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[Anonymous No.11560264]

what authors figured out how psychologically damaging modern metropolitan society is

[Anonymous No.11560344]

>>11560264
Theodore Kaczynski.

[Anonymous No.11561426]

Michel Houellebecq

[Anonymous No.11561434]

Rene Guenon

[Anonymous No.11561452]

>>11560264
T.S. Eliot. Roughly paraphrasing one of his essays:
>the modern condition can be summarized as the feeling of being alone when in a crowd

[Anonymous No.11561470]

>>11560264
Mein Kampf desu

[Anonymous No.11561641]

celine
balzac
bloy

[Anonymous No.11561666]

>>11560344
Ellul did it better.

[Anonymous No.11561693]

>>11561666
Ellul is a hypocrite

[Anonymous No.11561704]

Me

[Anonymous No.11561706]

>>11561693
why?

[Anonymous No.11561708]

Paul Schrader

[Anonymous No.11561712]

>>11560264
Fyodor "/lit/'s own bitch" Dostoevsky.

[Anonymous No.11561713]

>>11560264
Me

[Anonymous No.11561736]

>>11560264
What makes it such a bad place?

[Anonymous No.11561749]

Read Heroes by Bifo Berardi

[Anonymous No.11561789]

Aldous Huxley

[Anonymous No.11561799]

>>11560264
Uncle Ted, Hitler, few others

[Anonymous No.11561807]

gotchu senpai

[Anonymous No.11561809]

Ok, so after the books are read, what’s the best thing we can do in order to shield ourselves from this damage?

[Anonymous No.11561824]

[Anonymous No.11561831]

>>11561809
Prayer I would think. What else could possibly stop humans from destroying themselves and this planet?

[Anonymous No.11561848]

>>11561809
There are no abstract problems, only abstract people

[Anonymous No.11561906]

>>11560264
Mark Fischer, Capitalist Realism.

[Anonymous No.11561916]

>>11561906
>anticapitalist
tick
>depressed
tick
>kill himself
tick
>left wing
That's gonna be a NO from me senpai, he'd support and promote 70% of the problem

[Anonymous No.11561933]

>Adorno
>Arendt
>Baudelaire
>Balzac
>Beckett
>Brecht
>Broch
>DeBord
>Doblin
>Kafka
>Marx
>Musil
>Pessoa
>Proust
>Walter Benjamin
>Walser

>>11561916
Just read the book brainlet, it's barely even 100 pages.

[Anonymous No.11561935]

>>11561809
Realise that the damage you receive is self-inflicted, and that you can choose to not be affected such things if you know from whence they come.

[Anonymous No.11561942]

>>11561933
If he supports a left wing social and cultural agenda, then he clearly has no idea what he's talking about

[Anonymous No.11561946]

>>11561942
What are you on about? It's one of the best books written for todays issues.

[Anonymous No.11561950]

People posting names; which books specifically are the best for this topic?

[Anonymous No.11561952]

>>11561942
>partisan politics

[Anonymous No.11561958]

>>11561952
It's not partisan politics, I >>11561916 clearly agree with him on important issues. It's just a matter of fact that if you support a left wing social & cultural agenda, you have no credibility on OP's topic

[Anonymous No.11561960]

>>11561942
>>11561958
why

[Anonymous No.11561961]

Marx. Can all of you just start blaming the actual problem? Capitalism. You guys blame literally everything else but you won't say the actual problem. It's Stockholm syndrome with capitalism. Scary thing.

[Anonymous No.11561968]

>>11561961
>unironically believing the most successful economic system in human history at reducing poverty is the cause of modern day ills

Imagine being this brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11561970]

Money is the problem. It should be used solely in the process of exchanging goods. Hoarding it, living your life for the sole purpose of acquiring wealth, is the cancer that is destroying this world. The end goal is not a good one, not a moral one, not a just one.

[Anonymous No.11561983]

>>11561960
>That's gonna be a NO from me senpai, he'd support and promote 70% of the problem

>>11561961
The answer is definitely NOT someone who isn't promoting religion lmao

[Anonymous No.11561984]

>>11561968
Obviously capitalism has some good things about it but the point is that it doesn't fulfil humans. It doesn't give a shit about culture, the human experience, meaning, nothing. Does better technology and being rich bring happiness? It may to a certain degree but this whole cult worship of capitalism is bizarre. You can't criticise capitalism, money is God.

[Anonymous No.11561991]

>>11561984
Blaming capitalism for social ills is retarded. It's like blaming cars for traffic. It's literal brainlet cargo cult tier logic.

The problem is PEOPLE. We were never meant to exist in societies this large, interconnected, and densely populated.

[Anonymous No.11561996]

>>11560264
Ernesto Sabato.

[Anonymous No.11561997]

>>11561991
>meant
is-ought bullshit

[Anonymous No.11562005]

>>11561997
You know what I mean, don't pull leddit tier logical fallacy bullshit on me. Dunbar's number means we can only know about 300 people. That is our cognitive limit. Now throw such a highly evolved ape into a scenario where they can peacock for the attention of millions.

[Anonymous No.11562009]

>>11561809
Deep unyielding loyalty and compassion to friends and strangers alike, and an equally unyielding commitment to critical thinking.

>>11561942
You don't even know what those mean. "Social and cultural agenda's" are illusions that, at best, only serve to reinforce the problem. Part of the whole point of the work is pointing out how those sorts of movements have, up until this point, been reactionary at best because they don't recognize the radical changes undergone in capitalism since the 70s. Furthermore, referring to "The Left" as some sort of single ideology, especially if you include liberalism in that already vague category, only shows how little thought you actually put into political or social matters. It's a reactionary response, and means you'll never actually learn about any of the things you supposedly started this thread to learn about.

>>11561950
continuing from >>11561933
>Adorno - Dialectic of Enlightenment
>Arendt - Origins of Totalitarianism
>Baudelaire - Flowers of Evil
>Balzac - Père Goriot
>Beckett - Any, really.
>Brecht - Threepenny Opera, & War Primer (if you can get your hands on it)
>Broch - The Sleepwalkers
>DeBord - Society of the Spectacle
>Doblin - Berlin Alexanderplatz
>Kafka - The Trial
>Marx - Das Capital
>Musil - The Man Without Qualities
>Pessoa - Book of Disquiet
>Proust - In Search of Lost Time
>Walter Benjamin - One Way Street, Arcades Project
>Walser - Berlin Stories, Jakob von Gunten

I'll also add:
>Goethe - The Sorrows of Young Werther
>Rilke - The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge
>Valery - Dialogues, Monsieur Triste

[Anonymous No.11562010]

>>11561991
>Blaming capitalism for social ills is retarded.
Why? It doesn't, in fact, reward the most hard working of people. It's not exactly a fair system, it's very prone to exploitation.

>It's like blaming cars for traffic.
Expand on that because it makes zero sense.

>It's literal brainlet cargo cult tier logic.
Okay.

The problem is PEOPLE. We were never meant to exist in societies this large, interconnected, and densely populated.
Well, of course. I agree. Obviously I don't look at capitalism and see it as some evil personification. It's a tool that people thought of and implemented but it's a flawed tool and some people exploit those flaws while others suffer because of it. The world is a complete and utter fucking mess; pollution, overpopulation, piss poor 3rd world countries. I don't believe in an utopia but we can do better. And I do believe it has to do with our current system that we're using.

[Anonymous No.11562012]

>>11561991
>the Kingdom's problems are because of the King's subjects, not the king!

[Anonymous No.11562019]

>>11561991
>We were never meant to exist in societies this large, interconnected, and densely populated.
What is global capitalism?

[Anonymous No.11562024]

>>11562009
>hurr durr why has the economy changed since Friedman and the neoclassicals starting debunking a lot of keynesian ideas
>hurr durr the left's social policies aren't nearly completely homogenous
Shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.11562029]

>>11561991
>and densely populated.
And guess what? Capitalism, wealth, the urge to advance etc. may have something to do with the fact that people are moving into cities, expanding them and cramping the whole place up.

[Anonymous No.11562031]

>>11562010
So why do you blame capitalism?

[Anonymous No.11562032]

>>11561916
associating fisher with the left is a terrible simplification made only to discredit him
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/mark-fisher/exiting-vampire-castle

[Anonymous No.11562042]

>>11562031
Because it doesn't give a shit about the things that make human lives worth living. Money and technological advancement doesn't necessarily get you happiness. Obviously it has good qualities but it's far from perfect.

[Anonymous No.11562046]

>>11562042
People conflating the availability of commodities with a good life are absolutely lost.

[Anonymous No.11562052]

>>11562032
>W-w-we need the free and open exchange of i-ideas !1
And this is supposed to change my position how? Let me know when he advocates for Theocracy

"The show was defiantly pro-immigrant, pro-communist, anti-homophobic, saturated with working class intelligence and not afraid to show it, and queer in the way that popular culture used to be"

Y I K E S

[Anonymous No.11562063]

>>11562031
daily reminder that those living in tribal societies have more lasting, real abundance of resources than those under capitalism which relies on the constant threat of scarcity to function

[Anonymous No.11562070]

>>11562063
Lmaooooooo

[Anonymous No.11562072]

>>11560264
Why would the Russian Pokemon girl know how bad things really are? She's a spokesperson for one arm of the Russian's authorities tool of control and conquest if I remember correctly, that makes her just as if not more complicit in the utter shitshow of modernity as any regular bluepilled normie.

[Anonymous No.11562076]

>>11562052
his critiques of capitalism can be used just as easily by advocates of theocracy

[Anonymous No.11562086]

Guy Debord

[Anonymous No.11562091]

>>11562052
the whole essay is a rebuke of identity politics, but okay.
>>11562032
>associating fisher with the left is a terrible simplification made only to discredit him
He's not a liberal, but liberals aren't associated with the "left' (anti-capitalist, anti-hierarchy) anyway. The dude's a marxist, albeit a very strange one, most visibly influenced by Jameson, Benjamin, Derrida, Zizek, and Delueze.

>>11562076
That's simply not true, if one of his whole problems with capitalism is its hierarchies.

[Anonymous No.11562092]

>>11561470
>obsesses over technology
>wants to make Berlin a city of autistically-oversized buildings and city blocks
>wants to increase the German population like fourfold, which would by default increase population in the cities

Yeah, nah, Hitler really didn't care about this

[Anonymous No.11562118]

>>11562091
Wow he's so woke he's criqtiquing post-structuralism!11

>anti-"islamophobe" anti-"sexist" anti-"homophobe"

[Anonymous No.11562134]

>>11562091
>That's simply not true, if one of his whole problems with capitalism is its hierarchies.
ok, some of his critiques then, at least the ones pertaining to OP, which aren't made on the basis of hierarchy but on the ways in which capitalism makes alternative political possibilities seem impossible

[Anonymous No.11562158]

>>11562134
>which aren't made on the basis of hierarchy but on the ways in which capitalism makes alternative political possibilities seem impossible
It'd be naive to think that theocratic societies aren't alienated. Hierarchy is necessarily alienating; captialism's alienation on the other hand, if we want to be traditional Marxists here, is based first and foremost in commodity production, which itself creates a hierarchy, but in which the top is no longer necessarily individuals wielding unchecked power over everyone else, but rather where commodities themselves assert themselves as more important and more "real" than the people who create them. This marxist critique doesn't seem to really support theocratic arguments.

The point is, if you really want an unalienated society, you need to eliminate hierarchy.

[Anonymous No.11562174]

>>11561996
I've only read the Tunnel and enjoyed it. I saw On Heroes and Tombs in Waterstones a few weeks ago for 2for3 quid and regret not buying it.

Anything else of his that's worth checking out?

[Anonymous No.11562201]

>>11560264
picrel is the perfect novelist for the subject

[Anonymous No.11562586]

>>11561970
money commits no crime
only humanities greed comits these atrocities

[Anonymous No.11562598]

>ctrl+f baudrillard
>0 results

wtf

[Anonymous No.11562605]

>implying modern metropolitan society is psychologically damaging
This is the best time in human history to be alive, and modern metropolitan society is less psychologically damaging than any other model in the history of humanity. Go live in some Indian village where you have to obey the elders or get gangraped and tell me about psychological damage

[Anonymous No.11562618]

>>11562605
No

[Anonymous No.11562632]

>>11562092
>t. hasntreadanythingaboutnatsoc

[Anonymous No.11562641]

>>11561708
I think you mean Hank Schrader

[Anonymous No.11562648]

>>11562605
Nothing is more psychologically damaging than metropolitan society, heterogeneous populations and cosmopolitism.

Getting raped in a society where you have the necessary social and cultural infrastructure tk deal with it in a human fashion would be a blessing compared to gettimg raped in an alley-way by people that do not speak your language, only to get medicine for it at a faceless doctor and then go home to Uoutube and your friendless existence.

We were never meant to be sheltered like this, combined with an inability to deal with issues when we're not. Your modernist society is anti-human, and I reject it wholesale.

[Anonymous No.11562650]

>>11562632
yeah they jerked off over some fantasy aryan peasant, but they still also had a hard-on for industry and material ""progress.""

Also their architecture was brutalist nonsense and would've been just as shitty to live around as modern concrete/glass bs

[Anonymous No.11562702]

>>11562648
>wahh people weren't supposed to live with other people. hearing other languages make me fweel sad :(
>now I will jerk off to roman society, which, as everyone knows, wasn't metropolitan, heterogeneous, or cosmopolitan

maybe you feel so sheltered because you stay inside all day and don't have any fucking friends.

[Anonymous No.11562750]

>>11562702
Not him but it's hard to deny that modern urban society makes it exceedingly hard to form lasting and meaningful relationships, especially after the gestation period of early childhood/adolescence.

If you find yourself in a situation where you don't have many solid friends, there's little communal opportunities to go out and naturally form friendships. Instead you have to force yourself to go to either bars / pubs or specific gatherings, like poetry nights or DnD competitions or whatever. And if you don't already have people who you know there, you're going to feel out of place and rather awkward. And on top of THAT, even if you do manage to strike up some conversations with people there, most people are just so damn busy and occupied these days that they're barely going to have time to remember "that one guy from that DnD night a few months ago."

I'm not going to fetishise the past as some human utopia, but there was clearly a much more communal element to relationships, friends, etc. It's the difference between being close friends with your old timey grocer and having a bland conversation with Wallmart Clerk #0485.

[Anonymous No.11562771]

>>11561942

[Anonymous No.11562887]

>>11562750
Oh I'll never deny that society is deeply alienating in every aspect, but it's not because all of a sudden there are brown people and big cities. That's such a foul misunderstanding of how alienation works.

[Anonymous No.11562901]

>>11560264
Ballard

[Anonymous No.11562985]

>>11562887
How does it work then? How can our giant, post-industrial conglomerates NOT be alienating? What would a "communal metropolis" look like?

[Anonymous No.11563008]

>>11561983
God is dead, bucko

[Anonymous No.11563016]

https://genius.com/William-wordsworth-the-prelude-book-7-annotated
But you need to read the full Prelude to really appreciate his perspective.

How oft, amid those overflowing streets,
Have I gone forward with the crowd, and said
Unto myself, "The face of every one
That passes by me is a mystery!"
Thus have I looked, nor ceased to look, oppressed
By thoughts of what and whither, when and how,
Until the shapes before my eyes became
A second-sight procession, such as glides
Over still mountains, or appears in dreams;

[Anonymous No.11563025]

just be rich and enjoy life lol

[Anonymous No.11563042]

I'm not really sure.
One in my opinion could be Camus,he has a lot of books and stories regarding human ethical,moral and philosophical degradation.
I remember in The Stranger when it portrays a damaged and aesthetically unpleasing Paris as well as the pathological relationship between a lonely old man and his dog,I remember reading aswell a short story about a young man tired of visiting a decrepit old woman.

[Anonymous No.11563123]

>>11561935
This is very true.

[Anonymous No.11563224]

>>11560264
who is ths sermon demon?

[Anonymous No.11563227]

>>11561991
>We were never meant to exist in societies this large, interconnected, and densely populated.
who says that?

[Anonymous No.11563242]

>>11562009
>wanting a bunch of jews to save you from modernity
never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.11563255]

until somone destroys the internet we are not going to survive past when we are supposed to...
idk how to destroy the internet but dget the TIOP guys on it WE NEED TO DESTROY IT complacency rises.
Please mediatate. Pray to god. Please anons. Energy is needed.
Thank you, love you all. I love all of you... <3

t. k swizz

[Anonymous No.11563263]

marx, lukacs, debord

[Anonymous No.11563277]

>>11562648
>Your modernist society is anti-human, and I reject it wholesale
-Sent from my iPhone

[Anonymous No.11563589]

>>11561666
Probably, but manifestos with numbered thesis statements, especially when related to some esoteric or cultish topic like Ted's one, are the comfiest type of literature bar none.

[Anonymous No.11563594]

>>11563224
Goddess-Empress for life
also known as mummy

[Anonymous No.11563597]

>>11563224

[Anonymous No.11564080]

>>11562031
> what are existential questions

It is pathetic how “X are not happy because they get much less money than Y” is even considered a problem to study in that closed atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.11564184]

>>11561666
Teddy actually believed in his shit enough to kill for it though. That makes it 100x more powerful.

[Anonymous No.11564195]

>>11561706
Not that anon, but probably because Ellul didn't actually attempt to "live out" his philosophy. He's still an incredible author though; I highly recommend him.

[Anonymous No.11564197]

>>11561935
Wishful thinking.

[Anonymous No.11564209]

>>11564184
>>11564195
>living one's philosophy.
>living one's sociopolitical philosophy.
>by one's self.
>in the woods.
>admiring a terrorist.
what the heck

[Anonymous No.11564250]

>>11561809
Nobody can tell you that. That's something you need to figure out for yourself after all the books are read.

[Anonymous No.11564256]

>>11562887
>but it's not because all of a sudden there are brown people
If you are surrounded by people who look different to you, then the feeling of alienation does become more intense.

[Anonymous No.11564264]

>>11560264
My penisvpoopee>>11561426
>>11561426
>>11561470
>>11561693
>>11561708
>>11561736
>>11561807
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>>11561809
>>11561809
>>11561933
O

[Anonymous No.11564268]

>>11560264
Heidegger

[Anonymous No.11564320]

There's probably a lot of books out there about humans being consumed by the things we've created. The fact that you can live in a city with thousands of people walking past you everyday on their way to work for enough money to have a place to go home to and food to eat just to be alive to wake up and do it again the next morning isn't something new to anyone. Even if everyone knows that's the way things are, what are they supposed to do? Be homeless? Live inna woods? There's no escaping this self-perpetuating machine we've created that consumes our time and spits out the right to be alive.

[Anonymous No.11564394]

>>11562072
can't beat em join em

[Anonymous No.11564399]

>>11560264
Murray Bookchin

[Anonymous No.11564411]

>>11560264

[Anonymous No.11564414]

>>11561997
> still believes the debunked is-ought fallacy
Neck yourself.

[Anonymous No.11564423]

>>11562042
>waah capitalism doesn't handhold me Into good choices waaah

[Anonymous No.11564425]

Why are you all so hung up on false necessity?
Why must the absence of Capitalism necessarily be Marxism?
Why must everything be framed as a war of two powers in this way?

Is there no peace from this ideology?

Why can we not throw both Friedman and Marx out the fucking window?

Why must it always be Pepsi vs Coca Cola?
Can we not imagine the possibility of Mtn Dew and Mello Yello?

[Anonymous No.11564455]

>>11560264

[Anonymous No.11564457]

>>11564423
I dont think the problem is that captialism isn't babying is. It's more the fact that the amount of effort required to make money is grossly variant and for the most part the qualifiers for who makes the most money are way way too stringent to the point where the whole system has become one eternal lottery where the reward is the right to live comfortably and be entered again for a chance to live luxuriously.

[Anonymous No.11564467]

>>11564425
>Is there no peace from this ideology?

[Anonymous No.11564474]

>>11564209
if he wasn't a terrorist nobody would know who he was, nor would his manifesto be so widely read. that's not admiration, just truth.

[Anonymous No.11564489]

>>11564425
How do you frame an alternative to modern capitalism while completely throwing out the ideas of Friedman and Marx?

[Anonymous No.11564503]

>>11564457
*the amount of money made according to required effort is grossly variant

[Anonymous No.11564516]

>>11564467
I see you and raise you

[Anonymous No.11564526]

>>11564516
>Paganism
>Not the essence of ideology

[Anonymous No.11564527]

>>11564489
For examples see the works of Bookchin as one example and Unger as another.

That's just on the anti-Marx left, there's as much in the conservative world as well, it's not all neofeudalism and fascism. Just got to keep an open mind

[Anonymous No.11564535]

>>11564526
>paganism

That word does not apply in this situation. Keep your kike religion to yourself.

[Anonymous No.11564558]

>>11564535
>kike religion
>bad

I find your lack of tov meod disturbing...

[Anonymous No.11564615]

>>11564474
imagine being such a terrible writer (which he was) that you need to resort to terrorism to get people to read your crap

[Anonymous No.11564620]

>>11560264
>psychologically damaging modern metropolitan society is
Living a the rural area with no one to talk to is worse.
Everyone saying this shit is a city dweller.

There's no opportunity here in the sticks. No jobs. Nothing. Life sucks. No where to go. Takes 40 minutes to drive anywhere. That's why I'm on this God forsaken site.

I'd move to a city in a heart beat if I could. You see, I'm poor in wealth and in credit score so no apartment for me.

[Anonymous No.11564627]

>>11560264
Unironically, Osama Bin Laden's letter to America (hello FBI) is a cohesive indictment against the U.S. and western civilization if you ignore all the 'muh Islam' parts.
>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

[Anonymous No.11564645]

>me 12 years old playing lego in my room
>mummy knocks on door and says bedtime
>tidy up lego and climb into bed
>mummy comes over and tucks me in
>tell mummy i need to speak to her about something very private
>mummy reassure me i can talk to her about anything
>tell mummy about problem where peepee go big and stiff very irritating
>mummy says is normal but needs tickle from time to time
>ask whats that
>mummy says she will show me how to
>take off pyjama bottoms and sit on mummys lap
>mummy gently stroke peepee and it go hard again
>kiss mummy and touch her boobies
>mummy unbutton her dress and let me suckle
>suddenly feel rush and peepee start pulsing
>hold on to mummy tight and yogurt comes out
>mummy licks love yogurt on her hand
>start to cry
>mummy ask whats wrong but just tell her i love her lots
>mummy says she loves me too and very proud of her big boy

[Anonymous No.11564658]

>>11564645

[Anonymous No.11564671]

>>11564645
Irony is a plague

[Anonymous No.11564676]

>>11564671
>finds an incest fantasy on 4chan
>thinks its ironic

summer fags ...

[Anonymous No.11564682]

>>11564620
you were supposed to make social connections with your community

you will be no less lonely in the city

[Anonymous No.11564707]

>>11564682
There is no community here.

[Anonymous No.11564709]

>>11564645
thanks now I'm ashamed of my MILF fetish you goddamn freak

[Anonymous No.11564715]

>>11564620
I live a fulfilling life in a small town (~1,500 people) in "flyover country" and I've lived in multiple cities like Portland and Savannah et c and I have to say, urban life is a concentration camp you have to pay rent for

[Anonymous No.11564727]

>>11562771
This is my image being used against me

[Anonymous No.11564739]

>>11564727
absurd. nobody created these memes, they popped into being

[Anonymous No.11564979]

>>11564727
Make a new one, bucko. You can't bloody sit around crying about the damnex thing I mean, like, it's too late, man. You're just enabling more people to steal your memes. Either you get your shit together and recognize what you did go help cause this to avoid it again in the future or it's gonna keep happening.

[Anonymous No.11565020]

>>11564727
>arms you dealt to the lowest of scum for a hefty profit (of you's) being turned against you
History shall repeat itself till the end of time

[Anonymous No.11565213]

>>11564979
even without the bucko this is a perfect jorden impression

[Anonymous No.11565231]

>>11562750
You don't find it hard to make friends because of modern life, it's because you're an asshole. You would also have been an asshole in whatever fantasy world you imagine is better

[Anonymous No.11565239]

>>11565231
that guys sounds like a totally ok human being.
You don't need to take it so personally when someone attacks your civilization.

[Anonymous No.11565246]

>>11565231
I'm a complete asshole and I have a ton of friends irl m8, too many to keep up with actually. You sound like you're projecting some personal issue onto anon.

[Anonymous No.11565252]

>>11565231
as an asshole, making friends is not hard, it's just about playing whatever game they want to play, and being reserved enough that they can project what they want you to be on to you. It's maintaining this facade that becomes difficult after a while especially if you drink too much around them and your actual interior asshole slips out too much

[Anonymous No.11565257]

>>11563277
>I do not like smoking cigarettes and yet I do
Do you see how retarded your analogy is now?

[Anonymous No.11565264]

>>11565239
>>11565246
>>11565257
Too close eh?

[Anonymous No.11565385]

>>11560264
MNM-DR

[Anonymous No.11565396]

>>11564645
Ok faggot you got me

[Anonymous No.11566156]

bump

[Anonymous No.11566173]

>>11564645

[Anonymous No.11566205]

>>11561968
By the numbers it's actually Communism but let's forget about China and Russia

[Anonymous No.11566208]

>>11564645
MOMMY

[Anonymous No.11566209]

>>11561991
2 iq post

[Anonymous No.11567169]

>>11562009
how does berlin alexanderplatz fit in there? genuinely curious.

[Anonymous No.11568754]

>>11562072
She's also an RPF icon in Russia, thanks to her worship of Tsar Nicholas II, and has RPF written about her in return.

[Anonymous No.11568784]

Was the 08 financial crisis one of the worst psychologically detrimental events in human history?

[Anonymous No.11568798]

>>11565257
>I reject cigarettes wholesale
>*inhales*

[Anonymous No.11568918]

Friedrich Von Hayek's concept of market economics is a cybernetic concept: the market as a massive self regulating information exchange system, that's just been getting more and more efficient as the capacity to harvest information grows and grows. Our civilisation is built on the ruins of the war effort of the 40s and the subsequent dyonisian orgy of the 60s just like medieval civilisation was built on the ruins of Rome. hippies took to buckminster fuller's ideal of the comprehensive designer and the cowboy archetype of the american frontier, in the 70s and 80s, cyberpunk filled the vacuum left behind by utopia, the refuse and the remnant of runaway capital accumulation. Reagan and Thatcher were not conservatives, but revolutionary agents of deterritorialisation. Trump and May are nothing but degenerated clones of the original prototype. Our popular culture, now managed by investment bankers, focus groups and 'woke' 20th somethings, remains likewise fixated on the collective childhood of the 80s. social media becomes another way of enforcing repression and narcissistic dependency. The spectre of the alt right is just another disciplinary boogeyman, just like 'radical islamic terrorism' and the soviet international. It's relation to the liberal media and the frightened cyberserfs is one of codependency. a self regulating system means something else entirely when you are the one being regulated.

the question is: HOW TO EXPLODE THE CONTINUUM OF HISTORY?

https://monoskop.org/images/0/09/Brand_Stewart_Whole_Earth_Catalog_Fall_1968.pdf

[Anonymous No.11568925]

>>11564615
Niggas will do anything to get on the hotsheets.

Very little has changed.

[Anonymous No.11568929]

>>11560344
If you need to kill people for your shitty manifest to get read maybe its not worth reading

[Anonymous No.11568935]

Who is the girl in the OP?

[Anonymous No.11568956]

>>11568929
tis right real authors kill themselves to promote books. A true intellectual's marketing technique.

[Anonymous No.11568991]

The only way to distance yourself from modern society is to be a self sustainable outcast; and even then, if you engage in doubleplusungood thought, the drone can appear over your shack at any moment. Of course, in the next 50 years ChinkoIslamic Corpostate will make that sort of lifestyle impossible.

[Anonymous No.11568993]

>>11568935
Anime cyborg.

[Anonymous No.11569249]

>>11568918
>Reagan and Thatcher were not conservatives, but revolutionary agents of deterritorialisation. Trump and May are nothing but degenerated clones of the original prototype.

Insightful. But the ineffectual leadership of both Trump and May is the result of warring factions sabotaging one another. Clinton was poised to continue Reagan's agenda far beyond what Reagan himself would likely deem wise or responsible. Her husband's short-sighted avarice is the reason China is now steadily consuming Africa.

We've been long overdue for another FDR. Someone strong enough to re-calibrate corporate interests with societal obligations. That's what lies at the heart of this political division: this forgotten history. A testament to corporate attempts to discredit and erase all populist and socialist legacies that have shaped society for the better.

You all step away from the problem. You either wish to destroy it - thus producing a vacuum you will not be able to fill - or avoid it. Creating viable alternatives is promising, but not enough to change things entirely. Someone has to get in there and wrestle with the beast.

This is the fourth hottest year in recorded history. Things are bad and bound to get worse. Either we change now, willingly and proactively, or we change later - unwillingly, reactively, and tragically. I'd rather pursue the former.

[Anonymous No.11569264]

>>11560264
If it's psychologically damaging, why are there tons of healthy, happy people living in modern metro areas for decades?

[Anonymous No.11569380]

>>11568935
Found her: She's qt Russian politician
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4JCQViRKg

[Anonymous No.11569468]

there is nothing wrong with society, only lazy people end up as losers
t. ayn bland

[Anonymous No.11569490]

>>11569264
>healthy, happy people living in modern metro areas
lol

[Anonymous No.11569518]

>>11561434
this
dont dick around

[Anonymous No.11569643]

The real question is, how do I survive the collapse of civilization?

[Anonymous No.11569862]

>>11569643
The same way we survived classical Rome and Mayan collapse, or the cycles of collapse in China

[Anonymous No.11569873]

>>11569490
Stay in denial I guess

[Anonymous No.11569911]

>>11569862
yeah but if you're posting on 4chan lets be real, you're not going to make it through any purge or societal collapse. might as well eat the bullet

[Anonymous No.11569917]

>>11569643
It's likelier that the people who can't survive urban life today will die out than urban life will.

[Anonymous No.11569954]

>>11569249
No dude you have it wrong. Trump is the messiah.

[Anonymous No.11569973]

>>11569911
Bullshit. Where there's a will there's a way.
There are veterans of Afghanistan war on this site right now.

Git gud

[Anonymous No.11569975]

>>11562042
>Because it doesn't give a shit about the things that make human lives worth living.
And who makes you the arbiter for what I or others find is "worth living"

[Anonymous No.11569976]

>>11569917
Urban areas literally import everything, including food from rural areas. Majority white flyover states stand a much better chance for survival when shit hits the fan.

[Anonymous No.11569982]

>>11569973
I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.11569991]

>>11569976
Completely bonkers bullshit. If "shit hit the fan" to the extent that urban life was no longer sustainable, everyone's done for. The government has major stakes in its cities.

[Anonymous No.11570008]

>>11568929
He killed people before he even created the manifesto, and stopped sending out bombs after he wrote it so you're wrong. He didn't kill people to get them to read his manifesto he killed people who in his eyes represented what was destroying society.

[Anonymous No.11570020]

>>11569991
the government is not god, life will go on when it collapses

[Anonymous No.11570031]

>>11560264

Industrial society and it's future is getting truer and truer everyday.

[Anonymous No.11570043]

>>11569991
I'm looking at this whether populated areas can function independently if communication and transportation networks are shutdown. Outside of foreign invasion, I don't see how urban life and civility breaking down affects the whole.

[Anonymous No.11570047]

>>11569643
assume this stance

[Anonymous No.11570048]

>>11570020
The government isn't an abstract object either. It's not just going to collapse.

>>11570043
You're looking at it the wrong way. Do you think cities just grew out of the ground or something? They were formed by people, extremely powerful people with high stakes in them. Rural flyover states would sooner be sacrificed for the cities than the other way around.

[Anonymous No.11570061]

>>11570048
There is clearly something I'm missing here. Care to walk us through it?

[Anonymous No.11570069]

Adorno

[Anonymous No.11570075]

>>11569954
It was either him or a borderline tyrannical scumbag.

Two more years to go. Here's hoping that blue wave hits him hard in the meantime.

>>11570048
I don't think any of us are ready for climate-induced collapse. Our best bet is to work together to combat climate change. We need big sweeping solutions now.

[Anonymous No.11570083]

>>11570061
You're missing the numbers. Statistically, cities get protection from the military first. You also act like city people are all completely useless on their own when that's also bullshit. Like I said, cities didn't just grow out of the ground; they were formed by people, namely, the most competitive and most intelligent people that exist.

[Anonymous No.11570097]

>>11570075
Let me guess, carbon taxes?
Fucking people on the left always throw out these vagueries about “big solutions,” when they will really just shill the same old one at the end of the day. And that solution has more to do with making the populace settle for less-happily. The only sweeping solution is massive population decline that will actually make a change. I nominate the continent of Africa and all the users of reddit and twitter to start.

[Anonymous No.11570103]

The Roman and Mayan collapses were very instructive-- once the infrastructure and economic support for cities goes, then they are abandoned. They are then used as quarries for building material, usually to the point that people don't even remember that their great grandparents were part of that city.

Government is just human organization.
Church, Family, Tribe, Business, State, all are competing governments.

[Anonymous No.11570134]

>>11570103
t. 15 year old brainlet

[Anonymous No.11570141]

>>11570097
I was thinking something more along the lines of a New Deal but for climate change. The government should treat climate change as seriously as it does military endeavors - both are a threat to national security. It's an issue that requires ambitious programs, big subsidies, that kind of thing. That's what the socialist democrats' platform should be.

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[pooposter No.11570153]

>>11570134
poop

[Anonymous No.11570164]

>>11560264
Ayn Rand (sort of, in her book "Anthem")

[Anonymous No.11570185]

>>11570141
Again, all it would take is another nation, most of whom are more populated, to produce more pollution to undo whatever we might reduce. The planet cannot sustain unlimited growth of human beings. But don’t worry, it will right our ship soon enough without us having to lift a finger.

[Anonymous No.11570263]

>>11570185
Preposterous. Most of the world is united in combating climate change - especially China. The only notable exception is US and that's because we have the largest, most formidable monster in the market being the capitalist superpower that we are. The enemy isn't another nation, it's corporate interest.

We have the capacity to solve this problem as long as we properly subsidize the research and development of meaningful solutions.

You're really rooting for mass annihilation, huh? I hate the thought of it.

[Anonymous No.11570280]

>>11570185
>The planet cannot sustain unlimited growth of human beings.
We won't just be on this planet forever.

[Anonymous No.11570294]

>>11570263
Are you fucking nuts? Ever been to China? I have and it is a nightmare of non-regulation. They literally “refine” shit oil and sell it to cook with. They have coal fire plants for everything and use banned refrigerants routinely. I am an HVAC engineer and have seen how they purge huge AC equipment: by simply venting it into the atmosphere.
Son, just the waste of human beings alone contaminating the ground water is too big a problem for humans to solve. Asimov did the calculations long ago that if humans increased by the current ratio they would consume all the resources of the known universe within a 1000 years.
You might know some of these things if your head wasn’t in the delusional fog of nonreality populated by those of your mindset.

[Anonymous No.11570309]

>>11570185
A regional nuclear war would fix it.
You could event purposely set off a volcano to do it.
A couple of nukes would create enough atmospheric cover to set the clock back 200 years.

It's been covered in science journals and even in pop sci media. Nat Geo has an article.

Look up Carboniferous Period man, all this carbon was in the air before, and many animals survive today from that time.

In fact, read Alan Weisman's The World Without Us. It makes it clear that there will simply be a different planetary ecological order, there will be no apocalypse. Only change.

Even as places like Oklahoma become worthless desert, the Canadian Plains are thawing and becoming arable.

[Anonymous No.11570338]

>>11570294
I'm not saying our rate of consumption should stay the same. I'm not saying that the human population should continue to increase exponentially. I'm saying I'd rather avoid mass annihilation. There is no reason why we should allow ourselves to idly drift toward global catastrophe. It's kinda sick the way you long for it.

I hear America was an environmental disaster before the EPA was enacted. The world can bounce back if we fight for it.

[Anonymous No.11570354]

>>11563042
>thinking The Stranger takes place in Paris

[Anonymous No.11570378]

>>11570354
lol nice catch wtf

[Anonymous No.11570405]

>>11561452
real shit

[Anonymous No.11570419]

>>11570149
Mods don't do it
Pooposter is too good for /lit/

[Anonymous No.11570427]

>>11570149
gods post among us

[Anonymous No.11570433]

>>11570309
Now you’re talking. The “world” won’t end- just our place in it.
And really, nothing so striking need happen. A good old fashioned virus usually does a pretty good job on us.

[Anonymous No.11570454]

>>11570338
You heard wrong. Again, you’re clearly a kid with little world experience. People once did the right thing because they saw the land as part of their world. Now, divorced from nature people do just what the letter of the law says and no more. I’ve never seen the EPA show up to a job site in 20 years of doing it. Not once. I’ve seen every kind of violation and open polluting of the enviroment not just tolerated but sanctioned. It comes back to the common denominator problem: man.

[Anonymous No.11570516]

>>11566208
ITS OVERRRR

[Anonymous No.11570622]

>>11562702
>everyone has free reign to choose their own interests and proclivities
>people consequentially have less in common with each other than they used to
almost seems like an axiom.

although there are certainly still "common" beliefs they're a weird cultural gestalt. which leaves every individual with the choice to either aim for their personal immage of this gestalt, the "common man," a common-sense life, which usually just means a 9-5 workaday existence or to invoke its antithesis and live like a troll or an underground man.

but still the modern world is probably not as bad as grim channers would have you believe, people have been faced with similar decisions at many points throughout history and have still managed to do great and transcendent things.

[Anonymous No.11570778]

>>11562063
You’d have to be unironically retarded to believe this.

[Anonymous No.11570811]

>>11570020
Underrated post. I consider myself a fairly patriotic American because Iove our freedom and our Constitution. Never the less I am aware that America, like all things temporal, will pass away eventually. If that happens sooner rather than later, the people who “laid up treasure in heaven” will come off better than those who put their faith in money, or government.

[Anonymous No.11570859]

>>11570433
I really hope it's a virus, desu. For some reaso I'd feel better slowly coughing my lungs out to death than starving to death or being killed by some desperate person for my flesh.

[Anonymous No.11570862]

>>11560264
god she is so gorgeous. literally anime girl tier. how can we ever hope to attain such a beautiful real-life-waifu? we can't. it sucks

[Anonymous No.11570990]

>>11568918
good post, did you write this yourself or quote someone? any reading recs?

[Anonymous No.11571023]

>>11568929
>t.brainlet

[Anonymous No.11571030]

>>11561809
Send mail bombs

[Anonymous No.11571240]

>>11568929
nigga what?

[Anonymous No.11571251]

>>11564645
god i wish

[Anonymous No.11571270]

>>11561809
jus b urself

[Anonymous No.11571281]

>>11561991
you literally fucking can blame cars for traffic, you dipshit

[Anonymous No.11571357]

>>11560264
Varg Vikernes of course.

[Anonymous No.11573015]

>>11561935
Read Stirner + this post

[Anonymous No.11573563]

>>11563224
Grand Vizier of the Russian oblast of Crimea

[Anonymous No.11573579]

>>11561933
Gonna slide Flaubert into that list

[Anonymous No.11574048]

>>11562598
based and rediplled

[Anonymous No.11574361]

>>11561452
But feeling alone is a good feeling. It's not the same as feeling lonely. It's a feeling of self-identity and a source of pride.

[Anonymous No.11575095]

>>11574361
Juden Peterstein