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[Anonymous No.11524513]

Are there any good arguments for religion? I watch a lot of debates with the new atheists but I don't wanna read some tomb on the philosophy of religion. Can someone give me some pro-religion arguments that will make think o shit maybe. Don't say anything that has been in a DESTROYED compilation. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.11524522]

>>11524513
The psychological utility of religion is what modern religious people often appeal to, which is a naturalistic argument. Some psychologist think that religious belief is an inherent aspect of human psychology

[Anonymous No.11524768]

Religion creates a buffer between humanity and anarchism. Without it, there is only the state, which is a weak structure by itself. Once religion has been removed, the exact same arguments can be used against having a state, and civilization will by subsumed by anarchists.

[Anonymous No.11524774]

watch the russell copleston debate

[Anonymous No.11524781]

>>11524513
Jesus Christ, he was a Chad. Why the fuck did he drink so much?

[Anonymous No.11524786]

>>11524768
I should of framed the question differently. I don't give a shit about religion. I meant I wanted arguments for the existence of god. Also Anarchism is great.

[Anonymous No.11524789]

>>11524513
If you look at when the world's major religions were formed, it was usually in a time of turmoil. Tribes and kingdoms were in flux. Hunger and pain were common features of life. Children died at tender ages. Wars and plagues and ignorance prevailed.
If you look at the most religious parts of the world today, it tends to correlate with poverty, famine, war stricken areas of the globe.
Religion has always been a psychological salve to heal over the existential wounds inflicted by hard times.
It's an elaborate coping mechanism. Does society need elaborate coping mechanisms? It might if it's experiencing enormous suffering.

[Anonymous No.11524808]

>>11524513
The failure of these debates is that they are on the Abrahamic Conception of God as represented in the bible and defended by Fundamentalists.

Buddhism and Taoism, as basic examples, don't even have a recognizable God in the abrahamic sense, and yet, are the traditional religions of over half the population of the world

[Anonymous No.11524812]

>>11524808
i fucked up guys. people gonna keep posting about religion

[Anonymous No.11524821]

>>11524786
God exists but religion is bogus.

[Anonymous No.11524822]

>>11524812
Okay I'll rephrase.
Your failure of imagination is the only argument against existence of God and it only continues because you're a non-reader brainlet

[Anonymous No.11524831]

>>11524513

>atheism is rational, enlightened, and based on science, and everyone who believes in religion is primitive, backwards and dumb
>I don't want to read too much or else it'll hurt my brain

This has to be a fabrication of your beliefs. There can't actually be a human being that is like this.

[Anonymous No.11524840]

>>11524831

[Anonymous No.11524848]

>>11524821
source

[Anonymous No.11524851]

>>11524822
>>11524831
if you can't make your argument in a few sentence you have none.

[Anonymous No.11524874]

>>11524789
How old are you?

[Anonymous No.11524954]

>>11524513
As long as we do not know why there is not nothing, the question of God won't ever go away. "God" can be imagined more loosely (and perhaps more accurately) if you don't project human characteristics to the word. Think of how heavily love, sacrifice, teleology etc. has played a role in major religions and how that correlates side-by-side to "natural" tendencies, like survival. So try to imagine God without any of those. Does God need to be "super-rational" in a way we can imagine? Is it fair to say we are able to grasp all the possibilities omni-qualities presuppose? I don't think I can say anything about God, but there is probably some level of connection between myself and the totality of everything that followed from the "first" physicality to now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Gotl9vRGs
Here's a video clearly explaining 10 dimensions. Because we can't imagine anything more than 10, there is something obviously missing from the outset. It's easy to fail to register the variable for things that are not in the realm of your possible knowledge so at least keep a humble tendency about it.

[Anonymous No.11524974]

>>11524513
You need to firstly realize that "is there a God" and "what / who is God" are very different questions.
Since it seems that you need something that's easily presented, I recommend anything by John Green.

[Anonymous No.11524992]

>>11524851
Not everything can or should be reduced to bumper stickers, brainlet

[Anonymous No.11525007]

>>11524851
fuck off

[Anonymous No.11525028]

>>11524513
Unironically read Aquinas.

[Anonymous No.11525038]

Read Aquinas' Five Proofs for God

Then read through the list of miracles, healings, and apparitions officially approved by the Catholic Church

Approach this from the positions of both the rational and the mystical, the natural and the miraculous. God's existence can be shown in both spheres, by both Faith and Reason.

[Anonymous No.11525067]

>>11524513

Credible Catholic

crediblecatholic.com/evidence-of-god-from-science/

Science is falsely accused of proving God does not exist. It would be hard to create a bigger lie. While science cannot prove God does not exist, there is a mountain of scientific evidence pointing squarely at our Creator. This presentation will show us how close to absolute proof we get but there will always have to be room for faith. From the Big Bang to Einstein’s buy in to our expanding universe (as shown to him with elegant mathematics by a Belgian Priest), science marches on. Read about the “red shift” and Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation – on to the BVG theorem, Entropy and Universal Constants. Everywhere we look closely at science, it favors fine-tuning which indicates – God.

crediblecatholic.com/ppt/7E-P2-A

[Anonymous No.11525073]

>>11525067
Evidence of God / Philosophy / Transcendentals

crediblecatholic.com/evidence-of-god-philosophy-transcendentals/

Can philosophy really prove the existence of God. Plato and Aristotle believed it could - and did. So did St. Thomas Aquinas. Using logic and reasoning, we can prove there had to be at least one unrestricted, Uncaused Cause – the cause of all reality (we later show why there can only be one uncaused cause). What does it mean to be “unrestricted”? Who created God anyway? It is all here. Watch as Richard Dawkins trips over his own statement and proves God is the MOST likely cause of the universe (guess he never studied philosophy). Learn about the 5 Transcendental desires that point us to God. In the end, we still need faith. We compare the Bible and Science. How about evolution – can Catholics believe in evolution?

crediblecatholic.com/ppt/7E-P3-A

[Anonymous No.11525075]

https://www.quantamagazine.org/first-support-for-a-physics-theory-of-life-20170726/

I mean, physics is already having to deal with the one Miracle-- the Big Bang, which is indefensible. They want that one miracle then they'll explain the rest-- except now with J England's work, we are seeing that the universe is built to make life, and that life is much more broad a category than biologists would want you to think

[Anonymous No.11525084]

>>11524789

In that logic it would not only be a "coping" mechanism but a motivational one i.e. you need a strong ideology so you can have the necessary will to survive war and famine. Such an ideology that seems to take you beyond your human limitations...

[Anonymous No.11525092]

A Remarkable Relic Of The Resurrection: The Shroud Of Turin

youtu.be/5aXudXRBbro

Fr. Robert Spitzer speaks on new scientific evidence surrounding the Shroud of Turin during his presentation, “A Remarkable Relic of the Resurrection: The Shroud of Turin and New Scientific Evidence” at the 2017 Napa Institute Conference in California.

[Anonymous No.11525101]

>>11525073

Evidence of our Transphysical Soul / Medicine

crediblecatholic.com/evidence-of-our-transphysical-soul-medicine/

In this Presentation you will see how Bart Simpson feels about the soul. Then, we move along to proof of our soul from medical studies of Near Death Experiences. In many of these studies, blind people can see and some see for the first time ever – after they were clinically dead. We see the similarities to people having NDEs and the Resurrected Jesus. Terminal lucidity is next as we examine more medical impossibilities. Brain Impaired individuals who have not been able to speak for years, some since birth, suddenly converse with those in the room with them shortly before they die – often within 30 seconds of death. Is this our soul? What other explanation can there be?

crediblecatholic.com/ppt/7E-P1-A

[Anonymous No.11525105]

>>11524513
God is truth itself. Truth must always exist, and it creates because it contains all the possible truths of existence. If the world did not exist, then there would be less truth, and truth would not be real truth. So creation actualizes truth. Ultimately this highest truth can not be understood, because unless you know absolutely everything about existence, then you only know what you think you know.

[Anonymous No.11525107]

>>11525092
The Remarkable Evidence of a Transcendent Soul - Fr Robert Spitzer, S J

youtu.be/qqJXa3o1Rqo

The Remarkable Evidence of a Transcendent Soul: Responding to the Myth of Metaphysical Materialism - 2016 Napa Institute Conference

[Anonymous No.11525233]

>>11524781
Hedonism