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If you put all the books from all four in a pool, what the top 5?

>> No.11470420

>>11470416
blood meridian, gravity's rainbow, suttree, white noise, portnoy's complaint (in that order)

>> No.11470422

>>11470416
pynchon>roth>delillo>mccarthy

>> No.11470439

>>11470422
Pynchon>Roth>McCarthy>DeLillo


>>11470420
GR, BM, S, PC, WN (in that order)

With Sabbath's Theater and The Human Stain being above any of Corncob's books

>> No.11470450

pynchon>mccarthy>roth>delillo

gravity's rainbow, blood meridian, american pastoral, suttree, underworld

>> No.11470454

>>11470439
>Pynchon>Roth>McCarthy>DeLillo
ooft. harsh verdict on my man donny.

don't you think mccarthy is kind of a one(or two)-hit wonder with bm and suttree? i like both books, but damn if none of his other works live up to them

>> No.11470463

Everyone saying white noise
Kyss

>> No.11470490

>>11470416
> all the books
Roth immediately falls to the bottom. He had some absolute abortions.
Delillo in the penultimate slot cuz he never dogfucked the same way Roth did, but I don't actually think his best works can compare to the same for anyone else on this list. If it was a 'best books' list he'd be bottom.
Pynchon is #2, but that says more about McCarthy than it does Pychon.
McCarthy's the best in part because he hasn't had a bad book, but also his best books are legit timeless and will be part of the canon. This is true for Pynchon as well, but I don't realistically see Pynchon being talked about in the same breath as Milton and Shakespeare -- maybe in the Proust/Melville tier, but McCarthy is up there is the all-timers.

>> No.11470519

>>11470490
>hasn't had a bad book
what is border trilogy

>> No.11470553

>>11470490
Gravity’s Rainbow is so inaccessible, it’ll be treated I think much the same way as Ulysses.

>> No.11470559

Delillo > everyone else


name a more original writer, protip: you can't

>> No.11470583

>>11470519
I can see why someone wouldn't like it, but All The Pretty Horses was his breakout. None of his previous books sold more than a few thousand copies, while that elevated him to a more common name. I think the trilogy will be remembered well.

>>11470553
That's actually a pretty compelling argument. I'm not totally swayed, but you might be right -- let's wait a few decades and see.

>> No.11470628

>>11470454
Roth is the one guy I don’t know much about, read Plot Against America but don’t know anything else he wrote, what’s the long and short on his career?

>> No.11470695

>>11470628
definitely read Portnoi's Complaint, it's easy and a blast to read

>> No.11471135

>>11470559
Fuckin Pynchon

>> No.11471142

>>11470454
>one(or two)-hit wonder
I hate this meme. Child of God is great.

>> No.11471161

>>11470559
This. It astounds me the neglect we give DeLillo and the praise we bestow on everyone else. The man’s work oeuvre is a crystal-clear reflection of everything that constitutes “America,” not to mentioned his god-tier prose.

>> No.11471220

>>11470416
1. Tom
2. Cormac
3. who cares
4. nobody

>> No.11471224

>>11470559
>name a more original writer
Literally anyone.

>> No.11471230

>>11471161
>he man’s work oeuvre is a crystal-clear reflection of everything that constitutes “America,”
so it's a writer for Murifags only?

>> No.11471251

Side question: if you could see any book from their collective oeuvre made into a movie, what would it be and why?

>> No.11471271

>>11471230
Well not entirely. a lot of his works stand on their own despite being americentric in subject

>> No.11471282

TP
Gravity’s rainbow
Against the Day
MD
Lot 49
V
BE
IV
Vineland


CC
Blood Meridian
NCfOM
AtPH
The road
Idfk

Dellilo
Mao II
Libra
White Noise
Underworld


Roth
.????

>> No.11471281

>>11471224
name one

>> No.11471284

>>11471251
Cosmopolis already was a movie. Libra easily, if JFK wasn’t already such a meme. Don’t know enough about Roth. Inherent Vice already is a movie. So is the road.

I would like to see Blood Meridian a movie, though it probably deserves an HBO series. I’d also like to see DeLillo’s Mao II, I think it could be engaging but would have to be a little pretentious to fill the time.

>> No.11471289

>>11471271
I hate "muh america" authors, at least Pynchon and McCarthy just use it as a setting.

>> No.11471292

>>11471251
Is the assumption it will be a successful execution?
Then obviously Blood Meridian.

>> No.11471328

>>11471281
Joyce, Pynchon, Borges.

>> No.11471335

>>11471328
Joyce and Borges are not american ;)

>> No.11471341

>>11471289
Only GR isn’t “muh america”

>> No.11471345

>>11470454
Have you read The Crossing?

>> No.11471348

>>11470416
Roth last, Pynchon first

After that I don’t know

>> No.11471358

>>11471289
>at least Pynchon and McCarthy just use it as a setting.
not really, Pynchon writes shitton about america and a lot about pop culture which mostly all comes from america

>> No.11471361

>>11471251
Note; here are the books that are already films

Roth
American Pastoral (2016)
Indignation (2016)
The Humbling (2014)
The Dying Animal -> Elegy (2008)
The Human Stain (2003)
Portnoy’s Complaint (1972)

Mccarthy
Child of God (2013)
The Sunset Limited (2011)
The Road (2009)
No Country for Old Men (2007)
All the Pretty Horses (2000)

Delillo
Cosmopolis (2012)

Pynchon
Inherent Vice

>> No.11471366

>>11471361
McCarthy also wrote The Counselor which was dogshit

>> No.11471383

>>11471335
So?

>> No.11471386

>>11471335
borges is south american

checkmate

>> No.11471389

>>11471341
Funny that his best work isn't about Murifags. Gotta give it to the guy.

>> No.11471403

>>11471284
I’d love to see Mason and Dixon turned into one of those four and a half hour films, or like when the Soviet Union made a five film series out of War and Peace and the filmmakers were able to borrow 12,000 soldiers from the Red Army for the battle scenes.

Against the Day could be a movie if they let Charlie Kaufman do it.


I just learned White Noise is being made into a film right now so I guess we shall see.

>> No.11471413

Mason and Dixon
Blood Meridian
Libra
Players
American Pastoral

>> No.11471421

>>11471386
does not count :)

>> No.11471422

>>11471389
Great point

>> No.11471478

>>11471421
The other guy never said they had to be Americans :)

>> No.11471503
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11471503

Where's my man Franzen?

>> No.11471529

>>11471251
Gravity's Rainbow for the sheer meme factor, 5hr cut

>> No.11471541

>>11471503
Franzen's shit

>> No.11471549

>>11471478
you cheating :)

>> No.11471563
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>>11471529
even better

>> No.11471575

>>11471503
In Bloom's new sincerity trashbin along with DFW.

>> No.11471607

>>11471403
I want HBO to make Pynchon mini-series.

>> No.11471621

>>11471503
in the trash where he belongs

>> No.11472214

If I want three books (that aren't all massive) by each author to start out with, what should I have?
My tentative list is

Pynchon: 49 -> V. -> Gravity's Rainbow
Delillo: Body Artist -> White Noise -> Underworld
McCarthy: Blood Meridian -> The Road -> Suttree
Roth: ?????

Any suggestions that aren't "lol just read GR Against the Day and Mason & Dixon"?

>> No.11472297

>>11472214
do Slow Learner rather than 49 imo

>> No.11473163

Where do i start with roth? I know he has a trilogy, so i don't want to start out of order.
is there a roth chart?

>> No.11473782

>>11471251
The Plot Against America is ripe for an adaptation because of muh relevance, but it is actually a great book. I don't have faith they wouldn't turn it into melodramatic tripe

>> No.11473944

>>11470454
all the pretty horses & the crossing

>> No.11473948

>>11470519
idiot

>> No.11473950

>>11473163
start with American Pastoral if you want something deep and serious, but not too lengthy, start with Portnoi if you want something fun and easy

>> No.11474193

>>11473948
>He ate the last of the eggs and wiped the plate with the tortilla and ate the tortilla and drank the last of the coffee and wiped his mouth and looked up and thanked her.

A touch of genius, truly something to ponder along with Proust and Melville.

>> No.11474739

>>11474193
t. hasn't read it. if you had you'd know that the third section of all the pretty horses *is* actually up there with melville

>> No.11474868

>>11471529
It has to be animated too. Sixties underground type animation

>> No.11474931

>>11474193
gee good thing the book is more than a sentence long, innit?

>> No.11475142

>>11474931

>he doesn't count a book as "read" by just opening to a random page and reading one sentence to pass judgement

Nigga, you dumb. I know, because I've read hundreds of thousands of books.

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>>11475142

>> No.11475738

>>11475166
though to be fair I do think there's something to his skim through a bunch of books theory as long as you don't forget to actually read too

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>>11471529

>> No.11476068

1) Gravity's Rainbow
2) Mason & Dixon
3) Against the Day
4) Blood Meridian
5) Suttree

This list is objective, by the way. There is literally no other suitable answer. Pynchon is on a different level than McCarthy, and the other two aren't worth mentioning.

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>>11476068
For me, it's Delillo

>> No.11476189

>>11471345
I read the Crossing sure, but I thought it was brutal without any of BM's poetry. The scene with the eyeballs is very vivid and stuck with me, as well as the final scene with the dog. The rest of the book not so much. I think it would be well-suited to being adapted into a far better film, much like No Country for Old Men was, but as a work of fiction I don't think it stands up to his best material

>> No.11476233

>>11475964
not weird enough

>> No.11476386

Post ONE (1) good passage of DeLillo's. It hurts my brain the amount of redditors in this thread right now. Seriously. Post one paragraph of Don DeLillo. Any paragraph. I fucking dare you.

>> No.11476567

>>11476386
>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

>> No.11477267

Roth and Delillo are painfully mediocre writers

>> No.11477506

>>11476386

>And you can glance out the window for a moment, distracted by the sound of small kids playing a made-up game in a neighbor’s yard, some kind of kickball maybe, and they speak in your voice, or piggyback races on the weedy lawn, and it’s your voice you hear, essentially, under the glimmerglass sky, and you look at the things in the room, offscreen, unwebbed, the tissued grain of the deskwood alive in light, the thick lived tenor of things, the argument of things to be seen and eaten, the apple core going sepia in the lunch tray, and the dense measures of experience in a random glance, the monk’s candle reflected in the slope of the phone, hours marked in Roman numerals, and the glaze of the wax, and the curl of the braided wick, and the chipped rim of the mug that holds your yellow pencils, skewed all crazy, and the plied lives of the simplest surface, the slabbed butter melting on the crumbled bun, and the yellow of the yellow of the pencils, and you try to imagine the word on the screen becoming a thing in the world, taking all its meanings, its sense of serenities and contentments out into the streets somehow, its whisper of reconciliation, a word extending itself ever outward, the tone of agreement or treaty, the tone of repose, the sense of mollifying silence, the tone of hail and farewell, a word that carries the sunlit ardor of an object deep in drenching noon, the argument of binding touch, but it’s only a sequence of pulses on a dullish screen and all it can do is make you pensive—a word that spreads a longing through the raw sprawl of the city and out across the dreaming bourns and orchards to the solitary hills.

>> No.11478487

>>11477506
Delillo's a fine writer, he just doesn't posture as a GRAND one and it drives the pseuds nuts

>> No.11479233

>>11470490
you are delusional