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It's Carl Schmitt's birthday. Say something nice about him.

https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/07/remembering-carl-schmitt-7/

>> No.11447340

>>11447316
Based

>> No.11447342

Happy Birthday.

>> No.11448164

>>11447316
He cute.

>> No.11448508

Dude deserves more discussion on here t b q h.

>> No.11448650

Unquestionably the greatest metapolitical thinker.

>> No.11448659 [DELETED] 

>>11447316
He looks like a retard

>> No.11448661

>>11448650
lol, anon.


Its a shame this guy is utterly despised in Europe (especially in Germany).

>> No.11448674

>>11448661
(in liberal circles)
Threre's going to be a massive comeback as we abandon liberalism, either to the left or to the right.

>> No.11448719

I'm not sure i get his argument from exception. If i understood it correctly, his argument is that the nature of sovereignty is shown in the exceptional circumstances where the sovereign must act outside the law for its own survival, and that proves that sovereign power is intrinsically above the law. The argument presupposes that the law cannot deal with exceptional circumstances by nature as it rests on statutes which are made to govern the normal and as such cannot cover the exceptional. Is this correct?

>> No.11448720

>>11448674
Big if true.

>> No.11448730

>>11448719
Its more of a "natural law as substrate of positive law". That's my interpretation of him

>>11448674
Doubt it. Even right leaning countries in Europe suck Habermas dick really hard. I doubt people will abandon the reasoning of the Frankfurt school anytime soon

>> No.11448731

>>11448674
Unfortunately for the past decade or two, interest in him by the 'intellectual class' has mostly been by jewish neocons citing his arguments for why the state should curtail civil liberties to conduct widespread surveillance, invade ME countries to ensure Israeli hegemony and so on. So he has seen a renaissance but just not in the 'based' way most readers of him here would presumably want.

>> No.11448747

>>11448731
Neocons are straussians.

>> No.11448789

>>11448730
I recently read Habermas, total garbage. Pure marxist drivel.
>>11448731
Hence why I said to the left or to the right.

>> No.11448793

>>11448747
They may cite him to put on pretenses of being intellectuals but the vast majority of neocons are retarded hacks who spend all their time kvetching about muh russia and muh iran on twitter and cable news.

>> No.11448794

>>11448720
I know mostly from our generation of upcoming jurists. Kelsenian law is going to fuck off after the following legal revolution.

>> No.11448810

>>11448794
>Kelsen
>Relevant
Only if you suck big positivist cock, my dude.

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11448817

>>11447316
>counter-currents.com

>> No.11448820

>>11448789
He has some interesting concepts and Hoppe is his disciple (that ancap guy who's into natural law) so he's not that bad. The only legal theorist I wish death upon is Kelsen and Dworkin. Fuck "neo-positivism". Fuck "neo-naturalism".

>> No.11448835

>>11448810
Just about every professor I've had was a kelsen dick sucking cuck.

>> No.11448838

>>11448820
Natural law as per Aquinas and MacIntyre or some other natural law?

>> No.11448853

>>11448838
Commonly, nowadays, what is referred to natural is either the notion of "rerum natura" (nature of things that was re-popularized by Kaufmann) or natural law per se. I don't know Hoppe's position on this matter but I suspect it might be some type of rational-natural law just as Locke, Rousseau, Kant and that lot defended

>> No.11448860

>>11448835
Where you from? I'm Portuguese and Hart is deepthroated CONSTANTLY

I forgot to add to this post (>>11448853) that MacIntyre is mostly irrelevant in Law and that Aquinas' contributions were many and great, but he's no longer that much of an important figure in today's natural law

>> No.11448875

>>11447316
Wasn't this idiot a Nazi? Sounds like a spineless hack.

>> No.11448892
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11448892

>>11448674
Lmao, you’re cute sweaty x

>> No.11448899

>>11448860
Croatia.
>>11448853
It depends on the circles you are in because the natural law of the classical type went from nonexistent to having a number of big names in contemporary philosophy in a few decades. He's not important in the modern natural law theory because it is not the same theory at all, they just share the name.
>>11448875
Short answer no, long answer, it's complicated.

>> No.11448916

>>11448875
Like all great thinkers he was to the right of National Socialism.

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11448952

>>11448892
Sweaty? Sounds gross.

>> No.11448983

>>11448916
Unironically this.

>> No.11448990

>>11447316
hb m8, ur the real sovereign authority
>>11448817
>webcomic reaction image
opinion discarded

>> No.11449070

>>11448899
By "contemporary" do you mean Fuller?

>> No.11449349

>>11449070
Feser, Pruss, Davies, MacIntyre (old but still active).

>> No.11449458

>>11448875
>Nazi
Use real words if you don't want to be laughed at.

>> No.11449534

>>11448916
Imagine not reading Schmitt because muh nazis

>> No.11449754

>>11448731
Nah, the Schmitt resurgence is due to left-wing post-Marxists (Agamben, Mouffe, Kervegan) and the french new-right (basically Alain de Benoist).

Strauss and Schmitt didn't see eye to eye. Heinrich Meier and Alain de Benoist wrote about this. Schmitt low-key thinks Strauss is a lying atheist who should not be trusted.

>> No.11449945

>>11449754
>Strauss is a lying atheist who should not be trusted.
Such is the jew.

>> No.11450239

>>11449754
Based Schmitt.

>> No.11450241

Literally whomst

>> No.11450266

>>11450241
Literally the best and most important political thinker of the 20th century.

>> No.11450601

>>11450241
You're not going to make it.

>> No.11450667

>>11447316
Happy birthday Tom Hanks!

>> No.11450694

>>11448730
There aren't any countries in Europe that are not liberal.

>> No.11450841

>>11450694
Poland, Hungary and Russia are not liberal democracies or are on the way to iliberal democracy.

>> No.11450844

>>11450694
I'm assuming you mean liberal in the American sense? If so, umm Eastern Europe and the bloc of countries in Europe against the left.

>> No.11450987

>>11450266
This.

>> No.11451028

>>11448661
>(especially in Germany)
even the lefties read him in germany at least where i come from.

>> No.11451055

Happy bday <3

>> No.11451133

>>11451028
Oh really? Go on.

>> No.11451148

The most based legal thinker of the twentieth century.

>> No.11451201

Bump for birthday.

Is there anyone I should read before Schmitt that is critical to understanding him? And I assume I should begin with Political Theology and proceed in chronological order, correct?

>> No.11451205

>>11451201
Someone should honestly make a Schmitt chart with some good related additional readings.

>> No.11451299

>>11450266
Nah

>> No.11451316

>>11450266
Yeah

>> No.11451620

>>11447316
Hey Carl! How old are you now?

>> No.11451640

foucault, hardt, negri and agamben liked him

>> No.11451656

>>11448661
>despised in Europe
what the fuck. Where are you from?. All the post-structuralist, post-modern, post-whatever hipster fucks love him in europe

>> No.11451881

>>11447316
This man, in my country he is everything.

>> No.11451977

>>11448789
explain?
besides habermas being literally "grug social, grug democracy, grug public debate good"

>> No.11452570

>>11447316
Hi Carl! What did you do for your birthday yesterday?

>> No.11453028 [DELETED] 

Habermas BTFO'd.

>> No.11453037

>>11448650
He's up there, but I gotta give that title to Kuehnelt-Leddihn.

Schmitt is one of the kingpins though.

>> No.11453446

>>11453037
Who are the other kingpins for you?