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William Gibson plagiarizes from Nick Land confirmed

>> No.11602897

>>11602883
> implying that there can be brakes on capitalism
fucking brainlet

>> No.11602906

If you "remove all brakes from capitalism" then you get Switzerland; a country regularly ranked as one of the best countries to live in.

>> No.11602933

>>11602906
Yeah, with the money of corruption and the trafficking of drugs, humans and weapons that's laundered in your bank system is quite easy to enjoy the benefits.

>> No.11602939

>>11602933
lol yea because none of that is happening in the socialist utopia of Venezuela, right?

>> No.11602947

>>11602933
You've been watching too many movies.

>> No.11602969

>>11602939
So, if I don't think Capitalism is perfect and has inherent contradictions and injustices I should enjoy living in some "socialist" Africa-tier shithole? Are you by any chance Ayn Rand or Ludwig Von Mises reincarnated by any chance? Because such retarded arguments remember me of those clowns.

>> No.11602976

I think international sanctions are pretty big brakes.

>> No.11602981

Land didn't make the basic concepts of accelerationism first, Marx did that's why he says "Marxist Analysis"

>> No.11602984

>>11602969
>inherent contradictions and injustices
?

>> No.11603014

>>11602883
Oooh is Gibson gonna treat us with deadpan book about evil Russkie mind hackers?

>> No.11603024

>dude democrats will save us

Yikes

>> No.11603037

>>11602897
what is market regulation?
fucking retard

>> No.11603041

>>11603037
a feature of the capitalist system

>> No.11603049

>>11603037
Something that always gets removed as times go on?

>> No.11603051

>>11603014
like some kinda... neuro... mancer?

>> No.11603057

>>11603049
tell that to china

>> No.11603063

>>11603057
>China
Oh man you do realize who is leading China right?

>> No.11603074

>>11603063
based pooh bear, duh.

>> No.11603086

What is Singapore?

>> No.11603111

>>11603086
shithole

>> No.11603126

Why the hell are Democrats trying to paint themselves as nativists and playing on anti-Russian xenophobia? Do they think anyone actually believes this shit?

>> No.11603142

>>11603037
not a feature of the capitalist system

>> No.11603149
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11603149

>Land invented accelerationism

>> No.11603192

>>11603086
A more effective Venezuela

t.singaporean

>> No.11603357

>>11602883
>>

>> No.11603482

Is there any cyberpunk novels worth checking out besides the Sprawl Trilogy?

>> No.11603539

>>11602883
>William Gibson plagiarizes from Nick Land confirmed
Nah, its just the logical and inevitable "conclusion" to capitalism, just as Marx understood. Marx's theories of surplus value should be required reading for all economists.
And yes, i suck Michael Hudsons dick on a daily basis and own all his books.

>> No.11603541

>>11603482
bridge is pretty good

>> No.11603679

>>11603149
he's widely considered the father of accelerationism

>> No.11603750

>>11602939
Pack it up bois, he mentioned Venezuela, all of our arguments are now irrelevant.

>> No.11603756

>>11603750
>

>> No.11603759

>>11602906
also one of the most expensive, by a very large margin compared to its neighbors

>> No.11603771

>>11602883
>Russian Program
What the fuck? What is he even saying, Russia is still communist or something?

>> No.11603863

>>11603679
Widely considered by idiots. Accelerationism existed since the Victorian Era

>> No.11604164

>>11603149
>>11603679
Only by retards. He's not the father of it at all. I mean, maybe he popularised the term or whatever.

>> No.11604544

>>11603759
this is true, good standing middle class people from France or Germany can barely live there.

>> No.11604558

>>11603037
Not brakes, that's for sure.

>> No.11604575

>>11602906
Switzerland is a social-democracy

>> No.11604582

>>11603086
A dystopian shithole which became successful mostly due to it’s geographical location?

>> No.11604588
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11604588

Gibson is surprisingly dumb in many respects. He wants to write about near future as prescient analysis of present times, but he's totally bluepilled with most basic ideological and mainstream opinions and takes. Highbrow airport writer, enlightener of disinterested hipsters, master of pseudo-topics, happenings and underlying currents of the future. One step above the normies and ten behind anyone with any authentic interest in wider aspects of things.

>> No.11604597

>>11603049
The reverse is true. Even anti-regulation US has, over the decades, accumulated more regulations than it dropped.

>> No.11604620

>>11602883
It's the other way around.

http://is2.4chan.org/lit/1533981060365.png

>> No.11604623

>>11602883
What the fuck is this nigger talking about, the United States is ranked 18th in economic freedom.

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11604627

>>11603539
>Marx's theories of surplus value should be required reading for all economists.

>> No.11604664

>>11604627
lel

>> No.11605382

>>11602883

Russian Program?

>> No.11605403

>>11602883
other way round, anyone who has read any land knows he borrows heavily from gibson

>> No.11605432

>>11602897
lmao look at the chinese

>> No.11605958

>>11604588
you sound retarded

>> No.11605983

>>11603482
Schismatrix

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>>11602883
>William Gibson plagiarizes from Nick Land confirmed

brainlettante spotted

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>>11606003
This passage left a huge impression on Land and he's mentioned it elsewhere.

>> No.11606058

>>11604588
He's a boomer's boomer. Read his bio and try not to cringe at every sentence. I recall reading that in an interview he admitted to knowing nothing at all about real computers, true to boomer form, it's all just stage props for the same old infantile boomer political theology.

>> No.11606923

>>11604588
Honestly it makes perfect sense. Gibson is and always has been a domesticated liberal. His books read like mail-order catalogs and list more brand names than Stephen King paperbacks; he is obsessed with fashion, commerce, and the ways in which consumer products influence our behavior, and of course he holds progressive social views that celebrate social outsiders. He doesn't see Neuromancer as a dystopian horror novel, he sees it as a fascinating indication of what might be.

He is not scared or even particularly critical of the future; if anything, he embraces it. For all intents and purposes, he is an accelerationist like Land, but without the self-awareness.

>> No.11608234

>>11604575
>Switzerland is a social-democracy
and, surprisingly well regulated. It is not true free market, hands off, economics.

>> No.11608241

>>11604627
Chinese people are invading my mind with insane analysis of literary fan-fictions. I wouldn't trust anything Karl Marx has ever said.

>> No.11608372

His previous book the periphary or peripheral was influenced by NRx and he said as much although without naming it directly.

>> No.11608389

>>11608372
really?

>> No.11608416

People who think in terms of
>capitalism failed by necessity
>socialism failed by necessity
are dunces. A single unexpected catastrophe can destroy any economy, country, system, etc.. This darwinian outlook is stupidity because it assumes that death = inadequacy relative to competition whereas it simply means inadequacy in the face of something (that perhaps competition did not have to face).

That being said, all evidence suggests that capitalism is far better at dealing with unforeseen negative factors. The less regulations the better at doing so as well.

>> No.11608434

>>11608389
Yeah. He referred to them through some ungainly description like "new Internet tech reactionaries" and said they were the inspiration for his time-traveling silicon valley techno-aristocrats in the book, and the nrx guys on twitter lost their shit for a hot minute. This was before the Alt-Right has become a popular term in the media. They would put out a piece of neoraction every 6 month or so making fun of computer nerds who saw themselves as worthy of being kings and jurnos saw it as funny rather than threatening like they would with the alt-right a couple of years later.

>> No.11608438

>>11608416
>This darwinian outlook is stupidity because it assumes that death = inadequacy relative to competition whereas it simply means inadequacy in the face of something
you need a large sample size to start making statistical inferences about what works outside of freak occurrences(or perhaps also in relation to them).

Now I hate marxists in a way that I simply don't think about Marxism or talk to people about it becuse it brings out a side of me i dont want to exist, but socialism genuinely has not been tried enough times to make these sorts of statements about whether it works.

There are other, reason-based, arguments against that are very valid but point to the few historical examples is not a very good argument given the context in which socialism has been attempted.

>> No.11608442

>>11608438
also excuse my abysmal grammar in this post i am running off of very little sleep and food for like a week now