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Anonymous Wed Aug 8 12:42:08 2018 No.11589074 [Reply] [Original]

It's so dense

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 12:43:01 2018 No.11589079 Don’t mistake nonsensicality for density

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 12:44:07 2018 No.11589089 File: 20 KB, 220x278, ulysses.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11589074 It's so dense. Every single sentence has so many allusions going on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 12:46:16 2018 No.11589105 >>11589079 What's nonsensical in GR? I'm about 400 pages in and I don't think there's a passage yet which could actually be called that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:03:42 2018 No.11589214 >>11589105 >I don't think there's a passage yet which could actually be called that. >I don't think Theres your problem

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:04:46 2018 No.11589220 File: 33 KB, 323x499, 41EHZhquMoL._SX321_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it's like poetry, it rhymes

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:09:31 2018 No.11589232 >>11589105 wow

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:11:49 2018 No.11589240 >>11589079 >nonsense >in GR Have you considered that you might be a brainlet? Everything in that book is relevant. You're supposed to re-read to understand some of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:13:28 2018 No.11589247 I saw bananas and I clapped!

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:13:29 2018 No.11589248 there were two more turds, smaller ones

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:15:03 2018 No.11589255 >>11589089 For IJ, the recommended reading is obviously Hamlet. What the necessary for GR's comprehension?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:17:03 2018 No.11589263 >>11589074 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHOLFZnFa0w

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:19:29 2018 No.11589272 File: 182 KB, 1080x1194, 1528224654355.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >pynchon

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:26:40 2018 No.11589300 >>11589074 >>11589089 >>11589220 It's so thick and big, don't know if I can handle it.

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:47:47 2018 No.11589386

Just got past this part, thought this paragraph was beautiful as he thinks about the mice escaping their cages and singing: “They have had their moment of freedom. Webley has only been a guest star. Now it’s back to the cages and the rationalized forms of death—death in the service of the one species cursed with the knowledge that it will die…. “I would set you free, if I knew how. But it isn’t free out here. All the animals, the plants, the minerals, even other kinds of men, are being broken and reassembled every day, to preserve an elite few, who are the loudest to theorize on freedom, but the least free of all. I can’t even give you hope that it will be different someday—that They’ll come out, and forget death, and lose Their technology’s elaborate terror, and stop using every form of life without mercy to keep what haunts men down to a tolerable level—and be like you instead, simply here, simply alive…..” The guest star retires down the corridors.”

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 14:07:08 2018 No.11589482 >>11589255 at least two years' engineering education

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 15:01:12 2018 No.11589761 >>11589248 unironically my favourite passage

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 15:16:36 2018 No.11589827 >>11589386 what is with pynchon and matters vegetable animal and mineral

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 15:20:46 2018 No.11589848 >>11589300 even if it takes you years it's worth your effort challenge yourself, anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 15:25:05 2018 No.11589871 >>11589827 >matters vegetable animal and mineral Probably a Gilbert and Sullivan fan

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 16:06:40 2018 No.11590029

So I just finished this and I have so many questions... Is all the weird sex supposed to mean something or is it just funny and shocking? Who rode the 00001? Is the 00001 what "corrected" history? Seriously though, what did happen to Slothrop? My last door stopper was "Underworld" and it was easier to follow but a lot less amusing

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 17:29:06 2018 No.11590416 >>11589074 I'm 100 pages in. Is the rest of the book going to be like that?

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 17:29:07 2018 No.11590417

>>11590029
I can't even begin to address any of those questions in the scope of a 4chan post, but I can link you to this podcast. This guy talks about Pynchon all the time and has a three part episode about GR. Can't recommend it enough.

http://shoutengine.com/DeathIsJustAroundtheCorner/

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 17:31:34 2018 No.11590439 >>11589300 IJ is a breeze compared to GR and U.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:09:29 2018 No.11590654 >>11589386 is this from GR? i must read

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:21:39 2018 No.11590702 >>11590654 Uh-huh

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:44:42 2018 No.11590803 >>11590417 Thanks for this, it's great. Never realized I needed it. Are there any other good in depth literary podcasts?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:46:59 2018 No.11590812 >>11589272 chad

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:48:52 2018 No.11590830 >>11590803 I don't know, but if you find any, you should post them on /lit/. I would love to find more. DJAC also does some great episodes on Lot49 and Inherent Vice, as I'm sure you can see

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:51:37 2018 No.11590838 >>11590439 Is Ulysses more difficult than Rainbow?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:52:59 2018 No.11590842 >>11590838 One or two chapters may be, but as a whole no

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:53:07 2018 No.11590844 >>11590830 I actually checked out Death is Just Around the Corner from (your?) previous recommendation. Really really interesting. What can you tell me about the podcast and why the host seems to know so much?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:54:16 2018 No.11590849 >>11590838 >>11590842 I disagree, I found Ulysses a more taxing read wholesale - but it's worth every second

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:57:36 2018 No.11590866

>>11589240
I didn't sign up to read a book twice. I didn't see any fine print about having to read it twice to make fuller sense of it. That's a pretentious gimmick sort of like people's attitude who hold this book up as some kind of modern day truth pill almost as obnoxious as some Infinite Jest fans.
Also, I don't want to read about people literally eating shit. I hate Pynchon's obnoxious tendency to try to seem provocative by writing disgusting things and bizarre sex acts. It's lame.
The smart parts of the book are interesting and I liked the scientific and engineering themes embedded in the text. But they just weren't enough to win me over.
Anyway that's the end of my book report .

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 19:08:23 2018 No.11590924 >>11590029 I just finished the novel yesterday and have the exact same questions burning in my mind anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 19:21:25 2018 No.11590973 >>11590844 I would also like to know this

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 19:22:14 2018 No.11590975 Was it implied that the 00000 had already been launched and made Slothrop somewhat ominipresent and the 00001 was the next in line, destroyer of the world?

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 19:27:22 2018 No.11591002

>>11590844
>>11590973
Damn, I wish I could tell you more. I found this podcast from a /lit/ recommendation, too. Listen to episode #67, though. That is where he gives the closest thing any of us will find to a history lesson.

Would love to see a /DJAC/ soon, but I have to bounce for a few hours

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 20:19:36 2018 No.11591226 >>11590838 Oxen of the Sun is more difficult than anything in Gravity’s Rainbow

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 21:15:32 2018 No.11591452 File: 77 KB, 500x303, L1ilZZ4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11590866 your loss

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 21:23:59 2018 No.11591498 >>11591002 He said the previous 66 episodes were redacted “for being too damm good” I mean that sounds like he's joking but they really are damn good

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 21:33:10 2018 No.11591536 >>11590866 But doing anything more than once helps understanding. Like even watching movies twice lets you notice foreshadowing and other details more clearly

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 21:37:32 2018 No.11591554 >>11589255 How so? Im halfway thru IJ so dont spoil me if possible

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 21:43:05 2018 No.11591575 >>11589255 Mushrooms

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 23:55:23 2018 No.11592005

I feel so bad. Im 40 pages from finishing Gravity's Rainbow and I have now just realized that Enzian and Gottfried are different characters. I thought Gottfired was Blicero's name for Enzian. I’m like breaking down cause I’ve gotten so far and thought all these things that were happening weren’t even happening

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 02:42:37 2018 No.11592507 >>11589074 it's more constipated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 05:07:27 2018 No.11592897 >>11589079 Try the pynchonwiki if you're struggling with some obscure references to history

Anonymous Thu Aug 9 05:09:55 2018 No.11592903

>>11592005
Write notes, anon. That's what I'm doing. I'm doing an assignment on it though, so I'm a little more invested than someone who just wants to read for pleasure.

I get like that too. Pynchon has a knack for introducing all these characters and switching through them, that I barely know who's who. Notes and the wiki help.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 05:36:03 2018 No.11592970 >>11589300 I want Akko to say this to me

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 07:11:04 2018 No.11593158 >Born Thomas Ruggles Pynchon >Spouse(s) Melanie Jackson >Children Jackson Pynchon Nicely done kek-

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 08:10:36 2018 No.11593323 >>11590866 so tell me, what do you read?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 08:42:04 2018 No.11593406 >>11591554 someone who's never read Hamlet will miss out on lots of parallels and allusions in central plots of the novel, that's it. having all of them go above one's head is probably enough to impair understanding of the whole text desu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 09:02:59 2018 No.11593457 >>11590866 D E L T O R A Q U E S T

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 10:18:37 2018 No.11593716 >>11589255 I'd say general knowledge of mathematics, chemistry, history and weird stuff means more than specific books.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 11:21:16 2018 No.11593945 >>11593323 The 12 Rules for Life by Dr. Jordan B Pointsman

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