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Never read philosophy before, just opened beyond good and evil and I'm fawking lost already.

He's talking about the will to truth.

Should I ditch this and SWTG instead?

Thanks /lit/

>> No.11638619
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11638619

>>11638601

>Never read philosophy before,

There's your problem, newfriend. We all gotta start somewhere, and your place is right at pic related

>> No.11638630

>>11638601
If Nietzsche is too hard for you than you should abandon philosophy and read other things. If you're lost with Nietzsche, Spinoza would kill you. And Kant's volumes would probably burn up in your hands.

>> No.11638634

>>11638601
Give Genealogy of Morals a shot. If you can't hack that, then I guess you can go back to the Greeks.

>> No.11639739

>>11638601
just read the fucking book

>> No.11639743

>>11639739
Listen to him, he's right.

>> No.11639763

>>11638601
Christa Acampora's Reader's guide should help you a lot.

>> No.11639770

>>11638619
Herodotus > Thucydides

There is nothing wrong with flavorful storytelling of history and nothing wrong with historical revisionism.

>> No.11639771

>>11638619
It's the Peng*in Cla*sics shill again

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>> No.11640576

>>11638601
Are you me at 16?

>> No.11640650

>>11638601
>>11638630
Don't listen to this guy. Jump straight into Hegel and Zizek instead. You'll be fine.

>> No.11640669

Just keep reading, it starts to make way more sense as he builds up his views. Read it through completely without stopping to get the gist of what he is talking about then if you want to understand it better go through the parts that aren't outdated music and national shit

>> No.11640707

>>11638601
What you’re trying to do is like doing multiplication without knowing how to add. You need to start from the beginning and work your way up.

>> No.11640732

>>11638619
why do you fucks expect people to just jump straight into the deep end like this? Attempting to start from such a low baseline just kills any modern correspondence for newbs trying to understand why anyone should ever bother reading phil. and its not difficult to imagine youLARPing as someone who actually read all those books to assert yourself in some shitty /lit/ intellectual hierarchy so please just fuck off

>> No.11640741

>>11640732
This. Unless you’re really serious about philosophy, just read some guides of this early stuff to get a basic understanding of their ideas (stanford encyclopedia of philosophy is pretty good) and then read stuff you’re interested in like Nietzsche.

>> No.11641039

>>11640741
But it's fun to make people think they have to spend years and years reading stuff they don't care about before they can read what they do care about

>> No.11641048

>>11641039
The point is that if you don't know shit about philosophy in the first place you have no real reason to care about Kant or Nietzsche or whatever. That's like asking a 7 year old if he cares about linear algebra. Plus Plato is actually pretty fun/fascinating to read and a great introduction to philosophy.

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>>11638601
Unironically start with Ancient Greek philosophy. You can’t do calculus without knowing algebra. Nietzsche is calculus

>> No.11641429

>>11641048
I don't dispute that Plato/the Greeks in general are a good place to start, or that having some philosophical knowledge is useful to understanding any given text. The only thing I take issue with is when people insist you have to read everything that came before a certain thinker before you can read them

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11641441

Read it, then read the SEP entry for Nietzsche, then read it again, then read some secondary lit, then read it again. That's a pretty neat cover btw.

>> No.11641843

>>11640732
>why do you fucks expect people to just jump straight into the deep end like this?
>t. Literally complainig because couldn't "jump straight to the deep end"
YOU go fuck right off, faggot, every philosopher writes directly or indirectly in response to previous philosophers, going like this all the way back to Thales of Miletos, so stop being lazy, tell Nitxee you'll come back later and
start
with
the
greeks

>> No.11641867

>>11638619
Start with Whitehead and work your way back through Descrates, then read difference and repetition, learn the cutting edge of theoretical biology, learn HoTT, then you will be ready to start with the greeks

>> No.11642019

>>11641429
OP is asking for help reading Nietzsche. His exact problem is that prior knowledge of the history of western philosophy is a prerequisite for being able to understand Nietzsche. Considering his problem recommending other works of philosophy to read first not only makes sense it is the only sensible option.