/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11459373]

What if . . .
What if you skipped the Greeks?

[Anonymous No.11459380]

You skip your life.

[Anonymous No.11459382]

>>11459373
The Greeks mostly got it wrong anyway.

[Anonymous No.11459384]

>>11459373
Then you would start with the Romans

[Anonymous No.11459390]

Why does gondola not get a controller baka

[Anonymous No.11459426]

It's all over, you'll be a pseud forever. ESPECIALLY if you started with nietzsche

[Anonymous No.11459433]

>>11459426
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.11459441]

>>11459390
He does. What do you think the blue thing is?

[Anonymous No.11459452]

>>11459441
It's boomer's tear

[Anonymous No.11459454]

>>11459441
a tear that just dropped from o'l Boomers eye after recalling the fond moments of his youth, playing video games with his friends Spurdo, Gondola, and Pepe the frog. a bittersweet flush of nostalgia in which he realizes that no time is wasted which made you feel happy.

[Anonymous No.11459477]

>>11459390
The point of gondola is that he enjoys simply observing whatever’s going on around him. So I think he’d be very happy to be with his friends while they play.

[Anonymous No.11459482]

As long as you read the Indians and the Chinese you won't miss anything of note. Start with the East.

[Anonymous No.11459501]

>>11459373
dude fuck boomers for not giving a shit about their kids after they grow up creepy fucking fetishists you realize all your family was

[Anonymous No.11459529]

This 30 year old boomer meme seems to have backfired.

[Anonymous No.11459716]

>>11459384
>Romans
>producing anything

[Anonymous No.11459766]

>>11459373
That pic gave me feels.
>Wojack has become 30 year old boomer.
>Pepe went to become one of the most succesful memes on the internet, he can't find time to meet anymore.
>Gondola just travels these days, others get pictures from amazing locations where Gondola is in the background, he is living life to the fullest.
>Nobody knows what Spurdo is upto these days, they all still wants to hear him say FUGG :DDDDD atleast once.

[Anonymous No.11459866]

>>11459373
Read whatever interests you. It’s not like you won’t encounter regurgitated Greek tropes in every other subsequent culture. But skipping masterpieces is a sad way to spend your time.

[Anonymous No.11459870]

>>11459373
>he thinks Jesus came up with "Do unto others"
>he's American
Should've read Pluto, son.

[Anonymous No.11459885]

Yeah, what if...

[Anonymous No.11459975]

>>11459766
>tfw all my friend is Spurdo or actually dead
I'm not even boomer yet

[Anonymous No.11460015]

Don't read the Greeks. Start with the Ancient Indians instead. They solved existentialism long before Nietzsche or Kierkegaard came around. Buddha's words on attachment being the source of all suffering still hold up as true even 25 centuries after his death. Nirvana is not a spiritual, otherworldly realm, but rather a state of the soul.
The Bhagavad Gita's moral lessons surpass anything ever said by the Greeks or the Hebrews.

[Anonymous No.11460019]

>>11459452
infinitely underrated

[Anonymous No.11460287]

>>11460015
>Buddha's words on attachment being the source of all suffering
That's wrong, though. Being born is the source of all suffering.

[Anonymous No.11460367]

>>11459384
AND WITH THE ROMANS I SHALL END

[Anonymous No.11460463]

>>11459766

Me too. We lived together, played all the consoles. Came home and found my bromance dead in his bed a few years back. 2nd is now slowly dying from muscular dystrophy.

[Anonymous No.11460476]

[Anonymous No.11460523]

>>11459373
At worst, you'll never have the basis to understand anything modern (not Modern, just modern). At best, you'll get there eventually by having to discover it all on your own and back-track through modern thinking into the past, which will be a big waste of time.

Conversely, starting with the Greeks and moving forward is going to make it pretty difficult for you to actually make sense of a lot of Modern and Postmodern thought, if only because those people do everything they can to get rid of history. It'll be like walking into a calculus class where the professor has decided algebra isn't useful because it's old lol.

The actual negative side effect is that everything that's worth listening to in Modernism and Postmodernism will largely go over your head as well, because you'll likely become antagonistic to it by product of all the shit parts of Post/Modernism being so antagonistic to history. Deconstruction is useful as hell for helping you understand things, so long as you don't think you can actually deconstruct anything and realize what Derrida was talking about was nothing more than the awareness that people aren't actually talking about the Thing itself, they are talking about the Thing which exists in their mind, and an audience is reading about the version of the Thing in their mind as extrapolated away from the version of the Thing in the speaker's mind as extrapolated away from the Thing itself.

I don't understand how so many people could look at
>we don't actually discuss just the words, we discuss the words, the words as the author meant them, the words as the audience means them, the words as society means them, and the words as history means them all at the same time
and turn it into
>i can break things down into 'did a white guy think of this?" and "did a white guy think of this, but i agree with it?" and reject them arbitrarily based on my feelings at the moment

Probably cuz they didn't read the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.11460536]

>>11460523
>awareness that people aren't actually talking about the Thing itself, they are talking about the Thing which exists in their mind, and an audience is reading about the version of the Thing in their mind as extrapolated away from the version of the Thing in the speaker's mind as extrapolated away from the Thing itself
Are there people who actually need to read Derrida to understand this?

[Anonymous No.11460562]

>>11460015
Which books by ancient indians would you recommend brother?

[Anonymous No.11460576]

>>11459390
He has no hands and would rather enjoy observing than actually playing

[Anonymous No.11460582]

>>11460536
If you were born before Modernism, that thought was pretty compelling. Especially if you were an academic, you just assume what you were discussing was the thing itself. The sciences still have to assume this in order to function, and all theories grounded in only mathematics necessitate an assumption that you're discussing the thing as it actually is and not your own perception of the thing.

You've been exposed to the idea constantly since Postmodernism has been hamfisted into consumer entertainment media since the 1980's, so it won't feel very revealing to you. It's all very obvious to us now who have had to listen to stories about moral relativism our entire lives, but at one point in human history no one really questioned whether or not words didn't mean what we defined them to mean in all circumstances.

[Anonymous No.11460590]

>>11460015
But the ego strives and the chance to know suffering is also a gift

[Anonymous No.11460609]

>>11460015
Which is funny, because all those moral lessons are pretty neatly codified in Christianity (as in, the teachings of Christ), and further a lot of modern psychology has revealed that expectation is pretty much the source of depression in nearly all cases.

[Anonymous No.11460610]

>>11460536
I havent read derrida and that makes sense to me.
Like, there will always be degrees of removal from any Thing you try to talk about because language itself is an imperfect stand-in for each individual's different, internalized conceptions of said Thing.

Isn't this something Lev Shestov articulated?

[Anonymous No.11460612]

>>11460523
>not Modern, just modern
what

[Anonymous No.11460621]

>>11460523
Having read the Greeks or not, anyone as arbitrarily reductionist as that should be ignored anyway I'd say

[Anonymous No.11461745]

Krsna-Dvaipayana-Vyasa is God. Read his Srimad Bhagavad Gita and free yourself from this material curse.

[Anonymous No.11461756]

>>11460463
>Came home and found my bromance dead in his bed a few years back
Sounds like there's a greentext story lurking behind those words.

[Anonymous No.11461789]

>>11460609
I would rather expect something and be depressed than live my life like a dog, vacantly taking things as they come

[Anonymous No.11461794]

>>11460590
Books on this feel

[Anonymous No.11461833]

>>11459477
>The point of gondola is that he enjoys simply observing whatever’s going on around him
Huh. I never thought of it that way.

[Anonymous No.11461834]

>>11460463
>Came home and found my bromance dead in his bed a few years back. 2nd is now slowly dying from muscular dystrophy.

lol

[Anonymous No.11461839]

>>11459373
You don't have too read them read what you like. I got memed by this and just got bored and unmotivated to read starting with the greeks is very bad advice and will only not make you wanr to read. You should be reading becauae you like to.
Also the view of having to go through all these prerequisite texts is moronic, the most you would have to do if you want a better understanding when someone is referencing a thinker or writer is look them up on stanford encyclopedia or wiki, and even sometimes I find that is unneeded. Ive read Neetchan no problem without having read all these prerequisite texts (and honesty he is ezpz to read) and got a good understanding.
So yeah don't get memed, read what you like.