Can I benefit from reading this man's work if I am not a fascist? If so, what do you recommend I read?

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Anonymous Thu Jul 26 21:33:24 2018 No.11524638 [Reply] [Original]

Can I benefit from reading this man's work if I am not a fascist? If so, what do you recommend I read?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 21:35:10 2018 No.11524650 >>11524638 No. It is pure fearmongering from someone who had too much time on his hands (privileged 1%). Basically today's Lauren Southern.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 21:41:53 2018 No.11524664 >>11524638 Yes, he's not a fascist. The Hermetic Tradition was my introduction, but any of his works on magic are easy as a starting point, Ride the Tiger is the best starting point for his politics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 21:51:10 2018 No.11524684 Yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 21:56:00 2018 No.11524703 No he's a hack. Read real traditionalists like Guenon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 22:02:46 2018 No.11524732 >>11524703 Lmao psued

Anonymous Thu Jul 26 23:00:17 2018 No.11524950

>>11524638
I'm reading Revolt Against The Modern World for the first time right now

It's alright. Really weird honestly, every time I read a chunk I have to digest it for a day.

Also REALLY dry writing too. He focuses on bizarre historical facts, many of which I have never heard in my life. He kinda creates a narrative that pre-1500's European culture was superior to post-1500's Euro culture.

It literally takes me like 25 mins to read 10 pages though. Every page is FUCKING DENSE. I dunno

I hear his other books are more accessible, like Ride The Tiger and Metaphysics of War.

Anonymous Thu Jul 26 23:14:09 2018 No.11525011

>>11524950
>He kinda creates a narrative that pre-1500's European culture was superior to post-1500's Euro culture.
Is this your fist book on Traditionalism?
>I hear his other books are more accessible, like Ride The Tiger and Metaphysics of War.
Ride the Tiger is tough is you haven't already read Nietzsche and Heidegger. Mystery of the Grail and Eros and the Mysteries of Love are easier to grasp.

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:08:43 2018 No.11525199

>>11525011
>Is this your fist book on Traditionalism?
Yeah I'm right-wing so I wanted to learn more about Traditionalism, but I didn't know it was like New-age voodoo blended with feudalistic monarchy

Weird shit desu. Not really sure if I like it or dislike it, I'm still digesting what I've read so far

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:11:54 2018 No.11525210 >>11524638 Who's a "fascist" these days? The term is irrelevant and out of date, even as an overused jewish scare word.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:13:19 2018 No.11525218 >>11525210 The only real facists out there are commies and antifas.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:16:54 2018 No.11525234 >>11525218 Even that (((Goldbergian))) usage is silly. "Fascism" refers to a specific thing from a specific time and isn't relevant today.

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:32:51 2018 No.11525278

>>11525199
Evola has a very skewed take on Traditionalism, though not necessarily bad. If you want a better overview of Traditionalism and the general Weltanschauung, I highly recommend you read Crisis of the Modern World and The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times by Rene Guenon, since he is the father of Traditionalism.

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:33:18 2018 No.11525280

>>11525210
>Who's a "fascist" these days? The term is irrelevant and out of date, even as an overused jewish scare word.

There is a faction of the American and European new-right who is pro-fascism. I believe Richard Spencer (and TDS) is open to futuristic fascism as a state structure

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:34:36 2018 No.11525285

>>11525278
>Crisis of the Modern World and The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times by Rene Guenon, since he is the father of Traditionalism.

I dunno, I looked Guenon up and he was into all of that hinduism and new-age shit too wasn't he?

I may check him out regardless though

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:35:24 2018 No.11525287 >>11524703 >Muh Evola vs Guénon conflict Even Guénon gave respect to Evola for his "Revolt Against The Modern World" despite his reservations. Did Guénon read Evola? Yes he did.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:38:47 2018 No.11525297 >>11524650 You've never read Evola >>11524664 You have read Evola

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:40:33 2018 No.11525304

>>11524638
Here's an answer from a supporter. Yes, read him. I'm not a fascist and this man has changed my worldview more than any single author in the world. Though I don't agree with him on many points, he opened a world to me that is so widely ignored that it's practically criminal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:43:30 2018 No.11525310 >>11525210 >>11525218 >>11525234 >>11525304 >"La Cosa Nostra does not exist" ~ The Mafia

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:44:18 2018 No.11525313

>>11525280
The issue again is the misuse of terminology and the distortion of reality by a foreign group. A strong homogenous state is the most natural organization of a white society. It's not "fascism," it's natural, but what's natural for whites is bad for jews so they distort such things.

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:46:17 2018 No.11525318

>>11525304
Cont.

Also, if you want the best book to have a good overview of his philosophy, read Revolt Against the Modern World. Don't start with Ride the Tiger as another anon said because it's mostly directed to those who are familiar with his other works and mostly agree with his points made in them. A word of warning though, Revolt Against the Modern World is long and difficult and many people suggest starting with Guenon, who influenced Evola a lot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:46:47 2018 No.11525322 >>11525313 Crab Lice are "natural" as well, what a stupid appeal

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:48:21 2018 No.11525329 >>11525318 No don't read Revolt, it's the meme introduction, all it does is breed politically-obsessed /pol/yps, start with the metaphysics, read Introduction to Magic

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:48:59 2018 No.11525333

>>11525278
>skewed take on Traditionalism

Guénon assigned knowledge and contemplation ahead of action; he subordinated the royal to the sacerdotal.

Evola on the other hand emphasizes the traditional legacy from the point of view of the warrior caste and to show the possibilities equally offered by the way of action

The way of Kshatriya is different of that from Brahman.

This is underlined again and again in every letter, text or even interview by Evola.

Take off your Guénon goggles and read Evola as Evola and Guénon as Guénon.

Many traditionalist authors have also criticized Guénon for his skewed views on Freemasonry, that still does not somehow miraculously make empty whole of Guénon´s work.

Guénon never renounced Evola or said something "Stay away from his books!", he read, recommended and gave criticism of the books: and sometimes he even agreed with them like "Revolt Against The Modern World" which Guénon found a great piece of work by Evola.

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:49:12 2018 No.11525335

>>11525285
Yes, but I don't see how him practicing Hinduism abd then converting to Sufism invalidate his argument. It is true Traditionalists are perennialists too, however. There is a disntinction to be made between them and New Age. Traditionalists believe being initiated into an orthodox tradition spanning hundreds if not thousands of years of unbroken succession is the best and quickest way to gain absolute metaphysical knowledge. On this premise, they believe New Age organizations are illegitimate since they are modern, most of which being invented an invented religion, borrowing from several other religions and blending into a hodgepodge, and that itself a religion, which obviously lack an unbroken chain of initiation of a tradition of unchanging principles as its foundation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:50:35 2018 No.11525338 >>11525322 Are you retarded?

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:52:15 2018 No.11525342

>>11525318
>>11525329
You should read traditionalist authors chronologically, especially Evola or Guénon you fucking brainlets.

Most of the themes are introduced in the earlier books and the ideas get refined towards end of their work (as the authors age)

Why the fuck would anyone start with "Ride The Tiger" considering it was released in 1961 and Evola started writing early as 1920s?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:53:31 2018 No.11525345 >>11525342 who cares about autistic outlines and reading charts, I started with Ride the Tiger and can probably write circles around you about it, sink or swim nigger

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:54:41 2018 No.11525348 >>11525313 No I think he's said in his podcasts that besides the racial aspect, he thinks a fascistic state structure is a good idea. He's definitely anti-democracy and also pro-monarchy as well

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:55:50 2018 No.11525353 >>11525342 Read my post, I specifically said to avoid reading Ride the Tiger first and recommended RAMW as his most comprehensive book while warning against starting with it for the reasons you just mentioned. Don't @ me faggot

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:57:17 2018 No.11525363

>>11525345
"Ride the Tiger" as a concept is first time introduced in The Yoga of Power: Tantra, Shakti, and the Secret Way which was released in 1949.

Ride the Tiger came decade later and expounds on these themes.

I still have no idea why even read Evola if you do not bother to do it chronologically.

It is like reading Guénon and starting with "Reign of Quantity": it will remain totally incomprehensible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 00:58:41 2018 No.11525367 >>11525363 cuz im not a brainlet he explains what riding the tiger is perfectly well in ride the tiger, why would i care if he references it in an earlier book.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:00:04 2018 No.11525375 >>11525363 >>11525367 sort of a different point but Ride the tiger is immensely boring imo whereas that book he has about the hermetic traditiion is very interesting

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:00:50 2018 No.11525378 >>11525375 I think his writings on nature and the ouroborous in the hermetic tradition is some of his best stuff

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:01:48 2018 No.11525383

>>11525333
I wasn't saying Evola's interpretations were wrong, just different. I was pointing out to him he should read founding metaphysician on Traditionalism, especially since most Traditionalist authors agree with Guenon over Evola, even though Evola does make contributions and has insights.

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:02:02 2018 No.11525386

>>11525335
I just think that Perennialism is anti-traditional by nature

You can't believe that all religions have validity and be traditional. That is a modern concept. If you don't believe that your own religion is the one and only way, then you don't really believe in it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:02:21 2018 No.11525388 >>11525348 Spencer and his crew want white imperialism. I've heard Spencer refer to fascism almost exactly as I just did, saying it's a specific thing from a specific time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:03:40 2018 No.11525393 >>11524638 You see how much controversy your simple question has generated OP? This is why you should read him. He's interesting and fun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:04:35 2018 No.11525395 >>11525383 prefer evola's solarity to guenon's screeds, there's something a bit neutered about guenon I don't really like. dry as a bone

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:06:44 2018 No.11525405

>>11525378
what absolutely spooked me about the hermetic tradition is the descriptions of the symbols that appear all over the world in religious art. I had a 'religious experience'(read: manic episode) during which i was fixated on a number of symbols that i put in paintings and poems, and a bunch of them are mentioned in that book. The main ones are the tree, and also the inverted tree, a dragon-like creature at the foot of the tree, a raven embedded in the tree, there are actually others but im not recalling exactly.

I actually had to stop reading the book because it scared me that i was feeling all mystical again

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:08:15 2018 No.11525409

>>11525386
>If you don't believe that your own religion is the one and only way, then you don't really believe in it.
It's more about which tradition is most accessible and most suitable for a person coming from such and such culture, and whether the tradition resonates with you or not.

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:10:11 2018 No.11525419

>>11525405
You sound like typical /x/ -poster

Traditionalist literature should be read objectively, emotionally detached. You on the other hand would be probably better off with Theosophy and other sorts of new age hacks and quackery.

>I actually had to stop reading the book because it scared me that i was feeling all mystical again
ah-bloo bloo I am so scared the book is a prophecy of my personal life and how important I am beacuse i made silly drawings and poems

Go get your head sorted out and grow up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:11:00 2018 No.11525422 >>11525419 cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:12:16 2018 No.11525425 >>11525419 Idk why youre being a dick, i know im mentally ill and that stuff is delusions, that was just my experience reading the book, and i made a decision to not enter into it because i was worried it might provoke another episode.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:15:19 2018 No.11525438 >>11525386 This is where the esoteric and exoteric come into play. The former being the inner teachings of the doctrine, and the latter being what is known to the public (i.e. religion).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:15:29 2018 No.11525439 >>11525218 snap

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:31:22 2018 No.11525472

>>11525409
>It's more about which tradition is most accessible and most suitable for a person coming from such and such culture, and whether the tradition resonates with you or not.

Yeah that's a really anti-traditional way of selecting a religion. It's like a utilitarian approach to spirituality, it really doesn't work.

That's the one thing that really threw me off about Evola. It's like an atheist glancing at religion and talking about all the subtle things he liked about it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:32:53 2018 No.11525477 >>11525438 >This is where the esoteric and exoteric come into play. The former being the inner teachings of the doctrine, and the latter being what is known to the public (i.e. religion). I'm not really seeing what you mean

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:39:13 2018 No.11525486

>>11525472
>It's like an atheist glancing at religion and talking about all the subtle things he liked about it
But you still have to take the religion wholesale, even if there are parts that are challenging to you. If a person's decision on committing to a faith depends on whether he can still partake in certain behaviors (ex. "Can I still eat bacon?"), then he doesn't have the fortitude to take his spirituality and faith seriously.
>Yeah that's a really anti-traditional way of selecting a religion.
Religion does not necessarily mean tradition, rather it is the exoteric expression of the tradition.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:49:38 2018 No.11525505 >>11525499 gay

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 01:52:40 2018 No.11525516 >>11525505 kk

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 05:27:54 2018 No.11525933 Is evola anti Christian? He seems to oppose to Jung in a way that is similar to Christian thinking

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 06:15:37 2018 No.11526008

>>11524638
He's not a fascist, at least in the crude sense, a utopian, or a "magical rapist" (one of the more ridiculous accusations). Would you gather anything from reading him? Perhaps. His Revolt is a very broad book that covers many areas. I read his works when I was younger and interested in being "far right." What oddly enough happened was that I found what he was saying so interesting that I wanted to learn more about religion and anthropology (and also wanted to confirm what he says is true.) For the record, facts are facts but his interpretation of those facts is outside of that kind of domain. And therefore he does offer a kind of perspective about the rituals, texts and symbols of various traditions and expects the sophisticated reader to extend that perspective into other areas.

There is a lot of confusion about what Evola believed. It's sometimes better to just stick to the facts and leave the ones that are obscure to their obscurity rather than try to explain them. Evola does not philosophize over a unity of all religions. He believes Tradition is a genuine force (we will leave this vague) that is opposed to the world and in some way organizes its events. Since it determines the world, it therefore determines history. So the knowledge of that force is going to be knowledge of something that is prior to history and the world. The pedagogic function of symbols is a revival of that intuition or perception of that force; the prerogative of rites and practices is multidimensional, at once a transmission of knowledge due to its symbolical character, and an entryway into history of that force.

Evola's racialist side was not that he believed Europeans were mechanically superior animals. He believed knowledge of that force had became latent and inaccessible, that to revive that universal intuition or exalted mind of the primitive had more to do with a sanction of prejudice and instinct, traces of that way of being still left in the soul and ethics of Europe. His most controversial view was that war and violence would serve as a better way to revive those instincts than modern democracy and humanism would. He interpreted World War 2 in that following way.

Hope this helps

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 06:27:33 2018 No.11526039

>>11525386
>You can't believe that all religions have validity and be traditional. That is a modern concept.
The Corpus Hermeticum and Augustine's Retractions are not modern in the slightest.

>that which is called the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist from the beginning of the human race until Christ came in the flesh, at which time the true religion, which already existed, began to be called Christianity
The prisca theologia of XV century picked up from those.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 08:22:13 2018 No.11526338 will fucking voodoo feudalism game theories for disenfranchised eye-talian gentry benefit some lower-mid 4chan poster in 2018 hmmm gee i don't fucking know who're you gonna vote for king ya fuckin idiot

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 08:42:24 2018 No.11526397
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Pic related is the must read for anyone who wants to get into Evola and needs an introduction. It's very hands-on, with clear, explicit language, and offers an amazing introduction into the Traditionalist worldview, which is exactly why this was written. It blows my mind how people on /pol/ or /lit/ for that matter never mention this book. You don't start with one of his thick, dense books like the Tiger trilogy. You can even completely skip Men Among the Ruins, and Revolt Against The Modern World is optional if you're smart and well-read. Ride The Tiger presents Evola's conclusion that it's too late to reverse history - hence it makes the previous book obsolete.

Metaphysics of War and Love are very interesting works but they don't mean much for his broader worldview, they are just interesting case studies, like Meditations on the Peaks (which I read while climbing mountains which greatly enhanced the experience.)

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 08:50:30 2018 No.11526417

Counter-Currents.com has a lot of good stuff on Evola.

https://www.counter-currents.com/?s=Evola&submit=Search

And his most important writings concerned the biggest problem we face today, the jewish problem.

>It is said that while today there is a substantial Jewish peril in the domain of finance and the economy, there is also a substantial Jewish peril in the domain of ethics, and that in the domain of spirituality, religion, and world view, everything Semitic, and above all everything Jewish, has a specific character that is repulsive to other peoples of the white race.

https://www.counter-currents.com/2015/07/the-jewish-question-in-the-spiritual-world/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 08:51:20 2018 No.11526418 >>11525933 No. He believes Christianity is a feminine degenerate religion that's responsible for of the degeneracy in the world.

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Anonymous Fri Jul 27 09:05:08 2018 No.11526463

>>11526417
>repulsive to other peoples of the white race.
The translator's choice to use "white race" has me worried about the validity of the translation. Evola would've used Aryan, Indo-European, or Hyperborean, not "white" which is a concept invented by Americans.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 09:41:06 2018 No.11526571 >>11524638 He wasn't a fascist; but I don't think people will get much value out of him unless they came to him naturally. He's definitely the type of person who's books you'll get meme'd into buying, yet never feeling like reading any of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 10:14:52 2018 No.11526690 >>11524650 >Basically today's Lauren Southern. this people delving into ""esoteric"" """magical"" works are the most deluded people in the world

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 10:15:11 2018 No.11526691

>>11526008
Damn this is great stuff
As someone who hasn't read and hadn't even heard much about Evola I thought he was something like Nietzsche, but this looks weird as hell. How is tradition opposed to the world? What did he mean by this? (Unironically)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 10:35:10 2018 No.11526780 >>11525438 >esoteric and exoteric That is largely meaningless and you know it. Several major religions explicitly see themselves as both true and explicit exclusive with the others.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 10:36:28 2018 No.11526785 Trash that insecure brainlets read to justify their backward worldview and their magical thinking.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 10:52:59 2018 No.11526835 File: 28 KB, 482x483, shrug.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11526426 woosh yes, this go in grugs bad pile

Anonymous Fri Jul 27 10:54:17 2018 No.11526839

>>11526780
And that's irrelevent when the mystic states and spiritual realizations of each all lead one to a nearly identical state. The liberated man of vedanta is almost identical to someone at a high level of spiritual/metaphysical realization as taught by Sufism and Daoism, this is even found in Christianity, mostly only hinted at cryptically in the bible but extremely similar states are written about by some of the greatest Christian mystics and thinkers,

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