/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11567973]

What are some people that literally dragged their entire artform forward in ways that had never been foreseen?

[Anonymous No.11567978]

the to be or not to be guy

[Anonymous No.11567983]

>>11567973
James Joyce, Stanley Kubrick, Alan Moore, The Beatles.

[Anonymous No.11567991]

>>11567983
>Stanley Kubrick, Alan Moore, The Beatles.
*crack* yep those are some real artists, not like this crud today *sips*

[Anonymous No.11567996]

>>11567983
>the beatles
come on kid...

[Anonymous No.11568000]

>>11567983
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.

[Anonymous No.11568002]

>>11567991
this but unironically.

[Anonymous No.11568005]

>>11567983
the fact that so many books...

[Anonymous No.11568010]

>>11568000
there it is

[Anonymous No.11568022]

>>11568000
A Day in the Life alone is better than any other song from the 60s. It's basically /lit/: the song. And yeah I know it's a pasta.

[Anonymous No.11568027]

>>11568022
except that it sucks and you're an underage psued

[Anonymous No.11568030]

>>11567991
>>11567996
>>11568000
>>11568005
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

[Anonymous No.11568039]

>>11568027
Only the second half of this post is true.

[Anonymous No.11568044]

>>11568030
reddit

[Anonymous No.11568046]

>>11568022
It's one of their few songs that are actually really good but best of the decade is total shite.

[Anonymous No.11568047]

>>11568000
So you diminish their influence only because they happened to be popular? Shakespeare is also popular.

[Anonymous No.11568051]

Only musicians and truly understand The Beatles.
Objectively the greatest band of all time.

[Anonymous No.11568056]

>>11568051
if this is actually your opinion then congratulations, you're a meme

[Anonymous No.11568060]

reddit, the band

[Anonymous No.11568061]

>>11568056
And so are you.

[Anonymous No.11568064]

>>11568056
Too low IQ to understand.

[Anonymous No.11568068]

>>11568060
What's the connection to Reddit other than your subjetive naysay?

[Anonymous No.11568069]

>>11567973
>Gadsby was diagnosed with ADHD and is on the Autism spectrum, both later in life diagnoses.
Fucking called it. I know this kind
I worked with a girl just like this. Slight autism, the kind is takes a few days to realize is there. Slightly fucked up face, certainly not deformed but you can just tell something's "off." Vaguely refers to herself as "queer," doesn't really elaborate on what that means. Wears masculine "quirky" clothing like blazers and bowties, but does about as well at dressing like a man that you'd expect someone who isn't a man to do.
They're always getting uppity about social issues. They constantly refer to their queerness and continue to avoid elaborating on what the fuck that means. If they've had anything even remotely close to traumatic in their past, bet your ASS you're gonna be hearing about it.
They're ALWAYS into spoken word, be it slam poetry or stand-up "comedy." They go nuts for any excuse to start choking up on stage as they rattle off platitudes that people will clap for without thinking

How do these sub-types of humans emerge? Why do so many people have identical tastes and behaviors?

[Anonymous No.11568071]

>>11568061
>>11568064
>oh wow a sitar and DUDE WEED
really makes me think

[Anonymous No.11568077]

>>11568060
that would be q*een

[Anonymous No.11568079]

>>11568069
I forgot that their weird fat bodies is a dead give away. They get fat in very strange ways. Narrow shoulders, thin arms, massive disgusting asses and lumpy thighs.

[Anonymous No.11568084]

>>11568077
this

[Anonymous No.11568090]

>>11568077
literally beatles of the 80s (ie when most of the boomers on r*ddit were born)

[Anonymous No.11568091]

>>11568051
>>11568022
>>11568000
>>11567983
Wow have you guys never heard of bands like Tool and Crimson King? Dude seriously you don't know what you are missing they will literally open your mind and tear your perceptions asunder!

[Anonymous No.11568093]

>>11568069
>>11568079
They look like people but they aren't. They make jokes and laugh and post things to social media, but there is nothing behind those eye other than cold calculation and opportunism. It isn't like anything to be like them. Unexamined lives, you feel? They are inhuman, and they are jealous of the humans they come into contact with, so they all flock to these nifty little preset templates. Templates that come with artificial tastes, artificial beliefs, artificial emotions, artificial friendships. They don their disguises and walk out, looking for people unwise enough to take them into their social circles, or god forbid give them a stage

[Anonymous No.11568115]

kanye is the most /lit/ artist of all time

[Anonymous No.11568117]

>>11568044
stormfront

[Anonymous No.11568120]

Music is the most Reddit art form there is

[Anonymous No.11568129]

>>11568120
this

[Anonymous No.11568133]

>>11568115
>not daniel johnston

[Anonymous No.11568135]

>>11568115
yo astroworld fucking sucks it has those gay mini songs that dont line up with the tracks like on tlop, the only really gud song "sicko mode" is ruined by a retarded intro and and then 3 minutes of drank after the 90 minutes that was actually good, so disapointed although u can tell pitchfork is already hyping it up to get bnm and be make scott "the new kanye" such crap

[Anonymous No.11568137]

>>11568120
Vidya

[Anonymous No.11568138]

Music is the most esoteric art form there is

[Anonymous No.11568140]

>>11568093
Did you read the captions in OPs pic?

[Anonymous No.11568150]

>>11568138
Not popular music, though. Literature is way more esoteric.

[Anonymous No.11568157]

>>11568150
Yeezus

[Anonymous No.11568165]

>>11568140
Sorry, how am I rendering Hannah Gadsby powerless?

[Anonymous No.11568178]

>>11568133
he sucks

[Anonymous No.11568181]

>>11567996
>>11568000
/mu/ are hilarious

[Anonymous No.11568201]

>>11567973
There are many.

Let's start with English Language poetry

Beowulf poet
Langland (arguably)
Chaucer
Spenser
Marlowe (arguably)
Shakespeare
Milton
Pope
Six Major Romantic Poets
Whitman
Dickinson
Hopkins
Yeats
Pound
Eliot
Stevens
Ashberry (arguably)

There are many many other good poets (some better than the ones above, some I prefer more - I fucking hate Ashberry for example) but these are the ones that made their indelible mark on history.

The Beatles have been slated here -mostly because everyone here is either a contrarian or an ironic shitposter. The Beatles are the dominant musical force of the second half of the twentieth century. There isn't a single artist both popular or classical that has done what they did in terms of cultural reach and artistic breadth and beauty. And then did most of it in 7 years.

[Anonymous No.11568210]

>>11568201
>Beowulf
>Chaucer
>Pound
>Spenser

[Anonymous No.11568213]

>>11568201
>The Beatles have been slated here -mostly because everyone here is either a contrarian or an ironic shitposter. The Beatles are the dominant musical force of the second half of the twentieth century. There isn't a single artist both popular or classical that has done what they did in terms of cultural reach and artistic breadth and beauty. And then did most of it in 7 years.
oh wow they put a sitar in a rock and roll song and they sang about weed and acid how progressive. how genre bending.

you're a brainlet

[Anonymous No.11568214]

>>11568140
>They go nuts for any excuse to start choking up on stage as they rattle off platitudes that people will clap for without thinking

[Anonymous No.11568218]

>>11568213
Not him but you're an absolute mong if you don't see the titanic difference between music before and after the Beatles. You're not even human a total shitspouting memelord

[Anonymous No.11568220]

>>11568210
>I don't like them therefore they are not important.
You are a child.

[Anonymous No.11568226]

>>11568218
>the titanic difference between music before and after the Beatles
i havent encountered this perspective in quite a while, how can anyone think this, they werent evne remotely the most innovative people of that period

[Anonymous No.11568231]

>>11568220
They're not important because they're not important. Beowulf and Canturbury Tales are incredibly mediocre works that are only of interest because they happened to be the first of their kind in English which is no real achievement since they could just be entirely derivative from French and other traditions
And Spencer and Pound are just jokes. They didn't influence shit

[Anonymous No.11568233]

>>11568218
>absolute mong
oh look a british beta is criticizing someone else for not recognizing how anglos saved culture

your """"country""""" is shit and has produced 0 art ever. the beatles sound like every other surfer boyband before and since them. get your teeth fixed and say hi to your queen

[Anonymous No.11568235]

>>11568218
>assblasted bong defends da beatles
cringe you seem like the kind of person who tells people how old he is on youtube videos of dadrock songs

[Anonymous No.11568238]

>>11568226
Whatever you say contrarian nobody whose non-opinions nobody will ever care about. If you want to contribute any thoughts of values you need to first acknowledge reality.

Provide one example of a band producing music that was more evocative of modern music before the Beatles. I'll wait all year because you won't have fucking anything

[Anonymous No.11568241]

>>11568233
>>11568235
Not British retards. Nice non-argument mongs (i.e. mongoloids, i.e down syndromes)

[Anonymous No.11568246]

>>11568238
>the beatles are gud
>dey changeded musicc
how? give me one example of how they made music better as a whole? I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.11568247]

>>11568213
Listen to popular music before 1963. Just listen to it, properly steep yourself in it for a while.

Then listen to The Beatles.

There is such an extreme leap in energy and vitality and complexity and beauty, it seems like a miracle. It seems to come out from nowhere. It didn't obviously, its a layered conglomeration of influences from girls groups, to blues, to rock and roll, to skiffle and many more.

Listen to one song per album and notice how quickly they progress and notice, if you can, how the rest of the music world struggles to keep up with them for those seven years.

If you can't hear it, then that doesn't mean you're some higher intelligence that can see the emperor is naked - it just means you're missing out.

[Anonymous No.11568248]

>>11568218
Look at the difference between music before and after Elvis
Look at the difference between music before and after Captain Beefheart and Frank Zappa
Look at the difference between music before and after Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Look at the difference between music before and after Chuck Berry
Look at the difference between music before and after Django Reinhardt
Look at the difference between music before and after Cromagnon
Look at-... wait...
Maybe... just maybe... these are all artists that existed during a time of continuous and unending changes across all of popular music...

[Anonymous No.11568251]

>>11568246
We're talking about influence not "improvement" try keep up

[Anonymous No.11568255]

>>11568238
Bob Dylan, Captain beefheart, The velvet underground, etc

[Anonymous No.11568256]

>>11568248
Elvis is literally the one on that list you have an argument with
>Frank Zappa
lmao alright buddy

[Anonymous No.11568258]

>>11568255
All post-Beatles. Holyshit you are dumb

[Anonymous No.11568259]

>>11568226
>they werent evne remotely the most innovative people of that period
In popular music, yes they were. If we consider the innovation-influence ratio their influence on popular music is unsurpassed. Not every innovative musician had a direct influence on the entire art form, which is what OP is asking for. You may dislike their music but you can't deny their influence, that you simply can't do without coming off as a delusional contrarian.

[Anonymous No.11568262]

>>11568258
not post-experimental beatles, the early beatles stuff was just pop songs

[Anonymous No.11568263]

>>11568247
so I've read your post and I'm familliar with the music you're talking about but here is what I got out of your post
>if you don't think the beatles are based then your dumb
dadrock af my dude. they sound just like a thousand other bands except worse.

[Anonymous No.11568264]

>>11568000
Based Scaruffles. The only living rock critic worth taking seriously. He's absolutely right about Bowie, Kanye, Radiohead and Bjork too.

[Anonymous No.11568268]

>>11568259
i dont dislike the beatles, i dont think theyre bad at all, i think they were really talented. Theyre just not at all the people i think of when i thnk of how later decades were influenced by mid 60s music

[Anonymous No.11568270]

>>11568262
>not post-experimental beatles, the early beatles stuff was just pop songs

Confirmed for knowing nothing about what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.11568271]

>>11568256
Are you 15?

[Anonymous No.11568274]

>if you don't like the beatles you are musicall illiterate they are the best even though I can't explain how they're good
why are beatles fans such literal children? all their songs sound the same.

[Anonymous No.11568275]

>>11568258
They may be chronologically post-beatles (Dylan actually wasn't) but they have practically nothing to do with them musically.
Imagine being such a drone to think any beatles album is more 'evocative' than the VU debut.

[Anonymous No.11568277]

>>11568271
I'd rather be that a delusional 30 year old boomer who still stands by Zappa

[Anonymous No.11568278]

>>11568270
but that is just true, the earliest experimental stuff they had was what in 65 or something? Dylan released Highway 61 revisited in that year

[Anonymous No.11568280]

>>11567973
You absolute mongoloids. Ask any person who actually lived through the sixties if the Beatles were “innovative” or not

[Anonymous No.11568281]

>>11568277
I don't even like Zappa. Beefheart was leagues better. But you're just straight up wrong here, friend

[Anonymous No.11568283]

>>11568275
>Velvet Underground have nothing to do with the Beatles musically

[Anonymous No.11568285]

>>11568233
Tell me of those "surfer boybands" who had I Am the Walrus, A Day in the Life, and Helter Skelter in ther repertoire. Literally talking out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.11568292]

>>11568283
They don't.
>>11568285
Ah yes, while masterpieces like I Am the Walrus, A Day in the Life, and Helter Skelter were being released shit like this was being produced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53F5nY68cBM

[Anonymous No.11568293]

>>11568275
>You're a drone dude! Velvet Underground are the best!!
Imagine managing to be this on 4chan

[Anonymous No.11568301]

>>11568285
>I Am the Walrus,
trash song made up with 2deep4u lyrics to confuse retards like you
> A Day in the Life,
sounds like shit, literally just a bunch of music and lyrics they couldn't fit in their other songs mashed together
>and Helter Skelter
also sucked. between 4 dude none of them could sing for shit. and this song proved it

[Anonymous No.11568303]

>>11568231
Beowulf was the first major poem in the English Language. You must be deeply stupid not to recognize how this makes it important to the history of English Language poetry.

Chaucer is pretty much single handedly responsible for legitimizing English vernacular literature in a time where it was thought uncouth and unsuitable for artistic expression

Without Pound, there is no literary modernism as we know it today.

These are all facts you would know if you were arguing in good faith.

[Anonymous No.11568306]

>>11568293
It's just a matter of listening to any shit outside the radio 60's.

[Anonymous No.11568307]

I don't even like the velvet underground but they did a lot more for music than the fucking beatles
For me, though, it's amon duul ii

[Anonymous No.11568308]

>>11568301
>> A Day in the Life,
>sounds like shit

[Anonymous No.11568313]

>>11568280
who gives a fuck what an old ass boomer who smoked wed and dropped acid for all of his life thinks about music? just cause he's old doesn't mean his opinions are dogshit

[Anonymous No.11568316]

>>11568263
Its true though.

They don't sound like a thousand other bands.

[Anonymous No.11568318]

>>11568292
Thats post Beatles, 1968.

[Anonymous No.11568324]

>>11568303
>Beowulf was the first major poem in the English Language.

You mean Anglo-Saxon. Less English than modern Dutch. You realize pretty much every single English poet since then has never been able to read Beowulf. Its a historical curiosity and nothing more
>Without Pound, there is no literary modernism as we know it today.
Hilarious

[Anonymous No.11568328]

>>11568308
I'm objectively right. take off your nostalgia glasses grandpa, do some research on that song and you'll find that it was just a bunch of the shitty music and shitty lyrics they couldn't fit into any of their other songs so they frankensteined it into one shitty mashup.
>ooooohhh the temp changed!!!! what a deep song!!!

[Anonymous No.11568330]

>>11568318
I didn't say it wasn't. I sure hope you're not trying to imply VU was influenced significantly by any beatles though.

[Anonymous No.11568331]

>>11568201
Woah someone got a hold of a Norton Anthology recently. This reeks of undergrad humanities ya big doofus

[Anonymous No.11568334]

>>11568292
Velvet Underground would not have been possible without the Beatles. Their influence has been minor in comparison.

And please don't use that inartistic dirge as an example of their musical superiority. They were talented but had very little discipline.

[Anonymous No.11568335]

>>11568328
>take off your nostalgia glasses grandpa

What do you think I'm fucking 90? Beatles remain one of the most popular bands on Earth TODAY

[Anonymous No.11568336]

>>11568316
half of their shit sounds like the beach boys if brian wilson had to suck a dick and sing at the same time, the other half sounds like some drugged up poetry that they had to recite to sitar music.

[Anonymous No.11568337]

>>11568256
holy fuck you buy screenprint band tshirts from walmart dont you

[Anonymous No.11568340]

/lit/ once again shows it has terrible taste in music

[Anonymous No.11568345]

>>11568337
Yeah you caught me, rocking my Dark Side of the Moon t-shirt now

[Anonymous No.11568348]

>>11568334
>Their influence has been minor in comparison.
Musically VU was far more influential for the side of rock that actually developed and innovated sound. Beatles influenced widely in the sense they were the face-men of the 60's movements and inspired thousands of mostly similar sounding bands.

[Anonymous No.11568352]

>>11568335
and look at their fanbase a bunch of old ass hippies drug addicts and teenage girls who comment on every one of their songs on youtube
>I wish my generation made music like this *sigh* music is dead

that should tell you all you need to know

[Anonymous No.11568353]

>>11568285
confirmed bait. most “muh mind is blown” middle school songs ever. you either googled these are purposefully picked their most meme songs. might as well have thrown “ive just seen a face” and “yellow submarine” on there.

[Anonymous No.11568354]

>>11568336
It doesn't sound anything like that. Either listen to their music or work on your analogies.

[Anonymous No.11568356]

>>11568093
>They are inhuman, and they are jealous of the humans they come into contact with, so they all flock to these nifty little preset templates.
That is pretty sad t.b.h.

[Anonymous No.11568364]

>>11568352
>and look at their fanbase a bunch of old ass hippies drug addicts and teenage girls who comment on every one of their songs on youtube

Thats called universal appeal. Now look at the people who resent that, pseud losers who need to strategically come up with counter-points to basic opinions because they have no authentic sense of taste

[Anonymous No.11568367]

>>11568356
Resentiment is a hell of a drug

[Anonymous No.11568368]

>>11568301
I Am the Walrus is consciously designed that way. It's part of that nonsense tradition like Alice in Wonderland, Bob Dylan later did some songs in that genre.

A Day in the Life is one the earliest examples of the collage technique in modern music.

Helter Skelter had an obvious influence on heavy metal, some people even call it the first heavy metal song.

>inb4 b-but the beatles suck they didnt influence nothin'

[Anonymous No.11568369]

>>11568364
>universal appeal
Much in the same sense Stephen King and Tarantino have 'universal appeal'.

[Anonymous No.11568370]

>>11568354
not him but he has a point. their music sounds objectively bad. I can't picture anyone who isn't a baby boomer or a preteen liking them unironically. all the early barbershop sounding stuff just makes me sick. and when they smoked weed and thought they were philosophers? CRINGE

[Anonymous No.11568373]

>>11568369
Teenage girls don't like either of those. Try again

[Anonymous No.11568374]

>>11568324
No I mean Old English, which is a very particular dialect of Saxon which came into prominence through several cultural and political factors, one of which being the popularity of a poem called Beowulf which was written in said dialect.

Explain how Pound isn't important to literary modernism.

>>11568331
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.11568376]

>>11568367
Why on earth would someone resent Hannah fucking Gadsby

[Anonymous No.11568378]

>>11568373
teenage girls love tarantino

[Anonymous No.11568379]

>>11568303
You do realize Beowulf was not at all read in English until fairly recently. People had zero knowledge of it whatsoever. And there are tremendously better pre-middle English poems anyways, Dream of the Road and the Seafarer being my personal favs. Also confirmed pseud for taking Pound “lel copy paste ibspeak fifteen languages” seriously.

[Anonymous No.11568380]

>>11568376
Sorry I thought we were talking about the Beatles

[Anonymous No.11568382]

>>11568373
Are you joking m8?

[Anonymous No.11568385]

>>11568379
*rood
mobile fag

[Anonymous No.11568386]

>>11568378
Never seen this in my experience whatsoever. I think of him as a very boyish director

[Anonymous No.11568387]

>>11568368
>I Am the Walrus is consciously designed that way. It's part of that nonsense tradition like Alice in Wonderland, Bob Dylan later did some songs in that genre.
yes I know that's why I pointed it out. these guys smoked some weed and thought they were the smartest philosophers on the planet.
>A Day in the Life is one the earliest examples of the collage technique in modern music.
that doesn't make it a good song or easy to listen to
>Helter Skelter had an obvious influence on heavy metal, some people even call it the first heavy metal song.
yeah it's metal for boomer women who drink wine and post minion memes on facebook

just because you have a lot of people listen to your song doesnt make you a good band

[Anonymous No.11568388]

>>11568353
We're talking about their influence, not if they blew your mind in middle school.

[Anonymous No.11568395]

>>11568374
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Ango-Saxon ended up dominating the British Isles because they just beat the shit out of the weaker Celts. Beowulf had zero to do with it and was just something likely carried over more or less from Germany.
We're not talking about fucking Dante here

[Anonymous No.11568400]

>>11568387
We're talking about their inarguable influence 9n popular music, not if you personally like their music. Those are different things, stay in topic.

[Anonymous No.11568402]

>>11568364
no when your audience is entirely made up of plebs that makes you a shit artist.

[Anonymous No.11568403]

>>11568348
Velvet Underground are influential to a fairly particular form of rock music
The Bealtles have influenced almost every form of popular music.

It's like comparing Donne and Shakespeare here.

[Anonymous No.11568407]

>>11568402
If you say so contrarian faggot. Why don't you go tell your Dad instead of leaking your butthurt on here

[Anonymous No.11568409]

>>11568400
I see. Well as I said I think the most important influence they've had is shown other bands what kind of music we don't need any more of. or indeed ever want to hear again.

[Anonymous No.11568412]

>>11568388
>We're talking about their influence
Please stop this meme. Yeah they influenced a lot of radio boys to go 'woah this is slick, let me explore some more music/play a guitar', that doesn't make them music geniuses.

[Anonymous No.11568414]

>>11568387
>these guys smoked some weed and thought they were the smartest philosophers on the planet.
No, Lennon admitted the lyrics to that song were nonsense, and they didnt think of themselves as the smartest philosophers of the planet, you perceive them as such.

[Anonymous No.11568419]

>>11568374
Yeah but I’m right and you’re a pseud big dawg. I don’t have to give you an argument. Your knowledge of literature is limited to that of a sophomore you make it so obvious . You don’t get to demand discourse like you have credibility or some shit.

[Anonymous No.11568420]

>>11568407
>y-you're c-c-contrarian
lel stay assblasted retard not my fault your taste in music sucks.

[Anonymous No.11568421]

>>11568403
>Velvet Underground are influential to a fairly particular form of rock music
A wide variety of forms that weren't mainstream at the time and for decades to come.
>It's like comparing Donne and Shakespeare here.
It's like comparing JK Rowling and James Joyce.

[Anonymous No.11568422]

>>11568412
>Please stop this meme. Yeah they influenced a lot of radio boys to go 'woah this is slick, let me explore some more music/play a guitar', that doesn't make them music geniuses.
But it does answer OP's question. They influenced popular music more than any other band. Name one band whose *influence* on popular music is greater. Remember we're talking influence not if you like them. Go.

[Anonymous No.11568426]

>>11568421
>It's like comparing JK Rowling and James Joyce.

Awful brainlet's first grasp analogy. Joyce has had enormous influence in popular media

[Anonymous No.11568428]

>>11568414
Lennon saw other stoners look at his drug addled lyrics and he was like "dude what if I wrote drug addled lyrics like I always do but this time I'm not talking about civil rights or getting high, what if I'm talking about like nothing man..."
I'm familiar with the genesis of that song. he was still a pseud stoner who thought he was the smartest guy on the planet. and he beat his wife and wrote communist anthems from his mansion

[Anonymous No.11568434]

>>11568428
This entire post

[Anonymous No.11568437]

>>11568419
Name poets more influential.

[Anonymous No.11568441]

>>11568434
prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.11568440]

>>11568428
>wrote communist anthems from his mansion
thought he didnt like the commies, he has that jab at Mao in whatever that song is. Wasnt he some kind of vague pacificist type of person

[Anonymous No.11568442]

>>11568426
So did VU in indirect ways. The point is one does so through far less accessible forms. And I don't see old James talked about and inspiring nearly as much in the normal populace these days and Rowling and her work.

[Anonymous No.11568446]

>>11568440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkgkThdzX-8

[Anonymous No.11568449]

>>11568446
yeah but is this communism? this sounds much vaguer and more all encompassing than communism

i realize it's of a kind with communism but i was under the impression he had disagreements with actual Marxists

[Anonymous No.11568450]

>>11568437
Than Pound? In that period T.S Eliot was the real giant. Like its not even comparable

[Anonymous No.11568455]

>>11568442
>one does so through far less accessible forms
*but with a more obvious artistic merit I should clarify. Basically, beatles aren't worth the long memory in comparison.

[Anonymous No.11568456]

>>11568446
To quote my main man Ringo, he's just saying imagine not race war now

[Anonymous No.11568457]

>>11568379
>Also confirmed pseud for taking Pound “lel copy paste ibspeak fifteen languages” seriously
So he wasn't influential?

[Anonymous No.11568465]

>>11568449
whatever atheist sharing utopia where we all just get along and sing imagine with each other and link hands that Mr Lennon imagined, it doesn't change the fact he was a hypocrite and a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11568471]

>>11567983
way to derail the thread moron! we could be talking about sjws right now!

[Anonymous No.11568473]

>>11568450
>Eliot is in the list you replied to
>Eliot was directly influenced by Pound and his greatest poem was heavily edited by him
>calls others sophomore yet can't think of a better poet than Eliot

[Anonymous No.11568477]

>>11568387
>yes I know that's why I pointed it out. these guys smoked some weed and thought they were the smartest
philosophers on the planet.
No they didnt think that, you said that.

>that doesn't make it a good song or easy to listen to
Never claimed that, see the original poster's question.

>yeah it's metal for boomer women who drink wine and post minion memes on facebook
Not an argument, just retarded stereotypes you have.

>just because you have a lot of people listen to your song doesnt make you a good band
Oh I thought they were hard to listen, which one is it? Nobody is claiming they were good because they had lots of listeners. They were good because you can clearly see a difference in modern popular music pre Beatles and post Beatles. I see you dislike them but that does not negate their contributions nor their influence.

[Anonymous No.11568482]

>>11568437
The rest of the Norton anthology you left out. Also English is a bad language for poetry Pound should’ve at least taught you that.

[Anonymous No.11568483]

>>11568473
Doesn't change anything. Eliot is the real titan of modernist poetry, Pound was a scenester faggot that was a good salesman but contributed nothing of substancial value ever
I don't even like Eliot, I think modernist poetry was a unaminous failure in the end but this is the facts of the situation

[Anonymous No.11568484]

>>11568477
see>>11568409

[Anonymous No.11568489]

>>11568422
I assume OP mean more than mere influence alone. Bill Nye and Degrasse have influenced a lot of people to dabble in science, doesn't make them great innovators of anything though.

[Anonymous No.11568491]

This thread has convinced me to stop coming on this shithole. You are all retarded and I sincerely hope you all die soon.

[Anonymous No.11568492]

>>11568428
He received letters from fans asking what his lyrics meant then he made that song to shut them up. And we're talking about their music, not if they beat their wife or not.

[Anonymous No.11568499]

>>11568484
It doesnt answer anything I replied to, you are a moron.

[Anonymous No.11568500]

>>11568477
>No they didnt think that, you said that.
oh yes they did. They said they were bigger than Jesus and Lennon constantly talked about how his lyrics should be studied like the bible
>Never claimed that, see the original poster's question.
the "original poster" is a /tv/ crossboarder and he was just trying to start a bait thread about some aussie comedian that triggers /pol/
>Not an argument, just retarded stereotypes you have.
I think I touched a nerve

[Anonymous No.11568501]

>>11568491
Good riddance, one less Jezebel poster.

[Anonymous No.11568503]

>>11568491
see you tomorrow

[Anonymous No.11568506]

Beatles are fucking teenager trash, a cash grab band with great production because they were the most popular act of the decade. Also, rock in general is pretty weak when compared to guys like Charlie Parker and Bartok, the only "rock" musician I can truly take seriously was Zappa, the only guy that made consistent great music for decades.

[Anonymous No.11568516]

>>11568499
answer me honestly, are you above 18?

[Anonymous No.11568518]

>>11568506
>. Also, rock in general is pretty weak

[Anonymous No.11568523]

ITT

[Anonymous No.11568525]

>>11568500
>oh yes they did. They said they were bigger than Jesus and Lennon constantly talked about how his lyrics should be studied like the bible
Actually they said they were more popular than Jesus lol can't even make a cheeky comment without the boomers suddenly lynching you

>think I touched a nerve
Believe me you didn't. I'm not wine-drinking woman who shares minion memes on fb, I'm a man in my early 20s and barely use fb nowadays.

[Anonymous No.11568531]

>>11568523
Its more like an argument between the guy in that comic being the normie with an even more edgy guy a further layer down

[Anonymous No.11568545]

>>11568523
I laughed to this back in 2009

[Anonymous No.11568549]

>>11568525
>that 26 year old boomer who uses facebook and listens to the beatles

[Anonymous No.11568554]

>>11568531
DUDE THE VELVET UNDERGROUND

[Anonymous No.11568560]

>>11568549
I dont even listen to them anymore, but I'm aware of their influence on popular music. Lynch me already, faggots.

[Anonymous No.11568568]

>>11568523
lol

[Anonymous No.11568715]

>>11568039
underage b&

[Anonymous No.11568727]

>>11567973
The beastie boys are the only band to have contributed something unique to the art in literally 200 years. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.11568750]

>>11568727
sure kiddo

[Anonymous No.11568767]

>>11568727
Theyre not even the best artists of their decade.

[Anonymous No.11568778]

>>11568767
You don't have to be the best to contribute something unique.
They just happen to be both.

[Anonymous No.11568780]

>>11568727
what did they do that was unique?

[Anonymous No.11568785]

>>11568780
nothing

[Anonymous No.11568875]

Bob Dylan, George Lucas, Tarantino.

[Anonymous No.11569067]

>>11567983
I agree with the Joyce comment.

[Anonymous No.11569122]

>>11567991
Stanley Kubrick is one of the top 5 greatest film directors of all time and Alan Moore is the only comic book author who has any chance of being canonized.

[Anonymous No.11569142]

Plato, Aristotle, Kant

[Anonymous No.11569184]

>>11568263
>>11568316

It's like how seinfeld seems unoriginal because everything after it copied it.

[Anonymous No.11569219]

>>11567983
>Alan Moore
stop chatting shit ffs, he's definitely a very good writer with an eye for detail and worked with artists effectively but he did not elevate the medium beyond the pre-existing accomplishments of Robert Crumb, Art Spiegelman and their various proteges.

[Anonymous No.11569239]

>>11567973
Did Proust do this?

[Anonymous No.11569240]

>>11568022
boy, that sure is wrong

[Anonymous No.11570542]

>>11568000

So we all complain when bands that make shit music are popular and sell well, yet when a good band makes good music AND sells well, we have to downplay their work because "if it's popular, it must necessarily suck." ??

Is this the world we want to live in?

[Anonymous No.11570592]

>>11568491
>he's posting on 4chan in the middle of summer
>he expects the content to be good

[Anonymous No.11570603]

>>11568231
>Faerie Queene didn't influence anything
Holy fuck are you retarded

[Anonymous No.11570828]

>>11568491

[Anonymous No.11570833]

>>11569219
Bullshit. Moore's contribution to comics permanently altered the genre.

[Anonymous No.11570880]

>it's c/lit/s reveal their inner /mu/tard episode
>>11570542
I'll give you a hint, scaruffi is at best dubious music historian, his music criticism points to no knowledge of music theory (that's why he like fantano resorts to vague adjectives when he describing something, the only difference between them is there's no avant teen credit in aping fantano).

[Anonymous No.11570896]

>>11568231
Yikes. Please educate yourself.

[Anonymous No.11571071]

>>11567973
All my boomer family have been telling me to watch this “powerful” stand up

[Anonymous No.11571309]

>>11570833
what did he fucking contribute? he influenced other writers to add literary pretensions to their corporate superhero comics?? he introduced metafiction to superhero comics?? it had all already been done in the 60s to the 80s by underground comics artists, he wasn't elevating shit unless you conflate "comics" with "marvel and dc comics where superhero punch da guy"

[Anonymous No.11571321]

>>11571309
Watchmen was a milestone in comics, let's not kid ourselves and take it for granted, it changed comics.

[Anonymous No.11571329]

>>11571321
you can repeat the same claim ad nauseam if you want or you can try telling us what it was about watchmen that elevated the medium as a whole

[Anonymous No.11571331]

>>11570542
yeah I don't understand these guys, "it sucks because it's popular"

[Anonymous No.11571336]

>>11570880
who cares, what's that got to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.11571738]

Kraftwerk are the most influential band of the 20th century.