fantasy.

[Anonymous No.11650704]

>>11650327
>Why do you say that, anon?
Don't care for the writing. And I hate the chummy goons who "banter" all the time yet never say anything funny or witty and have names like Silent and Goblin or Tom-Tom who carries a literal Tom Tom around.

Picked up Conan for the first time under influence of this thread and it's been a great decision.

[Thiskillsthedarkelf No.11650729]

>>11648722
I want to say about 1500 words on average.

>>11648760
Good is relative, the mcs still a cringe factory though.

>>11649729
Authors in general tend to have shit bodies.

[Anonymous No.11650783]

>>11643333
Any tips on creating convincing fantasy names? How do you prevent them sounding like random syllables mashed together short of creating your own languages to derive them from?

I also hate the trend of using slightly altered versions of preexisting names like Petewin or Christopharr, so that's not gonna work.

[Anonymous No.11650788]

>>11650783
Just take an already existing name and switch around a few letters like all the successful modern fantasy authors do.

[Anonymous No.11650825]

>>11647576
germans arent allowed to be creative or have fun anymore.
the last time germans had fun they wanted to rid the world of privately owned banks and we all know how that turned out.

[Anonymous No.11650827]

>>11650783
Use real names if you have zero creativity. Or if you're writing for mouth-breathers just invent random names, they won't care.

If you've got creativity and effort to spare you can create a loose framework for a language the names come from. I don't mean going full Tolkien and creating an entire language family, just some loose general rules for how vowels sound, what consonants are common, then throw in some cultural traditions around given and family names and boom you have a template for names from a given fantasy culture. Repeat several times and you can name yourself Brandon Sanderson's disciple.

[Anonymous No.11650922]

>>11643333
Hyperion: is every next book worse than the previous one or do they all have a uniform quality?

[Anonymous No.11651106]

>>11650922
The former

[Anonymous No.11651113]

>>11650825
Or worse, they gave us Roland Emmerich

[Anonymous No.11651478]

>>11649401

Wagner's Kane series is worth a look too

[Anonymous No.11651677]

Reading speaker of the dead. Orson scott card. Its cool but weird. Id just nuke those piggie fucks and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.11651809]

anyone got this?
its a spinoff novella based on waldo rabbit where theres advice given from the perspective of waldo.
cant find it in the usual places. anyone read it? i imagine its quite humorous.

[Anonymous No.11651881]

>>11651677
>doesn't understand the book at all
par for /sffg/

[Anonymous No.11651905]

>>11651677
Fascist brainlet detected

[Anonymous No.11651937]

http://www.thehugoawards.org/2018/08/2018-hugo-award-winners/

Thoughts on the Hugos?

>Best Novel
The Stone Sky, by N.K. Jemisin (Orbit)
The Collapsing Empire, by John Scalzi (Tor)
New York 2140, by Kim Stanley Robinson (Orbit)
Provenance, by Ann Leckie (Orbit)
Raven Stratagem, by Yoon Ha Lee (Solaris)
Six Wakes, by Mur Lafferty (Orbit)

>Best Novella
All Systems Red, by Martha Wells (Tor.com Publishing)
“And Then There Were (N-One),” by Sarah Pinsker (Uncanny, March/April 2017)
Binti: Home, by Nnedi Okorafor (Tor.com Publishing)
The Black Tides of Heaven, by JY Yang (Tor.com Publishing)
Down Among the Sticks and Bones, by Seanan McGuire (Tor.Com Publishing)
River of Teeth, by Sarah Gailey (Tor.com Publishing)

>Best Novelette
“The Secret Life of Bots,” by Suzanne Palmer (Clarkesworld, September 2017)
“Children of Thorns, Children of Water,” by Aliette de Bodard (Uncanny, July-August 2017)
“Extracurricular Activities,” by Yoon Ha Lee (Tor.com, February 15, 2017)
“A Series of Steaks,” by Vina Jie-Min Prasad (Clarkesworld, January 2017)
“Small Changes Over Long Periods of Time,” by K.M. Szpara (Uncanny, May/June 2017)
“Wind Will Rove,” by Sarah Pinsker (Asimov’s, September/October 2017)

>Best Short Story
“Welcome to your Authentic Indian Experience™,” by Rebecca Roanhorse (Apex, August 2017)
“Carnival Nine,” by Caroline M. Yoachim (Beneath Ceaseless Skies, May 2017)
“Clearly Lettered in a Mostly Steady Hand,” by Fran Wilde (Uncanny, September 2017)
“Fandom for Robots,” by Vina Jie-Min Prasad (Uncanny, September/October 2017)
“The Martian Obelisk,” by Linda Nagata (Tor.com, July 19, 2017)
“Sun, Moon, Dust” by Ursula Vernon, (Uncanny, May/June 2017)

>Best Series
World of the Five Gods, by Lois McMaster Bujold (Harper Voyager / Spectrum Literary Agency)
The Books of the Raksura, by Martha Wells (Night Shade)
The Divine Cities, by Robert Jackson Bennett (Broadway US / Jo Fletcher Books UK)
InCryptid, by Seanan McGuire (DAW)
The Memoirs of Lady Trent, by Marie Brennan (Tor US / Titan UK)
The Stormlight Archive, by Brandon Sanderson (Tor US / Gollancz UK

[Anonymous No.11651961]

>>11651937
I've read none of these so I don't really have thoughts on the matter. Are they worth reading?

[Anonymous No.11651971]

>>11651937
Have not read any of them. Will probably read Provenance some day. Hopefully Leckie have returned to her roots now that she've stopped writing sequels to a book that did not need them.

>Best Series
Why is this allowed?

[Anonymous No.11651975]

can anyone recommend some sombre romantic fantasy similar to Tolkien? I'm pretty sick of muh gritty realist shit.

[Anonymous No.11651992]

>>11651937
More like the Hugas

[Anonymous No.11652009]

Did he write good sci-fi?

[Anonymous No.11652012]

>>11652009
yes

[Anonymous No.11652015]

>>11651937
i dont reed books that have not stood the test of time

[Anonymous No.11652044]

>>11652009
Hell yeah

[Anonymous No.11652157]

>>11652015
so you only read epubs and pdfs?

[Anonymous No.11652340]

>>11652009
The more important question is if it's hard

[Anonymous No.11652352]

I've only read Flow My Tears, what Dick should I read next?

[Anonymous No.11652362]

>>11652352
A Scanner Darkly

[Anonymous No.11652364]

>>11647576
Here you go buddy. I went to this wacky new site called google that can answer all your questions. Check it out. It's really cool.

[Anonymous No.11652399]

>be me
>be a freelance literary translator
>get a novel translation contract
>easy money because it's ((fantasy))
>read the entire series of long and boring novels to understand the book better
>start translating
>book so boring and full of clichés that cannot stand translating more than 5 pages per sitting
>1000 pages starts creating stress on you
>start drinking -almost every night, alone
>eat unhealthy because of stress and workload (as you lecture at a college during the day)
>break up with gf
>drink more
>get depressed
>miss a deadline for the first time in your life
>stop writing your next novel
>go to a shrink
>use xanax and prozac for a year
>go to therapy sessions which leads nowhere
>finish the damn translation
>swear to myself that I'll never translate anything from the same guy again
>two years pass
>be me
>currently translating another novel by the same guy
>procrastinate by posting on /lit/
>NEVER AGAIN.

[Anonymous No.11652412]

>>11652399
What language do you translate it to?

[Anonymous No.11652429]

>>11652399
the dark lord claims another

[Anonymous No.11652441]

>>11645090
Thanks for the input. Appreciated. Found a new artist to like

[Anonymous No.11652455]

>someone recommends fantasy author
>it's an Am*rican
>their fantasy universe is cringey as shit

every time.

[Anonymous No.11652480]

>>11652412
Pro account tipped me off. He's lying. He's an American. Translators live in the target language countr. Target language English? Book is already in English. Therefore BS.

[Anonymous No.11652485]

>>11652480
Fucking autocorrect. Prozac

[Anonymous No.11652538]

>>11652455
What makes their universe cringey, exactly? What sort of common warning signs are there?

[Anonymous No.11652546]

>>11652480
I'm not from Bugerstan, chill.
Do you think it's only available in the US? I used it for a year and the only effect it had was to make orgasm a labour-heavy act.

>>11652412
I'm afraid I'll have to keep it to myself since it'll automatically make me google-able.

[Anonymous No.11652549]

>>11652455
Did somebody insult your Harry Potter, Jamie?

[Anonymous No.11652558]

>>11652546
If the experience was so awful, why did you take up another contract by the same guy?

Why not translate something shorter and more palatable? Like mine?

[Anonymous No.11652601]

>>11652558
a) I need the cash
b) initially I declined the offer, actually but ended up getting it.

and because of that I lost the chance of translating a better series.

Sure, if your rights are sold into my language.

[Anonymous No.11652609]

>brandon sanderson
>the shit of the wind
>the black company
>wheel of time
>malazan
>the first law trilogy

You're fucking boring. Find something new to read. Is that the best the edgy, contrarian culture of 4chan can consume? Mainstream onions fantasy?

[Anonymous No.11652627]

>>11652609
Who hurt you?

[Anonymous No.11652629]

>>11652609
>the shit of the wind

[Anonymous No.11652634]

>>11652601
What's your language?

>>11652609
You could try reading mine too. It's not mainstream and probably never will be. Dunno about edge or contrary, though.

[Anonymous No.11652647]

>>11652609
He's right about Sanderson, though. It's anime in fantasy novel book form. Fuck this shit.

>>11652634
where can I see your work? published?

[Anonymous No.11652650]

>>11651937
But it's all women unless I skipped someone.
Am I missing something?

[Anonymous No.11652660]

>>11652609
Well, a couple of more unique books are generally praised and sometimes discussed in this general. But it takes a while for new posters to finish whatever mainstream crap they came here to discuss, dare leave their comfort zone and finish whatever more interesting book they chose to read. It could easily take a new poster two years only to read the most basic /sffg/-core, especially if they fall for the epic fantasy meme.

[Anonymous No.11652662]

>>11652352
Ubik

[Anonymous No.11652664]

>>11652650
No you aren't missing anything. The entire thing was politicized nonsense. It wasn't judged by the merit of the works themselves, but rather who wrote them. The Hugos are a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.11652671]

>>11652647
>where can I see your work? published?
Yep. It's on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FJPM8XY

There's also a Goodreads giveaway going on right now, if any of you are American.
https://www.goodreads.com/giveaway/show/283512-the-straggler-s-mask

You may have heard me talk about it here before. I think I'll stop now for a while, before it gets really old, maybe mention it on the last few days of the giveaway and then start working on the next novel.

[Anonymous No.11652678]

Are there any books with the 1600-1800 setting?

[Anonymous No.11652686]

>>11652671
>your name
>giveaway is only for Americans
I'm disappointed.

[Anonymous No.11652696]

>>11652686
Giveaway is always for Americans. It was changed some year ago for some reason I have no idea of.

If you live somewhere closer, I can send you a print copy. I seriously have enough of these to be a nuisance.

[Anonymous No.11652749]

>>11645710
a red shirt

[Anonymous No.11652756]

>>11645710
An Eternal Champion. My life would always be exciting, I'd get to see the world, and there are enough others sharing my fate to never feel too lonely or singled-out.

[Anonymous No.11652852]

>>11652650
There're a few.
>John Scalzi
>Yoon Ha Lee
>K.M Szpara
>Robert Jackson Benett
>Brandon Sanderson

[Anonymous No.11652897]

>>11651937
>River of Teeth
In the early 20th Century, the United States government concocted a plan to import hippopotamuses into the marshlands of Louisiana to be bred and slaughtered as an alternative meat source. This is true.

Other true things about hippos: they are savage, they are fast, and their jaws can snap a man in two.

This was a terrible plan.

Contained within this volume is an 1890s America that might have been: a bayou overrun by feral hippos and mercenary hippo wranglers from around the globe. It is the story of Winslow Houndstooth and his crew. It is the story of their fortunes. It is the story of his revenge.

[Anonymous No.11652907]

>>11649729
It's a sedentary profession.

[Anonymous No.11652933]

>>11652907
That's no excuse. I worked a desk job for years yet I still found the time and willpower to not eat like garbage and workout.

[Anonymous No.11652945]

>>11652933
Excuse or not, it's harder to fight uphill battles.

[Anonymous No.11652952]

>>11652945
Doesn't make it any less worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.11652958]

>>11652952
Well, it does make it a little less worthwhile because you're paying a bigger price for the same product.

But I wasn't trying to provide a justification, just an explanation.

[Anonymous No.11652969]

>>11652952
Why do you act so butthurt over some fantasy author's habits? Do you think you're the one who deserves to be paid millions and get to fly private jets just because you keep in shape?

[Anonymous No.11653029]

>>11652969
Nobody is acting butthurt though, we're just laughing at fatties coming up with non stop excuses as to why they can't be assed to lose weight.

[Anonymous No.11653127]

>Aes Sedai in charge of being useful

[Anonymous No.11653141]

>>11648756
I found it as a set of hardbacks at a thrift store but haven't gotten to them yet. I may wait another year because I want to reread the first two at the same time and it's only been a year and a half or so.

[Anonymous No.11653183]

Marc still fucking has it boys, just look at this apollonian in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj_Y0HJBqD4

>better read than 99% of sffg and lit
>better bod than 99% of sffg and lit

[Anonymous No.11653194]

>>11652678
baroque cycle

[Anonymous No.11653339]

>>11652609
*snap*

[Anonymous No.11653358]

Goodreads have ranked respectively the 50 best fantasy and sci-fi books. How many of each have you read? Is there some merit to the lists?
https://www.goodreads.com/blog/show/1344
https://www.goodreads.com/blog/show/1343

[Anonymous No.11653375]

>>11653358
>https://www.goodreads.com/blog/show/1344
Okay, I knew Name of the Wind would be there because of fucking course, but
>bleach

[Anonymous No.11653406]

>>11653358
Fantasy: Read 16/50.
Sci-fi: Read 12/50.

There's a couple of good books on both lists, they're both way better than what I would have expected from a popularity contest on Goodreads.

>all them erotica looking covers on the fantasy list
lel

[Anonymous No.11653437]

>>11653358
I think that these kind of lists would be better if they realized that 95+% of the popular stuff less than 25 years old is chaff that no one will remember. This was as true in the 1920s as it is now. The list just looks so dumb with classics mixed into whatever's currently hip.

[Anonymous No.11653445]

>>11653358
>the first science fiction written by a black woman, ...

[Anonymous No.11653475]

>>11653445
Black or not, Octavia Butler is based desu

[Anonymous No.11653481]

>>11653358
How do we get more young men to read so women stop shitting up these lists?

[Anonymous No.11653499]

>>11653481
bring back classic adventure fantasy.
great adventures, heroic warriors and maidens in distress waiting to be saved. throw in a dragon or two and itlls work itself out. then over time once a fanbase is established. increase writing quality and plot as needed to reflect the age of your demographic, once they are old enough reset and start from the beginning with a new, younger, audience.
repeat as necessary.

[Anonymous No.11653502]

>>11653481
Ban video games. But on the other hand, we'd just get more crap like RPO and Kingkiller on the lists if more young men read.

[Anonymous No.11653503]

>>11653358
Sci-Fi
Read: 18
Heard of: 16
Never Heard of: 15

Fantasy
Read: 12
Heard of: 19
Never Heard of: 19

Additionally, the Fantasy books marked "Heard of" were almost entirely from here, Sci-Fi much less so.

[Anonymous No.11653528]

>>11653437
>top 50 fantasy books on Goodreads
Oh, I missed that part. You shouldn't have cut that bit anon >>11653358

[Anonymous No.11653539]

>ywn be friends with Howard and Lovecraft
jdimsa

[Anonymous No.11653552]

>>11653539
The Challenge From Beyond is the best thing either of them ever created, evidence that they were always just two tragically separated halves of a single sublime whole that could have forever altered the face of fiction to an even greater extent than they ever did on their own.

I'm prepared to fight you over this.

[Anonymous No.11653559]

>>11653499
>heroic warriors and maidens in distress waiting to be saved
But anon, that's "problematic".

[Anonymous No.11653580]

>>11653559
a lot of pulp and litrpgs have explicit sex scences, harems and slavery and general bad thing that happen to women.
they seem to be more popular than ever and their authors make a good amount of money. their fanbase is too big to be called "niche".
i dont see how that cant be translated into more high profile fantasy that appeals to the mainstream. i mean a lot of "big" fantasy already is GRI approved anyways and no one calls "problematic".

[Anonymous No.11653766]

>Magical Realism
For when you want to like a fantasy story without admitting you like a fantasy story.

>Speculative Fiction
For when you want to refer to genre fiction without fear of shame of admitting to liking genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.11653805]

>>11652852
Not sure about the rest but somewhere along the line Scalzi turned into a soccer mom. He would fit with the rest of the nominees.

[Anonymous No.11653807]

>>11653358
couldn't they cut out the comics and just have novels? I mean come on

[Anonymous No.11653824]

>>11653807
To be fair, the comics they've picked there are still much better than some of the novels.

[Anonymous No.11653831]

>>11653807
But you can't be a nerd and not like comics anon.

[Anonymous No.11653852]

>>11653831
I am anime only, fuck comics and manga

[Anonymous No.11653866]

>>11653852
You can't be a weeb if you read actual books anon.

[Anonymous No.11653893]

>>11653866
>You can't be a weeb if you read actual books anon.
i beg to differ.

[Anonymous No.11653927]

>>11653766
>Military Sci-Fi
When you prefer your political propaganda with a thin veneer of paint, something vaguely resembling a narrative, and lasers.

[Anonymous No.11653937]

>>11653893
I though his writings were in anime style, nit that he watches anime.

[Anonymous No.11653944]

>>11651937
All Systems Red is part of the Murderbot novellas which are fun
I didn't like Welcome To Your Authentic Indian Experience because it was dark
Fandom For Robots was fun
I've only read part of book 1 of Books of the Raksura but it's good so far, nice to have a fantasy that isn't Medievalesque Again

>>11651971
>Best Series
I think it's a new category

[Anonymous No.11653945]

>>11653766
Really though, if you're writing magical realism or low fantasy or what have you, why not just set it in the real world and make it historical fiction to get rid of the whole genre fiction stigma altogether? You'll probably lose nothing in the process.

[Anonymous No.11653955]

>>11653945
cos they'd have to do research instead of just making up bullshit

[Anonymous No.11654025]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS

[Anonymous No.11654073]

>>11654025
slay kweeen yaaass

[Anonymous No.11654076]

>>11654025
>We don't care about hugos or any other awards!
>Thread is constantly crying over it

[Anonymous No.11654156]

>>11654025
>caring about the hugos

[Anonymous No.11654213]

>>11654076
>a few posts shitting on how how much of a joke the hugos are
>somehow this translates to the thread "crying" over it
I think you're projecting a little too hard there anon.

[Anonymous No.11654298]

>>11654076
Nothing worse than a passive-aggressive roastie.

[Anonymous No.11654377]

If only there was a chaste Mormon author who wrote fun fantasy for the whole family while still catering to the sensibilities of Japanese animation

[Anonymous No.11654402]

>>11654025
Has anyone read her?

Is she good?

[Anonymous No.11654411]

>>11654402
>le girl author in this time and place
Probably not.

[Anonymous No.11654426]

>>11645120
That's how Frank liked them. THICC.

[Anonymous No.11654460]

>>11654402
Meh, The Broken Earth series is not bad. Fairly standard world goes to shit fantasy with the minor twist that the survivor from the farm is the mother and not the son.

[Anonymous No.11654463]

>>11654402
I read the trilogy. It was mediocre, but very "diverse".

[Anonymous No.11654465]

>>11654402
Nah but I'd boink her if you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.11654469]

>>11654460
It's not particularly good either though.

[Anonymous No.11654553]

More military sci-fi recs please, almost finished this and loving it. Not Starship Troopers. Preferably late 70s/80s, I like the style. The more violent the better.

[Anonymous No.11654576]

>>11654553
I liked the sequel too, and the comics

[Anonymous No.11654779]

>>11654025
Remember when people bashed the sad puppies for being paranoid right wingers who saw conspiracies and ideological nepotism where there were none? They're sure proving them wrong now.

[Anonymous No.11654927]

>Asha'man fucking up Aes Sedei
Am I, dare I say it, finally at the good part?

[Anonymous No.11654996]

>author: I.M. Wommyn
What did he mean by this?

This has gotten to a level I just ignore most authors that do this.

[Anonymous No.11655052]

>>11654996
>I.M. Wommyn
So she's like Onions Green but just females?

[Anonymous No.11655211]

>>11651937
The Hugos are meaningless. The fact that Mur Lafferty is on there is proof of that. Her books are shit. Not to mention the opening of Six Wakes was totally plagiarized.

[Anonymous No.11655303]

>>11651937
Where will the nerds go when the gentrification of nerddom is complete

[Anonymous No.11655333]

>>11643372
Chapters are short though, this might not even be equal to half of the wheel of time.

[Anonymous No.11655626]

>>11655211
>Mur Lafferty
What the fuck What's with these androgynous names and tranny looking female writers?

[Anonymous No.11655698]

Only read all systems red which is pretty good though nothing special, and stone sky which is much worse than books 1 and 2. Wouldn't give any awards to either.

[Anonymous No.11655701]

>>11655698
>>11651937

[Anonymous No.11655705]

>>11655698
What would you give the awards for?

[Anonymous No.11655715]

>ITT: guys mad at women
Shit’s hilarious. It’s ok to be nerdy but don’t go full r9ktard.

[Anonymous No.11655726]

>>11655715
Trolling is supposed to be subtle anon.

[Anonymous No.11655755]

>>11654779
>could it be that nobody agrees with me?
>No it is the liberals who are conspiring against me!

[Anonymous No.11655781]

>>11655755
It's amazing isn't it?
Larry "The Old Ones can be defetard through the power of capitalism" and Vox "Pussy Slayer" Day look saner than this bunch professional victims.

[Anonymous No.11655837]

>>11655726
No, I actually think being this Mad Online is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.11655870]

>>11655837
Nobody is mad though? We're just making fun of them and at the state of the Hugos.

[Anonymous No.11655998]

>>11655837
You sound like a bit of a fag.

[Anonymous No.11656042]

>>11655705
ZeroS by Watts for best short story although it isn't amazing. Dunno about novel and novella. Maybe one of the entries I haven't read is good enough. Ninefox gambit is good, maybe the sequel is too.

[Anonymous No.11656136]

Why do most science fiction and fantasy authors hate white people so much?

[Anonymous No.11656160]

>>11656136
Mentioning the skin color of a character more than once is pointless and bad writing.
On the other hand if a book doesn't contain white characters why would you care? What does it change?

[Anonymous No.11656315]

>>11653580
>a lot of pulp and litrpgs have explicit sex scences
Where for the first, all I've seen is litrpgs.

[Anonymous No.11656325]

>>11651905

fag detected. drink more s/oy cunt.

[Anonymous No.11656353]

>>11656160
I can only relate to people of my own tribe and kin.

[Anonymous No.11656359]

>>11656353

top bloke! no nigs.

[Anonymous No.11656361]

It's hysterical when authors describe a character as "ebony"

[Anonymous No.11656426]

Find a flaw.

[Anonymous No.11656447]

>>11651937
>jemisin

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>>11654402
Godawful.

>>11654779
getting to this point was the objective from the beginning

[Anonymous No.11656514]

I want to read a fantasy novel that's eurocentric. Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.11656523]

>>11656426
the son of a criminal, and therefore a criminal.

[Anonymous No.11656538]

I wrote a fantasy romance novella
ao3 .org /works / 15707181
Google it if you're unfamiliar with ao3

[Anonymous No.11656546]

>>11656538
How much lewdness is in it?

[Anonymous No.11656570]

>>11656546
None at all, just lots of awkward romantic tension and blushing. I'm repulsed by sexuality.

[Anonymous No.11656583]

>>11656514
Isn't that the domain of uncucked white male authors by default?

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>>11651881
Not that guy, but desu not neccesarily.

It's entirely possible to understand the message of a book completely and still disagree with it. I know that when I read the books as a kid, I was spectacularly unconvinced by enders game + speaker's message. I figured if every single contact involved a 'misunderstanding' which always seemed to result in a bunch of humans (never the aliens) dying, it might not be worth keeping the creatures around. Especially when they don't bring much to the table.

[Anonymous No.11656629]

>>11654553
Hammer's Slammers by David Drake. I'd suggest starting with the two short stories "The Butcher's Bill" and "Interrogation Team."

>>11656514
Mercedes Lackey was apparently cursed by a witch to only write the most bland and generic "Arthurian England" fantasies ever put to paper.

[Anonymous No.11656637]

>>11656583
Yes

[Anonymous No.11656648]

Help I haven't read anything about medieval stuff in a while

I need something outrageous and obscure. Something like Black Opal (good read)

[Anonymous No.11656686]

>>11654553
repubic comando by Karen travis XDD

[Anonymous No.11656819]

>>11654553
Armor if you haven't already read it.

[Anonymous No.11656833]

>>11654402
The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms is absolute trash.

The Broken Earth Trilogy (for which she won the Hugos in question) are pretty good. It's certainly not the best series of books in the history of the genre, although the nominees this year were exceptionally weak.

[Anonymous No.11656864]

>>11656426
After relentlessly making fun of GRRM for taking forever on ASOIAF, he took five years to write a follow-up to his own fantasy book (at reduced length/scope) with no sign of the third (final?) book in sight.

[Anonymous No.11656879]

>>11656620
>Ender's Game

Adding: while I understand why Ender felt guilty about genociding the bugs, I think it's absurd that Ender internalized this instead of blaming the obvious culprits -- the guys who deliberately and systematically deceived him into doing it.

[Anonymous No.11656991]

Thoughts on Benjanun Sriduangkaew, aka Requires Hate?

[Anonymous No.11657065]

>>11652609
Black Company is awesome, and you're gay

[Anonymous No.11657241]

>>11656864
Think that was an unfinished version of the 2nd book and he's supposed to release the full one by the end of the year or something. Still slow though.

[Anonymous No.11657296]

>>11657241
That's even worse.

[Anonymous No.11657333]

>>11656991
Writes much better than most genre authors

[Anonymous No.11657784]

im reading gene wolfe's the knight and my god its boring. anyone else read this shit? i dont know if i can go on. book of the new sun was so fucking good but this is just a slog. anyone want to convince me to keep reading? im about to drop it half way through

[Anonymous No.11657815]

i bought a hardcover copy of oathbringer in december and i haven't even made it 50 pages in
i also bought a box set of mistborn a year before and haven't even finished the first book
who else /based/

[Anonymous No.11657830]

Why is Kvothe such a cuck? It's absolutely clear Denna fucks other men for money, but Kvothe can only dream about "knowing her longer" and "seeing her smile".

>Unfortunately, I rarely managed to have her wholly to myself, as she usually had someone with her. As Deoch had mentioned, she was not the sort who spent a lot of time alone.

>Still I kept coming. Why? Because whenever she saw me some light would go on inside her, making her glow for a moment. She would jump to her feet, run to me, and catch hold of my arm. Then, smiling, bring me back to her table and introduce me to her newest man.

>I came to know most of them. None were good enough for her, so I held them in contempt and hated them. They in turn hated and feared me.

[Anonymous No.11657935]

>>11657830
Why are you so obsessed with repeating this obvious fact?

[Anonymous No.11657947]

>>11657830
Because he's still a little idealistic kid. This all shatters in book 2

[Anonymous No.11657956]

>>11657947
Are you kidding? He cucks even worse in book 2.

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>>11657815
What /sffg/-related HAVE you been reading lately, anon? What do you actually enjoy?

[Anonymous No.11658131]

>>11643333
>last two books combined are about 2000 pages
>only 200 of them actually have shit happen in them
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11658153]

>>11653580
Is there even good pulp outside of the internet anymore? And I mean overall, all genres. I think bringing small amateur writing could bring some new things, and refresh fiction writing.

[Anonymous No.11658190]

>>11652627
>t.

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>>11653437
>95+% of the popular stuff less than 25 years old is chaff that no one will remember.
What works do you think would be likely to fit to that remaining 5%?

[Anonymous No.11658200]

>>11652627
Didn't you read? Sanderson, Rothfuss, Abercombie, and the others.

[Anonymous No.11658223]

>>11658197
For me it's Neal - intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor.

[Anonymous No.11658259]

>>11658131
He just really wants to be Tolkien. In this instance he tries to copy the attitude of "The tale grew on telling", which is how The Lord of the Rings ended up so long in the first place... except GRRM's all efforts are marred because he can't plot for shit.

[Anonymous No.11658263]

>>11653927
>When you prefer your political propaganda with a thin veneer of paint
That is a bit unfair, military action is almost always a result of politics, so how could there be military SF without politics thrown in? Those two issues are almost inseparable.

[Anonymous No.11658273]

Is anyone else mildly bothered how so many of these hack writers throw around the word "saga" in their series names, clearly without even knowing what the word means?

[Anonymous No.11658274]

>>11658263
There's a difference between politics and political propaganda, anon. Let's not pretend there's not a thousand SF "novels" with [America analogy] being threatened by [insert thinly veiled allegory to author's most hated political faction, usually space socialists].

[Anonymous No.11658278]

>>11658076
I actually read Edgedancer just now because I thought it was supposed to be about Szeth and I'm starting to like Lift. I didn't like her chapters in the main books and neither did I like her for a good chunk of this book but by the end she grew on me.

[Anonymous No.11658302]

>>11658278
>le dumb food gimmick loli
literal anime trope
sanderson has the worst taste

[Anonymous No.11658309]

>>11658302
I don't really get stuck on the details if I enjoy the whole. I don't like her quips and quirks but I liked the story enough to finish it.

[Anonymous No.11658317]

I accidentally read N.K Jemisin's The Fifth Season and I rather liked it, but I'm not really interested in continuing the series. The second book won a Hugo but that doesn't really mean anything to me. Are they worth reading?

[Anonymous No.11658329]

>>11654779
If a black woman author got an award for her work's merit and not as part of some SJ conspiracy, how would you know?

[Anonymous No.11658334]

>>11658329
A good indicator would be whether the work was actually good.

I think it's safe to say that in this instance, that's not the case.

[Anonymous No.11658365]

>>11658317
>>11654025
Well fuck me, I didn't even see this. Life's full of coincidences.

[Anonymous No.11658392]

Any comfy space adventures with crew book? It's been a while since I've read one that wasn't mindless shooting left and right the whole book. I don't mind some shooting, but it gets tiring if there's no downtime in between. Besides, if a crew gets into that much dangerous situations (military aside), then they probably aren't very smart to begin with. I'd rather have some adventuring and exploring instead.

[Anonymous No.11658405]

>>11658392
The Expeditionary Force books are good for that, but I'd say they border on YA in terms of complexity and characters.

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>>11658223
Based. I enjoy his stuff

[Anonymous No.11658674]

>>11654553
>More military sci-fi recs please
"Dread Empire's Fall" by Walter Jon Williams.

[Anonymous No.11658683]

>read TSMD, Demolished Man, Roadside Picnic
any other recommendations?

[Anonymous No.11658690]

>>11657241
He was supposed to realise the full second book this time last year.

[Anonymous No.11658741]

>>11658674
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11658875]

One of you metrosexuals make a new thread or else

[Anonymous No.11658885]

>>11655211
Not the first time she’s plagiarized, but she’s one of SFWAs little darlings so very likely nothing will come of it.

[Anonymous No.11658886]

>>11658875
Or else what? Why can't you make the new thread?

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>>11658875
>metrosexuals
>being attracted to subways

[Anonymous No.11658932]

>>11658886
He will suck five cocks every hour until a new thread is made. Don’t make him do it!

[Anonymous No.11658938]

>>11658924
I've only seen tramsexuals.

[Anonymous No.11658947]

>>11658924
>being attracted to subways
For me it's tuna and onion

[Anonymous No.11658969]

>>11658947
>eating at subway
i bet you eat at burger kind or mc donalds too, faggot.
fucking fastfood plebs. kindly an hero.

[Anonymous No.11658976]

>>11658969
I don't like burgers.

[Anonymous No.11658994]

>>11654402
The first is good, the second was excellent and the third was average.

[Anonymous No.11659048]

>>11658317
They are enjoyable aka worth pirating and worth reading but like I've said a few times book 3 is a let down after such a great buildup.

The best authors of 2017/2018 in my opinion that never got a mention are:
Fantasy
>Ada Palmer - Terra Ignota (Political scifi)
>Bradley Beaulieu - A Song of the Shattered Sands (more traditional fair but middle eastern)
Scifi
>Jasper Fforde - Early Riser (Psychological)
My favourite 2018 book by far.

[Anonymous No.11659088]

>>11659048
>Jasper Fforde - Early Riser (Psychological)
Oh, so he got another book out, cool.

[Anonymous No.11659111]

Feanor did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.11659117]

>>11659048
>worth pirating and worth reading
If a book isn't worth reading if you pay for it then it's not worth reading if you didn't.

[Anonymous No.11659139]

>>11659117
But from this we can come to the conclusion that cost of a book does not matter? That if you were willing to read something for free, you'd be willing to read it for five bucks - or ten, or twenty bucks.

It's quite wrong: anything has a price where it becomes not worth it. Sometimes that price is zero: in that case, you might as well check it out to see what the fuss is about, for you won't lose a thing then.

[Anonymous No.11659149]

>>11659139
No, I'm saying a shitty book doesn't magically get better because you got it off #bookz you fuck.

[Anonymous No.11659160]

>>11659149
Not that anon, but I think what he means is that it's good enough to read, but not to pay for. Getting it for free doesn't make it better, but it removes the one hurdle that might have prevented you from reading it.

[Anonymous No.11659191]

>>11659160
>good enough to read, but not to pay for.
And exactly how "good" is something that you wouldn't pay for? Do you see how retarded of a statement that is?

[Anonymous No.11659248]

>>11659191
I know I am late to the party but it's not about the money per se. It's about your investment in the book and just how much energy you are willing to invest to get your mitts on it.
Hopping on to mobilism/#bookz to skim it quickly - good enough to read.
Actually paying for the damn thing with the CC number, mails and receipts - probably not.
Bare in mind I avoid books written by black women with the chips on their shoulders the size of Texas. It's really not my fault you are black.

[Anonymous No.11659259]

>>11659191
>And exactly how "good" is something that you wouldn't pay for?
It doesn't have to be "good", it just has to interest you enough to want to read it without the risk of spending money. Think of it like a free trial.

[Anonymous No.11659307]

>>11659248
>it's not about the money per se
Except money was the axiom for whether or not you should read it

>Hopping on to mobilism/#bookz to skim it quickly
Going on #bookz, searching for the book/author, waiting for the download prompt for the results to appear, extracting the results, going through the results to get the version you want, copy and pasting that back into hexchat, and then waiting for the download to appear again takes as much time as actually buying the damn book.

>It's really not my fault you are black.
Oh, now I'm black for pointing out how retarded it is to read a shitty book because you got it for free? Stop huffing aerosol cans.

>>11659259
>It doesn't have to be good
My fucking god.

[Anonymous No.11659348]

New thread niggers.
>>11659336
>>11659336
>>11659336

>>11659307
Oh don't be like that. I was just fukin' wid ya dawg.