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why does all knowledge eventually point to Christ?

>> No.11564570

>>11564563
it's the impossibility of knowledge that does it

>> No.11564583
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11564583

Because He is the Word

>> No.11564588

>>11564563

because you are reading christian literature, faggot

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>>11564563
A better question is, why do people avoid admitting it?

>Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the generals and the rich and the strong, and every one, slave and free, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand before it?” (Rev 6:15-17)

>> No.11564607

First comes the gnosis of theism. There is an ostensible intelligence suffused in the overall structure of the cosmos. Forces, parameters and initial conditions are fine-tuned for life in an efficient and sufficient manner.
Then one either begins at the quandary that if there is a God, which one is it? In which a universal mysticism and Christianity (with the gospel removed from Old testament) are logical explanations. However, I believe it is a marriage of both that will lead to greater wisdom.

>> No.11564616

>>11564563
Because Christ is Lord. He made humans. He hardwired us to recognize Him.

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>>11564588
even vehemently anti-christian literature and events seem to point to christ

>> No.11564626

It doesn't. You Christian larpers are the new Fedora tippers

>> No.11564633
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>>11564626
why do you run

>> No.11564634
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>>11564626

>> No.11564639

>>11564626
>every Christian is a LARPer

>> No.11564666

>>11564626
>Christians are the new Fedora tippers

That's a fresh take for sure

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>>11564666
>666

>> No.11564675

>>11564626

they were always the fedora tippers.

>> No.11564677

>>11564563
It doesn't

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11564684

>>11564563
>tfw you see the noumena

>> No.11564688

>>11564684
I feel bad for that dog, he is so scared and confused.

>> No.11564692

Even if it does...the low quality Christian posts are just dividing the board and making it full of vitriol.

>> No.11564693

>>11564563
all knowledge leads to the vow of the Amida Buddha

>> No.11564695

>>11564692
Tell me how the post you just wrote is any better?

>> No.11564697

>>11564692
Dividing the board how?

>> No.11564704

>>11564697
It's the 2018 version of r/atheism

>> No.11564705

>>11564563

I didn't know there were that many operational mig 31s in the whole world.

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>>11564626
/lit/ is a christian board, bucko

>> No.11564712

>>11564639
I'm sure all the neckbeards on r/atheism are sincere too, that doesn't mean they're not cringeworthy

>> No.11564728

>>11564708
*reformed protestant board

>> No.11564731

>>11564695
I'm making a statement that's less controversial, which will lead to less turd-flinging. /lit/ has a place for theology but even as a Christian I get a little tired of it. For every genuine theological insight I get 30 fedora reaction pics.

>> No.11564772

>>11564607
>why is the universe so finely tuned?
>because otherwise it wouldnt exist
>the end
Inb4 muh feelings

>> No.11564776

>>11564708
>jordan peterson
>christian
pick one

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11564793

>>11564772

>> No.11564803

>>11564772
>muh anthropic principle

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>>11564772
>this is your brain on atheism

>> No.11564812

(((christ)))

>> No.11564818

There's so much retarded atheist posting and so much retarded christ posting that I don't know what to believe anymore

>> No.11564834

>>11564772
>>11564776
Rebbit

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>>11564563
Because Christ is God telling us all what the real deal is. Name a more intelligent and gifted writer than Kierkegaard. You can't, his gift is simply sitting down and working out what God gave each and everyone one of us.

>> No.11564842

>>11564563
Because we all die

>> No.11564877

Basically because many narratives, even scientific ones are centered around hero archetype (or sacred individual for that matter), which Christ himself represents in our cultural paradigm. Its basic monomythic structure.

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>>11564836
checkmate

>> No.11564950

>>11564877
That’s retarded.

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>>11564945
Checkmate? James maynard Keenan BTFO this guy back in the 90s

>> No.11564981

>>11564836
I’m reading him right now.
He can be really incisive. Don’t read him if you want a pat on the back.

>> No.11565012

>>11564950
He's not wrong. The pinnacle of sinless being and absolute defintion of what it means to be a good, exemplary, human being is Jesus. He is the perfect representation of what a person should be, it's bound to be alluded to, even indirectly, at some point.

>> No.11565024

>>11564563
I can only assume this is an ironic post.

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11565140

>>11564633
>>11564634
>>11564639
>>11564708
>yeah, I’m a Christian, you got a problem with that? I used to be a sinner like you but 2 years ago I found GOD. In my teens I would laugh at creationists; I would always tell my grandma that I didn’t want to go to mass; I was agnostic but not like r/Atheism. But when I GREW UP and became a man, I realised I needed to put childish things away (1 Corinthians 13:11). Why is that? Because I realized that we need Christianity to SAVE THE WEST. After I voted Trump in the 2016 election I decided to go to church again. I knew that I would find a QT pure Christian GF who I could lose my virginity to (I haven’t lost it yet because I’m saving myself for marriage, like God intended). I haven’t found her yet, but like Job I will pray and have faith in God. Then I saw Jordan Peterson talking about Christianity and I was hooked! (I don’t like him anymore though, he’s a fake Christian). I watched all his videos on the bible and realised how God reveals himself in many ways. I was on /pol/ (came from r/The_Donald during the election but I hate redditors now) Christian General and I saw /lit/ chart which had The Bible and I KNEW I found my people. Every day I see THE WEST falling because we gave up our FAITH. Well, the new Christian intellectuals are coming; We are the sons of the Crusaders and we shall not recoil before the sons of Voltaire! (Candide was shit, so is Nietzsche (haven’t read either of them)). /lit/ introduced me to Kierkegaard and I became a KNIGHT OF FAITH, so now I know that I just gotta believe and that’s TRUE bravery. I read DANTE and DOSTOEVSKY and I saw the beauty of God and true art. I’m a proud Catholic (Protestants are heretics) but I hate Pope Francis, he’s a heretic and isn’t MY Pope. /lit/ is a Christian board, and I know that if I just keep recommending the Bible, telling people to go to church, and making threads about how great God is, I will finally be able to sincerely believe in God and distract myself from the gnawing feeling that I’m a fraud. Faith ain’t easy.

>> No.11565145

>>11565140
this but unironically

>> No.11565149

>>11564563
>Anything lacking an explanation is proof of god's existence.

>> No.11565154

>>11565140
Literally me

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11565175

>>11565140
>haha lost young men becoming Christians perhaps a bit immaturely is pathetic
>totally has nothing to do with this vapid society that liberal humanist values have created
>yeah secular humanism can totally guide people in bearing the dissonance of an increasingly complex world, its worked so well so far, just look at how its values are embraced by non-partisan news sources
>existential crises? lol dude ever since I started visiting /r/meditation and watching rick and morty I haven't had any of those
>no i haven't spoken to my dad in years, hes a fucking deadbeat

>> No.11565184

>>11565149
Thats not what the OP said

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11565188

>>11565140
Is this OC?

>> No.11565208

>>11564961
that is a face that has seen some shit

>> No.11565258

>>11565184
Then what did he say?
Every fact when repeatedly questioned ends with Christ if not declared by the person to be unknown, as far as I'm concerned.

>> No.11565259

>>11565140
based
>>11565175
cringe

>> No.11565271

>>11565175
based
>>11565140
cringe

>> No.11565281

>>11565175
Based and redpilled
>>11565140
Cringe and bluepilled

>> No.11565285

>>11565259
>>11565271
>>11565281
you guys are the worst posters on the board except for shreksnappers

fucking faggots

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>>11565285

>> No.11565302

>>11564563
>grow up in Muslim majority country
"why does all knowledge eventually point toward Allah and Muhammad?"

>> No.11565316

>>11565175
>most freedom for the most amount of people ever in human history
>"damn liberal humanist society!"
Learn some damn history. Modern day is hands down the best period of time to live in ever.

>> No.11565320

>>11565316
>get sent to jail for questioning a historical fact
yes such freedom

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>>11565316
>2018
>most freedom for the most amount of people ever in human history

>> No.11565334

>>11565175
>christcuck LARPer is being a presumptuous cunt who defines himself in the opposition to a platonic bugman redditor
Imagine my shock!

>> No.11565336

>>11565316
>Learn some damn history. Modern day is hands down the best period of time to live in ever.

I see you're a member of Bill Gates' bookclub

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>>11565316
>Modern day is hands down the best period of time to live in ever

>> No.11565364

>>11565320
>get jailed (or worse) for questioning state religion
again, all of human history had some form of oppression, and it was always way worse than today

>> No.11565367

>>11565364
>neo-neo-reaction
i see the internet is finally evolving lmao

>> No.11565368

>>11565360
name a better time than today for the average person

>> No.11565375

>>11565336
Steven Pinker is right

>> No.11565388

>>11565316
Why do the most developed countries have the highest rate of mental illness then?

>The United States, Colombia, the Netherlands and Ukraine tended to have higher prevalence estimates across most classes of disorder, while Nigeria, Shanghai and Italy were consistently low, and prevalence was lower in Asian countries in general. Cases of disorder were rated as mild (prevalence of 1.8–9.7%), moderate (prevalence of 0.5–9.4%) and serious (prevalence of 0.4–7.7%)

>> No.11565392

>>11565368
It's not about current material comfort, it's also about prospects for the future, and this bubble ain't gonna last for long, especially if we're to change from the technocratic direction we're currently heading.

>> No.11565398

>>11565316
>Modern day is hands down the best period of time to live in ever
And yet people are revolting against progressivism in droves. Hardly bodes well for your much vaunted utopia

>> No.11565399

>>11564772
>if a man is struck by lightning, of course he was struck by lightning because being struck by lightning is possible in this universe!

Says nothing about the probabilities. Not based.

>> No.11565447

>>11564583
Suddenly

>> No.11565460

>>11565447
i'm home again

>> No.11565465

>>11565388
>implying more accurate diagnosing and tracking mean increase in the actual disease
try again

>> No.11565475

>>11565392
so you admit currently, inside this bubble, it is the best time ever?
>>11565398
this is particularly stupid,
best time so far =/= utopia
current time has it's problems, but nothing compared with past history

>> No.11565476

>>11565465
That's a shit excuse, since suicide rates are also astronomical as well.

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11565480

>>11564626
This but unironically.

>> No.11565484

>>11565475
>best time so far =/= utopia
>current time has it's problems, but nothing compared with past history
And yet you you use the past to deflect any criticism of hte present? NAH SHUT UP YOU AHVE APPLE PHONE AN DNETFLIX YOU AHVE NO WRITE TO COMPLAIN ALSO OUR WRIGHTS ARE BEING STRIPPED FROM US DAY BY DAY BUT NAH I CAN GET A TATTOO AND GET LAID AND THEN EUTHANISE MYSELF WHEN IM BORED OF THAT SO FUCKING YIPPEEEE

>> No.11565494

>>11564772
This has already received too many (You)s but I'm genuinely curious of your defense as to why life is fine tuned for our solar system rather than our solar system being fine tuned for life.

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11565495

>>11564563
You mind sharing an example?

>> No.11565503

>>11565476
>>11565484
I am yet to hear any quality raised of any time in history which is superior to today. People killed themselves less in the past? Could the much higher chance of dying young of other causes have something to do with that? Also, your rights are being striped? First of all, having the rights in the first place is phenomenal, secondly, you have options open to you to protest the erosion of your rights as never before

>> No.11565508

>>11565503
why are you so afraid to suffer and die

>> No.11565510

>>11565140
>Christians don't like Peterson because he's not Christian
From what I've seen, most posters on this board aren't so vapid that they immediately discredit others from disagreeing with their dogma. Perhaps... this is projection?

>> No.11565518

>>11565508
I don't know, I guess I tend to want to avoid suffering and death, I'm funny that way

>> No.11565528

Prove it you little shit, because you’re making some grandiose claims.

>> No.11565531

You're wrong, it clearly points towards Allah

Now inshallah you will convert

>> No.11565605

>>11565518
lol ur a pussy

>> No.11565616

if jesus was so smart, why didn't he write any of his thoughts down

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11565621

>>11565616
>writing
>thinking
>thinking jesus was this much of a beta
please stop projecting

>> No.11565642

confirmation bias
you're a retard

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>>11565518

>> No.11565706

>>11565621
methinks he was just illiterate

>> No.11565837

>>11565012
>He is the perfect representation of what a person should be
And to do this, we are condemned to project ourselves onto that atomized ideal of Christ to conceptualize 'perfection', yet ignore the truth that we chose to deface the untouchable with our anthropomorphic filth.

>> No.11565851

>>11565837
You can look at it that way. Or believe that God sent us his son as the definition of a perfect man because it would be easier for us to follow as an example.

>> No.11565945

>>11565316
yikes

>> No.11565965

>>11564563
because confirmation bias
you will see the number 22 a lot this week

>> No.11566025

>>11564666
Not really. Most people on this board seem to have recognised the irony of the situation by now.

>> No.11566033

>>11564818
Embrace irony.

>> No.11566039

>>11564563
>why does all bullshit eventually point to >>>/pol/?
It's a fucking mystery!

>> No.11566041

>>11564708
slit your wrists, incel mongrel

>> No.11566042

>>11565140
Absolutely pristine post. Saving this one.

>> No.11566048

>>11565175
Thank you for confirming the accuracy of that other guy’s enormous green text. Your beliefs are just utterly clueless contrarianism. Nothing more.

>> No.11566050

>>11566039
kill yourself

>> No.11566053

Because apophenia is a real condition that you have

>> No.11566058

>>11564818
here is your new core tenet:
the two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity
thank me later

>> No.11566064

>>11565508
You’ve endured no suffering in your life stfu

>> No.11566065 [DELETED] 

Belief in science functions on definitive deductions (if this is so then this is so) and belief in God functions in the realm of possibilities (What if this were so).

Yes, the if/thens are relatively meaningful to people, but to absorb the entirety of human experience they can not forget the "what if"'s.

If the universe is observed backwards then it comes to a beginning point at which the concept of time is not applicable. Yes, but "what if" there is a before-the-universe in a causal sense?
If the neurons fire in such a manner then the consciousness exists in such a manner, but "what if" these are just correlations through the soul and a greater spiritual order?
If these phenomena happen in such a manner then you can expect antecedent phenomena to occur, but "what if" there is a purpose behind all of these interactions?
There is no direct evidence of God, but "what if" it was possible.

>> No.11566070

>>>>/x/

reported

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>>11566070

>> No.11566075

>>11565494
our solar system is probably fine tuned to our galaxy
and the universe is probably fine tuned for life

t. agnostic

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11566077

>>11565140
Saved and redpilled. Only reason to go to church is to save the west, not because you want to get closer to God.

>> No.11566087

>>11566050
why the fuck would i do that?
i'm maybe the only person with common sense itt

>> No.11566090

this thread is nxtlvl fluorescent rainbow pill desu

>> No.11566096

>>11564563
So how does the fact that it's a scholarly consensus that Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher and he never claimed to be god "point to Christ" ?

>> No.11566097

Belief in science deals with deductions (if this is so then this is so) while belief in God deals with the realm of possibilities (what if?)

If we observe the universe backwards then we come to a point where the conception of time is no longer applicable, but "what if" there is an eternal causal order preceding it?
If certain neurological events occur then we can expect apropos mental events to occur, but "what if" this correlation is involved with the soul and a greater spiritual order?
If specific phenomena occur together then we can expect the consequence, but "what if" there is a purpose behind all of these interactions?

>> No.11566163

This thread was moved to >>>/his/5112003