If Ernest Hemingway was so manly why did he kill himself like a sad little bitch? Talk about over-compensating.

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Anonymous Fri Aug 3 09:04:09 2018 No.11561361 [Reply] [Original]

If Ernest Hemingway was so manly why did he kill himself like a sad little bitch?

Talk about over-compensating.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 09:10:18 2018 No.11561388 >>11561361 Why do you think suicide is unmanly?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 09:14:20 2018 No.11561398 >>11561361 If I recall correctly he used his head to bang his way out of a crashed plane in Africa. This lead to brain damage. Which, in turn, lead to him killing himself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 09:31:24 2018 No.11561473 >>11561361 Brain damage, impotence, and old age. “I shall go mad” ~ Lear

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 11:55:31 2018 No.11561956 >>11561361 Suicide is literally the most manly thing one can do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 12:00:24 2018 No.11561974 >>11561388 Because he's a fucking bitch idiot. Suicide is the most masculine thing ever. Imagine being so mad you fucking murder yourself. >>11561956 This guy gets it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 12:06:38 2018 No.11562004 >>11561361 Suicide is running away from your problems and in no way is it manly. Yes he was ill but that doesn't make it manly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 12:33:46 2018 No.11562140 >>11561361 >>11562004 remember this thread and post you made when for weeks on end your organs are deteriorating on your death bed and a nurse has to pull away the diarrhea from your pants after every meal

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 12:38:31 2018 No.11562161 >>11561361 It was a family thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 12:44:46 2018 No.11562198 >>11561361 Tbf the plane crash fucked his brain up

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 12:57:06 2018 No.11562257 >>11562140 No excuse

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 12:58:20 2018 No.11562266 >>11562140 >not getting off to a woman handling your scat against her will Never gonna make it, sonny

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:10:30 2018 No.11562318 File: 38 KB, 460x133, styledon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11561361 >why did he kill himself Tried to read his own prose.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:12:10 2018 No.11562326 >>11561398 Seems his brain issues were more likely genetic. Suicide ran in his family.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:15:28 2018 No.11562337 >>11562266 you think highly and worthily of your self for no reason. Why does a nurse that has to handle your dying old man shit not have the right to kill you instead? Especially if your getting off to it, she could pull the plug right

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:18:31 2018 No.11562351 I'm not sure if I'll kill myself by deciding to stop breathing or by eating raw octopus, which is more manly?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:25:59 2018 No.11562373 >>11562004 >running away from your problems no, it's headrushing into the biggest problem imaginable. literally, EVERYTHING is a minor consideration compared to the weight of death.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:32:21 2018 No.11562397 He was severely depressed and his wife forced him to attend electrotherapy which only fried his brain more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:34:31 2018 No.11562407 This isn't /fitlit/ anymore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:36:05 2018 No.11562420 >>11562373 Well why would anyone kill themselves then?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:40:10 2018 No.11562433 >>11562420 I'm just really confused about what you are missing here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 13:48:58 2018 No.11562476 >>11562397 wtf, is that true?

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 14:01:56 2018 No.11562525

There is nothing manly about torturing a man. Obviously he believed he was experiencing unbearable pain and if you were to deprive him of his believed relief it would be akin to torture. Of course it is possible he acted severely in only a temporary harsh mood, which is what one hopes, and why yall say what you do, that if you were there to talk him out of it, he would have thanked you profusely that he was merely in a passing bad state of mind. Difficult to tell if the mood is just passing or if it would have been his there on out, and he wasnt getting any younger.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 14:05:03 2018 No.11562542 When your quality of life gets low and you get no enjoyment out of life, why stick around?

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 14:07:31 2018 No.11562547

"Through the end of the 1950s, Hemingway continued to rework the material that would be published as A Moveable Feast.[133] In mid-1959, he visited Spain to research a series of bullfighting articles commissioned by Life magazine.[139] Life wanted only 10,000 words, but the manuscript grew out of control. For the first time in his life unable to organize his writing, he asked A. E. Hotchner to travel to Cuba to help him. Hotchner helped him trim the Life piece down to 40,000 words, and Scribner's agreed to a full-length book version (The Dangerous Summer) of almost 130,000 words.[140] Hotchner found Hemingway to be "unusually hesitant, disorganized, and confused",[141] and suffering badly from failing eyesight.[142]"

"On July 25, 1960, Hemingway and Mary left Cuba, never to return. During the summer of 1960, he set up a small office in his New York City apartment and attempted to work. He left New York City for good soon after. He then traveled alone to Spain to be photographed for the front cover for the Life magazine piece. A few days later, he was reported in the news to be seriously ill and on the verge of dying, which panicked Mary until she received a cable from him telling her, "Reports false. Enroute Madrid. Love Papa."[143] However, he was seriously ill and believed himself to be on the verge of a breakdown.[140] He was lonely and took to his bed for days, retreating into silence, despite having had the first installments of The Dangerous Summer published in Life in September 1960 to good reviews.[144] In October, he left Spain for New York, where he refused to leave Mary's apartment on the pretext that he was being watched. She quickly took him to Idaho, where George Saviers (a Sun Valley physician) met them at the train"

"At this time, Hemingway was constantly worried about money and his safety.[142] He worried about his taxes and that he would never return to Cuba to retrieve the manuscripts he had left there in a bank vault. He became paranoid, thinking the FBI was actively monitoring his movements in Ketchum.[145][146] The FBI had, in fact, opened a file on him during World War II, when he used the Pilar to patrol the waters off Cuba, and J. Edgar Hoover had an agent in Havana watch Hemingway during the 1950s.[147] By the end of November, Mary was at her wits' end, and Saviers suggested Hemingway go to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota, and Hemingway may have believed he was to be treated there for hypertension.[145]

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 14:08:34 2018 No.11562551

The FBI knew Hemingway was at the Mayo Clinic, as an agent later documented in a letter written in January 1961.[148] In an attempt to maintain anonymity, Hemingway was checked in at the Mayo Clinic under Saviers's name.[144] Meyers writes that "an aura of secrecy surrounds Hemingway's treatment at the Mayo" but confirms he was treated with electroconvulsive therapy as many as 15 times in December 1960 and was "released in ruins" in January 1961.[149] Reynolds was able to access Hemingway's records at the Mayo, which indicated that the combination of medications given to Hemingway may have created the depressive state for which he was treated.[150]"

"Three months after Hemingway was released from the Mayo Clinic, when he was back in Ketchum in April 1961, Mary "found Hemingway holding a shotgun" in the kitchen one morning. She called Saviers, who sedated him and admitted him to the Sun Valley Hospital; from there he was returned to the Mayo Clinic for more electroshock treatments.[151] He was released in late June and arrived home in Ketchum on June 30. Two days later, in the early morning hours of July 2, 1961, Hemingway "quite deliberately" shot himself with his favorite shotgun"

"Hemingway's behavior during his final years had been similar to that of his father's before he killed himself;[158] his father may have had the genetic disease hemochromatosis, due to which the inability to metabolize iron culminates in mental and physical deterioration.[159] Medical records made available in 1991 confirm that Hemingway had been diagnosed with hemochromatosis in early 1961.[160] His sister Ursula and his brother Leicester also killed themselves.[161] In addition to being affected by his physical ailments, Hemingway's health was compromised by his having been a heavy drinker for most of his life.["

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 14:10:43 2018 No.11562559

" The Hemingway family suffered a series of accidents and health problems in the years following the war: in a 1945 car accident, he "smashed his knee" and sustained another "deep wound on his forehead""

"Hemingway sank into depression as his literary friends began to die: in 1939 William Butler Yeats and Ford Madox Ford; in 1940 Scott Fitzgerald; in 1941 Sherwood Anderson and James Joyce; in 1946 Gertrude Stein; and the following year in 1947, Max Perkins, Hemingway's long-time Scribner's editor and friend.[113] During this period, he suffered from severe headaches, high blood pressure, weight problems, and eventually diabetes—much of which was the result of previous accidents and many years of heavy drinking"

"In 1954, while in Africa, Hemingway was almost fatally injured in two successive plane crashes. He chartered a sightseeing flight over the Belgian Congo as a Christmas present to Mary. On their way to photograph Murchison Falls from the air, the plane struck an abandoned utility pole and "crash landed in heavy brush". Hemingway's injuries included a head wound, while Mary broke two ribs.[120] The next day, attempting to reach medical care in Entebbe, they boarded a second plane that exploded at take-off, with Hemingway suffering burns and another concussion, this one serious enough to cause leaking of cerebral fluid.["

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 14:12:24 2018 No.11562574

"When a bushfire broke out, he was again injured, sustaining second degree burns on his legs, front torso, lips, left hand and right forearm.[124] Months later in Venice, Mary reported to friends the full extent of Hemingway's injuries: two cracked discs, a kidney and liver rupture, a dislocated shoulder and a broken skull.[123] The accidents may have precipitated the physical deterioration that was to follow. After the plane crashes, Hemingway, who had been "a thinly controlled alcoholic throughout much of his life, drank more heavily than usual to combat the pain of his injuries."

"From the end of the year in 1955 to early 1956, Hemingway was bedridden.[131] He was told to stop drinking to mitigate liver damage, advice he initially followed but then disregarded.[132] In October 1956, he returned to Europe and met Basque writer Pio Baroja, who was seriously ill and died weeks later. During the trip, Hemingway became sick again and was treated for "high blood pressure, liver disease, and arteriosclerosis""

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 14:24:04 2018 No.11562621 >>11562547 >He worried about his taxes imagine a great eternal american worldly treasure having to worry about his taxes how many bankers in history do you have to add together to equal a mozart

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 15:03:57 2018 No.11562789 >>11562337 She willingly engaged the contract of employment knowing fully its requirements and responsibilities

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 15:08:41 2018 No.11562810 >>11562789 I was merely wondering it might be more dignifiedly manly in such a state to kill oneself than inflict that type of disgrace onto the world and a young lady

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 15:44:31 2018 No.11562953

>>11561361
>>11562547
>>11562551
>>11562559
>>11562574
^this, probably this op
>in a 1945 car accident, he "smashed his knee" and sustained another "deep wound on his forehead
>During this period, he suffered from severe headaches, high blood pressure, weight problems, and eventually diabetes—much of which was the result of previous accidents and many years of heavy drinking
>In 1954, while in Africa, Hemingway was almost fatally injured in two successive plane crashes. He chartered a sightseeing flight over the Belgian Congo as a Christmas present to Mary. On their way to photograph Murchison Falls from the air, the plane struck an abandoned utility pole and "crash landed in heavy brush". Hemingway's injuries included a head wound, while Mary broke two ribs.[120] The next day, attempting to reach medical care in Entebbe, they boarded a second plane that exploded at take-off, with Hemingway suffering burns and another concussion, this one serious enough to cause leaking of cerebral fluid
>When a bushfire broke out, he was again injured, sustaining second degree burns on his legs, front torso, lips, left hand and right forearm.[124] Months later in Venice, Mary reported to friends the full extent of Hemingway's injuries: two cracked discs, a kidney and liver rupture, a dislocated shoulder and a broken skull.[123] The accidents may have precipitated the physical deterioration that was to follow
>"From the end of the year in 1955 to early 1956, Hemingway was bedridden.[131] He was told to stop drinking to mitigate liver damage, advice he initially followed but then disregarded. During the trip, Hemingway became sick again and was treated for "high blood pressure, liver disease, and arteriosclerosis""
>and suffering badly from failing eyesight.
> A few days later, he was reported in the news to be seriously ill and on the verge of dying, which panicked Mary until she received a cable from him telling her, "Reports false. Enroute Madrid. Love Papa."[143] However, he was seriously ill and believed himself to be on the verge of a breakdown.
>but confirms he was treated with electroconvulsive therapy as many as 15 times in December 1960 and was "released in ruins"
>Reynolds was able to access Hemingway's records at the Mayo, which indicated that the combination of medications given to Hemingway may have created the depressive state for which he was treated
>She called Saviers, who sedated him and admitted him to the Sun Valley Hospital; from there he was returned to the Mayo Clinic for more electroshock treatments.[151] He was released in late June and arrived home in Ketchum on June 30. Two days later, in the early morning hours of July 2, 1961, Hemingway "quite deliberately" shot himself with his favorite shotgun"
>Medical records made available in 1991 confirm that Hemingway had been diagnosed with hemochromatosis in early 1961.[160] His sister Ursula and his brother Leicester also killed themselves.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 16:18:15 2018 No.11563115 >>11561361 Years of booze and brain trauma, plus his inability to relive his golden years. Hunter Thompson (before he became a drug addled caricature of himself) wrote a good article on Hemingway's final years that's not hard to find online.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 19:32:55 2018 No.11563966 >>11562953 Probably this op

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 19:34:00 2018 No.11563978 >>11561388 Why did Hemingway think suicide was unmanly?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 21:02:08 2018 No.11564326 >>11562953 OP, it was probably this

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 21:06:53 2018 No.11564340 >>11561361 Killing yourself is probably one of the most masculine ways of dying their is. Men are over-represented 4:1 in American suicides.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 21:11:21 2018 No.11564361 File: 22 KB, 259x279, 1483348619655.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11564340 >american'ts >men

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 21:18:54 2018 No.11564387
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>>11564340
Women are actually more likely to attempt suicide than men. They’re just less likely to own guns and, if they do, they lack the spatial awareness to know where to put the bullet to hit something vital, so they usually fail. Men attempt suicude less often but are more likely to succeed

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 21:24:00 2018 No.11564410 >>11561361 Suicide is manly as fuck. Do you know how much balls it takes to end your known life knowing that literally anything (or nothing at all) can happen afterwords?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 21:26:07 2018 No.11564417 >>11564410 This is like saying trannies are braver than soldiers.

>>	Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 Fri Aug 3 21:29:10 2018 No.11564426 >>11564387 This factoid doesn't take the fact that there are multiple types of suicide attempts into consideration. An attempt that amounts to a cry for help shouldn't be categorized the same as a genuine attempt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 23:15:30 2018 No.11564825 >>11561361 >If Ernest Hemingway was so manly why did he kill himself like a sad little bitch? Op, probably this >>11562953

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 23:17:47 2018 No.11564833
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You sound so damn ignorant. I can tell you have no intimate knowledge concerning severe depression or true isolation.

There is a hopeless impossibility to it all, and despite any big breaks or brief turns for the better, it always wins in the end. Always.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 23:19:23 2018 No.11564839 >>11564417 No it’s not. The largest religion in the world believes that if you kill yourself you go to hell. Nothing soldiers go through can compare to eternal suffering.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 23:20:25 2018 No.11564844 File: 96 KB, 900x644, cf46e874b16572458d8da5a288db2f83.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11561361 He was in the trenches you fucking cuck. We can't even imagine what the was like. Old demons persist.

Anonymous Fri Aug 3 23:24:08 2018 No.11564854

>>11561388
Masculinity has always been associated with words, acts and behaviours that signal health and power in the man in possession of them. Some argument could be made that Cato’s suicide following the defeat of the senators of Rome was a masculine act. Indeed, I might see ritualistic suicide in the wake of defeat or severe dishonour in general as masculine. But killing yourself because of “the fundamental meaninglessness of everything” or some shit like that, though it may be poetic and even philosophical, is not masculine

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 23:29:27 2018 No.11564873 >>11562397 >>11562476 Electroconvulsive therapy gets a bad rap, but it is actually very effective when done right. It does have a nontrivial chance of causing amnesia, leading to loss of skills, but it's a decent last resort.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 23:32:26 2018 No.11564885 File: 1.35 MB, 1086x608, 1521126483678.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11561361 Chemical imbalance in the brain, topping himself off was family tradition for the Hemingway's.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 23:35:32 2018 No.11564902 >>11564885 >Chemical imbalance in the brain This is fucking bullshit son.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 23:36:26 2018 No.11564907 The CIA was on his ass. They didn't like his socialist sympathies. Why do you think he lived in Cuba? He got Mcarthy'd

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 00:34:57 2018 No.11565102 >>11564873 I would think the lowest possible voltages would be the safest start if anything, not what is show in like movies and stuff where they are spazzing out

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 00:35:58 2018 No.11565107 >>11564885 probably this >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 00:42:27 2018 No.11565120 >>11562004 You have to be 18+ to post on this site

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 02:57:12 2018 No.11565559 >>11562953 Op, he probably killed himself because this

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 03:00:11 2018 No.11565566 His writing came from memory, and he was diagnosed with Alzheimer. He was going to lose the one thing he held onto his entire life

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 03:18:44 2018 No.11565611 >>11564387 See >>11564426, taking an extra two Ibuprofen and then calling all "those bitches who call themselves [your] friends" is only a suicide on paper.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 03:21:17 2018 No.11565619 >>11564387 >papists mocking Hemingway on /lit/ >not getting my fish on the train It's enough to make a man join the Klan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 03:45:45 2018 No.11565664 >>11561361 The answer to your OP, OP, is probably this >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 05:27:58 2018 No.11565953 >>11561956 who else would have the balls to even try to kill Ernest Hemingway?

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 08:48:07 2018 No.11566470

>>11564387
>Women are actually more likely to attempt suicide than men.
Everyone knows this already you pseud.
>They’re just less likely to own guns and, if they do, they lack the spatial awareness to know where to put the bullet to hit something vital, so they usually fail.
No, it's because there's a difference between killing yourself vs. attention seeking. Women don't accidentally "fail" at committing suicide, they just make more suicidal gestures with no intention of actually killing themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 08:49:35 2018 No.11566477 >>11564361 It's almost exactly the same ratio in Europe (if anything it's a slightly higher male to female ratio in Europe).

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 12:33:12 2018 No.11567221 >>11561361 >If Ernest Hemingway was so manly why did he kill himself If I had to take a stab at it, or, give it a shot, I would gander it was probably this, op: >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 12:39:58 2018 No.11567253 >>11562953 >electroshock treatments Makes me wonder if medical doctors are using techniques today that are this wrongheaded and completely counterproductive. My money is on chemotherapy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 12:42:06 2018 No.11567262 >>11565953 this is the most low-t post I have ever seen and I have seen posts on /mu/

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 12:59:13 2018 No.11567305 >>11564854 You are a fag I bet you want death to take you like a little bitch Instead of dying on your terms, standing like a real man

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 15:52:21 2018 No.11568089 >>11561361 OP, it might be this >>11562953

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 15:54:59 2018 No.11568107

DEATH IS LIKE A SUCK COCK
I AM A MAN
BEREFT OF LIFE MAN HAS NO PUSSY
SPLENDID IS THE WAY OF SELF SUICIDE
NO OTHER SHALL CONQUER ME
I TAKE THE GUN AND AIM
WHENEVER I WANT TO
BAM BAM
BLOOD STICKY LIKE CUM AND SWEAT
BRAINS? WHO NEEDS EM
PAPA WANTS SOME FUCK

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 15:55:52 2018 No.11568112 >>11568107 you cant write for shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 16:00:52 2018 No.11568141 >>11567262 Nah that was a funny joke and you're an incel

Anonymous Sat Aug 4 16:07:24 2018 No.11568171

>>11568141
if you think Hemmmmingay was masculine and that """""""joke"""""" was funny then I have no doubt I could beat the everloving shit out of you. First I would force your head down between your own legs and when you resisted I would kick the outside of your legs to make you fall on your ass then I would drag you into some prickly bushes and pull you pants down around your ankles. You'd be begging me to stop but I would slap your dick and your face with the same hand and you would cry like a bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 18:49:03 2018 No.11568880 >>11567253 Electroshock is still being used, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 19:09:21 2018 No.11568969 File: 16 KB, 346x346, john I'm back.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hemingway's books are all self-glorified period pieces. Prove me wrongo chucks

>>	Mitch A. Sat Aug 4 19:13:10 2018 No.11568987 >>11561361 If you're smart enough to truly understand what you're doing then it takes a lot of balls to make the decision to no longer exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 4 21:59:37 2018 No.11569590 >>11561361 im not entirely sure about the exact answer of your op question op, but it may have something to do with this >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 02:00:00 2018 No.11570518 >>11561361 OP, have you considered that this might be the reasons? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 05:43:11 2018 No.11571130 >>11567305 Can’t even fucking read. I said suicide isn’t manly unless it’s done in a cultural context that necessitates those who lose honour kill themselves. Since you’re an idiot maybe you should kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 05:46:31 2018 No.11571137 File: 121 KB, 1024x596, Nietzsche_Olde_04edit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11561361 The better question is, why did Freddie go mad?

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 05:48:28 2018 No.11571143
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>>11561974
>suicide is unmanly
>"NO U R BITCH LOL FIGHT ME"
>killing yourself because you can't live up t your own bullshit life is literally the most manly thing one can do
>"MAH BOYYYYY GETS IT LOL"
The summer never ends.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 09:06:15 2018 No.11571673 >>11561361 have you considered this OP? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 09:44:16 2018 No.11571815 >>11562547 >>11562551 >>11562559 >>11562574 It's neither of these OP. >>11562953 It's this one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 13:16:36 2018 No.11572879 >>11561361 Op have you read this yet? it might contain some answers to your question >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 14:09:50 2018 No.11573165 >>11562621 Like none because Mozart was poor

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 14:16:10 2018 No.11573205 >>11562953 OP your question has a solution, and using an advanced Bayesian decision algorithm run on my GNU/LINUX work terminal, I have deduced that it is most likely this

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 14:20:24 2018 No.11573227 >>11562547 also, he was probably a fatass. why else would he go to the mayo clinic like some sort of lardass american

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 14:24:47 2018 No.11573253

>>11568880
I'm aware of methods such as transcranial magnetic stimulation, but these methods differ greatly from the more crude forms used in the early 60s and late 50s. In those days they would fry you, it was up their with lobotomy in terms of half baked procedures. Back in the day people would get lobotomized if they had an attitude adjustment problem. Nowadays you only get it if you have like a brain tumor tier issue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 14:25:49 2018 No.11573263 >>11573253 up there with* I'm really autistic about grammar errors

Anonymous Sun Aug 5 14:28:42 2018 No.11573275

>>11573165
but considering his worth and value, some might say his art was invaluable, how many people have appreciated mozarts music, and have made and generated money from it, and for how many possible years to come? Do you really think if Mozart was not demanded by God to exalt him Mozart could not have been a banker?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 15:47:45 2018 No.11573751 >>11561361 was an answer like this, one you were looking for? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 18:30:15 2018 No.11574676 >>11561361 Op, if I had to take a guess, I guess I would guess it had something to do with this >>11562953

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>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 19:52:38 2018 No.11575014 >>11561361 Damn, you're such an idiot

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 22:30:28 2018 No.11575610 >>11561361 OP I think this might interest you, take a look, here >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 23:34:33 2018 No.11575823 >>11561361 Can't answer you, OP, but >>11562953 Might be a clue

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 23:49:38 2018 No.11575870 >>11562953 I don't really see how any of this has anything to do with OP's question

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 5 23:54:21 2018 No.11575878 >>11561361 Op, I think I see how this has to do everything with your question >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 00:56:14 2018 No.11576082 >>11561361 >>11562953 ^this Op

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 02:19:58 2018 No.11576321 >>11561361 suicide is badass

Anonymous Mon Aug 6 02:31:43 2018 No.11576351

>>11564854
I enjoy the study of history and appreciate your perspective because I wish I could inculcate myself in the world that was that period of time because the very stimuli and strains of existence, be it the many feedback loops that their lifestyle created and
the following expectations that came with it, ultimately guided their value for something like the idea of being valorous.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 03:04:12 2018 No.11576432 >>11561974 >Suicide is the most masculine thing ever. Imagine being so mad you fucking murder yourself. holy reddit batman

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 05:43:20 2018 No.11576761 suicide is badass

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 09:51:05 2018 No.11577672 >>11561361 oh wow, op did you see this? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 09:57:13 2018 No.11577701 >>11576432 >holy reddit batman holy faggot, queer

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 13:35:01 2018 No.11578400 >>11561361 Holy crap, I cant believe your sentiment could so shatteringly be destroyed resulting in you being so absolu >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 13:49:42 2018 No.11578463 >>11562953 Perhaps it is this, OP?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 15:58:53 2018 No.11579129 >>11561361 Yo OP, you see this? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 19:02:02 2018 No.11579933 >>11561361 Op >>11562953 ^This

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 6 21:34:19 2018 No.11580613 >>11561361 Holla atcha boiiiii >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 02:15:42 2018 No.11581478 >>11561361 >>11562953 c-check em

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 02:16:43 2018 No.11581482 >>11581478 i-if i-i d-didnt s-stutter I would have g-got t-those dubs so i-it counts alright

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 03:02:40 2018 No.11581588 >>11561361 waves hand across these are the posts youre looking for >>11562953

Anonymous Tue Aug 7 03:12:47 2018 No.11581609

>>11561361
>attempting suicide and failing because you're a pussy
>attempting suicide and fucking ending yourself because you're a man and don't take no for an answer

Suicide isn't necessarily the best way to go out, nor the most 'manly' but it's not something that little bitches can do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 09:22:33 2018 No.11582583 >>11561361 >>11562953 ^^^???

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 10:30:45 2018 No.11582793 >>11561361 Suicide is pretty manly. It requires guts and gumption. Most people who consider it (myself included) end up pussying out because we're milksops.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 13:57:51 2018 No.11583768 >>11561361 Yo, OP, did you see this? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 16:28:07 2018 No.11584569 >>11561361 We dont always get the answers we are looking for, but this may not be one of those times, what do you think OP? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 16:52:47 2018 No.11584711 >>11564387 Women are statistically more likely to attempt "clean" suicides that are also more likely to fail, like drug overdoses. Men usually opt for messy but effective, like throwing yourself under a train.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 19:04:55 2018 No.11585399 >>11561361 Well! Looky Looky here! >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 21:50:17 2018 No.11586202 >>11561361 dingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingding >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 7 22:13:32 2018 No.11586300 >>11564844 I thought he did red cross work in the front lines,not actually be in trenches and shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 00:37:09 2018 No.11586843 >>11561361 Is this reasonable? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 02:02:55 2018 No.11587097 >>11561361 ???????????? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 02:07:15 2018 No.11587115 >>11584711 Is hanging more common with women? I'd consider that clean but effective.

Anonymous Wed Aug 8 02:11:06 2018 No.11587126
File: 2.84 MB, 1280x720, [NaishoGrup][720p] 150802 Nogizaka46 – Nogizaka Under Construction ep15-[23.40.552-23.52.831].webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>11561361

if killing yourself is the pussy way out, then anyone should be able to do including you. kill yourself to prove it's the pussy way out. if not then you're full of shit and you are afraid to die. you're a pussy

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 02:13:56 2018 No.11587134 >>11584711 is it actually a clean vs dirty dichotomy, or are men just more likely to attempt actually effective suicide methods

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 02:16:34 2018 No.11587140 truly redpilled people kill themselves it takes bluepill to keep living(hope and that something might happen to you in the future that will make it worth waiting). in reality, nothing comes and you die a wage slave loser

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 09:33:04 2018 No.11588311 >>11561361 Yoooooooooooo, op, you see dis ish? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 12:18:30 2018 No.11588942 >>11561361 OP >>11562953 This^^^

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 12:21:01 2018 No.11588955 File: 3.89 MB, 200x200, mcmahon reaction gif.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11561974 >Imagine being so mad you fucking murder yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:25:29 2018 No.11589293 >>11584711 I tried to OD. Am I womanly, anon? I could transition for some hot anon, if they want.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:26:33 2018 No.11589298 >>11587115 Hanging is hard to do. Where the fuck am I going to do that? LMAO!

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 13:28:34 2018 No.11589308 >>11589298 Is this bait or Because hanging is one of the easiest ways to go. Get rope. Do partial suspension. Be dead in 30 minutes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 17:57:00 2018 No.11590589 He was so manly he could only be killed by himself

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 17:58:08 2018 No.11590601 >>11561361 >confronts death >unmanly you sound like the bitch

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 18:43:30 2018 No.11590798 >>11561361 Yo, op, you see this yet? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 19:31:54 2018 No.11591020 >>11564387 You mean they're more likely to fake a suicide attempt for attention than men. Suicide's not actually hard if it's really what you want. >omg I totally thought taking 7 tylenol would kill me, please pay attention to me ;_____;

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 19:43:58 2018 No.11591061 >>11587126 I'd be an even bigger pussy if I let a fucking stranger on the internet decide how I live my life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 20:13:05 2018 No.11591191 >>11564854 masculinity and femininity are both life affirming, they both signal health.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 8 20:25:33 2018 No.11591252 >>11564387 >they lack the spatial awareness to know where to put the bullet to hit something vital HAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 00:16:51 2018 No.11592122 >>11567253 >What is SRS?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 03:46:29 2018 No.11592683 >>11561361 Ahem, ahem >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 03:48:18 2018 No.11592686 File: 12 KB, 250x253, Yukio-Mishima.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If Yukio Mishima was so manly why did he kill himself like a sad little bitch? Talk about over-compensating.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 04:23:23 2018 No.11592794 >>11561361 c-check emmmmmmmm >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 04:30:24 2018 No.11592817 >>11561361 OP, the answer to your question probably lies herein: >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 10:39:45 2018 No.11593778 >>11561361 ???? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 13:11:04 2018 No.11594400 >>11561361 harakiri is manly as fck

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 13:12:54 2018 No.11594408 >>11594400 dub dubs of truth

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 15:56:37 2018 No.11595226 >>11561361 Does this answer your question? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 16:18:06 2018 No.11595317 >>11561388 Heil Hitler, I don't know why it could be seen as unmanly in Hemingway's case. He accomplished the things he wanted to, he just wanted out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 16:58:02 2018 No.11595485 >>11592686 >Staging a coup against the government you don't like, giving a passionate speech, and committing honourable suicide isn't the manliest thing ever.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 20:00:45 2018 No.11596519 >>11561361 !?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?! >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 20:07:29 2018 No.11596555 File: 556 KB, 1280x1572, yJA2xiA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11561361 Suicide can be the most chad way to die

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 23:20:45 2018 No.11597377 File: 199 KB, 1024x1226, 1533353302466.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Suicide is the second manliest way to die after dying alongside your brothers in the heat of battle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 9 23:26:55 2018 No.11597398 >>11597377 Spontaneous human combustion is cool too, because you know that Satan wants you early

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 01:50:39 2018 No.11598013 >>11561361 Yoooo opopopopopopop do you think this fits the mould for eliminating your quandaryious query? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 09:03:32 2018 No.11599102 >>11561361 would this perhaps perchance maybe mayhaps be relevant to the question so elegantly posed in the OPs OP? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 09:23:26 2018 No.11599153 >>11561361 Care to post examples of these supposed contradictions?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 12:22:20 2018 No.11599816 >>11561361 OP do you think this solution solves the problem of the provokement of your OPs pungent portrayal? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 13:18:48 2018 No.11600087 >>11562351 >Zeno stopped breathing >Diogenes ate raw octopus Diogenes is far manlier than Zeno, go for the octopus.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 13:30:01 2018 No.11600126 >>11597377 This >>11597398 Fantastic. I kek'd.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 15:40:33 2018 No.11600883 >>11561361 what did he mean by this? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 17:01:09 2018 No.11601363 >>11562789 not true I became a nurse as a goof

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 10 18:42:31 2018 No.11601946 >>11561361 >why did he maybe, just a maybe, all we have is a maybe >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 01:18:07 2018 No.11603413 >>11561361 get a load of this >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 02:00:57 2018 No.11603530 >>11561361 c-check it out c- c-h ch- ch- ch- check it ooout >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 07:39:30 2018 No.11604539 >>11561361 yooyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyy? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 09:06:35 2018 No.11604791 >>11562373 And what if death doesn't scare and you've concluded that your problems can't be solved?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 11:15:39 2018 No.11605283 >>11561361 Do you think this touches upon your question op? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 13:30:58 2018 No.11605817 >>11561361 here here, here thee here thee >>11562953

Anonymous Sat Aug 11 17:39:10 2018 No.11606890

>>11561361
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>>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 17:56:21 2018 No.11606971 He fucked kids

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 18:16:36 2018 No.11607066 >>11562547 >Mayo Clinic sounds delicious

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 18:52:56 2018 No.11607250 >>11561361 huh? >>11562953

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 18:57:01 2018 No.11607273 >>11595485 He killed himself because he was afraid of getting older and dying of something like cancer in a hospital bed. It's almost the same reason as why DFW killed himself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 18:58:17 2018 No.11607280 >>11571143 everything's comin' up kevin

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 11 23:56:52 2018 No.11608489 >>11568171 holy fuck, not that anon, but you just proved his point. even if you are anderson silva deep inside you're just an incel.

Anonymous Sun Aug 12 00:47:34 2018 No.11608670

>Hemingway was hypermasculine
When did this meme start?

His books aren't about masculinity. They're barely about men. His best works involve both men and women, men that are damaged or far past their prime, and people that generally have to find their own way in the world, unable to rely on old comforts like a job or a wife or a penis.

Seriously, who started this shit? Hemingway's characters are pathetic sobs, not tree-chopping manly men.

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