any recommendations for anarcho-primitivist literature? or at least literature which seems to glorify that kind of lifestyle. I'm not an anarcho-primitivist myself but i find something comfy about it and would love to read something about it. Things about people living in forests and stuff.

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Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:12:34 2018 No.11513674 [Reply] [Original]

any recommendations for anarcho-primitivist literature? or at least literature which seems to glorify that kind of lifestyle.

I'm not an anarcho-primitivist myself but i find something comfy about it and would love to read something about it. Things about people living in forests and stuff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:14:28 2018 No.11513682 File: 41 KB, 500x795, The_Way_Of_Chuang_Tzu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11513674 His philosophy is all about living with nature and not against it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:18:00 2018 No.11513696 File: 47 KB, 550x377, crusoe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11513674 Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe I really enjoy the kind of stuff you mentioned in OP and I loved this book.

Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:22:00 2018 No.11513723
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>>11513674
Ted says that AnPrims have a very naïve perspective regarding primitive life. Nature is harsh and unforgiving. It's certainly not the egalitarian wet dream that some leftists pretend it is. However, that doesn't mean it's not the right way to live. Just be aware that many people who use the label are quite delusional.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:27:09 2018 No.11513744 >>11513723 is anprim a leftist ideology still? Tell me more. It seems to me like it's been hijacked by the reactionary right, while the left is all in on the cult of progress.

Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:29:06 2018 No.11513756

>>11513696
Ah, I hadn't even thought of Robinson Crusoe and it's so popular too.
>>11513682
Thanks anon.
>>11513723
I find nature quite terrifying as much as I find it beautiful. And I'm going to probably grow to move to London and work a high-payed high-rise job. So it's fair to say I'm not quite invested in anarcho-primitivism. It's more of a comfy fantasy I have, and I'd like to read it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:29:54 2018 No.11513759 >>11513744 Read John Zerzan

Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:35:23 2018 No.11513789
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>>11513744
>>11513759
You won't find many anprims that don't cling to lefty ideas. Zerzan is unfortunately one of them too but at least he had the balls to include some non-lefties (Including Ted) in his collection of essays. I think it's a good starting point if you want to get a lay of the land.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:35:59 2018 No.11513794 >>11513759 thanks for the rec friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:37:39 2018 No.11513802 File: 35 KB, 318x499, hesiod.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11513674 Works and Days briefly mentions a "Golden Age" as the greatest of ages, before civilisation emerged. Hesiod also gives extensive details about the agricultural life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 16:40:34 2018 No.11513814 >>11513696 Some works by Jules Verne also have these vibes. The Mysterious Island is pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 17:44:48 2018 No.11514144 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 18:01:04 2018 No.11514238 >>11513674 my side of the mountain

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 20:02:22 2018 No.11514780 Someone should start new charts and guides for this stuff. I'm thinking about where to begin myself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 02:49:37 2018 No.11516032 bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 03:15:13 2018 No.11516081 >>11514780 throw away the pc your typing on for starters hypocrite

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 03:23:30 2018 No.11516102 >>11513674 The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin, although it's not about living in a forest. It's more focused on how such a society works.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 03:36:29 2018 No.11516127 >>11513674 >asks for anarcho-primitivitist recommendations >posts a phicture of agriculture are you sure its not actually agrarianism you're thinking of?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 03:59:12 2018 No.11516168 >>11516127 both, I guess. I'm trying to be too specific

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 07:28:24 2018 No.11516566 >>11513674 Against the Grain by John C. Scott Anarchy, Geography, Modernity by Elisée Reclus

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 07:40:29 2018 No.11516612 File: 36 KB, 324x499, man-and-technics.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11513674 This book is really underrated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 07:51:00 2018 No.11516637 >>11516566 I'd also recommend Seeing Like a State by John C. Scott.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 08:01:02 2018 No.11516664 >>11516637 Seconding this All of his books are good

Anonymous Wed Jul 25 08:41:26 2018 No.11516756

>>11513674
The works of Ludwig Klages published by Arktos Media (two books: The Biocentric Worldview and Cosmogonic Reflections). Not a primitivist writer, but explicitly opposed to technocratic rationalism, illusions of progress and destruction of nature.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 12:13:32 2018 No.11517549 >>11516612 How does it compare to his main work?

Anonymous Wed Jul 25 13:05:30 2018 No.11517794

>>11517549
It's more specifically about man and technology. His perspective on constitutes technology, man, western civilisation and the affects of all the above. He does reference Decline of the West a handful of times though.

A very short book and thoroughly enjoyable reading. I don't regret a single minute of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 13:06:32 2018 No.11517798 >>11517794 on what constitutes*

Anonymous Wed Jul 25 13:20:58 2018 No.11517852

>>11516127
Agriculture can still be primitive. Most indigenous North Americans had agriculture.

The Bible of anarcho-primitivism is "Against His-story Against Leviathan". That's what you should read before anything else.
Also read Camatte for theory, because he is one of the best critics of the organised Left (while still understanding their ideas, because he is still a leftist).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 16:49:17 2018 No.11518852 >>11517794 So which would you recommend reading first in that case?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 17:22:52 2018 No.11518991 >anarcho primitivist >literature ????

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 20:28:43 2018 No.11519746 Should we all start buying up land?

Anonymous Wed Jul 25 20:32:34 2018 No.11519771
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>Pentti Linkola

>literal eco-facist
>lived his life as commercial fisherman using rowing boat
>only modern comfort is electric light that he got in the 2000's
>writes about enviroment and how people should live like 200 years ago

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 22:33:11 2018 No.11520238 >>11519746 Even though it would be without doubt a failure, a small self-sustaining /lit/ colony out in the woods would be so cozy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 22:48:05 2018 No.11520272 >>11519746 Propriety is theft.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 01:29:05 2018 No.11520831 >>11520238 I meant generally, though intellectual communities like that do interest me. Any good books on them anyone?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 01:33:07 2018 No.11520843 >>11513723 Who are those leftists? Bitches are all about FALC

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 02:56:19 2018 No.11521110 >>11520305 I fucking love these books I have 1-5 +7 it's a shame how the later books suck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 03:58:48 2018 No.11521245 Walden by Thoreau

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 04:01:12 2018 No.11521250 >>11518852 Read Man and Technics first. It's short and self contained.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 04:02:16 2018 No.11521253 >>11519746 It's too expensive and the government is too restrictive about how you can use your land. Otherwise I'd already be doing it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 05:47:39 2018 No.11521496 >>11517852 For more information about natural/primitive farming I recommend The One-Straw Revolution.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 07:12:57 2018 No.11521688 >>11520843 Zerzan.

Anonymous Thu Jul 26 07:15:42 2018 No.11521697

>>11519771
I struggle to see how he is an eco-facist and always presumed it was a label by his opponents to smear him. He liked Stalin and Hitler both for their effect on the global population and holds that the way of life of the Khalahari Bushman is superior to the west which he hates and singles out constantly as the main source of the ecological decline of the west.

Anonymous Thu Jul 26 11:48:21 2018 No.11522429

>>11521697

I belive that those most provocative speeches and choise of words especially about germany are for media attention. "Look how terribly he said" gives headlines and lots of advertisement for his thougts.

ps. He did not like stalin since he had most ineffective genocide system. Allies were better because of dresden and tokyo.

Anonymous Thu Jul 26 11:53:44 2018 No.11522449

Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 12:19:49 2018 No.11522547 >>11521253 A "land" can be found only in America >>11513814 This one + Kropotkin - Mutual Aid

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 12:20:06 2018 No.11522548 >>11521697 beyond the need to cull the human population he also has a strong dislike of invasive species, and you know what he really means by that

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 12:26:18 2018 No.11522572 La Chaumière Indienne Paul Et Virginie

Anonymous Thu Jul 26 16:06:55 2018 No.11523362

>>11522548
Culling the human population isnt fascist at least when compared what the general eco-fascist ideals, in particular, the idea of races that are differentiated along lines of a biological and spiritual hierarchy which connects them to the land which is itself made an object of devotion. Yes, Linkola holds the environment in the highest devotion. Yes, he advocates the need to cull the human population but it doesn't make sense to be both an eco-fascist and want to wipe out your own race and its culture.
Yeah he is against immigration because it is a part of the global economic system that is ruining the world and is transforming cultures that are more ecologically sound to conforming to the most destructive ecological culture there is. He really does mean cats when he means invasive species. He harps on about how much he hates cats as an invasive species since his first intellectual passion was ornithology. He wrote about their impact on the environment, how they should be culled and kept as pets under severe state scrutiny and wrote articles arguing against a Finnish greens party member who advocate the rights and welfare of cats.

>>11522429
More to the point then, he isn't a fascist if he praises the campaigns of death waged by the allies as positives for the environment.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 16:17:25 2018 No.11523407 >>11513802 Hesiod was a pseud

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 16:20:22 2018 No.11523419 >anarcho-prim lit dispensed in books made by the printing press oh no

Anonymous Thu Jul 26 17:51:59 2018 No.11523810
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>>11521245
This, idk if /lit/ shits on it or not, but if nothing else just reading about him chopping woods in the forrest in winter time, fishing, taking long walks in the forrest when spring arrives, bathing in the ocean every morning and staying in his little cabin reading Homer on rainy days is super comfy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 20:54:40 2018 No.11524519 >>11523810 this

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 26 21:31:19 2018 No.11524629 Books more like Ogga bogga

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 02:07:27 2018 No.11525552 >>11524609 Need an extended Anprim reading list.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 27 02:46:25 2018 No.11525633 >>11513723 Malick BTFO

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