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[Anonymous No.11601914]

Who's the best French poet?

[Anonymous No.11601920]

>>11601914
Rimbaud ou Baudelaire

[Anonymous No.11601935]

>>11601914

This qt boy.

[Anonymous No.11602133]

>>11601914

[Anonymous No.11602143]

>>11601920
>>11601935
>>11602133
Je suis sûr que vous parlez même pas français bande de zouaves. OP, it's Hugo, and before him Villon. My favorite is Apollinaire.

[Anonymous No.11602222]

>>11602143
Eh excuse me. Leave the final authority on French poetry to us Pierre

[Anonymous No.11602229]

>>11602143
Si si. calme mec
mais en tout cas Baudelaire > Apollinaire

[Anonymous No.11602243]

Mallarmé. Valéry. Perse. Char. Michaux, même s'il est Belge.

[Anonymous No.11602247]

Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.11602468]

Villon is the most appreciated of their poets, I believe.

There are other candidates: Baudelaire, Rimbaud, Hugo, Ronsard, Valery and Mallarme, and perhaps Racine and Moliere if you choose to include playwrights.

t. someone just starting to study French poetry, so not a specialist by any means

[Anonymous No.11602475]

>>11601914
Me desu

[Anonymous No.11602480]

>>11602247
>shakespeare

More like Jacques Pierre, am I right?

[Anonymous No.11602498]

>>11601914
mon journal desu

[Anonymous No.11602508]

Do you guys know any French poetry in free verse?

[Anonymous No.11602551]

>all these plebs

[Anonymous No.11602554]

>>11602468
>Villon is the most appreciated of their poets, I believe.
I still have no idea why, and nobody can piece together any meaning from his surviving works

[Anonymous No.11602570]

>>11602551
Boursouflé à l'extrême, maladroit et pubertaire. Lis Perse si l'incantatoire t'intéresse.

[Anonymous No.11602581]

>>11602554
Because of his conciseness, his attention to real things (see his descriptions of the dead bodies) instead of abstract feelings and the fact that he gave a voice to the consciousness of the common Christian peasants (see the poem in homage to his mother). He is, in other words, very dantesque.

There are two opposite sides in modern (post-Medieval) poetry, the Dantesque and the Petrarchian - the first is concise and pays attention to objects, using vision to describe things; the other cares more about form and music than the things it's talking about, employing a lot of beautiful-sounding adjectives that tell little. Thus, we read hundreds of sonnets without ever getting an accurate description of what Laura really looks like - she's blonde and beautiful, okay, but what about the rest? Although Dante does not usually describe faces, he always describes body movement and scenery in extreme detail and with utter conciseness, so that we can actually see things extremely well.

Both ways of writing are important and have generated great authors, but usually the best poets write like Dante, while the best verse-makers write like Petrarch.

[Anonymous No.11602647]

>>11602570

>this pleb

[Anonymous No.11602695]

>>11602647
>muh precious little Lautréamont

[Anonymous No.11602704]

>>11602695

>this pleb

[Anonymous No.11602705]

>>11602695
>>11602647
Here's his only worthwhile contribution, btw : « La poésie personnelle a fait son temps de jongleries relatives et de contorsions contingentes. Reprenons le fil indestructible de la poésie impersonnelle, brusquement interrompu depuis la naissance du philosophe manqué de Ferney, depuis l’avortement du grand Voltaire. »

[Anonymous No.11602742]

>>11602229
Franchement toutes les ménagères et autres putes-à-art ont ruiné Baudelaire pour moi.

[Anonymous No.11602790]

>>11602742
>Apollinaire
Je ne suis pas l'anon à qui tu réponds mais (et je pose cette question sans malice) : Que trouves-tu donc à la poésie d'Apollinaire ?

[Anonymous No.11602791]

>>11601920
>>11601935
>>11602133
Rimbaud was a clever charlatan who knew what to write to wow his audiences. His poetry is empty and he was mostly a confused idiot teen (apart from seducing pseuds).

Sorry for completely destroying your world view.

[Anonymous No.11602805]

>>11602791
>Rimbaud was a clever charlatan who knew what to write to wow his audiences.
That bit is false, the rest is true.

[Anonymous No.11602823]

>>11602581
It does help not to look for musicality, thanks. Not that the rhythm is too bad

>Je congnois que povres et riches,
>Sages et folz, prestres et laiz,
>Nobles, villains, larges et chiches,
>Petiz et grans, et beaulx et laiz,
>Dames à rebrassez collez,
>De quelconque condicion,
>Protans atours et bourrelez,
>Mort saisit sans exception.

>Et meure Paris et Helaine,
>Quiconques meurt, meurt à douleur
>Telle qu’il pert vent et alaine;
>Son fiel se creve sur son cuer,
>Puis sue, Dieu scet quelle sueur!
>Et n’est qui de ses maulx l’alege:
>Car enfant n’a, frere ne seur,
>Qui lors voulsist estre son plege.

>La mort le fait fremir, pallir,
>Le nez courber, les vaines tendre,
>Le col enfler, la chair mollir,
>Joinctes et nerfs croistre et estendre.
>Corps femenin, qui tant est tendre,
>Poly, souef, si precieux,
>Te fauldra il ces maulx attendre?
>Oy, ou tout vif aller es cieulx.

[Anonymous No.11602866]

>>11602790
ça ne s'explique pas

[Anonymous No.11602875]

>>11602866
Allez, si. Une sorte de naïveté, je suppose.

[Anonymous No.11603000]

>this pleb

[Anonymous No.11604360]

Baudelaire is much better than those 19th century poets he inspired.

[Anonymous No.11604384]

Baudelaire is much better than those 19th century poets he influenced.

[Anonymous No.11604409]

Baudelaire is much better than those 19th century poets he plagiarized.

[Anonymous No.11604454]

>>11602570
>il ne reconnaît pas le mort reconaissant

[Anonymous No.11604521]

>>11604454
Tant de gesticulations, tant d’afféterie… De bien pompeuses déclamations. Il n’arrive pas à la cheville de Mallarmé.

[Anonymous No.11604552]

>>11604454
Ce pauvre déclamateur de soupente n’arrive pas à la cheville d’un Mallarmé. Je n’y puis rien.

[Anonymous No.11605074]

>>11604552
frangin, ça veut rien dire déclamateur de soupente.

[Anonymous No.11605096]

>>11605074
T’es débile, mon frère. J’entends d’ici son marteau rouilleux s’abattre sur la gueule ouverte du piano désaccordé; j’en frissonne d’horreur.

[Anonymous No.11605120]

Lucien de Rubempré

[Anonymous No.11605165]

>>11605074
C’est tel quel, mon minot. Apprends à lire.

[Anonymous No.11605189]

>>11602243
>Mallarmé. Perse. Char.
I like you.

>>11602143
Hugo sure is a devoted craftsman..

>>11602823
>Sages et folz, prestres et laiz,
>Nobles, villains, larges et chiches,
N'est-ce pas pourtant de la musique? Il balaie toute l'étendue du spectre sonore et ramène dans son vers populeux tous ses chers "frères humains". C'est bien là une étreinte sym-phonique.

>Quiconques meurt, meurt à douleur [...]
>Puis sue, Dieu scet quelle sueur!
Tout à fait brutal. Et puis cet amollissement ironique, ce fléchissement, cette galanterie postiche quand il est question de la femme ! Délicieux.

Also nobody mentioned La Fontaine yet, so I'll do it myself.

[Anonymous No.11605215]

Alain de Bosquet

[Anonymous No.11605261]

>>11605189
Tu écris bien.

[Anonymous No.11605270]

>>11602570
>boursouflé à l'extrême
>he knows what he's talking about

[Anonymous No.11605279]

>>11602551
Trop enfantin. Mais il a le mérite d'avoir essayé.

[Anonymous No.11605353]

>>11605189
Et comme souligne le grand Tzara : «La légèreté ironique et souriante, mordante et cynique des sarcasmes qu’il déploie, confère à ses appels une dignité que la verdeur de son langage ne diminue en rien.»

[Anonymous No.11605360]

>>11601914
guy on the left is trying his best to abstain from that boipucci

[Anonymous No.11605365]

>>11605189
Et comme l’a souligné le grand Tzara dans sa fameuse préface : «La légèreté ironique et souriante, mordante et cynique des sarcasmes qu’il déploie, confère à ses appels une dignité que la verdeur de son langage ne diminue en rien.»

[Anonymous No.11605657]

elie yaffa

[Anonymous No.11605696]

>>11605360
That's Paul Verlaine. He was actually RImbaud's lover for like two years.

[Anonymous No.11605745]

ITT: frogs

[Anonymous No.11606055]

Pierre Reverdy
Jules Laforgue

[Anonymous No.11606114]

>>11606055
Guillevic, aussi.