/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11604497]

What did this guy think about Jews?

[Anonymous No.11604499]

>>11604497
We don't talk about "this guy" here.

[Anonymous No.11604511]

>>11604499
/his/ doesn't know anything about philosophy. Plus appreciating prose for its own sake is /lit/erary.

[Anonymous No.11604518]

>>11604511
You're absolutely right. /lit/ is the board for philosophy.
We just do not mention Foucalt here. It is taboo.

[Anonymous No.11604517]

He loved the Iranian people and revolution. He also liked Deleuze, who oftly speaks in favor of the palestine people. So you can guess that he wasn´t much in favor of jewish people.

[Anonymous No.11605389]

called out zog

[Anonymous No.11605400]

>>11604517
Paradoxically, he himself was pro-Israel, despite it being at odds with his (only initial, I think) support for Khomeini. His relationship with Deleuze suffered as a result of the latter supporting the PLO.

[Anonymous No.11605742]

>>11604517
he didn't like the Iranian revolution. He rolled up in there expecting an anti-capitalist revolt and fresh boipucci running amok on the streets and then found out it was a religiously motivated traditional uprising

[Anonymous No.11605884]

Nietzschean, and therefore anti-Semite. I do not remember anything good about the Jews in his books.

[Anonymous No.11605903]

>>11604518
Why is this so? It's played out to be true, no one can have a conversation on this man. In fact, it seems as though most who love to argue on him have never read a single work of his. Why does he attract this kind of attention?

Is it really as simple as the fact that he's gay, and it triggers /pol/? And he was a "crypto-normativist" which triggers /leftypol/?

[Anonymous No.11605919]

>>11605903
fukoh was a gay scientist

[Anonymous No.11606082]

What would Baudrillard or Derrida have thought of this?

[Anonymous No.11606104]

>>11605903
You'll learn one day. There's a reason we don't talk about he-who-ought-not-be-named on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.11606143]

I don't think he was about in-grouping certain groups together based on arbitrary things and judging them.

[Anonymous No.11606187]

Foucault was a leftist globalist commie who welcomed the destruction of the west with open arms.

[Anonymous No.11606218]

>>11606143
What about groups that behave collectively within hierarchies?

[Anonymous No.11606308]

>>11605884
Nietzsche was probably the biggest philosemite of the last 200 years

[Anonymous No.11606319]

>>11606308
Lol. The slave revolt in morals began with the Jews.

[Anonymous No.11606339]

>>11606308

That's propaganda. Nietzsche respected the jews but he wasn't fond of them. Genealogy of Morals basically paints the jews as the worst people that have ever lived. In Gay Science he accuses them of 'judaizing' Europe (by inventing and ingraining the concept of sin)

Nietzsche basically concurred with the ancient consensus on jews as expressed by Tacitus. What he despised were Germans, specifically the sort he identified his sister with.

Nietzsche's anti-antisemitism therfore had a personal rather than an intellectual basis. In recent decades this has been suppressed and distorted by Kaufmann and his ilk in trying to rehabilitate Nietzsche's image. Nietzsche's hatred of antisemites is highly irrational and bordering on pathological, in addition to being at odds with his actual philosophy.

[Anonymous No.11606373]

>>11606339
>What he despised were Germans, specifically the sort he identified his sister with.
where can i read more about this

t. never picked up a neetzsche tome

[Anonymous No.11606457]

>>11606373

From Nietzsche, you can read the first Untimely Meditation (Uses and Disadvantages of History for Life), Beyond Good and Evil (specifically the chapter on Peoples and Fatherlands), Twilight of the Idols (What the Germans Lack/What I Owe to the Ancients), and Anti-Education, which is basically a screed against the German educational system of his day.

As aforesaid, biographers, translators, editors and commentators have been suppressing the nastier passages of Nietzsche for decades. Hollingdale is the most faithful and impartial translator. Kaufmann was a real philosemite who had fits every time Nietzsche said something vaguely antisemitic.

[Anonymous No.11606471]

>>11606457

If you want to know more about about Nietzsche's personal information issues with antisemites, read the biography by Curtis Cate. It's the best one by far.

[Anonymous No.11606476]

>>11606471

personal issues with*

[Anonymous No.11606488]

>>11606457

Ecce Homo also has many anti-German passages scattered throughout

[Anonymous No.11608020]

He's Jewish

[Anonymous No.11608099]

>>11606339
I never realized the bit about Tacitus, thanks for that. It's interesting the way a trained philologist can't help having 2000 years old opinions.

[Anonymous No.11608121]

>>11605400
K
>>11605742
fuck off he did support the iranian revoltion

[Anonymous No.11608140]

Someone on /pol/ said he was Jewish himself and /pol/ is always right about these things.

[Anonymous No.11608145]

>>11608121
He supported the Iranian people's right to make their own choices. It's not simply that he supported what they were doing.

[Anonymous No.11608177]

>>11604497

Too busy dying of aids to worry about jews

[Anonymous No.11608251]

>>11606319
He literally advocated for the expulsion of all antisemites from Europe. He is a self proclaimed "anti-antisemite".
>The slave revolt in morals began with the Jews
yes, and this self-reflexive resentment made mankind into a more fully realized subject. N was not someone you can clearly boil down like that.
>>11606339
>being at odds with his actual philosophy
>implying antisemites aren't literally the culmination of judaeo-christian-resentment
>implying the Jewish population in Europe weren't being Chad ubermenches by existing through sheer will to power

[Anonymous No.11608316]

>>11608251

He preferred Jews to Germans, that doesn't mean he preferred them in general.

> Those qualities may even be dangerous and frightful in a special degree in his case; and perhaps the young Stock Exchange Jew is in general the most repulsive invention of the human species.

Jews are like garlic, a very pungent ingredient that is inedible on its own and has to be used sparingly in the preparation of dishes.

[Anonymous No.11608322]

>>11608316
kid i eat full cloves straight out of the earth

[Anonymous No.11608327]

>>11605903
Mostly cause his work is painful to read through. Brings up so little new ideas (which ideas were covered by better philosophers), which he spreads out over a 200 page book. Don't even get me started about when he starts talking about history.

[Anonymous No.11608328]

>>11608316
Good analogy. Life without garlic bread, like Spielberg films, would be pointless. Thank God for the wonders of the world.

[Anonymous No.11608374]

>>11608251

The fact that Nietzsche's anti-antisemitism flared up in a frankly ludicrous fashion after his mental breakdown shows that it was already on the far side of unhealthy, at least psychologically.

[Anonymous No.11608391]

>>11605903
dude. SHHH. We DON'T talk about him

[Anonymous No.11608573]

>>11606082
>the media
>the entire world
>not being run by Anglos

[Anonymous No.11608580]

>>11608573
Considering they've done nothing but lost influence the last 5 decades it's curious to ponder who's taking their place.

[Anonymous No.11608585]

>>11608573
Considering they've done nothing but lose influence the last 5 decades it's curious to ponder who's taking their place.

[Anonymous No.11608587]

>>11608580
nobody really. Jews have their place, anglos have their place, minorities are kind of given a weird voice and lots of money but still considered as children in most senses, it's kind of just an erasure of authority.

It seems like shit just kind of happens now in a way that the ambiguous poltiical structures effect vague whatevers in their particular domains, none of which are really cohering with each other, and probably leading to some kind of fundamental crisis.

[Anonymous No.11608630]

>>11608587
>it's kind of just an erasure of authority.
In an era of more mass media than ever this statement is patently absurd. Are you serious, narrative and the news cycle have declined despite the ubiquity of social media powered smartphones? This defies basic observation.

[Anonymous No.11608632]

>>11605903
>Bro, history, right?
>History is just power relationships. Like, bro. For real.
>Like mentally ill people? Yeah man, they had it so much better in the Renaissance. Madmen were respected, bro. Respected. Today, man, they toss them in these facilities to try and cure them. Nothing's progressed bro. Progress, man, is, like, a capitalist system. TVs and medicine and shit? All bullshit. Things were so much better in the Renaissance.

There is literally no single thing that man wrote that does not play out exactly like that. It's fucking hideous that he's taken seriously at all, by anyone.

[Anonymous No.11608643]

>>11608630
>narrative and the news cycle have declined
no they definitely have not, but what the people think never really matters unless they are actively rebelling

by authority i mean a dictator like figure, who is controlling things, and a multiplicity of underling dictators who control their portions. We have moved away from that to a vague rule by unsure bureaucracy where nobody is aligned and nothing is made sense of. I think it will end badly

[Anonymous No.11608703]

>>11608643
>what the people think never really matters unless they are actively rebelling
Isn't the whole point of democracy to burn off revolutionary energy through the process of gradual change according to popular narratives?
>by authority i mean a dictator like figure
How does media not fulfill the exact same function?
>nobody is aligned
Really, like not even implicitly?

[Anonymous No.11608736]

>>11606319
nietzsche didn't think that was a bad thing you fucking pleb

[Anonymous No.11608741]

>>11608703
>he whole point of democracy
my friend we are in very different places, democracy is a complete joke that cannot exist. It is mostly forwarded as a way of placating the masses
>>11608703
>How does media not fulfill the exact same function?
the media, in concert with academia, and the state department and related branches of the government, are exactly this tyrant. But it is a schizophrenic tyrant without a clear head or goal, generally just degrading into madness
>implicitly?
definitely implicity, they are all on the same team, but they don't really understand what the team is. This decade it's blacks, the next it's gays, the next, trans. You get the gist. This has been happening since authority was first taken from a king.

what's more is this is natural, there is no turning back history, this is how civiliazations always die

[Anonymous No.11608764]

>>11604497
>OP starts thread about 'Fuck-all' (named for his contribution to philosophy)
>entire thread descends into educating an idiot about Nietzsche
I'm OK with this actually.

[Anonymous No.11608902]

>>11606308
He wanted his readers to learn to beat them at their own game, without appropriating their tribal tactics.

[Anonymous No.11609432]

>>11608121
Dumb k poster

[Anonymous No.11609884]

>>11606319
>>11606339
>>11608316
>being this mistaken about the neech
the absolute state of /lit/ this summer

[Anonymous No.11609916]

>>11609884
So what was he's actual view on jews?

[Anonymous No.11609963]

>>11609916
I'm sorry, could you rephrase the question in legible English?

[Anonymous No.11609969]

>>11609884
>>11609916
why are people so incapable of understanding Nietzsche's views on Jews? He didn't like the common form of antisemitism in germany, because he saw it as essentially populist and filled with ressentiment. But he didn't like Jews either, he shits on them all the time for various reasons. Like most things he had a nuanced opinion and praises them for some of their qualities.

The point being if you were to repeat word for word what Nietzsche said about jews today in germany you would be 100% accused of antisemitism, just a different variety than the usual Nazi type of antisemitism.

christ it annoys me that people can't grasp this

[Anonymous No.11609984]

>>11606339
>What he despised were Germans
Damn. Nietzsche was /ourguy/

[Anonymous No.11610001]

It's more the ideas the groups are associated with than the actual group themselves. Being Jewish doesn't automatically mean you act in a certain way but some might be part of a larger group of ideas that they share in common

[Anonymous No.11610006]

Why do you guys care so much about Jews? In Foucault's time they were hardly noticeable from the rest of Europe's population.

[Anonymous No.11610017]

>>11610006
>In Foucault's time they were hardly noticeable from the rest of Europe's population.
>.15 October 1926 – 25 June 1984
yes there were certainly no events centred around the question of jewish identity in europe during this period

[Anonymous No.11610033]

>>11610017
kek

[Anonymous No.11610057]

>>11608736
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.11610222]

>Claim AIDS is just an American invention to keep blacks and homosexuals down
>die of AIDS

[Anonymous No.11610235]

>>11604517
all the french intellectuals are rich leftists so plenty of them love the Palestinians

[Anonymous No.11611222]

>>11610057
hmm...?

[Anonymous No.11611304]

>>11609884

t. Kaufmann

[Anonymous No.11611546]

>>11610235

so true... even the jewish ones.

as a jewish left-wing intellectual myself I feel cucked by my arab-cock-sucking brothers.

[Anonymous No.11611554]

>>11611222
Absolutely wrong.

[Anonymous No.11612062]

>>11611554

[Anonymous No.11612105]

>>11605903
read paglia's essay junk bonds. tldr fucko was a plagiarizing pseud only remembered for his bald head, turtle necks, and penchant for anal fisting

[Anonymous No.11612153]

>>11612105
leave anal fisting out of this, don't put such exquisite practice along the sayings of a derailed turtle.

[Anonymous No.11612198]

what triggers leftypol is implying that everything would be the same or worse in leftist empowerment if you don't free your mind of i-don't-know-what. basically it was another option when people still wanted to end oppression but didn't like marxisism-leninism that much.
but really, after marx this thing is annoying.
>>11608632

[Anonymous No.11612201]

>>11608632
thats not even what he says he talks about the Ship of Fools, which incidentally is a fucking hilarious thing that Europeans used to do that

[Anonymous No.11613585]

>>11604497
he thought they had small hands

[Anonymous No.11613614]

>>11604497
E. Micheal Jones outlines Foucault's "deal with the devil" clearly.

[Anonymous No.11614200]

>>11610057
kill yourself brainlet

[Anonymous No.11614417]

>>11604497
Biggest and most important question that has yet to be answered tho


Was he Top or Bottom?

[Anonymous No.11614695]

>>11608741
bro, are you serious? you don't find it a little weird that America just happened to destroy all the enemies of Israel within a decade? the only one left is Iran and going to war with them for no reason is in the news everyday.

[Anonymous No.11614903]

>>11612105
Didn't Paglia say that she heard from a friend of a friend who was Foucault's best friend that he knowingly spread AIDS and "wanted to take out as many people with him?" (Foucault's alleged own words)