/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11457421]

I just finished it. Holy fuck. I will never be the same. Where to go from here, /lit/?

Also, ITT we discuss the book.

[Anonymous No.11457428]

>>11457421
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMZW0eqts4E

[Anonymous No.11457432]

inb4 asspained slacktivist e-leftist faggots get passive aggressive and dismissive about evola, in a vain attempt to pretend they aren't just asspained

inb4 retarded underage faggots who started browsing /pol/ in 2017 oblige them by making the thread a slapfight instead of actually discussing evola

[Anonymous No.11457440]

>>11457421
You haven't said anything about it
Why should i read this?
Shouldn't your next step be some act of revolt?

[Anonymous No.11457455]

>>11457421
Try The Revolution of Everyday Life by Raoul Vaneigem next.


"We have a world of pleasure to win, and nothing to lose but boredom."

[Anonymous No.11457458]

>>11457421
>Where to go from here, /lit/?

Guenon, primary eastern texts, Plotinus, De Maistre, Schmitt, John Green etc

[Anonymous No.11457465]

>>11457421
Men Among the Ruins

[Anonymous No.11457489]

>>11457440
I would recommend it for 1.) its expository value (he explains in detail a very interesting take on history motivated by his metaphysical beliefs adopted from various mystical and "mythological" traditions) and 2.) its diagnosis of the spiritual causes underpinning the self-evident crisis of the modern world. As for political revolt, he never urges one on. As I understand him, the revolt he advocates for is inward and deeply spiritual. At the end, he seems to suggest that there is no hope for the modern world and that we must ride it out or even accelerate its destructive forces.

[Anonymous No.11457528]

>>11457489
Ride it out or accelerate? Spirituality? So basically capitulation. No wonder radical Islam is a much more vital and important reactionary force than your faggot larp will ever be. Reasses what you spend your time on anon.

[Anonymous No.11457545]

>>11457489
>what if the real revolt was the friends we made along the way?

[Anonymous No.11457558]

Dierdre Carabine, Algis Uzdavinys, Ovid, Albert Schweitzer, Carroll Quigley

[Anonymous No.11457559]

>>11457455
Sick rec dude, definitely going to order this - not OP btw

[Anonymous No.11457568]

>>11457528
Unfortunately, I don't think radical Islam is really working as a means of reinstating Tradition. I'm not sure if you've spoken to many Muslims but the Muslim world is suffering from the same degeneracy as the West. It is, of course, a mitigated form of that degeneracy but the waters are rising and the dam will burst in the Islamic world and Islam, like Christianity, will be relegated to a minor role. You can see the forces at work now. There is a great clamor in the Muslim world for Westernization (with hegemonic and leveling forces like the US only exacerbating that din). Reactionary efforts are being made in the Muslim world, but they were made in Europe as well. I don't have much hope that Islam will somehow bring about a new golden age.

[Anonymous No.11457579]

>>11457568

[Anonymous No.11457583]

>>11457568
No well it is impossible now. Reactionaries imagine a world where the cognitive consequences of technology could be forgotten but really there is no turning away from what has been revealed. The only possible reset is a cataclysm. Such as what the Bhagavad Gita represents. And the flood. Etc.

[Anonymous No.11457600]

>>11457455
Have you read it and indeed so, how did it hold up? Plz response

[Anonymous No.11457650]

>>11457458
You forgot pic related.

[Anonymous No.11457702]

>>11457583
that's basically evola's thesis in "ride the tiger"

[Anonymous No.11457706]

>>11457458
Which John Green?

[Anonymous No.11457721]

>>11457706
>mfw newfags don't even know about esoteric Greenism

[Anonymous No.11457756]

>>11457721
>esoteric Greenism
Are bowls of cereal and dating involved?

[Anonymous No.11457769]

>>11457756
only as symbols to be utilized as supports for attaining higher states of realization

[Anonymous No.11457779]

>>11457421
>>11457432
alright go ahead and post some of his points so we can fight you guys about it

[Anonymous No.11457845]

>>11457721
Are you serious?

[Anonymous No.11457975]

About halfway through The Mystery of the Grail. It's my first Evola book.

[Anonymous No.11457980]

>>11457975

[Anonymous No.11457982]

>>11457650
I remember Evola denouncing Pythagoras in RAMW (for a few things but mostly for the gynecocratic and feminine element of his cult) . Could you explain how he might fit into a traditionalist worldview?

[Anonymous No.11458004]

>>11457982
>Could you explain how he might fit into a traditionalist worldview?
Sure. Firstly, Evola doesn't have a monopoly on traditionalism, so his opinion doesn't mean much, especially since he's just blindly echoing the theories of Bachofen (who himself was not a traditionalist), with all due respect for Evola. Secondly, Pythagoreanism is a genuinely metaphysical doctrine.

[Anonymous No.11458033]

>>11457980
Thanks for that. This is the chart that I found.
The advice in your pic seems more convincing. Although I am having no problem with The Mystery of the Grail and find it incredibly interesting, but maybe that is because I have read some works on magic and such. I'll more or less take the path recommended in your pic after I finish this book.

[Anonymous No.11458043]

>>11458033
Your welcome. Yeah, the point is that Mystery of the Grail is a niche interest. If it fits your niche then by all means read it, but it doesn't make sense to recc it as a starting point in a general chart. The chart in your post is pretty meh

[Anonymous No.11458128]

>>11458004
Good points. I suppose that even if what was said in the book about Pythagoras and the feminine element of his cult were true, I shouldn't hold that against his actual metaphysical view, which would have nothing to do with the way his cult was ran. That said, where could one even read about his views? I know Aristotle summed some of his stuff up, but what's the go-to text for Pythagoras?

[Anonymous No.11458165]

>>11458128
There are collections of fragments from pythagoras you can read, it's not much to go on though. Really you just kind of have to infer what many of his ideas may have been by reading about Mystery Cults and studying Plato (who studied with Pythagoreans). Also study number related symbolism

[Anonymous No.11458189]

>>11458165
Alright, thanks anon. I'll look into him some more.

[Anonymous No.11458207]

>>11458189
mystery religions in the ancient world by godwin has a short but informative chapter on it

interesting fact: he would demand that people fast non-stop for something like two weeks before he would accept them as students/initiates

[Anonymous No.11458223]

>>11457568
Iove how pol tards think i need to be less degenerate but they fuck anime pillows and their role model raw dogs literal whores

[Anonymous No.11458249]

>>11458223
Not him but alt-right =/= traditionalists.

[Anonymous No.11458257]

>>11458207
Thanks for the recommendation. I just added it to my list. The fact about fasting is a good sign that he is worth study.
>>11458223
/pol/ is degenerate, agreed.

[Anonymous No.11458386]

>>11458128
The Pythagorean Sourcebook and Library is pretty good. It also contains commentary by Porphyry, Iamblichus, as well as fragments from various Pythagoreans and Neopythagoreans.

[Anonymous No.11458509]

>>11458386
Very much appreciated. This will be helpful.

[Anonymous No.11458555]

>>11457432
this

[Anonymous No.11458783]

>>11457455
Society of the spectacle, too. Amazing read

[Anonymous No.11458982]

>>11458783

what's that about?

[Anonymous No.11459011]

So Evola is actually worth reading? I thought he was just a meme. I read Guenons Intro to the Hindu Doctrines as a prelude to the Upanishads and enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.11459025]

>>11459011
Evola is good in getting people to realise that there is something fundamentally, spiritually flawed about modernity.

What a lot of people disagree with him however is his proscriptions on what to do about it.

[Anonymous No.11459069]

>>11458223
Pol gives traditionalism a bad name. They turned the school of thought into a deluded war cry against women and minorities. It's a legitimate philosophy but these guys don't know anything about it beyond the cute Aryan farm waifu they're promised.

[Anonymous No.11459083]

>>11459069
it's too bad evola never converted to islam, even if he had converted to some edgy sect like nizari ismailis (which would have been right up his alley), his conversion would hve been the death blow to all these damn larpers. Almost every major traditionalist was a convert to islam

[Anonymous No.11459100]

>>11459083
Why did they choose Islam?

[Anonymous No.11459112]

Anyone have ebooks for Evola's books for Kindle? Most of the stuff I get from the megas and wild google searches turn up to be dud copies when I place it in my kindle

[Anonymous No.11459114]

>>11459100
I cant say for sure but I think another anon said that Islam was preferable because it was similar enough to the west's native Christianity, whilst also having a more "living" esoteric tradition compared to Christianity, which they saw as having become bloated and corrupted with dogma / political struggles / etc.

[Anonymous No.11459118]

>>11459114
Well, you're right on the dogma and politics. I wonder if an Eastern or Oriental form of Christianity would suit the traditionalists like Islam does.

[Anonymous No.11459126]

>>11457421
Reading this right now. It makes me realize that metaphysics really doesn't make sense unless you have some appreciation of esotericism. Also, deontology (like most Kantian things) is literally just traditional spiritual leadership from a materialist angle.

[Anonymous No.11459127]

>>11459100
According to Guenon, it's the most accessible and least degenerate tradition to westerners.

[Anonymous No.11459130]

>>11459127
What makes Hinduism inaccessible?

[Anonymous No.11459135]

>>11459130
New Age, Theosophists, orientalists and ISKCON providing misleading interpretations to western minds.

[Anonymous No.11459137]

>>11459135
Also, finding a teacher to initiate you into an esoteric tradition is damn near impossible.

[Anonymous No.11459146]

>>11459112
Does kindle do PDFs? There's a big torrent of his work on the pirate bay.

[Anonymous No.11459157]

>>11459146
Kindle isn't that good with Pdfs but I'll try converting. Would prefer a .mobi

[Anonymous No.11459165]

>>11457421

[Anonymous No.11459166]

>>11457432
>pypo cant have different opinions than me, and if they do they are leftist faggots

/pol/tars are reverse SJWs, indeed.

[Anonymous No.11459394]

>>11457421
I'm about 80 pages in

Seems pretty dumb so far. Just rambling about ancient religions/rituals and how they used to think in comparison to now.

Some interesting history, but It's kinda gay so far. The dude literally sounds like a LARPer who wants to live in Elder Scrolls Oblivion IRL

[Anonymous No.11459444]

>>11459118
Wouldn't that just contribute further to the bloated and fragmented state of Christianity in the modern day? Christianity will only rise again if it establishes a concrete and wholesome worldview that is embraced by all of its followers, otherwise it will continue its slow death.

[Anonymous No.11459486]

>>11459444
Christianity is already dead (as an organized religion)

We need something inspiring and maybe radical to bring it back and purge the mega church cucks

[Anonymous No.11459487]

Never read the book, but its pretty obvious that the "Modern World' is a living nightmare. So I agree with the title, at least.

[Anonymous No.11459493]

>>11457455
>"We have a world of pleasure to win,
so, this is the power of hedonists

[Anonymous No.11460865]

>>11459011
I think he's worth reading for sure. Even if you don't get much out of his actual metaphysical doctrines (which if you liked Guenon, you should), you'll still probably enjoy his critique of modernity, especially Russia and the US. I thought his commentary on the US was spot-on and actually funny because of its truth.

>>11459083
Very, very true. Although, I'm surprised that the fact that he heavily praises Islam and talks so much trash about Christianity (especially, Protestantism) hasn't scared away more /pol/tards. He fucking hated Protestantism. It's hilarious.

>>11459100
I can't speak too much for the other traditionalists, but a lot of Evola's praise of Islam had to do with its doctrine of jihad. He thought it gave mankind more opportunity for heroic action (at least, historically). That said, I can't remember but I think he critiqued it a bit too.

>>11459126
I had that same feeling while reading it. A lot of things make more sense now, and I'm starting to see how much of the work done in philosophy for hundreds of years has amounted to nothing but mere rambling.

>>11459444
I hope you get something out of it, anon. Some parts are slower than others. A lot of it is purely expository. If anything you'll enjoy the second half more where he dissects modernity. Maybe not. It's definitely not for everybody. I don't think someone is a LARPer though if they genuinely believe in that stuff. LARPing is just for spiritually dead people who like to make believe without actually believing.

[Anonymous No.11460882]

>>11457421
>modern world
>written in 1930s

[Anonymous No.11460888]

>>11460882
modernity started with the rennaissance

[Anonymous No.11460906]

>>11460888
>we should listen to people who would shit themselves or burn you alive if you showed them a cell phone

This is the cancer that is killing /lit/

[Anonymous No.11460985]

>>11458982

It's basically 'The Reign of Quantity and the Sign of the Times' but filtered through 1960's French Marxist terminology. Debord describes much of the same cultural and intellectual degeneration as Evola and Guenon. Interesting to read even for a reactionary or traditionalist. I especially liked how he talked about how consumer products 'colonize' social interactions in the sense of invading that sphere and establishing themselves in a parasite-like manner to the point where a large extent of social-interaction is mediated by identification with and communication through products. Consumer culture has gotten to a point where people make wide-ranging judgements about each other based on what consumer products one buys, and this is promoted in the popular media as a sign of sophistication and culture. It's somewhat materialist compared to the traditionalists but still interesting nonetheless.

Spoiler: he says the Soviet Union was anti-revolutionary and forwards the idea of workers councils seizing the means of production in self-governing councils as the solution to the 'Spectacle'.

If he had just dropped the Marxist terminology and mentioned the Jews a few times it would be considered an alt-right/reactionary classic.

[Anonymous No.11461027]

>>11460985
>If he had just dropped the Marxist terminology and mentioned the Jews a few times it would be considered an alt-right/reactionary classic.

This only demonstrates how close fascism and communism really are.

[Anonymous No.11461047]

>>11460888
>Revolt against the modern world when we live in the postmodern world

What did Evolaposters mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11461123]

>>11461047
It means we have become conscious of the unrealness of Maya. Instead of turning our backs to it after realizing the phenomenal nature of the world for what it is, we chose to embrace it for its promises and seemingly infallible justifications for temporal power and individualism. We are both the prisoners and jailers of the unreal. The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times, Revolt Against the Modern World, Simulacra & Simulation, The Society of the Spectacle, The technological Society, and Industrial Society and Its Future are more relevant today than they ever have been.

[Anonymous No.11461144]

>>11460985
>self-governing councils
What kind of shitidea is this?Has he ever been part of a council?

[Anonymous No.11461149]

>>11460906
>we should listen to anyone but those based enough to burn you alive if you showed them a cell phone

[Anonymous No.11461193]

>>11461047
modernity is defined, by traditionalists, as any movement which departs from tradition, especially anything occuring post-rennaissance. In that reapect so-called "post-modernity" and modernity are the same. Both are equally untraditional.

[Anonymous No.11461295]

>>11457528
So how exactly do you suggest we revolt physically? How do you even begin to do that in a democracy where once you're labelled a terrorist, the entirety of the population will be against you? Why do you think that spiritually and physically distancing yourself from decadent society is somehow capitulation? It's the exact opposite. That's like saying escaping a hostage situation is letting the robber win.

[Anonymous No.11461296]

>>11460985
Interesting, thanks man.

[Anonymous No.11461319]

>>11457428
WTF

Why does this sound like Nina Simone you know how I feel

[Anonymous No.11462227]

>>11459025
This is a good way to put it anon. Evola doesnt offer a way out. A necessary step though is identifying the problems first.

[Anonymous No.11462234]

>>11461319
Why did you do this to me? Now all I can think about is that song when I listen to this one.