philosophy to counter elon musk

[Anonymous No.11603405]

elon musk is a creepy transhumanist. what are books about defeating the materialism inherent in his ideology's desperate plea to survive for as long as possible, even if it means subjugating our experience to the whims of corporations?

[Anonymous No.11603449]

bump

[Anonymous No.11603570]

It's not really a body of philosophy, so there's no need, as most of his "followers" tend to not, in actuality, support the constructions of a transhumanism, instead diverging into the different branches of utopian means; there is no failure of a self-consciousness, since there is no essence of progress implied of realization. Essentially, Bruno Bauer was correct: self-consciousness has already existed in unity with itself. However, we should also propose, from the contents of a utopian quality within this transhumanism, that the Marxist philosophy is religion is incorrect, by this position: the failure of self-consciousness assumed in Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right is not related of a stagnant body within a social process, thereof a dialectical development (in some form), but is rather posed of the continuations existing in the internal body of religion, that being of your idea of Musk's transhumanism (it should also be supposed that, by this conception of faux-religious formation, that there is no quality indicating itself as related in any clear, religious movement). Since the very contingency of this transhumanism does not have a particular predicate from earlier, direct philosophies (if we were to assume that a transhumanist philosophy is different from an accelerationist schema, which is another argument in itself), then it would be so zombified as to purport nothing; it assumes no relation of the current living, and the eternal, nor does it continue an aspiration by anything other than the predictive form of technological advancement, which is itself a contingency. Therefore, as said before, the very quality of it does not exist beyond the branches of replacement: a desired effect of revered ideas, without the continuance implied to the studies of those ideas. The object of transhumanism works into the social stability, fails concurrently during any status of instability, and henceforth defines itself as barren without a timely support.

[Anonymous No.11604416]

Bumping furry instead

[Anonymous No.11604654]

What's wrong with transhumanism? If you live for hundreds of years, you have hundreds of years to master a bunch of skills and read several thousand of books without having to dedicate several hours a day. We just don't live long enough to do all that, aging is a disease that must be cured. And that doesn't mean you can't die because you still would have that choice

[Anonymous No.11604667]

>>11603570
Work on your prose.

[Anonymous No.11604673]

>>11604654
>implying a transhumanist species would actually be capable of relating to knowledge and history of its human ancestors once it has become sufficiently 'perfect' and alienated from the 'imperfect' human form
You're naive if you believe transhumanist would be a true continuation of the human species. It would only be a replacement.

[Anonymous No.11604674]

Nietzsche's Birth of Tradegy

[Motoko No.11604680]

You sound like you're 15 years old

[Anonymous No.11604694]

>>11603405
Paul Virilio is an anti-acceleratist pro-humanist philosopher.

[Anonymous No.11604699]

>>11603405
Not a book, but the movie galaxy express 999 expresses anti-transhumanist themes.

[Anonymous No.11604709]

>>11604673
>capable
It'd be capable of whatever it likes. Just like today, some people don't defer to their ancestors at all, and most don't outside of very recent. Indeed, most people don't even care about present-day ongoings.

[Anonymous No.11604715]

>>11603405
>elon musk is a creepy transhumanist
Is he? Seems like a poorly-read businessman if anything. Not transhumanist at all.

[Anonymous No.11604720]

Doesn't matter, we'll be dead before we stop aging or are forced to flee to mars.

[Anonymous No.11604730]

>>11603405
>pro-humanist

[Anonymous No.11604746]

I support Musk's SpaceX endeavours as a means to drop the cost of getting stuff into orbit down. Why? Because, ironically, space may be the only means to provide those at unease with modernity, monoculture, and transhumanist tendencies to find an escape.

Space enables, in the medium to long-term, the construction of isolated and largely autonomous communities. It enables the end of Earth-bound scarcity that encourages ever-further optimisation and consolidation. It enables us to escape the territorial exhaustion problem, thus allowing those who aren't born into wealth or are anomalies on the genetic lottery to have a chance of owning land of their own.

While I don't support a lot of Musk's vision relating to the continuation of corporate hegemony in space, I think the establishment of man in space will show that it will not be a reality *in the long run*.

Ultimately, the future I want - a future of small, rooted, and rooted communities - is unlocked only by creating new territory in space that is free from the consolidating effects of land on Earth.

The rush towards transhumanism is based upon the need for the human spirit to have a meaningful target of experiences. Transhumanism offers to replace this with a pleasant facsimile. A movement towards space colonisation (a philosophy which I dub 'stellarism'), replaces this target with terra nullius.

[Anonymous No.11604812]

>>11604667
>>11603570
also use paragraph breaks. i was interested in what you had to say and probably would have read your whole post if it wasn't just a big wall of text

>>11604654
quick brainstorm, not an exhaustive list:
- if you dont die you never transcend the mortal plain
- if you dont die it means the corporations will make you work for an eternity as a silicon slave
- there is a possibility that consciousness only "really works" in our current meatspace bodies. this is the star trek transporter problem - when you get copied and uploaded to the matrix or whatever and your body is destroyed, what remains isn't really "you", it's just a clone who acts like you
- focusing on escaping earth will turn earth into a nightmare through the an increased consumption of resources

but my real reason isn't logical. transhumanism just feels icky to me.

[Anonymous No.11604862]

Heil National Transhumanism!

[Anonymous No.11604908]

>>11604694
> pro-humanist

He's a Catholic.

[Anonymous No.11604911]

>>11603405
I don't know any books for it, but if you want an argument against transhumanism, that I tend to use, remind them that, assuming transhumanism is achieved under a capitalist system, it will more than likely be exclusive to the incredibly wealthy for a decent period of time. The kicker is is that, unless hiring discrimination laws were passed against it (which would kill our international competition with less moral countries) people who've been altered in some way become infinitely more desirable workers, thus cementing the class structure to a nearly inescapable level.

Tl;dr Transhumanism in a capitalist system would fuck over poor people irrecoverably

[Anonymous No.11605010]

[Anonymous No.11605369]

>>11603405
how is he a transhumanist? isn't he even against it in the form of longevity

[Anonymous No.11605381]

>>11603449
do you think she lets him stick it in her pooper?

[Anonymous No.11605387]

transhumanism is inherently fascist
read nick land

[Anonymous No.11605528]

>>11604911
All developed states have a significant enough welfare safety net to require ageless youth be granted to all. Why? Because old people and their diseases are expensive. Over time their medical care will become the majority of government expenditures. It will become far cheaper to buy them immortality, thus capitalism will demand it.

[Anonymous No.11605541]

>>11604746
What you want is not transhumanism, but rather space ghettos. If we as a species were advanced enough to colonize the stars, we would probably be able to dispense altogether with the free-market, which causes the things you seem to want to avoid. Americans love to talk about scarcity when in actual fact they're (along with Europeans) the only swine who are consuming the Earth to death.

[Anonymous No.11605615]

>>11603405
pop-sci keeps making people believe in stuff that won't happen any time soon. they talk about reversing aging, but we still can't even fix common stuff like GERD or haemorrhoids, which have been known for long enough. The drive for AI/automation of jobs and tasks is another thing. They have been investing a lot in this and most corps now have only one agenda - cost reduction. It's like they don't realize that someone has consume all the shite that they can now produce so effectively...

[Anonymous No.11605649]

>Revelation 9:6
>And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

I fear this is the endstate of transhumanism

[Anonymous No.11605653]

>>11604908
>He's Catholic
You are saying that like it's a wrong thing

[Anonymous No.11605708]

>>11603405
Saying there is a "materialism inherent in his ideology" is disingenuous. The reality is that real transhumanists like him, as in the ones putting their ideas into actions, disregard the possibility of there being anything beyond this life entirely. You can't have a form of materialism without a form of spiritualism to divorce it from. Elon Musk and transhumanists like him, in other words, find this existence to be the spiritual one.

The general conflict here I believe was noted by Nietzsche to have started with Plato, who took pieces of the Pre-Socratics' philosophies and formulated them into what served as the basis for all metaphysical notions (which is where materialism vs. spiritualism starts). So, you could read Plato if you want, but you should also read Nietzsche, because he created a philosophy that opposes Plato's and now seizes the world.

[Anonymous No.11605752]

>>11605653
I think he's making the (not unreasonable) assumption that "humanism" implies the secular form

[Anonymous No.11606165]

>>11603405
Only the ignorant put a limit on knowledge. Technology is of man and man is holy. All that we create brings us closer to Point Omega. Knowledge stretches us beyond the Demiurge’s prison of air and stone.
The universe is fated to ascend towards a final point of divine unification.

[Anonymous No.11606189]

>>11604654
>What's wrong with transhumanism?
Nothing really, if its implented in a right pace, it will help humanity like no technology before it. Problem is how its implemented, because the abuse is real. Still I think that it will lead to more benefits than disadvantage. Technology solves problems, but also creates new ones. But the new ones are way smaller.

I especially support reasonable transhumanism (so no Singularity shit, but a futurism that accepts the lack of knowledge and complexity of the world) as it gives us new ways to experience the world.

[Anonymous No.11606239]

>>11604673
>implying today's humans are capable to relate to their ancestors
We live in a self contained post historical society

[Anonymous No.11606254]

>>11603449

I hope he made her shave her legs.

[Anonymous No.11606462]

>>11603405
The oil and gas companies hate him because he is disrupting their business. This is a circular argument.

http://poppsychotic.com/elon-musk-and-tesla-fights-the-unions/

[Anonymous No.11606689]

youre gonna blog twitter elon musk down? lol. grab your seats.

[Anonymous No.11606703]

>>11604812
>use reddit spacing
back

[Anonymous No.11606743]

>>11603405
>creepy
this is a board for men, sweetie

[Anonymous No.11606774]

>>11604667
Why should the quality of the writing matter if the contents of the text are able to answer the needs of the OP? It seems worthless to hone the writing specifically to solve a question that doesn't have value in its own discussion.

[Anonymous No.11606779]

>>11603405
Srimad Bhagavatam

http://www.krishnapath.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Srimad-Bhagavatam_By_A.C._Bhaktivedanta_Swami_Prabhupada.epub

[Anonymous No.11606791]

transhumanists will be met with a bullet in the head. why bother reading philosophy about it or engaging with them?

[Anonymous No.11607008]

>>11604715
This, he has some transhumanist opinions but he isn't a full blown transhumanist like Kurzweil, Bostrom or Sandberg

[Anonymous No.11607014]

>>11603405
Why? Transhumanism is a pretty based religion. I like its optimism. It does vary quite bit though.

[Anonymous No.11607079]

Holy fuck do you guys realize that Musk is dating the APEX women. She was reading HEIDEGGER in college.

[Anonymous No.11607410]

>>11606165
savedddd