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[Anonymous No.11555357]

>mfw people on /lit/ think that consciousness doesn't arise from the brain

[Anonymous No.11555373]

>>11555357
If Russell was alive today he'd be one of those Neoliberal R*eddit "Science is fucking awesome!" types and would champion Science(TM) ideas like "gender fluidity" and "cuckoldry".

[Anonymous No.11555382]

>>11555373
>Distinguished science communicator Betrand Russell cuckfacing as he unboxes some AwEsOmE Rick & Morty merchandise

[Anonymous No.11555403]

Wrong. Consciousness isn't physical. But yes, everyone on /lit/ knows that having a brain has something to do with it occurring.

[Anonymous No.11555444]

>>11555403
>Consciousness isn't physical
It arises from processes that arise from matter alone though

[Anonymous No.11555450]

>>11555444
almost as useless as the word consciousness itself, not even contesting just it provides no information and is just as phantasmic and elusive as ever

[Anonymous No.11555464]

>there are people on /lit/ RIGHT NOW who don't realize that the First Uncaused Cause needs to have been caused by something
>there are people on this board RIGHT NOW who literally can't see that every function is equivalent to a predictive function of the same argument, and that this is true in all possible worlds
>there are people on 4chan RIGHT NOW who are christian when Socrates was so much more based than Jesus

>mfw i invented logic
>they said that it couldn't be done
>time to celebrate by fucking the MP's wife
>hold my Nobel prize

phag

[Anonymous No.11555504]

>>11555464
>the First Uncaused Cause needs to have been caused by something
That makes no sense

[Anonymous No.11555514]

>>11555504
you have now apprehended the work of Bertie Russells

[Anonymous No.11555604]

>>11555357
Most ostriches have a higher IQ than this idiot.

[Anonymous No.11555631]

His Philosophies of Language and Math weren't terrible.
He's also largely respoonsible, along with Frege, for interesting Wittgenstein in philosophy, so we owe him at least that much.

[Anonymous No.11555637]

>>11555514
kek

[Anonymous No.11555645]

>>11555464
Until he had his knobbly old acorn asshole torn to shreds by This One Weird German Trick

[Anonymous No.11555649]

>>11555645
I MEANT AUSTRIAN, FUCK

[Anonymous No.11555654]

>>11555464
>>mfw i invented logic
And he couldn't prove that it was in any way consistent if it was remotely useful.

>>they said that it couldn't be done
And they were right.

[Anonymous No.11555655]

consciousness comes from the heart, you braindaed incel

[Anonymous No.11555660]

>>11555357
Do we?
Let's stop guys, that's retarded

[Anonymous No.11555697]

russell wasn't even a physicalist though

why are we discussing him in vague stereotypes picked up on the internet? he had actual views that were not obviously wrong that we could discuss instead

[Anonymous No.11555716]

>>11555357
>mfw people on /lit/ think

[Anonymous No.11555722]

Where do they think it arises from? From their ass?

[Anonymous No.11555733]

>>11555697
yeah russell was a neutral monist who had a pretty good appreciation of hume's problem. He was neither a reductive/eliminative materialist nor a dualist.

[Anonymous No.11555734]

[Anonymous No.11555745]

>>11555464
>time to celebrate by fucking the MP's wife

>oops, meant to say have my wife fucked by other men time and time again

>>11555514
Pic related.

[Anonymous No.11555753]

>>11555655
Shot through the heart
And you're to blame
Darling you give consciousness
A bad name!

[Anonymous No.11555864]

>>11555357

Materialism is absurd enough in general but it approaches perfect tragicomedy when it deems insane those who claim the president is telepathically affecting their will but deems them sane inasmuch as they agree their will is otherwise affected by and wholly subordinate to agents tenfold as tenuous, as unprovable, and as terrifying.

[Anonymous No.11555909]

>>11555753
cringe

[Anonymous No.11556014]

>>11555357
proofs plz. the mind/essence is like God: you can't prove nor disprove any mechanical features nor the lack of existence of these features.we can see, however, how things get fucked up when different components around which these theoretical abstractions hang are perturbed or manipulated. the fact that math works says something about some transferable quality of abstracted ideas into the concrete. shit's too complicated for egos, bounded by language as they are, to arrive at a suitable conclusion. there's only the privacy of our minds before we engage in language that we can answer these questions for ourselves


t. Gandhi

[Anonymous No.11556461]

>>11555357
It arises from the brain but is not the same as it

[Anonymous No.11556475]

>>11555357
even the Buddha in 400-500 BCE recognized that consciousness is just a result of senses and the mind interacting with forms. It's just Western religious fags afraid of ego death who refuse to admit that consciousness is nothing special. The mind is matter as much as the body.

[Anonymous No.11556581]

>>11555357
Read the Phaedo of Socrates. Spoiler: Socrates is more-or-less right. The important thing to note is the Pythagorean students were wrong. The brain is merely the cockpit of an advanced piece of machinery. It is not the pilot. You can't discover this from merely reading the Phaedo, but you can discover it. Think logically in terms of higher dimensions, and you would be wise to have a friend who thinks similar-but-opposite go through this with you. It will make the journey easier.

[Anonymous No.11556586]

>>11556014
wut? are you saying that since retards have brains but their consciousness is broken, there must be more to it?

[Anonymous No.11556589]

>>11556581

Do you have any scientific proof for your assertion? Can your assertion be falsified?

[Anonymous No.11556611]

>>11556581
>the Phaedo of Socrates

[Anonymous No.11556614]

some mushroom ad on instagram claims there's no proof of consciousness rising from the brain
it must be true

[Anonymous No.11556616]

>>11556589
It can be proven via logic. In time, Science and Mathematics will prove it, but it is still catching up though the seeds are there.

>>11556611
>posts anime
Just stop.

[Anonymous No.11556623]

>It's 1, not 2.
>Cool, was attached to 2ism, but now I get it, outside is inside, 1 > 2.
>Yes, the outside would be somewhere else, so it wouldn't get in. And 3 is too many.
>I see.
>There isn't an I in you though.
>Haha, "I" know, just using grammatical convention. It is limited.
>Good, now say it with me: {}, {{}}, {{}}, {{}}, ...
When did you realise it's all gibberish?

[Anonymous No.11556710]

>>11556475
lol the Buddha based an entire system of transcendent praxis on the irreducibility of consciousness - the actuality of the first-person observer - to its ground ya goof

[Anonymous No.11556715]

[Anonymous No.11556737]

>taking a logical positivist's word on anything, ever

[Anonymous No.11556751]

>mfw people on /lit/ think that consciousness is more than just a human word

[Anonymous No.11556752]

>>11555403
>Consciousness isn't physical
oh god

[Anonymous No.11556756]

>>11556737
>i could have written Principia Mathematica if i wanted to but I've got my Prāṇāyāma classes to teach 3 times a weak

[Anonymous No.11556766]

>>11555734
wew

[Anonymous No.11556767]

>>11556752
Thing is, you can't know for sure... so stop taking this pretentious tone.

[Anonymous No.11556774]

>>11556756
What kind of sperglord reply is this? Even Quine blew logical empiricism the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.11556797]

>>11556774
Bugman.

[Anonymous No.11556800]

Matter is a perception, a thought is a thought but also a reference to something outside the thought. But since nothing can be not contained in thought, then matter is a thought. Matter is thought and thought is matter, even if thought is used referentially.

From this we can both say that the material idea of the brain creates our material thoughts, or that the ideal idea of the brain creates our ideal thoughts.

We CAN'T say that the ideal generates the material or the material generates the ideal.

[Anonymous No.11557361]

>>11556800
Yes we can: the material pretty obviously creates the ideal, and only a religious idiot who wishes to believe humanity is special would deny this. Blow your material brains out and let's see how well your ideal self fares :^)

[Anonymous No.11557368]

>>11557361
ironically your post is laden with ideological assumptions

[Anonymous No.11557458]

Consciousness certainly has a material side. For starters, it exists, and secondly this existence appears to be one of a substantial unity.
It is a unity because there is a whole continuum to conscious experience. People are individuals who are held accountable for their actions. It is not brief flashes of awareness one right after another.
Secondly, it is substantial, it is tied to the physical realm. When you go asleep you become unconscious, yet somehow you are able to wake up the next day as the same conscious entity. There must be a physical model of consciousness with contains both kinds of states.

Popular thinking leads to a theory of emergence. Looking at a single neuron one can find no trace of consciousness, however adding up their interactions and we see patterns emerge. Consciousness is assumed to be a pattern of neuronal firing.
However, can the brain be considered a plausible physical model of consciousness?

Let's say we have magical technology powers. What happens if we dissect two brains, then put half of one's neurons in the other and vice versa. Do the people retain their continuity of consciousness(albeit it perhaps transfigured)? Do we get two new people? How is consciousness tied to matter?

[Anonymous No.11557717]

>>11557458
i like this post

[Anonymous No.11558751]

>>11557458
>Let's say we have magical technology powers
the absolute state of philosophy in the 21sr century