Dystopian Society caused by Immigration Fiction

[Anonymous No.11556082]

Is there any fiction about a dystopian society that has been caused by major immigration?

[Anonymous No.11556087]

I am monitoring this thread

[Anonymous No.11556090]

>>11556082
/pol/ and the_donald.

[Anonymous No.11556096]

Raspail's Camp of the Saints, I guess.

[Anonymous No.11556222]

>2056
>Diverse States of America
>white population is estimated to be around 12%
>most whites either work extremely stressful, white-collar bureaucratic jobs or die away Balkan-style in their redneck hollows
>most of their taxes go to appeasing the non-white majority
>any negativity towards the state of the country, or any criticism of New America, means unemployment and social ostrichsizenation
>any white person without a social media presence declaring themselves humble, self-hating allies are treated with suspicion by the NogZogogracy
>whites themselves are now little more than a much-ridiculed minority breed of sub-Jew, the beta paper pushers of the NogZogocracy
>the Jews themselves continue to exist as both oppressed minority (and therefore left alone by the easily-distracted mud masses) and the sinister, shadowy overseers of the nation's destruction
>wake up in the attic of a dilapidated colonial-style home in Austin, Texas
>the surrounding area was one of the last to evacuate during the 2036 race war
>many houses are half-burned down, all have been looted to some extent
>occasionally some black couple will stop by to rut in one of the homes, then drive away in their appropriated sports vehicles
>you sit up on your mattress laid across the wooden boards and then stand and walk over to the small kitchenette area
>tune in the shortwave radio to the white resistance channel
>Bob Turner, the host, apparently lives in hiding in the hills of Montana
>he reads out reader-submitted news about raids on autonomous white communities, about the deaths of white activists across the country whose hiding places have been discovered, etc
>you hear a name, Jim Elworth, think about it a while
>"Elworth, Elworth..."
>you remember the elder man at the side of the highway as the carloads of whites tried escaping the city
>you remember him going from car to car, yelling "go back, you will not escape this way.."
>you remember the flames at the side of the road on each side, the houses going up in smoke, gangs of shirtless black teenagers breaking into homes, stopping cars, raping white women, looting anywhere they pleased
>you remember the smoke drifting across the highway, so dark at dusk beneath a red sky
>your pet dog jumped out of the window and you ran after it, finally caught him and looked back to see the tide of blacks marching down the highway, going from car to car, no questions just screams and gunshots
>many apologetic white men with their frail arms raised being marched back to the city, most of them crying, some of them raising their fists to show their enthusiasm for the "uprising"
>you never found your parents car again
>it was Jim who saved you
>it was Jim who housed you, told you about his daughter, secured the edges of the farm each night with his rifle on horseback
>so many years ago

[Anonymous No.11556245]

>>11556082
Soumission by Houellebecq.

[Anonymous No.11556264]

I remember reading an advance copy of a book from goodreads where the premise was basically that india and china blew each other up and all the indians fled to the west coast which became a shithole

[Anonymous No.11556267]

>>11556082
yeah, /pol/

[Anonymous No.11556280]

>>11556222
Please write this into a novel.

[Anonymous No.11556300]

>>11556082
Pretty sure there's an Arthur C. Clarke book about this.

[Anonymous No.11556307]

>>11556082
Native Americans would've wrote some.

[Anonymous No.11556308]

>>11556087
>pfft., I'm not a racist, I'm a race realist
>I'm not a crazy romanticising authoritarian cunt, I'm a classical libertarian...

[Anonymous No.11556318]

>>11556087
>be A FUCKING LEAF
>wear stars & stripes bandana
what did new worldlers mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11556334]

>>11556308
>tfw your stem friend discovers lauren southern vids and suddenly becomes a libertarian pol-tard

[Anonymous No.11556338]

Any literature documenting the affects of colonialism

[Anonymous No.11556340]

>>11556222
God tier post

[Anonymous No.11556361]

>>11556334
>stem friend
First mistake.

[Anonymous No.11556375]

>>11556334
A true intellectual.

[Anonymous No.11556415]

>>11556082
Most fiction written in NA from the 17th century onwards?

[Anonymous No.11556439]

>>11556222
>2018
>Diverse States of America

[Anonymous No.11556517]

On the Marble Cliffs
(if you read it a certain way)

[Anonymous No.11556539]

>>11556082
Basically any book about Italian Americans

[Anonymous No.11556544]

>>11556082
Lovecraft

[Anonymous No.11556546]

>>11556375
Literally nothing wrong with anything there

[Anonymous No.11556668]

>Immigrant Song starts playing

[Anonymous No.11556718]

>>11556668
>Phoenix Rising by William W. Johnstone
Sounds just like what I asked, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.11556732]

>>11556245
This is also exactly what I was looking for, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.11556781]

Why do people love immigrants so much?

[Anonymous No.11556795]

>>11556082
Man in the High Castle

[Anonymous No.11556810]

>>11556781
Obviously it's personality differences. Read Haidt's The Righteous Mind.

[Anonymous No.11556825]

>>11556781
Because there is a specific sedimentary layer of prole consciousness, one of the hardest ones to deal with, that has the maximum level of embeddedness of taken-for-granted "morals" with the maximum level of dopamine payoff for showcasing that you support those morals publically and the maximum level of difficulty to get the prole to consider/alter/dredge up the actual justification for those morals (which usually doesn't exist).

Supporting immigration in the West is less a "thought" than it is a behaviour, with lots of subtle interconnections with other important behaviours and reflexes related to social acceptability, normalcy, moral uprightness, and so on.

Once you see it in relief it's really easy to spot in the future. I've had really good conversations with reflective and intelligent left wingers who basically agree with paleocons on most things, aside from being welfare state socialists. Really reasonable people. But when they hit the Question of Open Borders and Immigration they start looking nervous and enacting the proper rituals to remind themselves and everybody else that they have the Correct Opinions about immigration. Borders are bad. Borders are bad. No, no, internationalism is good. The future will be all internationalist. "Okay, but didn't you literally just say that socialism has to work with what we currently have, and that utopian goals can't be mixed with reasonable short-term goals, and that we could easily give our country North European standards of living and education within a generation if we just fixed these three things?" "Yes." "So shouldn't we fix these three things first?" "Yes." "But those three things don't include 'let's also invite everyone from Syria to the party for no reason'." "No, no, no, internationalism is good, uhhhh, you can ALSO have internationalism as well as those three things." "Yes, you 'could' also have that, but didn't you just say this is an existential problem and we need to fix it ASAP with as few distractions as possible?" "Yes." "Okay.. Then how is arbitrarily inviting 500,000 Syrians to live in the capital helping with that?" "No, n-no, Syrians good, I love Syrians, it's important to help a Syrian."

You can take the most thoughtful, intelligent, legitimately non-retarded Marxist, and watch them revert to upper middle class bourgeois neoliberal scum any time you want, simply by mentioning immigration. They cannot shake that shibboleth for the life of them. They will agree with every premise UP TO the conclusion, then deny the conclusion with non sequiturs.

[Anonymous No.11556835]

>>11556222
Good post

[Anonymous No.11556951]

>>11556245
OP asked for a dystopia

[Anonymous No.11556992]

This is not literature this is current news and politics and belongs on a different board. Please raise the quality of your posts before beginning a thread here.

[Anonymous No.11557068]

>>11556222
Imagine a Far Cry/Fallout style game but you’re fighting for the white race.

[Anonymous No.11557082]

>>11556795
That is a utopian future, not dystopia.

[Anonymous No.11557084]

Fiction is right. Diversity is our strength sweetie.

[Anonymous No.11557107]

>>11556096
There's nothing dystopian about it. It's absolutely eschatological.

>>11556245
This is probably as close as we're going to get.

>>11556795
Literally nothing to do with immigration whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.11557177]

I'm writing my own version right now. About 20k words in. Excerpt contrasting current art (today's art as basis, but it's set around 2060) with Weimar Republic's Degenerate Art exhibit (millions of Germans came to see the 'art' from that period, put up by the Nazis, and across the street was the Nazis' ideal in a separate exhibit - the Weimar art is similar in context to my descriptions; others are from present day 'art' exhibits).

[Anonymous No.11557206]

>>11556992
>>11557084
Cringe and bluepilled.

[Anonymous No.11557211]

>>11557084
i am your strength

[Anonymous No.11557220]

Flashback by Dan Simmons

[Anonymous No.11557222]

>>11556222
Holy shit pls write a book about this, PLEASE!

[Anonymous No.11557230]

>>11556308
>muh racism
>every white nation that controls its own borders is authoritarian

[Anonymous No.11557241]

>>11557084
Diversity is ethnonationalism. Multiculturalism is cultural appropriation via globalist capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11557251]

>>11556222
best post on /lit/

>NogZogogracy
kek

[Anonymous No.11557323]

>>11557230
sorry but borders aren't real

Mexico is just a birth canal for great American citizens

I hold both these beliefs simultaneously

[Anonymous No.11557325]

>>11556300
Please try to remember the name of it.

[Anonymous No.11557381]

>>11557241
>Diversity is ethnonationalism
This is the most retarded thing I have read today. What the hell do you think diversity means?
>Globalist capitalism
Just say capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11557399]

>>11557381
Not him but I would say that a precondition for diversity would be a variety of cultures actually existing (not all assimilating into one global blob)

[Anonymous No.11557406]

>>11557399
So he hates capitalism, what's with the ethnonationalism retardation? Ethnonationalism clearly is not diversity.

[Anonymous No.11557415]

>>11557406
It is, I suppose, in that the world is actually populated by a diverse set of cultures that don't intermingle

[Anonymous No.11557416]

>>11557381
Diversity means 'not white'. If you think otherwise, you are retarded. China is 99% chinese. Japan is 99% Japanese. Mexico is 99% Mexican. Sub-Sahara Africans are all black. The one exception, South Africa, just ruled that they are allowed to kick whites out and take land for free. Also singing genocide songs and murdering them on their farms. Will be 100% black soon.

Middle east is 99% arab. India is 99% Indian. Israel just passed law that only Jews are citizens and only Jews have rights in the country as they continuously push Palestinians out of their homeland and kill them in cruel and inhuman ways.

The ONLY "diverse" countries and the ONLY countries that REQUIRE diversity are traditional European or European heritage countries.

Whites are global minority, yet are the only culture that MUST be diverse on teh entire planet. Everyone else gets to kill or drive out "diverse" invaders.

[Anonymous No.11557419]

>>11557416
Great post, well articulated.

[Anonymous No.11557614]

>>11557416
So only shithole countries aren't diverse?
Really jogging my noggin here. Diversity is what makes us great. Fuck off and leave. Fuck you retards trying to get rid of the luxury and freedom afforded by liberal democracy.

[Anonymous No.11557662]

>>11557415
If they don't intermengle then it isn't diverse dum dum

[Anonymous No.11557666]

>>11557662
>diversity means one global horde of mystery meat browns with no distinguishing features

[Anonymous No.11557667]

>>11556338

[Anonymous No.11557813]

>>11557666
Added to my long list of anecdotes that racists are literal brainlets incapable of dealing with abstract reasoning.
Diversity is measure of interacting members of a system, if they don't interact, or share the same boundaries, it isn't a measure of diversity.
You can study biogeography, or ecosystem science or whatever deals with biodiversity (which is generally applicable to all kinds of diversity) and route learn this, but if you are actually incapable of understanding simple abstract relationships like this intuitively you most likely have a disability to engage in systems thinking.
The same goes for all the circle jerking retards up voting that /b/ tier cringe core greentext at the beginning of the thread. Go away alt-right mouth breathers, crawl back to whatever discord you came from.

[Anonymous No.11557829]

>>11557416
>China is 99% chinese

Lmao, no

>Mexico is 99% Mexican

Mexicans are not a race

[Anonymous No.11557882]

>>11557813
>Diversity is measure of interacting members of a system, if they don't interact, or share the same boundaries, it isn't a measure of diversity.
How does this not lead to interacting cultures incrementally adapting traits from other cultures to a point where they each become homogeneous with no traits that distinguish one culture from the other? What about the problems of cultural appropriation and Western cultural hegemony? Also,
>I see I was almost forced to admit the inadequacies of my argument but you are a racist, so back to /pol/ with you.

[Anonymous No.11557986]

>>11557829
he should of said
>china is 99% slant eye'd bugs
>mexico is 99% beaner shit skin

[Anonymous No.11558005]

>>11556375
Unironically a good starter pack. I thought these memes were supposed to be making fun of their target, not offering a good gateway. You forgot stefan molyneux

[Anonymous No.11558049]

Warhammer 40K

[Anonymous No.11558063]

>>11556222
>Thinks it's gonna take until 2036 for the race war

[Anonymous No.11558085]

>>11557230
>white nation
Opinion discarded. Are you another one of those classical libertarians, buddy?

[Anonymous No.11558172]

>>11556245
Camp of Saints rip off

[Anonymous No.11558201]

>>11557829
China is 91% Han, and the other ~9% is chinese minorities, which share the same genetics, history, ties to the land, written language, and are made to speak mandarin in schools.

Nothing at all like the multicultural vision eurocrats have for the continent

[Anonymous No.11558206]

>>11557614
>Diversity is what makes us great.
Europe was great before the diversity. That's the whole reason the diversity wants to come to europe

[Anonymous No.11558215]

>>11558063
>thinks a race war is going to happen at all

[Anonymous No.11558395]

How many living authors of specfic are not reddit-tier open borders fanatics and are not Houellebecq or Raspail?

Maybe something from the Rabid Puppies/Castalia House crew if you can stand that level of prosefic cringe.

[Anonymous No.11558398]

>>11558206
Europe was a backwards shithole before liberal democracy. Degenerates like you want to destroy liberal democracy to kick out immigrants. Liberalism, with all it's materialist and private property flaws made Europe great. Backwards mouth breathers like you want to get rid of all the good parts of liberalism (equalitarianism, liberty, democracy) and keep the capitalism. I hope you succeed and and end up a dystopian hellhole like all the countries in the far-east

[Anonymous No.11558443]

>>11558398
cringe and bluepilled

>Europe was a backwards shithole before liberal democracy.
y i k e s

[Anonymous No.11558447]

>>11556082
>>11557325
>>11556300
Childhoods End

[Anonymous No.11558566]

>>11558398
You said diversity and now you changed it to liberal democracy. Which is it?

[Anonymous No.11559081]

please understand that multiculturalism is just a euphemism for intranational ethnic conflict with less overt violence. it's a game that rewards covert ethnocentrism and punishes humanitarian tendencies

[Anonymous No.11559156]

>>11556245
This is utopia though.

>40yo wife in the kitchen
>15yo wife in the bed

[Anonymous No.11559185]

>>11556825
I've noticed this too. It's especially prevalent among the supposed pro-labor DSA leftists. They'll talk about how wages are suppressed. (They are.) They'll talk about the importance of unions. (Unions are important.) But then they say stuff like "ABOLISH ICE!" and "OPEN BORDERS NOW!", as if illegal immigration and legal immigration aren't both huge factors undermining American labor.

[Anonymous No.11559192]

>>11556082

[Anonymous No.11560144]

>>11559192
It's really interesting how they made all the Arabs pigs though.

[Anonymous No.11561326]

>>11556082
>dystopian
Give it time. The weak will be funneled through the culture of the strong, and only the strong will survive. We will end up with a powerful multi-racial but uni-cultural planetary system while we extend our reach into the stars in just a few centuries from now.

[Anonymous No.11562173]

>>11556245
it's not a dystopia, it's about the ideological bankruptcy of french academics

[Anonymous No.11562285]

>>11561326
Won't happen. We will be stuck here on earth for all eternity, jerking ourselves off over the same social "issues" over and over.
The last white man will die of old age, and 100 years later we will still be going on and on about white privilege, all men feminized to subservient shotas and we will still see women walking down the streets in vegina hats going on about toxic masculinity..

We are stuck in an endless social media fuelled loop with no escape, and there is no doubt in my mind that it will cause social and mental degeneration .

[Anonymous No.11562303]

>>11556318
everyone is american in their hearts

[Anonymous No.11562832]

>>11562303
Yet they aren't based on colour.

[Anonymous No.11562892]

>>11557177
>its a 'Fountain isnt art' chapter
I bet you also think Diogenes is an awesome philosopher

[Anonymous No.11562924]

>>11558398
>Europe was a backwards shithole before liberal democracy
Wew, you fell for Protestant and Enlightenment propaganda really bad

[Anonymous No.11563034]

>>11557107
>>11562173
Submission looks at Islam and Paris' inundation with immigrants as ultimately a cynical, but beneficial development. It has nothing to do specifically with academics, it has to do with pointlessness in Western Capitalist ideology. Learn to read you retards.

[Anonymous No.11563059]

>>11559156
Utopia for professors, not for you.

[Anonymous No.11563064]

>>11563034
>is blown the fuck out and dumb
>gets mad and shrieks
/lit/ af

[Anonymous No.11563215]

>>11556222
A bit too hollywood-ish, IMO.
The more likely scenario is that the US will end up like Brazil. Large parts of the population will have worse standards of living, but they won't complain too much, it will just be a way of life. Many whites will racemix, some will stay in more or less segregated communities and live almost normal lives.

[Anonymous No.11563307]

>>11558063
>>11558215
> thinks there won't be multiple successive race wars, each praised as "brave revolutions" by "beautiful" "minorities"
> thinks that the fall-out of each subsequent race war, with devastating local economies and collapsing infrastructure, won't cause """"refugees""""" to expand and re-ignite conflict in the remaining White-run border territories outside their reach, falling like dominoes

[Anonymous No.11563324]

>>11557416
>China is 99% chinese
China is more 56% than America holy shit.

>India is 99% Indian
>Middle east is 99% arab.
They are subdivisions that are as distinct as Europeans

[Anonymous No.11563348]

>>11558201
>China is 91% Han
Even within Han Chinese there are major divisions of dialects, land and genetics. If anything Mandarin itself is similar to Latin

[Anonymous No.11563359]

>>11558566
White nationalists and allies support an authoritarian government that not only will have the power to evict people but obviously will also require the power to repress dissidents. This will lead to a government much like that of Myanmar or Thailand. All you idiot larpers think you can go back to a fuedal society, that's never going to happen.
The death of European culture has absolutely nothing to do with race, destroying liberal democracy will be the final nail in the coffin.

[Anonymous No.11563371]

>>11559185
All workers are the same reguardless of nationality. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Anonymous No.11563394]

>>11559185
>>11556825
The more disenfranchised the immigrants are, the more Capital will want to bring them in to do shit jobs to suppress its wages. Enfranchising/empowering will deter Captial's demand for said source of labor

[Anonymous No.11563420]

>>11557882
>How does this not lead to interacting cultures incrementally adapting traits from other cultures to a point where they each become homogeneous with no traits that distinguish one culture from the other?
Like this
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5383860/
Cultures will inevitably mix if they live they exact same lifestyle. They cultural differences you go on about really are no more than skin deep. Everyone in Western countries lives the same way reguardless of race, they all go to the same supermarket to buy food from the global supply chain. Capitalism destroys communities by destroying community based work, and culture.
White degeneracy is caused by nationalism, consumerism, highly connected infastructure and cultural homogenity. You get off work and tune in to watch the football game of and listen to the same songs as everyone else.
Who gives a shit about your silly racial categories or nation states when you hardly even talk to your neighbors?
Race is only skin deep now, capitalism will make all of our cultures the same.
Even if the world was 100% European the degeneracy wouldn't stop, actually it would be worse.

[Anonymous No.11563437]

>>11557882
>>I see I was almost forced to admit the inadequacies of my argument but you are a racist, so back to /pol/ with you.
Damage control, you can't even into simple systems thinking.

[Anonymous No.11563442]

>>11563371
nation-states are on the way out, even under capitalism. Borders get into the way of even the bourgeoisie

[Anonymous No.11563451]

>>11563442
Sure doesn't seem like it. Seems like democracy is on the way out.
You got trump, brexit, modi, everywhere in East Asia, nationalism is surging all over the world, democracy is failing and is being replaced by backroom meetings with corporate lawyers, capitalism is doing better than ever.

[Anonymous No.11563491]

>>11556222
>extremely stressful, white-collar bureaucratic jobs

[Anonymous No.11563547]

>>11563420
So, there is no solution to the homogenization of culture, and no way to prevent the assimilation of everything into capital?
>>11563437
You didn't explain anything. All you said was "Hurr, you're racist. Btw, Diversity is measure of interacting members of a system, but I'm not gonna bother going into further detail because you're retarded, you fucking racist."

[Anonymous No.11564016]

>>11563420
That's the true redpill

[Anonymous No.11565150]

>hurr durr white power

I'm white and would hate a country filled with you people.

Culture is the problem, not race.
Basement dweller pedos are just as bad as muslims.

[Anonymous No.11565157]

>>11556308
I've blanked the concept of "racism" from my mind since it seemed like a stupid, useless buzzword. What do people mean by it again? I don't think about race in general unless I have to heuristically sort people for safety, mate selection, etc. Otherwise I rarely think about it.

[Anonymous No.11565173]

>>11563215
>the US will end up like Braz
definitely this. i cant believe people dont understand the implications of this

[Anonymous No.11565206]

It's not just niggers, although I'm hardly what you would call a nigger lover. All races are showing intelligence declines at the top level (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289617302787)), partially related to increased use of electronics in childhood. This poses an immense problem since modern society is run like a pyramid scheme built on ever increasing processing power. Combine reduced talent at the top with inherent limits to the size of computer processors, and the wild goose chase that is quantum computing, and we'll have a massive crisis in the next few decades as resources exhaust themselves and promised automation of all things never shows up. Since society is unsustainable as is, this means fewer and fewer people able to maintain the current structure and understand the theory behind our current tech. It will eventually all implode on itself and we'll start over with natural eugenics again.

[Anonymous No.11565215]

Congrats OP your thread baited enough 90 IQ tankies to dig another Бeлoмópcкo–Бaлти́йcкий кaнáл

[Anonymous No.11565253]

>>11562285
Both inclining and declining personalities are self-fulfilling prophecies.

[Anonymous No.11565262]

>>11565253
truth. It's the one advantage of having being an autist in high school. Oh how steep the upward slope has been and still it keeps rising upwards like the Himalayas

[Anonymous No.11565350]

>>11563451
nationalism != nation-state. The inability of nation state to control the flow of labor and capital in and out is the mark of its decay

[Anonymous No.11565693]

>>11557230
Slit your wrists.

[Anonymous No.11567028]

>>11565693
Nice try Rabbi.

[Anonymous No.11568062]

>>11556087
Hi Lauren <3 ;)

[Anonymous No.11569326]

>>11556087
God, I wish that were me.

[Anonymous No.11569498]

>>11557177
no offense but this is just a poor copy of leftopia.

[Anonymous No.11570723]

>>11569498
You should offer him some constructive criticism and suggestions for improvement then.

[Anonymous No.11571603]

>>11556825
The programming is too complete.

[Anonymous No.11572453]

>>11556546
>>11558005
wwoah.... so this is the state of modern /lit/.....

[Anonymous No.11572801]

>>11556082
Things Fall Apart and its sequels
Heart of Darkness

[Anonymous No.11574363]

>>11556087
First post , best post

[Anonymous No.11575019]

bump

[Anonymous No.11575501]

>>11556082

[Anonymous No.11575614]

>>11556825
>specific sedimentary layer of prole consciousness
>maximum level of difficulty to get the prole to consider/alter/dredge up the actual justification for those morals
> I've had really good conversations with reflective and intelligent left wingers who basically agree with paleocons on most things
> the most thoughtful, intelligent, legitimately non-retarded Marxist
>watch them revert to upper middle class bourgeois neoliberal scum

Hold up now. Is being pro-immigration "prole consciousness" or "upper middle class bourgeois neoliberal" consciousness? You've said it's both, but those things are diametric (indeed, dialectic) opposites. I reckon maybe you just used the word "prole" in a negative sense because le ebin 1984 and don't know shit from clay.

[Anonymous No.11576073]

>>11575614
>>specific sedimentary layer of prole consciousness
>>maximum level of difficulty to get the prole to consider/alter/dredge up the actual justification for those morals
>> I've had really good conversations with reflective and intelligent left wingers who basically agree with paleocons on most things
>> the most thoughtful, intelligent, legitimately non-retarded Marxist
>>watch them revert to upper middle class bourgeois neoliberal scum
>Hold up now. Is being pro-immigration "prole consciousness" or "upper middle class bourgeois neoliberal" consciousness? You've said it's both, but those things are diametric (indeed, dialectic) opposites. I reckon maybe you just used the word "prole" in a negative sense because le ebin 1984 and don't know shit from clay.

how can u be sure tho?