Conservative Books

[Anonymous No.11620606]

>In a 1928 letter to a mutual friend of T.S. Eliot, Virginia Woolf wrote:
"I have had a most shameful and distressing interview with dear Tom Eliot, who may be called dead to us all from this day forward. He has become an Anglo-Catholic believer in God and immortality, and goes to church. I was shocked. A corpse would seem to me more credible than he is. I mean, there’s something obscene in a living person sitting by the fire and believing in God."


https://youtube.com/watch?v=cgaOVV4JQHA

I have posted a conservative reading chart before, but I was asked for a starter program. So here is my suggestion. Start with "Edmund Burke: The First Conservative". Excellent introduction to conservatism, and explains why Burke was conservative as opposed to just an antirevolutionary liberal.

After that, if you are of a democratic persuasion (I am not), I suggest The Natural Family: A Manifesto. Not the online pamphlet, but the 200 page book.

Other titles you should read to start with (order is unimportant)

"After Liberalism", by Paul Gottfried
"A Disquisition on Government "
"The Concept of the Political"
"The Culture of Narcissism"
"On the Generative Principles of Political Constitutions" (it is very short and even atheists will appreciate it)

A Discord for /lit/ conservatism
https://discord.gg/c5Vga4E

[Anonymous No.11620618]

>>11620606
Conservatism is retarded, especially today when the status quo is so toxic.

[Anonymous No.11620625]

>>11620618
>>11620606
Holy shit, that list is pure cancer.

A true rightist starts with Plato, not fucking Burke.

[Anonymous No.11620627]

>>11620606
so gay...

[Anonymous No.11620640]

>>11620625
Basically, this proves that Chesterton was right and the sole purpose of conservatism is to impede the healing of the damage that leftism has inflicted on European civilisation, to let that wound fester.

All Anglos must be genocided. You're honorary kikes.

[Anonymous No.11620648]

>>11620640
It goes without saying that I really, truly doubt you actually understood anything de Maistre wrote.

[Anonymous No.11620652]

wtf?!? I hate virgina wolfe now!!

[Anonymous No.11620659]

>>11620606
based Virginia

[Anonymous No.11620786]

>>11620618
This is about paleoconservatism, not neoconservatism

>>11620625
I'm pretty sure most people on this board have read Plato. If you were reading him as "essential right wing literature", that would be pretty sad. It would be like reading Shakespeare because he's "right wing"

[Anonymous No.11620808]

>>11620786
>This is about paleoconservatism, not neoconservatism
They're the exact same shit. Neocons didn't even exist in the early 20th century when Chesterton made that remark.
You're a bunch of cowards who view yourself as "the salt of the earth" but are weak and submissive. Conservatism is intrinsically effeminate / reactive.

[Anonymous No.11621046]

>>11620808
Huh? The term "paleoconservative" was not coined in his lifetime

I don't really see myself as "salt of the earth", I just, as an American, identify with Gilded Age Republicans, politically speaking (let's not forget this era was unprecedented in testing of social conservativism; prostitution and abortion for example were widely legal until then). I guess the closest party to my sentiments here is the Constitution Party, but I am somewhat to the right of them, favoring a complete replacement of property tax with poll tax.

[Anonymous No.11621101]

>>11621046
>The term "paleoconservative" was not coined in his lifetime
The term is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.11621120]

>>11621101
And by the way, I was right to call you one of those pushovers who view themselves as the "salt of the earth". All I can say is, good riddance.
And with that I'm out of this thread.

[Anonymous No.11621131]

>>11621120
>>11621101
Cringe

[Anonymous No.11621154]

>>11621101
Don't really see how

>>11621120
Thanks, but please make posts that are higher quality next time instead of just getting spittle everywhere

[Anonymous No.11621711]

>>11620618
>American Conservatism
lol, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.11621732]

HAHAHAHA Schmittfag even has his own gay little discord now? dear lord

[Anonymous No.11621738]

>>11620606
All you need is
>Kuehnelt-Leddihn

[Anonymous No.11621798]

>>11621711
I would argue that America currently has the last serious conservative presence in the West

>>11621738
He's excellent, really made me understand the problems of Prussianization of Germany

[Anonymous No.11621873]

>>11621798
What about Poland, Italy, Hungary, and Austria? They are way more conservative that America.

Besides, American conservatism is neoconservative liberalism crafted by Jews.

[Anonymous No.11621879]

>>11621873
When I say Italy, I refer to Matteo Salvini and the strides he's been making

[Anonymous No.11622367]

>>11621873
First two, sure. Austria, eh.

Neoconservatism is dead now, at least here

[Anonymous No.11622369]

>>11622367

Poland and Hungary I mean

[Anonymous No.11622395]

>>11622367
>>11622367
>>11622369
neoconservatism dying is not a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.11622406]

>>11621873
Conservatism is a chiefly Anglo ideology. Poland, Italy, Hungary and Austria do not have conservative movements except insofar as they are poisoned by the Anglosphere, the current cultural hegemony.

Do not mistake the genuine continental right wing movements for Anglo conservatism.
>>11622367
Conservatism has always been neoconservatism. Anglos have been Judaizers since Oliver Cromwell, if not earlier.
Case in point, most 'Murrican males have cut dicks.

[Anonymous No.11622421]

>>11622406
So be it that the name conservatism has a stench.

What I want is a traditionalism. An assention to the natural aristocracy and the natural law.

I see that in those countries, at least the humble beginnings

[Anonymous No.11622487]

>>11622395
I agree

>>11622406
Conservative as a term for a political camp originated in France ("conservatif") to describe those for the Bourbon Restoration, such as Louis de Bonald. The Konservative Revolution was an important German movement. Franco, Salazar and Dollfuss were all examples of conservative European leaders.

[Anonymous No.11622493]

>>11622487
>Conservative as a term for a political camp originated in France ("conservatif") to describe those for the Bourbon Restoration, such as Louis de Bonald.
That movement died almost as soon as it sprang up.

> Franco, Salazar and Dollfuss were all examples of conservative European leaders.
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.11622587]

>>11622493
R I G H T. They were absolutely the followers of Juan Donoso Cortés, possibly consciously so

[Anonymous No.11622606]

>>11620808

[Anonymous No.11622612]

>>11622587
No.

[Anonymous No.11622619]

>>11622612
Have you read him? Or Carl Schmitt?

[Anonymous No.11622631]

>>11622619
Don't change the subject. To claim that Franco or Salazar were "conservative leaders" is fucking dumb. They were revolutionaries.

[Anonymous No.11622655]

>>11622631
How exactly are those mutually exclusive?

>Novelty is not the only source of zeal. Why should not a Maccabeus and his brethren arise to assert the honour of the ancient law, and to defend the temple of their forefathers, with as ardent a spirit as can inspire any innovator to destroy the monuments of the piety and the glory of ancient ages? It is not a hazarded assertion, it is a great truth, that when once things are gone out of their ordinary course, it is by acts out of the ordinary course they can alone be re-established. Republican spirit can only be combated by a spirit of the same nature: of the same nature, but informed with another principle, and pointing to another end. I would persuade a resistance, both to the corruption and to the reformation that prevails. It will not be the weaker, but much the stronger, for combating both together. A victory over real corruptions would enable us to baffle the spurious and pretended reformations. I would not wish to excite, or even to tolerate, that kind of evil spirit which invokes the powers of hell to rectify the disorders of the earth. No! I would add my voice with better, and I trust, more potent charms, to draw down justice and wisdom and fortitude from heaven, for the correction of human vice, and the recalling of human error from the devious ways into which it has been betrayed. I would wish to call the impulses of individuals at once to the aid and to the control of authority. By this, which I call the true republican spirit, paradoxical as it may appear, monarchies alone can be rescued from the imbecility of courts and the madness of the crowd. This republican spirit would not suffer men in high place to bring ruin on their country and on themselves. It would reform, not by destroying, but by saving, the great, the rich, and the powerful.
Cont

[Anonymous No.11622663]

>>11622655
>Such a republican spirit, we perhaps fondly conceive to have animated the distinguished heroes and patriots of old, who knew no mode of policy but religion and virtue. These they would have paramount to all constitutions; they would not suffer monarchs, or senates, or popular assemblies, under pretences of dignity, or authority, or freedom, to shake off those moral riders which reason has appointed to govern every sort of rude power. These, in appearance loading them by their weight, do by that pressure augment their essential force. The momentum is increased by the extraneous weight. It is true in moral, as it is in mechanical science. It is true, not only in the draught, but in the race. These riders of the great, in effect, hold the reins which guide them in their course, and wear the spur that stimulates them to the goals of honour and of safety. The great must submit to the dominion of prudence and of virtue, or none will long submit to the dominion of the great.

>"Dis te minorem quod geris imperas."

>This is the feudal tenure which they cannot alter.

-Edmund Burke

[Anonymous No.11622704]

>>11621120
how can someone this histrionic have the gall to call anyone else effeminate? bizarre

[Anonymous No.11622713]

read mcluhan desu

[Anonymous No.11622999]

>>11620606
Maistre is not conservative. It's time to abandon that word. He was a monarchist and a reactionary. Conservatives imply fighting innovation instead of using modern tech to protect a way of life.

[Anonymous No.11623024]

>thread instantly derails into bickering over the true meaning of conservative

[Anonymous No.11624382]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11624579]

Which should I start with Schmitt?

[Anonymous No.11625279]

>>11622999
Eh? What is Gustave Le Bon? Who is Henry Adams?

>>11624579
It's in the OP

[Anonymous No.11625286]

>>11623024
scott adams is a massive tool

[Anonymous No.11625658]

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.11625832]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11625872]

>>11625832
Let it die. Conservatives have no place on /lit/

[Anonymous No.11625931]

>>11621798
How much of a fucking brainlet do you have to be to think that America is conservative? I spit on your worthless liberal shithole, your exported degeneracy is ruining youth in Europe. FUCK AMERICA.

[Anonymous No.11625942]

>>11625872
You have no place on /lit/

[Anonymous No.11625951]

laffin at this shit thread and its inherent sympathy towards burgeristanism

[Anonymous No.11625960]

>>11625951
Laughing at this shit post and its inherent sympathy towards pointlessness

[Anonymous No.11625978]

>>11625960
>no u
peak arguments

[Anonymous No.11626231]

clean your room

[Anonymous No.11626234]

Dumb thread desu

[Anonymous No.11626239]

>>11625978
I'm guessing there was no argument to reply to, but I can't be certain since it was apparently worthy of removal.

[Anonymous No.11626245]

>>11626234
Dumb post desu.

[Anonymous No.11626252]

bump

[Anonymous No.11626311]

>>11625931
I never said America is conservative, just that conservatism has an actual political presence here

[Anonymous No.11626415]

bump for justice

[Anonymous No.11626601]

>>11626415
Seconding this

[Anonymous No.11626710]

>>11626252
>>11626415
Thanks friends.

[Anonymous No.11626730]

Bumping again. Don't let leftists ruin this for us.

[Anonymous No.11626769]

Was Burke pro-monarchy? What's good monarchist apologetics I can read? Would that fall under "conservative"?

[Anonymous No.11626787]

>>11622663
What book is this from?

[Anonymous No.11626799]

The turner diaries

[Anonymous No.11626870]

Has anyone here read Antoine de Saint Exupery's "Citadelle"? I wonder whether that would be considered conservative literature. It's quite good.

[Anonymous No.11627114]

>>11626769
There is some Hoppe out there that might interest you.

[Anonymous No.11627122]

What is the conservative answer to the capitalist question?

[Pooposter !LP5FjppZsU No.11627128]

>>11620606
The poo diaries

[Anonymous No.11627313]

>>11627114
what's the tl;dr? If it sounds interesting I'll look into it

[Anonymous No.11627528]

>>11625931
>I spit on your worthless
Why do europoors always sound so low class and hysterical lol

[Anonymous No.11627539]

>>11620606
>I mean, there’s something obscene in a living person sitting by the fire and believing in God."
> kills herself

really makes you think

[Anonymous No.11627762]

>>11627313
Of which of Hoppe's works? I've read a few and know a decent bit about the others.

[Anonymous No.11627810]

>>11626769
>Was Burke pro-monarchy?
Extremely. The French Revolution made him hate democracy, and turned him from a constant opponent of King George into a devoted royalist (and King George likewise spoke very highly of Burke after the latter wrote Reflections). Other key royalist shills are Maistre and Hoppe

[Anonymous No.11627823]

>>11622395
This

[Anonymous No.11627828]

Conservativism is dumb. There I said it.

[Anonymous No.11627882]

>>11627828
Interestingly minimalist dialect

>>11627122
Depends on which strain of conservatism

>>11626787
It's from his letters

[Anonymous No.11628086]

>>11627828
This post is dumb. There I said it.

[Anonymous No.11628112]

>>11627762
Whichever covers his pro-monarchy arguments best I guess.

[Anonymous No.11628290]

>>11628112
Not him, but obv "Democracy: The God that Failed"

[Anonymous No.11628410]

>>11628290
ok, but what's the tl;dr? what's the main thrust of his argument?

[Anonymous No.11628967]

pity bump

[Anonymous No.11629199]

>>11627882
What are some good conservative strains, books, and answers that are more anti-capitalist in nature?

[Anonymous No.11629407]

>>11625286
>massive tool
Big jobs.

[Anonymous No.11630016]

>>11628410
It's not a promonarchy book, more like a monarchy is superior to democracy but worse than anarchy book. He's an ancap, albeit his own brand of it. Basic idea is about ownership. One treats one's own property and success with more care than the 'public's'

[Anonymous No.11630607]

>>11630016
ok cool, definitely not wasting my time with that book. thanks

[Anonymous No.11631479]

>>11630607
Cringe and bluepilled.

[Anonymous No.11631694]

>>11631479
im not wasting my time with autistic political theory. conservatism is based in nature and the divinely ordained order of the world, not in theoretical speculation. i was looking for a book that touched more on that.

[Anonymous No.11632502]

bump

[Anonymous No.11632509]

>>11627122
Conservativism aims to conserve capitalism and remove any aspects of leftism.

[Anonymous No.11632678]

Cmon don't let this die guys

[Anonymous No.11632945]

>>11629199
The Natural Family: A Manifesto (the full book)
The Servile State
The Great Transformation

Tory Democracy, Distributism

[Anonymous No.11632958]

>>11631694
Not him, but Hoppe is very much into that

https://mises.org/library/6-production-law-and-order-natural-order-feudalism-and-federalism

[Anonymous No.11633405]

>>11632958
thanks, anon. im too used to associating labels like "an-cap" with abstract theoretical autism, but i'll try to be less dismissive of hoppe

[Anonymous No.11633519]

>>11626769
>>11627810


how did neither of you mention Leviathan?

[Anonymous No.11633573]

>>11633519
Because it rests upon the idea of a monarch deriving his authority from popular consent. In actualization and policy, Hobbes is absolutist, but in underlying theory his perspective if closer to Locke's

[Anonymous No.11633661]

>>11633573
ahahaha how the fuck is absolute authority by popular consent even real. just stop consenting. like nigga just dont acknowledge his authority haha

[Anonymous No.11634492]

>>11633661
>literally advocating treason
Reported

[Anonymous No.11634509]

>>11621120
>I bid you adieu

[Anonymous No.11635140]

>>11633661
Ah yes, my favourite contemporary political philosopher, Tyler the Creator.

[Anonymous No.11635195]

>>11626769
Anything by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn.

[Anonymous No.11635598]

>>11635195
he sounds REALLY interesting, thanks for the recc based anon

[Anonymous No.11635688]

>>11635195
check em

[Anonymous No.11635693]

>>11635688
aw damnit forgot the image

[Anonymous No.11636142]

>>11635693
Who is this?

[Anonymous No.11636374]

faggotry and cancer, as far as the eye can see.

[Anonymous No.11637098]

>>11636142
that's Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn.

[Anonymous No.11637456]

>>11633661
t. Étienne de la Boétie

[Anonymous No.11638113]

>>11636374
Great post

[Anonymous No.11638393]

>>11627810
You have no clue what you're talking about lol. Burke was consistent in his opposition to the misuse of the royal prerogative and the political power of the monarch in extremis throughout his entire life.

As Burke himself pointed out, the debate following the French Revolution was not about the relative value of monarchy and democracy as systems, but about the new divide between 'the party of Conservation' and 'the party of the Jacobin'.

His advocacy for the monarchy in later life stemmed only from the fact it was part of the British status quo. Burke is not advocating for monarchy, but concurring with Montesquieu that the natural system of laws and government in any nation is uniquely suited to that nation and should be replaced hastily with another. If Britian had traditionally been a republic, he would have argued in favour of a preservation of that system of governance as a matter of course - he is by no means a monarchist.

[Anonymous No.11638415]

You guys have your own board, why do you have to shit up /lit/?

[Anonymous No.11639004]

>>11638415
Why do you have to shit up this thread?

[Anonymous No.11639087]

>>11638393
Spot on. Burke even admits that there may be times when unqualified democracy is the desirable option, and that not all monarchy is expressed in a healthy way, but that the French approach is entirely wrong, and should not be held up as a guiding principle.

>>11632509
if you think old school conservatives have any more love for bankers than they do for liberals, you are mistaken

>>11626799
Might as well cut to the chase and read an FBI training manual since only Feds and people under surveillance take that book seriously