/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11637758]

Is Paris still the artistic and cultural capital of the world?

[Anonymous No.11637760]

Not as big as it used to be. Milano and Jew York have catched up

[Anonymous No.11637763]

Paris? more like Uganda amrite

[Anonymous No.11637772]

it hasn't been for decades, wtf op

[Anonymous No.11637776]

>>11637763

[Anonymous No.11637779]

god i wish

[Anonymous No.11637792]

>>11637758
It's LA or San Fran, although the art isn't very good

[Anonymous No.11637794]

>>11637792
>US west coast

Haahahahahahahah

[Anonymous No.11637806]

>>11637794
god i wish the laughter made him wrong

[Anonymous No.11637812]

Just got back from a stay in Paris for 2 weeks. It's definitely a must visit at least once in your lifetime. The problem is because of how many damn tourists visit, which I believe is over 8 million a year, all the areas that are beautiful and have historical importance are absolutely swamped with people. There are tourist traps everywhere. The city was obviously never built with this in mind and therefore it gets unbelievably busy during peak and even shoulder seasons. It's definitely not what it once was.
Makes me wonder how badly the rise of tourism for middle class people has ruined cities and areas.

[Anonymous No.11637829]

Imagine living in that shithole. Ugh, just imagining all the brown faces, smog and American consumerism gives me the shivers.

[Anonymous No.11637839]

>>11637806
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Anonymous No.11637849]

>>11637812
I think about this whenever I travel, am an aristocratfag. When I travelled with my elder family members, they bitched quite a bit because the Louvre and Prado were drowning in people even in the most exclusive seasons.

Personally I am happy all this foreign capital comes to my beloved Spain, at the small price of allowing the commoners to gawk at us.

[Anonymous No.11637851]

No. It has become way too expensive for that. Same with London or New York. There is no longer an artistic and cultural capital of the world.

[Anonymous No.11637853]

>>11637829
Rich people like myself don't need to use the metro

[Anonymous No.11637858]

>>11637849
There is no real aristocracy in Spain, same as Germany. Everybody and his dog is a noble of sort.

[Anonymous No.11637863]

Kek doesnt exist anywhere in the modern west.

[Anonymous No.11637876]

>>11637853
That's not where rich people live in Paris. They live in US-style McMansion gated communities areas such as villa Montmorency.

[Anonymous No.11637883]

the current cultural and artistic capital of the world is Baghdad

[Anonymous No.11637886]

>>11637758
No, it's a post colonialist paradise. In other words, an African slum.

[Anonymous No.11637898]

>>11637858
My negro, I'm speaking of literal titles and estates. Sure we're not as wealthy as we used to or could be, my family played into the esteryotype of lazy spanish aristocrats.
So whilst I am not Amancio Ortega, I have shaken his hand.

[Anonymous No.11637924]

>>11637898
But you are right on that universal nobility meme. Basically every spaniard can find some highborn ancestor with ease, the entire vasque community is born into the lowest grade of inheritable nobility (hidalgos)
So when I said the commoners can gawk, I meant the foreigners.

[Anonymous No.11637925]

[Anonymous No.11637938]

>>11637886
The French-born black people are absolutely fine. It's the recent immigrants from Africa and Middle East that are the problem.

[Anonymous No.11637961]

>>11637938
That's interesting. In America we seem to have the opposite problem. The traditional black "african americans" tend to exhibit extremely high rates of crime, violence, and unemployment, while the African immigrants tend to be polite, educated, and respectful. In the US, it seems like 90% of our African immigrants are nurses from Nigeria.

[Anonymous No.11637978]

>>11637938
That is poorly worded. The French born blacks from the French overseas territories are ok though cost a lot to the treasury. The French born blacks whose family came from Africa within the last 60 years are utter shit. Recent black immigranst from Africa are just plain shit.

[Anonymous No.11637982]

>>11637961
The African immigrants you get in America are usually the local 1%ercenter.

[Anonymous No.11638213]

>>11637812
This, people complain about the blacks and Arabs (and by people I mean retarded midwesterners who have never left the US) but anyone who’s ever been to Paris or any other major European city knows the worst are the fucking soulless retard Asian tourist hordes

[Anonymous No.11638218]

>>11637758
Lmao, it hasn't been artistically relevant for 50 years now.

[Anonymous No.11638219]

>>11637938
>The French-born black people are absolutely fine
You must live in a parallel universe.

[Anonymous No.11638286]

>>11638219
Stromae's quite good

[Anonymous No.11638307]

>>11637853
i came

[Anonymous No.11638312]

>>11638213
pretty weird that Paris Syndrome is a distinctly Japanese one lol

[Anonymous No.11638329]

>>11638213
>trying to view Van Gogh at Musee D'Orsay
>endless bumping and budging of Asians trying to take a photo of it and not even looking at the actual painting itself

I fucking hate 99% of tourists.

[Anonymous No.11638336]

>>11637961
You get the good ones, we get the scum.

Kind of like how any Mexican you would encounter in Europe would certainly be middle to upper class, but all the lumpenproles can just walk into the US.

[Anonymous No.11638338]

>>11638286
He's Belgian, King Leopold knew how to raise them right.

[Anonymous No.11638342]

>>11638286
First off he's Belgian, secondly he's a mullato, thirdly he was entirely raised by his white mother.

[Anonymous No.11638363]

>>11638213
>>11638329
The Asians with selfie sticks in Europe disgust me. Some of the older ones are based.
I remember I was backpacking in Spain and some thots tried to take a selfie in front of an altar in a 500+ year old church. The old priest came out and BTFO them.
Vapid tourism is disgusting. I took 600 pictures and I was only in 5. I haven't put them on social media because I don't have any.

[Anonymous No.11638368]

>>11637853
totally fucking awesome

[Anonymous No.11638375]

>>11638342
>>11638338
Well I take back my previous post, franco-negroes should be exported.

[Anonymous No.11638668]

>artistic and cultural capital
Is any post WWII country even a candidate for this?!
Art and culture died half a decade ago, we're all still waiting for the second renaissance

[Anonymous No.11638673]

It's probably the USA still. I did this thing that calculated where all the bands you listen to are from and the majority were easily from the US

[Anonymous No.11638680]

Tourism ruined Paris. Everything is expensive. Everything is catered to tourists. Real estate and general cost of living is astronomical. Migrants with no culture and no respect for French culture are coming in by the thousands. Neighbourhoods once hotbeds of artistic and cultural development are now gentrified tourist traps and real artists could never afford to live there. The streets are dirty and stink. Corporations like McDonalds and Starbucks are slowly but surely expanding and the famous cafe culture is on the decline. Not that you would want to eat at the famous cafes anymore (Les Deux Magots, Cafe de Flore) because they are now overpriced tourist traps.

The Paris of yesterday is no more. Forget it.

[Anonymous No.11638713]

>>11637758
No, its been Los Angeles

https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/usa/california/articles/los-angeles-named-the-art-capital-of-the-united-states/

You cant underestimate how a huge sprawling city with Hollywood at its center is going to bring the artists to it

[Anonymous No.11638720]

>>11637758
No, it was supplanted by New York in probably 1920.

[Anonymous No.11638733]

>>11638720
No way 1920s. Perhaps 60s onwards. Perhaps.

[Anonymous No.11638749]

>>11638673
McArt

[Anonymous No.11638759]

>>11638713
art and culture =/= entertainment
why do amerimuts not understand this, fuck your hollywood you nigger

[Anonymous No.11638768]

>>11638673
>be american
>listen to music from the americas and other english-speaking countries

really gets the noggin joggin

[Anonymous No.11638819]

>>11638759
Entertainment is part of art and culture, no one said it is all of art and culture. Los Angeles has more artists in it than any other city in the history of mankind and produces art that goes farther than whatever you decide is "actually" art

[Anonymous No.11638829]

>>11637760
what does milano have except gay clothes?

[Anonymous No.11638833]

Theres no cultural capital anymore. While Milan, Paris, New York, Berlin, Vienna are still „cultural“ they arent as potent as they used to be because of the internet. You can basically sit in Bielefeld and be inspired by a Band/Weiter from New York because you open their homepage. The cultural capital died with the death of the cultural café and the salons

[Anonymous No.11638834]

>>11638819
high art =/= [>] low art
whatever you amerimuts come up with as """"""""art""""""""""' is equivocal to rap music
~~~ you nigger

[Anonymous No.11638849]

>>11638834

[Anonymous No.11638853]

>>11637853
gaudy, get some taste bruv

[Anonymous No.11638857]

>>11638833
This

[Anonymous No.11638873]

>>11638849
you are still a nigger, amerimut

[Anonymous No.11639363]

>>11637812
>>11637849
The Revolt of the Masses as predicted by Ortega

[Anonymous No.11639484]

>>11638833
So THIS has become the cultural and artistic capital of the world? How depressing. On the other hand maybe it's still Paris by default.

[Anonymous No.11639541]

>>11639363
He's an underrated philosopher in anglo circles. Ortega y Gasset's raciovitalismo is a fine school of thought.

But aside from him, maybe Unamuno, and the odd Gracian here and there, spanish philosophy is lacking tremendously. However I attribute both Seneca and Marcus Aurelius to Spain's contribution, and those two men fill in the gap.

[Anonymous No.11639609]

/lit/ is the literary capital of the world. It's certainly not a physical city anymore and of all the literary-focused forums with high post-rates (a capital implies numbers) it's the least shitty.

[Anonymous No.11639621]

I live in Paris and I can count the number of people I know who read literature on one hand

[Anonymous No.11639631]

>>11639621
Sad, m8

[Anonymous No.11639643]

is french a hard language to learn?
I am taking it as an elective in school

[Anonymous No.11639669]

yes. go to the outskirts. pure lit culture.

[Anonymous No.11639682]

>>11639621
Can you also count the number of people you know on one hand tho

[Anonymous No.11639685]

there is no longer such a thing as the "artistic and cultural capital of the world." art and culture are among the number of victims of technological centralization.

i for one am more than happy to leave this unnecessary, chauvinistic paradigm behind as a historical footnote to a bygone era

[Anonymous No.11639703]

>>11639682
I said people I know, not friends or girls....

[Anonymous No.11639722]

>>11639643
No joke, 80% of the French pop can't apply basic grammar rules or have decently accurate spelling, you see language mistakes quite commonly in papers, magazines, ads and television. I think we have an education problem but it's also fair to say that French is complicated, totally worth learning though.

[Anonymous No.11639735]

>>11639685
>as a historical footnote
where youre going there will be no footnotes, much less histories, anon. But have fun.

[Anonymous No.11639741]

>>11639722
An absolutely god-tier language, after some reading experience anyone can see grammar and pronunciation is mostly consistent.
It's so good countries make french an official tongue just to join their big boy club.

[Anonymous No.11639745]

no
hasnt been for decades

[Anonymous No.11639754]

>>11637812
>The city was obviously never built with this in mind
Was any city ever built with mass tourism in mind?? (genuinely curious)

[Anonymous No.11639775]

>>11639741
Yes it's true. It's very consistent which makes it rewarding when you master the rules

[Anonymous No.11639852]

>>11639754
Arguably LA and without a doubt Las Vegas and Miami.

[Anonymous No.11639914]

>>11639754
>>11639852
>Was any city ever built with mass tourism in mind?

Definitely, Las Vegas. I wouldn't include LA but you could make an argument for Miami.

[Anonymous No.11639991]

>>11637763
This guy gets it

[Anonymous No.11640052]

>>11639914
>Definitely, Las Vegas. I wouldn't include LA but you could make an argument for Miami.
Las Vegas makes sense. Why / why not LA and Miami. (again, curious)

[Anonymous No.11640428]

>>11637758
Paris has never been the artistic or cultural capital of the world.

[Anonymous No.11640510]

>>11637763

[Anonymous No.11640533]

>>11637758
no, 4chan is.
dark times

[Anonymous No.11640643]

>>11637758
Not anymore

[Anonymous No.11641215]

>>11640428
B8

[Anonymous No.11641218]

>>11637792
Is this a joke? California is a cultural wasteland.

[Anonymous No.11641257]

>>11639852
>>11640052
I can't speak for Miami but the planned tourist parts of LA amount to like three blocks in Hollywood and two in Beverly Hills. Disneyland too I guess but that's in another county and a private venture, not a city planning decision.

[Anonymous No.11641332]

>>11637760
Milan is utterly irrelevant. The people don't even dress that well there.

[Anonymous No.11641340]

[Anonymous No.11641343]

>>11641340
imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.11641464]

>>11641343
of your mom's basement??

[Anonymous No.11641487]

Paris?
never heard of it

[Anonymous No.11641816]

>>11637812
I've been living in Paris for the last 12 years. You can enjoy the city without feeling the tourist shit. It's just an overcrowded area. Paris intra muros has a density of 20 000 inhabitants per square kilometers,this unique in Europe. You'd have to go to Asia to find a place this dense.

[Anonymous No.11641821]

>>11637886
Drepanocytose check are performed only on non white children. This is pointless data

[Anonymous No.11641844]

>>11638733
Nope. You just got
>gatsbyed

[Anonymous No.11641963]

>>11641340
where are all the french people?

[Anonymous No.11641970]

>>11641963
ARE YOU SAYING NOT ANYONE CAN BE A FRENCHMAN? ARE YOU A RACIST? ARE YOU SAYING THAT FRANCE HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN MULTICULTURAL? I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW MY HANDICAPABLE BLACK GRANDMOTHER FOUGHT IN WORLD WAR BATTLEFIELD 2 SO THAT YOU COULD BE RACIST ON THE INTERNET SO NOW YOU HAVE TO STOP DOING IT

[Anonymous No.11641987]

I’m whant to visit Paris but I’m afraid ill be drowned in the mud, its not like it was back in the old days, is it? What’s the high art capital of Europe (with an overwhelming white majority?)

[Anonymous No.11642097]

>>11641963
You're lookin' at them, sweetie

[Anonymous No.11642198]

>>11641340
This is the equivalent of walking through a Chinatown and being like LOOK AT ALL THE ASIANS THAT'S ALL THAT IS HERE NOW

The black people in Paris tend to live in poorer suburbs where this metro stop is located

[Anonymous No.11642208]

The West is dead, its art and culture with it.

[Anonymous No.11642222]

>>11642198
Imagine it being the other way around though. Say you went to Shanghai and saw nothing but white people. That would be weird, right?

[Anonymous No.11642223]

>>11637758
It's New York now. Not even a debate.

[Anonymous No.11642229]

>>11642208
So the whole concept of nirvana is basically eastern envy of how chill and dead the west is?

[Anonymous No.11642231]

>>11642198
Wouldn't it be weird if you went to Tokyo, enjoyed the Japanese culture, but when you go there again, 30 years later, 25% of the people there are Greeks ?