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Anonymous Fri Jul 27 02:26:45 2018 No.11525592 [Reply] [Original]

Is Christianity defensible? Is "reasonable faith" an oxymoron or can faith indeed be reasonable?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 02:32:27 2018 No.11525605 >>11525592 Christianity, yes. Christians, not so much.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 02:34:19 2018 No.11525608 File: 834 KB, 1200x900, weebpieta.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11525592 Yes. And yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 03:13:33 2018 No.11525693 I think so. I don't think reason is the most important thing, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 03:29:05 2018 No.11525717 There is no logic in faith. You just believe

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 04:54:27 2018 No.11525867 >>11525717 This. You can try to racionalize it a little bit, but if you go to far you loose the essence and the purpose of faith

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 05:26:13 2018 No.11525928 Mate, have you even read any of the books you asked for like a month or so ago? You keep making these threads with the same John Damascene pic

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 05:27:33 2018 No.11525930 If you're in a desert and about to die of thirst, and a well pops up out of nowhere... do you drink the water or do you wax and wane over the rationality and existence of a randomly popping up well?

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 05:29:19 2018 No.11525937
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>>11525693
>>11525717
Wrong. There is logic and reason in the Christian faith but you don't start from the premise of logic or reason. You start from the premise of Divine revelation and reason and logic your way from there. If you try to do religion without a revealed tradition you aren't doing religion, you are doing philosophy and contrary to what the pseuds on this board may think, those things are quite different.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 06:05:19 2018 No.11525994 >>11525592 No. Yes and no.

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 06:16:00 2018 No.11526009

>>11525592
Christianity, like any sort of belief, has an internal logic and explains worldly phenomena in a coherent and humanly meaningful way. Unless you believe it's major claims are true, there's nothing special about it's rationality or irrationality.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 06:22:56 2018 No.11526021 >>11525937 This. Faith comes first and then you try to understand that faith.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 06:30:13 2018 No.11526046 >>11525605 Do you think you're better than Christians?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 07:13:38 2018 No.11526167 >>11525592 Go read Suma Teologica's intro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 07:54:30 2018 No.11526272 >>11526167 Why?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 07:59:17 2018 No.11526286 Islam is the ultimate redpill desu

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 08:56:59 2018 No.11526435 >>11526272 St.A outlines what >>11525937 says

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 09:03:03 2018 No.11526448 >>11525592 Read Tolstoyan religious works.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 09:23:13 2018 No.11526521 >>11525592 Pascal proved that faith in God is more reasonable, even though we don’t know if he exists or not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 10:25:07 2018 No.11526733 >>11526521 It's not more reasonable. Especially if you believe in the wrong God. Punishment would be worse than a non-believer.

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 10:45:59 2018 No.11526810

>>11526733
True hells and heavens could only exist if God is an evil 4th dimensional alien. The punishment is the life you live, never recognizing how much better the world is with a supreme God, not like the ones mentioned in most religions. If I were a Christian I’d be a Marcionite, or else I couldn’t understand the OT.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 11:23:05 2018 No.11526933 >>11526448 are there any “tolstoyan” writers other than tolstoy? i’ve read some of his non-fiction and i really like the way he approaches religion; do you know any similar writers?

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 12:35:05 2018 No.11527206

>>11526521
No he doesn't, he proves that anything with infinite reward attached to it 'needs' to be believed in; but nothing precludes something from just offering infinite reward, so you're stuck having to believe multiple things that contradict each other. If a girl believed in pascals bullshit, you could tell her that if she fucks you you guarantee she gets into heaven and she logically has to do it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 12:47:04 2018 No.11527250 >>11527206 >hasn’t actually read Pensées but masturbates over atheist meme images

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 12:57:25 2018 No.11527282 >>11525717 >>11525867 >>11525937 believers can't even agree on what faith is lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 13:00:30 2018 No.11527292 >>11525930 This is good. Thank you anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 13:00:55 2018 No.11527294 >>11525937 >religion is just philosophy with added delusions this is actually a pretty good point!

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