/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11634630]

Why does /lit/ never discuss Borges? What do you think of his idea that short stories are the superior format?

[Anonymous No.11634654]

>>11634630
I had a short attention span

[Anonymous No.11634709]

>>11634630
He was right, what else is there to say

[Anonymous No.11634718]

>>11634709
I dont know, how about his "magic" realism is the best genre too?

[Anonymous No.11634733]

>>11634630
>use /lit/ for two days
>Why does /lit/ never discuss Borges?
fuck off, lurk moar
hidden

[Anonymous No.11634735]

>>11634630
it is objectively impossible to shit on his fiction

doesn't leave /lit/ with much to do

[Anonymous No.11634746]

>>11634735
>he thinks borges wrote fiction
Heh

[Anonymous No.11634834]

>>11634733
desu threads about B are frequent but discussion is still nonexistent

[Anonymous No.11634918]

>>11634746
>we all exist within a dream

[Anonymous No.11634925]

The Library of Babel preemptively BTFO all the people today who have a metaphysics of 'information.' Absolute legend.

[Anonymous No.11634947]

>>11634918
"We are the dreamers"
-willy wonka

[Anonymous No.11635603]

>>11634630
I was surprised at how much he liked Chesterton, I didn't find anything terribly remarkable about the Father Brown stories.

[Anonymous No.11635633]

>>11635603
Have you read The Man Who Was Thursday? That strikes me as more the kind of thing I could see Borges enjoying. It's a real head trip.

[Anonymous No.11635637]

>>11634630
I think he didn't have that idea. Where did you take it from? Where did he mention it?

Borges clearly thought, like every single person who's sane of mind, that poetry is much superior to prose. In his Harvard lectures he even calls the novel a 'degeneration of the epic'. Furthermore, he regarded his poetry as being superior to his short-stories, and in a sense I think he's right: with the exception of ten or five of his prose masterpieces, his poetry usually holds more of that which, for a lack of a better term, I will call the eternal than his fictions do.

LA LLUVIA

Bruscamente la tarde se ha aclarado
porque ya cae la lluvia minuciosa.
Cae o cayó. La lluvia es una cosa
que sin duda sucede en el pasado.

Quien la oye caer ha recobrado
el tiempo en que la suerte venturosa
le reveló una flor llamada rosa
y el curioso color del colorado.

Esta lluvia que ciega los cristales
alegrará en perdidos arrabales
las negras uvas de una parra en cierto

patio que ya no existe. La mojada
tarde me trae la voz, la voz deseada,
de mi padre que vuelve y que no ha muerto.

[Anonymous No.11635640]

>>11635603
I believe he didn't think those stories were the best part of his work.

I might be misremembering things. I haven't read Chesterton yet, so I didn't pay much attention to what Borges wrote of him when I read it.

[Anonymous No.11635651]

We average at least one thread on Borges a week, OP. In fact, I would never have read Borges if it weren't for /lit/. Where the fuck have you been?

[Anonymous No.11635652]

>>11635603
Anyway, you have to keep in mind Borges is pretty much a modernista (turn of the century) writer at heart, not a modern one in the Poundian sense, although he has certainly been appropriated by the modernists. He was a man of the 19th century who loved Carlyle, enjoyed Tennyson and Stevenson, and thought Robert Frost was the greatest American poet of his age. He was right in all of that, of course, but the moderns will forever deny it because they need to protect their incompetence somehow.

I wonder what he would have thought of Gomez Davila. He would probably have loved him.

[Anonymous No.11635684]

>>11635637
Todo bien con Jorgito y sus opiniones, pero dejemos de romper los huevos. Su poesía era, siendo generosos, mediocre. Realmente, para saber cómo uno es, hay que preguntarles a los demás; la opinión que uno tiene sobre sí mismo evidentemente es tan miope que no vale una mierda.

[Anonymous No.11635699]

>>11635652
>He was a man of the 19th century
¿Anduviste leyendo a Piglia? En "Respiración artificial" dice básicamente lo mismo. Leete la segunda mitad (que es la única que vale la pena de esa novela tan despareja).

[Anonymous No.11635774]

>>11635633
Yeah, it's been a while since I read TMWWT, but I was thinking that the Father Brown stories were most influential to Borges', especially since so many of his short stories are essentially mysteries.


>>11635640
I strongly recommend picking up some of Chesterton's essays. Try In Defense of Skeletons, A Piece of Chalk, What I Found in My Pockets, A Much Repeated Repetition, and On Laying in Bed.

>>11635652
He had surprisingly simple tastes for someone you see on /lit/ all the time. Or maybe he never truly mastered English.

[Anonymous No.11635790]

>>11635774
>maybe he never truly mastered English
... Borges tradujo a Carroll a los nueve o diez años. Tenía un dominio del inglés con el que el anglo analfabeto funcional promedio sólo puede soñar.

[Anonymous No.11635793]

>>11635790
Then explain why he liked children's books and doggerel.

[Anonymous No.11635822]

>>11635793
Porque no era un pelotudo pedante que disfruta leyendo 1000 páginas sobre un tipo tirándose un pedo mientras se hace la paja. Era de la clase de literatos - hoy en día extinta - a la que le gustaba narraciones en donde de hecho ocurre algo.

[Anonymous No.11635850]

>>11635684
A poesia de Borges não me parece nem um pouco medíocre. Pelo contrário: seus versos apresentam uma capacidade de condensação muito elevada. É um tipo peculiar de poesia: neoclássica pela objetividade e impessoalidade, característica que ele também apresenta nos seus contos; e, ao mesmo tempo, sutilmente lirica, devido à sua atentíssima orelha para os sons do verso. Todavia, não me surpreende que poucos gostem de seus poemas: numa era onde o latim deixou de ser ensinado e aprendido, esse tipo de poesia cai cada vez mais em desuso e torna-se estranho para nós.

Robert Graves, creio, foi um poeta similar.

>>11635699
Não. Foi Borges mesmo quem falou que era um homem do século XIX, numa entrevista.

[Anonymous No.11635857]

>>11635850
>Portingales in a Borges thread

This is too far.

[Anonymous No.11635860]

>>11635774
Borges gave lectures in English at Harvard. He had a peculiar accent, but you could tell he was a native speaker. His grandmother was English.

Callings his tastes simple is very simplistic of you. Borges didn't read to show off, he read for pleasure and learning.

[Anonymous No.11635868]

>>11635857
Borges era um enorme admirador de Camões e Eça de Queiroz. Inclusive, afirmou que O Primo Basílio é melhor do que Madame Bovary.

Além disso, ele tinha sangue português.

A Luis de Camoens

Sin lástima y sin ira el tiempo mella
Las heroicas espadas. Pobre y triste
A tu patria nostálgica volviste,
Oh capitán, para morir en ella

Y con ella. En el mágico desierto
La flor de Portugal se había perdido
Y el áspero español, antes vencido,
Amenazaba su costado abierto.

Quiero saber si aquende la ribera
Última comprendiste humildemente
Que todo lo perdido, el Occidente

Y el Oriente, el acero y la bandera,
Perduraría (ajeno a toda humana
Mutación) en tu Eneida lusitana.

[Anonymous No.11635873]

>>11635637
how is one supposed to appreciate spanish poetry

>>11635603
he was one of those people who think much of detective stories, I guess you either get it or you don't

[Anonymous No.11635877]

>>11635868
No te gastes respondiendo a polackos idiotas que están al pedo y baitean de puro aburridos. Seguí escribiendo portugués que se entiende bien. Me gustan tus posts.

[Anonymous No.11635902]

>>11635873
>you either get it or you don't
True that, I think even the most well-crafted detective story is FUCKING BULLSHIT.

[Anonymous No.11636311]

He doesn't seem to get described as a horror writer, but he's one of the best horror writers.