/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11490525]

Is this book worth reading? The sentiment of this quote is great but is he actually a good writer?

[Anonymous No.11490533]

NO, IT'S LITERAL GARBAGE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE FUCK BUKOWSKI EVER MADE IT AS A WRITER. IT'S UTTER DRIVEL.

HE BASICALLY WROTE KNOWING THAT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE STAGNANT FUCKING RETARDS WHO WILL LIKE IT BECAUSE IT RESEMBLES THEIR OWN LIFE.

[Anonymous No.11490537]

IF YOU WANT A BOOK THAT DOES A QUOTE LIKE THAT JUSTICE, LOOK NO FURTHER THAN HAMSUN'S HUNGER.

[Anonymous No.11490541]

>>11490533
Well if it's relatable I guess that's not a complete waste of time

[Anonymous No.11490547]

>>11490537
Thanks for this; I'll get it.

[Anonymous No.11490627]

>>11490525
>is it worth reading
Meh. You should read pic related.
Nescio’s most famous story, “The Freeloader,” is literally that quote you posted, but in a compact and efficient short story.

>The sentiment of this quote is great
It's great when you're kind of lost in life and don't know where to go, don't know where to focus your energy and are working a shitty job. But it's a beta/nihilistic sort of mindset in the long run.

[Anonymous No.11490639]

>The sentiment of this quote is great

No, it's not, because it comes from a literal fucking bum. Have you seen "Barlfy"? Bukowski was a revolting hobo, and even romanticized accounts of his life would make any sane person recoil in horror. That quote is empty pontificating for (You)s from a person that was an abject failure in life until his late 50's.

[Anonymous No.11490646]

bukowski is pretty good. you should read post office and women.

[Anonymous No.11490652]

>>11490639
But it's the existence most of us are forced to endure. It needs to be said, and constantly reiterated until enough people wake up and unite to overcome their enslavement.

Fuck technology. Fuck industry. Fuck ((( employment ))).

[Anonymous No.11490679]

>>11490652
Over throwing the techno-industrial corporate aristocracy one shitpost at a time. Thank you so much for fighting for my rights

[Anonymous No.11490692]

>>11490537
Thanks for the rec

[Anonymous No.11490697]

>>11490652
>But it's the existence most of us are forced to endure.
It's actually good for you to learn skills, overcome challenges and support yourself financially. No one is gonna hand you (((free stuff))) just for existing.

> until enough people wake up and unite to overcome their enslavement.
Deadbeats, criminals and hobos exist, it's not hard to join their ranks. pic related.

>...until enough people wake up
wake up to what? living in a van down by the river, suffering from delusions of grandeur while writing long-winded letters to your perceived enemies?

[Anonymous No.11490696]

>>11490547
>>11490692
I AM SURE YOU WILL THOROUGHLY ENJOY IT, MY FRIENDS.

[Anonymous No.11490704]

>>11490652
>Fuck technology. Fuck industry
That's a mistaken sentiment. They're both necessary to combat work and give us freedom. The problem is they've been abused to make even more work for useless "productivity."

>Fuck ((( employment ))).
That's the real enemy.

[Anonymous No.11490706]

>>11490697
You are realy clueless. Do you really think that having skill and money leads to satisfaction?

[Anonymous No.11490710]

>>11490704
I'm not afraid of hard work, I just want meaningful work. The economically feasible employment available in modernity is not meaningful.

[Anonymous No.11490711]

>>11490652
Bukwiski has nothing to do with that, he just complained ceaslessly. He stood for nothing but his own selfishness.

[Anonymous No.11490735]

>>11490711
Well that just sounds shit then. How unfortunate. Pessimism is one thing, but for literature to be truly powerful, it must transcend its setting to express something: a meaning, a solution etc.

[Anonymous No.11490781]

>>11490706
I enjoy my time at work, it adds to my satisfaction because I get to help people and it's challenging enough to not be boring work. I don't think we should derive our sense of worth or status from our jobs, they are a means to an end. Hopefully the end is something good. In my case it allows me to support my family, who I value above all else. So skills and finances definitely add to my satisfaction. But it's not something that creates satisfaction or happiness in me, or provides me a 'center' to revolve around, it's secondary, it's a means. If you're looking for a job that satisfy you existentially in all capacities that's not gonna happen.

In general I totally disagree with the anti-work sentiment of OP's quote, instead I agree with Saint Paul's sentiment: “If anyone doesn't want to work, he shouldn't eat.”
Good luck.

[Anonymous No.11490807]

>>11490781
lol cuck

[Anonymous No.11491007]

>>11490781
Don't forget that the government is stealing 90% of your wealth through taxes and inflation. And you are receiving a tiny fraction of the value you provide to the company.

[Anonymous No.11491079]

>>11490525
Is being a wagecuck actually as bad as this?

[Anonymous No.11491098]

>>11491079
It's worse.

[Anonymous No.11491108]

>>11490652
see how you feel when you grow up kid

[Anonymous No.11491120]

>>11490525
No.

Dude is awesome for 15 years old virgins who think sex and alcohol is something new. His style is passable and readable at best.
He is not boring, I will give you that.
He is pretty much the Quentin Tarantino (minus the visuals) of literature.

Also, dont forget your fedora while reading it.

[Anonymous No.11491123]

>Reading and enjoying Bukowski.
Unironically the sign of the pseud.

[Anonymous No.11491135]

>>11490525
Lol, tell that to the doctor that cured you.

"I dont know how you doctor can do this job. Im so much better than you because I wake up at 10am"

[Anonymous No.11491155]

>>11491098
Damn feel bad for wagebros now

[Anonymous No.11491191]

>>11490697
>It's actually good for you to learn skills, overcome challenge
This doesn't apply to anything but construction and service kind of work, or highly competitive jobs you need a degree for. The fact is half of our jobs are complete bullshit.
As Adam Smith correctly pointed out in the wealth of nations. The division of labor brought about by the capitalist mode of production greatly reduces the modes of work someone has to do, and leads to a sharp decline in the variety of skills people have. So people learn how to use a cash register or how to operate a conver belt, how does this make up for the lack of meaning in their lives or the fact that the fruit of their labour is not their own? It's all complete bullshit and this is not the way people are supposed to live.

[Anonymous No.11491247]

>>11491007
I pay 5-7% tax. I'm OK.
I don't live in a western shithole country.

[Anonymous No.11491288]

>>11491191
Good post

>>11491247
Remember that all goods are taxed, their manufacture is taxed, the labour for their manufacture is taxed, all land is taxed, all transactions are taxed. By time your money is actually exchangeable for value, it has been cut hundreds of times.

[Anonymous No.11491299]

>hurr durr we are all slaves of the system, I am my own's man I do what I want to fuck the man
literally the most meme 16 y.o. leech mentality

[Anonymous No.11491310]

>>11491108
>concern about the imminent threat of climate change caused by the current model of industry, employment, and consumption is just a phase
sorry sweetie, but this whole situation will fuck you over too :)

[Anonymous No.11491322]

>>11491288
I'm ok with that since I earn way more than I need and far more than the average in this country.
Of course nothing in life is frictionless, you can't digest 100% of the food you eat, you can't remember 100% of the facts you learned, you can't cross the street without incurring risks, you can't even live safely in a shack in the mountains without wasting time foraging for food or fighting off the elements and animals.
You can't even commit a crime without friction and risk and losses.
If you run your life on attaining perfect economic "justice" and trying to fulfill all your desires you're going to be sorely disappointed.

[Anonymous No.11491327]

>>11491079
Just look at all the coping ‘dude its time to grow up’ posts we already have in this thread. It must be complete hell for those poor wagies.

[Anonymous No.11491332]

>>11491322
>I'm ok with that since I earn way more than I need and far more than the average in this country.
Yeah, fuck everyone else, right?

[Anonymous No.11491339]

>>11490537
>HAMSUN'S HUNGER.
which edition?

[Anonymous No.11491340]

>>11491322
>you can't digest 100% of the food you eat so it's fine if the government steals all your money
cuck

[Anonymous No.11491345]

>>11491332
You know the government gives back much, much more than corporations do, right? It's not how much you pay, it's what you get in return.

[Anonymous No.11491353]

>>11491322
>without wasting time foraging for food or fighting off the elements and animals
>survival is bad
STOP NEEDING.

[Anonymous No.11491354]

>sentiment of the quote is great

the guy is an entitled boomer with a unionized government job for life with full benefits and pension and he still complains about it, so utterly pathetic

[Anonymous No.11491355]

>>11491345
They also take more of it and corporations don't always force me to buy their shit even when they are doing a bad job.

[Anonymous No.11491357]

>>11490525
Idk cause I haven't read it but desu this is just pointing out a truth that everyone knows but without a way to deal with it provided by better writers.

[Anonymous No.11491361]

>>11491332
the sales taxes are negligible and I earn enough to live comfortably. anarchist/socialist crocodile tears are just as invalid as your arguments.

[Anonymous No.11491367]

>>11491354
>slaves are their own bosses
>that's all that life is
STOP WANTING YOUR NEEDS.

[Anonymous No.11491378]

>>11491367
God is the only boss.

[Anonymous No.11491396]

>>11491361
What do you do for a living? I'm guessing it's the equivalent of MUH _______ TEARZ CUPZ distribution.
Great work. Humanity and the Gods really appreciate your sacrifice. Now let's watch where this takes us.

[Anonymous No.11491400]

Why not just be a landlord for a living?

[Anonymous No.11491425]

>work 18hours a week talking to gook college girls
>make $3k/month after tax
>rent is free
>internet is free
>transport $50
>food is $250
>random entertainment $200
>0 debt
>20k savings already
OH GOD THIS WAGEKEKERY IS IMPOSSIBLE!!
HOW CAN I FIND MEANING IN THIS JOB? SAVING ONLY $2500 USD/MONTH ? SLAVING 18 FULL HOURS PER WEEK?! WITH 2 MONTH PAID HOLIDAYS.
THIS IS WORSE THAN SUICIDE.

[Anonymous No.11491430]

>>11491396
>what do you do for living
this >>11491425

[Anonymous No.11491440]

>>11491354
Thank God/basedRepublicans tyranical unions are a thing of the past. I feel sorry for europoors living under the boot of collective bargaining rights and monthly 44$ fees

[Anonymous No.11491452]

>>11491430
So exactly what I said.
You're a corpse and you want people to feed on you.

[Anonymous No.11491488]

>>11491425
what position

[Anonymous No.11491548]

>>11491488
econ + english teacher

[Anonymous No.11491612]

>>11491548
Korea or Japan? You say gook but I haven't actually been able to discern what ethnicity people talk about when they say gook.

[Anonymous No.11491630]

>>11491440
well apparently the benefits arent good enough since it was enough for bukawski to still whine about it

[Anonymous No.11491641]

>>11491355
If the government didn't do its job, someone would have fulfill those functions, and it would be corporations, which are not cheaper than tax.

[Anonymous No.11491661]

>>11490525
The quote is relatable, but it doesn't provide any profound insight beyond its surface level observation, which everyone who has ever worked a deadend job knows intuitively.

[Anonymous No.11491691]

>>11491452
You're a retarded hobo lad. What's the definition of a good life for you?

[Anonymous No.11491698]

>>11491612
Chinese

[Anonymous No.11491701]

>>11491691
A beer in my hand and a babe on my arm

[Anonymous No.11491702]

>>11491661
so go to school at night and learn some skills you fucking trash

[Anonymous No.11491718]

>>11491698
wew lad wildcard, I never read about people going to china for english teaching. Sounds chill I guess.

[Anonymous No.11491727]

>>11491701
Then buy a monster drink and drive a lawnmower. How hard is that?

[Anonymous No.11491728]

>>11491702
How does it feel to be giving Jordan B Peterson tier "advice". Just get an education and a better job bucko!

[Anonymous No.11491740]

>>11490525

Read him, it will make you laugh and ‘’feel’’.

[Anonymous No.11491760]

>>11491740
You forgot that /lit/ doesn't read for enjoyment

[Anonymous No.11491762]

>>11491728

life really is that simple you fucking manchild

[Anonymous No.11491807]

>>11491762
>life really is that simple
For brainlets maybe

[Anonymous No.11491813]

>>11491807
life is only "complicated" for dysfunctional people

[Anonymous No.11491871]

>>11491425
Just because you have an easy job doesn't mean that's the norm. Manual labor isn't fun or easy and it isn't no 18 hours a week either.

[Anonymous No.11491945]

>>11490627

Damn, didn't know anybody outside of the Netherlands/Dutch language influence knew or appreciated Nescio.

He is my favorite Dutch writer by far, his themes timeless.

How did you stumble onto him?

[Anonymous No.11491950]

>>11491871
it's a free country you loser, if you dont like your job go get a different one

[Anonymous No.11492334]

>>11491698
>Chinese
>gook
The proper term is chink.

[Anonymous No.11492708]

>>11490525
Bukowski isn't all that deep, but he didn't try to be anyway. He just wrote to get all that shit out of his brain, he basically said once that writing's a way of keeping his sanity. He took his piece of shit life and turned the thoughts and experiences created by it into literature. I like what I read by him so far, but I only read his poems, don't know about his novels or stories, but there apperently isn't that much of a difference. Just check him out.

[Anonymous No.11492786]

>>11492708
That's fine when you want to chill out and be entertained. I don't know why /lit/ feels that every book has to be an intellectual jerk off. There is nothing wrong with just enjoying a book, even if it isn't a masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.11492852]

>>11491353

[Anonymous No.11492859]

>>11492852

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>>11483088 ?

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[Anonymous No.11492871]

>>11492859
Stop

[Anonymous No.11492879]

>>11492786
>I don't know why /lit/ feels that every book has to be an intellectual jerk off.
...you mean you don't try to impress anonymous strangers on a board with your recycled opinions?

[Anonymous No.11493478]

>>11492879
>you mean you don't try to impress anonymous strangers on a board with your recycled opinions?

lol

Tautology and purple prose does not necessarily make good literature, though there are lots of great ‘’big-brain’’ books.

Bukowski just writes good shit, straight from the alcoholic, scarred and misanthropic gut.

>>11491123

NO FUN ALLOWED >:(((

[Anonymous No.11493564]

>>11490710
Hard work is not meaningful if hard work is your entire life. It quickly becomes monotonous and wearisome. Yet, any brief respite from this, brings joy and fulfillment a million-fold greater than you or I are capable of feeling in this day. Imagine what a sweet berry would taste like after having worked yourself to the bone through the winter. When you haven't eaten something remotely 'sweet' in years. It is incomprehensible (to us) what satisfaction and pleasure one would feel.

I know exactly what you mean, I somewhat agree, but the poster you replied to means to remove activity/work from production. To pursue whatever, including meaningful work, with freedom. Said technology/industry can provide this. Without it, then there is much work to be done, sometimes meaningful but largely not. Largely harsh and unforgiving monotony that lasts for your entire existence. You must appreciate how static and unrewarding (economically and materially) such work is, that is a world with limited technology and economic development. That's a perspective anyway, I'm not sure I agree with it. I think civilisation removes the circumstances that humans can feel and be human in. With all the pain and hardship along. Just know that your ideal may be a bit too cinematic. As the ideal most primitivists (or what have you) hold, is.

[Anonymous No.11493631]

>>11490537
>hearing applause this loud

[Anonymous No.11493637]

>>11493631
what?

[Anonymous No.11494486]

>>11491120
How is he "the Quentin Tarantino of literature"

[Anonymous No.11494493]

>>11490781
>If you're looking for a job that satisfy you existentially in all capacities that's not gonna happen.

Farming?

[Anonymous No.11494496]

>>11491698
hnnng. mad jealous

i'd move to china or something to teach english but i like guns as a hobby too much which is impossible in any country except US and new zealand and maybe canada and a couple eastern european countries

[Anonymous No.11494497]

>>11490525
Bukowski is as stupid as he sounds. No one would enjoy that but that’s his market, imbeciles who think reading a book regardless of who wrote it makes then smart. He’s famous for appealing to dozens of thousands of retards. No one who isn’t an imbecile would find himself in that kind of job. It takes an intelligent ambitious person who refuses the path of least resistence to make it as a writer.

[Anonymous No.11494502]

>>11491340
who is more of a cuck; a person respecting the amount of resources they need to survive or a gluttonous child loading their plate in fear others might eat their seconds?

[Anonymous No.11494508]

>>11494497
I used to like Bukowski but then had some doubt when I read the quote in the OP. Then I came across this fucking gem:

>People run from rain but sit in bathtubs full of water.

Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.11494512]

>>11491813
I can tell you're a child because nobody who actually works an 8 hour day would ever tell another to take night school

[Anonymous No.11494533]

>>11494508

baths are warm not piss wet cold.

[Anonymous No.11495145]

>>11490525
SOUNDS LIKE ANTI-NIHILISM. SOMEONE WHO HASNT CONQUERED NIHILISM

[Anonymous No.11495153]

>>11494512
do you know how many fucking people do masters at night? man you must live around some really stupid fucks

[Anonymous No.11495168]

>>11490525
he's just saying suck my diock and i agree. fucking zionists ruining the wwhole planet.