Jung vs Freud

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Jung vs Freud Anonymous Wed Jul 18 16:53:21 2018 No.11482001 [Reply] [Original]

Who was right?

>>	Zen, God of Lizards !!mP/3/9/BIcp Wed Jul 18 16:54:22 2018 No.11482007 >>11482001 Both

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 16:54:55 2018 No.11482014 >>11482001 neither

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 16:55:07 2018 No.11482015 Lacan

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 16:55:38 2018 No.11482017 >>11482007 Let me rephrase that, who was more right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 16:55:42 2018 No.11482018 neither

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 16:56:23 2018 No.11482023 >>11482017 Jung

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:03:11 2018 No.11482048 >>11482001 >>11482007 >>11482017 >>11482023 /thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:05:57 2018 No.11482063 Jung because his work was the basis for a videogame series.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:06:31 2018 No.11482067 >>11482007 Based >>11482014 Bluepilled

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:11:05 2018 No.11482098 yes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:11:26 2018 No.11482102 >>11482001 Jung

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:11:28 2018 No.11482103 yeah, neither

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:12:03 2018 No.11482105 >>11482001 Jordan Peterson

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:13:56 2018 No.11482117 >>11482023 this

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:19:42 2018 No.11482145 >>11482001 Neither. Jung was less wrong though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:36:57 2018 No.11482227 Jung is literally on the right side of this picture

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 17:37:51 2018 No.11482235 c. Lacan

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:21:41 2018 No.11482456 >>11482227 W-Whoa

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:23:16 2018 No.11482471 >>11482001 lacan

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:27:47 2018 No.11482493 >>11482001 They're just a regurgitation of Nietzsche. Read him, he's better than both.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:37:46 2018 No.11482532 >>11482493 Obviously hasn't read either of them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 18:42:56 2018 No.11482554 >>11482532 I've read enough. Nietzsche is a more concise thinker and consequently has much better ideas for psychology.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:00:19 2018 No.11482650 >>11482554 I suppose you're entitled to that value judgement.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:11:53 2018 No.11482704

Obviously Freud, Jung was too spooked. Freud's theory was organic and constantly developing, he used abstract concepts without falling into ideological underpinnings, whereas Jung's theory was mainly static, he would go into ramblings about "growth" of the individual, unconcious being God and other speculations about divinities. If you want speculative thinking go for Freud if you want comfy bedtime stories go for Jung

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:26:41 2018 No.11482776 Grodeck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:42:41 2018 No.11482867 >>11482704 Is this supposed to be a joke? Freud's dogmatism is well documented in the relevant literature. Consequently, it's also one of the primary criticisms sent his way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:47:16 2018 No.11482887 Both are great and different. >>11482227

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:50:57 2018 No.11482904 Freud

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:52:05 2018 No.11482913 >>11482063 What videogame series?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:53:30 2018 No.11482923 File: 16 KB, 324x499, 41p5l5OYFzL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Allers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 19:55:02 2018 No.11482933 File: 102 KB, 587x695, allers.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11482923

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 20:45:47 2018 No.11483148 >>11482913 Persona

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:02:19 2018 No.11483203 >>11482007 You are a tripfag so you are wrong. The right answer is: Both

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:03:38 2018 No.11483207 >>11482227 Wow! Synchronicity!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:03:59 2018 No.11483210 >>11482015 BASED AND REDPILLED

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:12:17 2018 No.11483248 >>11483207 Kek'd

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 21:39:34 2018 No.11483359 >>11482001 I'll take Jung any day over that fucking kike who ran around Vienna high out of his mind on coke force-feeding his own Jewish neuroticism to the stoic Germanics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 22:01:15 2018 No.11483447 >>11482001 Lacan represents the only consisting interpretation of Freud, and that interpretation directly contradicts Jung.

Anonymous Wed Jul 18 22:10:15 2018 No.11483489

>>11482493
Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard and Nietzsche essentially founded psychology. If you're familiar with Freud, it's fascinating to read these three and see the similarities. Freud only gets credit for actually taking those ideas and trying to treat patients with them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 23:29:24 2018 No.11483739 >>11482001 Freud believed telepathy was real, look it up As for Jung, pick a lane mafucker, he's master at politician doublespeak :[

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 18 23:34:02 2018 No.11483751 >>11482001 Freud. If you need any reminder, a Freudian interpretation is still entirely valid in academia. I have never heard of a jungian interpretation of anything.

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 00:01:43 2018 No.11483828

Both were wrong, but Freud was more right, and he’ll probably be remembered for longer. His works have the depth of Platonic dialogues.

Jung was essentially a new age feelgood gentile. Freud is still painfully close to reality in a kind of terrifying way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 00:29:38 2018 No.11483893 >>11482001 I prefer Jung because I (taking into account his superstitions) was closer to the elemental objective truth, but Freud was more scientific in his conclusion, even though and because, he kept correcting himself.

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 01:09:10 2018 No.11484012
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>>11483828
>Jung was essentially a new age feelgood gentile
He literally argued that the internal mythological reality is capable of springing up from a thousand year old sleep to posses an entire nation and drive them into a blood-lust against their neighbours and the largest war the world has ever seen and that humanity has no defense against its inevitable return.

"If we apply are admittedly peculiar point of view consistently, we are driven to conclude that Wotan must, in time, reveal not only the restless, violent, stormy side of his character, but, also, his ecstatic and mantic qualities — a very different aspect of his nature. If this conclusion is correct, National Socialism would not be the last word. Things must be concealed in the background which we cannot imagine at present, but we may expect them to appear in the course of the next few years or decades.Wotan’s reawakening is a stepping back into the past; the stream was damned up and has broken into its old channel. But the Obstruction will not last forever" - Essay on Wotan

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:12:14 2018 No.11484168 >>11482001 just seen the freud vs jung movie. I liked it. Jung is based. Freud is less self disciplined.

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:14:37 2018 No.11484175

>>11484168
>Freud
>less self disciplined
>than fucking Jung, nonetheless
Freud was borderline autistic in his research and let his life be consumed by his work while Jung was seriously organizing orgies as some sort of paganic german retarded ritual or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:55:56 2018 No.11484298 >>11482001 >Dude I was afraid my dad would cut my dick off so I stopped trying to fuck my mom lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:56:47 2018 No.11484299 >>11482001 All psychoanalysts are wrong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 02:57:58 2018 No.11484302 Freud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:01:16 2018 No.11484310 File: 72 KB, 839x1061, Snapchat-866334641.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11482007 Came here to post this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:01:19 2018 No.11484312 >>11483359 I can‘t think of anything I‘d want to embody more. Also, you‘re completly deluding yourself. Do you have any idea what nervous wrecks fin-de-siècle upper class vienna people were? Stoic my ass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:04:31 2018 No.11484325 Im generally suspicous of Jung because his conclusions are more or less comforting. I‘ve got an intuition that reality isn‘t comforting at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:09:59 2018 No.11484332 Freud did drugs tho

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:10:53 2018 No.11484334 If your study of myths ends with Jung you are simply a mongoloid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:11:46 2018 No.11484337 >>11484332 Freud is the harsh blackpill; Jung is the much softer bluepill

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 03:24:53 2018 No.11484372

>>11484175
Freud fucked his cousin, did coke and had inevitable sexual thoughts-intentions towards their patients.
Freud also didn’t conceive the idea of mysticism. Which shows he didn’t had the higher chakras balanced. That’s the reason why he always concentrate his energy in lower planes and see all in a sexual-neurotic prism.
Jung himself understood how crown and 3rd eye chakra resonates. That’s explain the concept of synchronicity and seeing mándalas at the end of the individuation process.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 04:12:27 2018 No.11484475 >>11484332 Drugs are bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 04:20:44 2018 No.11484501 >>11484012 ya, that quote is basically """arguing""" (i.e: wildly speculating) that now the bad half of the nazi storm is over, it's time for the (ecstatic, mantic) age of aquarius

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 04:21:47 2018 No.11484507 >>11484372 you hippies don't understand spirituality

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 04:31:50 2018 No.11484532

>>11484012

How can people take shit like this seriously?
Why take a far-fetched, completely speculative, spooky 'mystical' theory about psychology to explain huge events like WWII instead of plain economic and sociological explanations?

Freud seems way more realistic really because his theories are compatible with the idea of a libidinal economy which is itself compatible for example with the antropology of Rene Girard, which actually has explanatory power unlike this spooky mythological shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 04:33:07 2018 No.11484537 Any good contemporary psychologists to read?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 04:41:02 2018 No.11484565 File: 23 KB, 300x300, 20180319_151256.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11482471 >>11482235 >>11482015 Y E S

Anonymous Thu Jul 19 07:08:00 2018 No.11484911

They both fall into the category of people who take their abstractions too far.

Freud might seem like a person who has a more scientific outlook as he grounded psychoanalysis in sex, and sexual development, but grounding something in sex isn't the same as inflating it to mean everything is about sex.

The same is true of Jung. His theories of the collective unconscious and archetypes are very interesting, but the weakness of the theories show themselves when he tries explaining what seems to be simple psychological phenomena with reference to hundreds of thousands of years of religious myth-making.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 08:07:33 2018 No.11485051 >>11482227 He’s pointing at us...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 08:13:13 2018 No.11485070 >>11484334 >you are simply a mongoloid Religionism in general is very simplistic, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 08:24:14 2018 No.11485105 >>11482001 Nobody. Scientific method won

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 09:18:16 2018 No.11485254 >>11484507 >understanding spiritualiy

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 10:44:42 2018 No.11485615 >>11484312 >Do you have any idea what nervous wrecks fin-de-siècle upper class vienna people were? As a result of Jewish control? Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 10:50:26 2018 No.11485645 Wilhelm Reich

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 10:54:11 2018 No.11485662 >>11484012 fucking Star Wars ass bullshit. Jungianism is literally ontological fanfiction

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 10:55:13 2018 No.11485671 >>11485105 hahahaha wow

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 13:12:57 2018 No.11486258 >>11482001 Adler

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 19 13:13:53 2018 No.11486261 >>11482001 Neither, but Freud was much less right.

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