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I can't stand the purple prose in this
Can someone explain to me why continentals write like this?

>> No.11516646

I don't know but every time a writer writes like this(and draws me in enough) I feel like I need to do my homework by reading the influences first

>> No.11516761

>>11516632
Only Shakespeare can write in purple prose and get away with it

>> No.11516764

>>11516761
Try Proust.

>> No.11516771

>>11516764
If you consider that purple prose, sure

>> No.11516772

>>11516632
because theyre french

>> No.11516874

>>11516632
Purple Prose? Read it and not aware of any such passages. Have a copy so give me some page numbers- it's been awhile.

>> No.11516880

>>11516772
But how did that happen? What made those fags belive it was cool to write like that?
He takes like 20 pages to say something stuff that could be explained in 5.
They are making it really hard for me to not become analytic.

>> No.11516889

It has nothing to do with continental or french stuff. In the case of Merleau, there's a legit reason why phenomenology uses metaphors. Manner and matter rely on each other.

>> No.11516892

>>11516880
That's the experience of reading him-- but where's the purple prose?

>> No.11516894

is this a joke about being red-green color blind?

>> No.11516902

>>11516880
It depends. Sometimes it's because they wrote for one another so they expected the reader to know exactly what they're referring to, sometimes they had a very narrow idea and needed padding (most have made entire careers out of developing the same idea or just endlessly explaining it through analogies or differentiating it from similar ideas). The ideas are usually good, but there are even philosophers that say that philosophy books are outdated because they can be summarized in a matter of pages.

>> No.11516957

Frenchman reads Heidegger

>> No.11516968

>>11516632
>hating on Merleau-Ponty
Reconsider.

>> No.11517030
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11517030

Should I read "phenomenology of perception" before "signs"
Tell me about his influnces is it bergson/Saussure? How does it stack up to Peirce?

>> No.11517361

>>11517030
It makes more sense to read "Signs" first, to get familiar with the style and ideas without having to grasp a complete system. "Signs" is several short essays, the longer of them dealing with language. Other essays deal with Freud, Bergson, Machiavel, philosophy in general, politics a little bit.
Merleau acknowledges the progress of social sciences (Saussure, Freud, psychology and sociology in general) while trying to make this positive knowledge compatible with his view on man, that is, compatible with the fact that man is not sould and body, but one singular being both material and conscious.
As a consequence, when Merleau studies another thinker (Bergson, Freud...), he tends to lay the emphasis on what make them similar.

>> No.11517374

it isn't purple, it's joyous. read it to small children and they'll not only understand it, they'll want to pursue optometry with loving devotion and wonderous curiosity. you just hate fun.

>> No.11518392

>>11517374
is this unironic?

>> No.11518963

>>11516880
>be analyticalcuck
>state only facts you know
>dick length 4in
>0 gfs

>be continentalubermensch
>get a chick wet by your prose only
>schlong every woman

>> No.11518989

>>11518963
Based

>> No.11519198

>>11518963
>Be contycuck
>never feel any actual poon bc world is immaterial

>> No.11519241

>>11519198
>implying 90% of continentals arent full turbo-materialists

>> No.11519561

Could you post a passage to give us an idea of what you mean?

>> No.11519686

>>11519561
Literally any page

>> No.11520046

>>11516632
It is how obscurantists convince people they have any ideas at all. Unlike Kant, who was a bad writer with incorrect ideas.

>> No.11520091

>>11520046
OP here
I don't think MP its devoid of actual and interesting ideas. But the thing is that he belives he has more literary talent than what he actually has, there are tons of passages along the book that are pure filler. I don't know if I should be enjoying those parts as little philosophy-poetry breaks, but at the end they just add nothing to the actual ideas.
I'm still not sure how to feel about phenomenomlogists in general after having read some of MP, Husserl and Heidegger. They make it sound like they found the ultimate philosophical method, but I feel like the things that phenomenologists like MP were doing could also be done in a better way in narrative fiction.

>> No.11520273

>>11519686
literally just post an example of what you mean you literal faggot. i've read the work several times, i don't know what you're referring to.

>> No.11520333

>>11520273
I wont waste my virtual-ink and time in a dishonest dialogue

>> No.11520568

>>11520333
you seem set on it, actually
you piece of shit

>> No.11520834

>>11520091
>has ideas
>books full of filler
I don't know anon, seems like you have to choose one.
I wanted to like phenomenology, but ultimately felt it had too many problems. Ponty however just kind of pisses me off.

>> No.11521611

>>11520091
Two short works that would are much easier to read and that don't contain any kind of 'filler' (literay or bullshitty) :
The primacy of perception (quite an early work, accurate and clear)
The world of perception (lectures on the radio - both a 'late' and exoteric work)

>> No.11521617

>>11516761
Highly metaphorical language is not purple. You are retarded. Educate yourself.

>> No.11521620

>>11516632
>purple prose

Why does no one on /lit/ know what purple prose is?