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Is this a good version of the Bible to read as literature?

>> No.11443951
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11443951

>>11443870
I don't think the Bible is something that can just be read as plain literature. What do you mean?

>> No.11443954

>>11443951
I mean to read it as someone who is not a Christian

>> No.11443955

>>11443870
Depends if you want it to be archaic or not. KJV and NKJV are good if you just want to read it and don't particularly care about having the most accurate translation possible.

>> No.11443956

>>11443951
why is this board so rife and reeking with christcucks

>> No.11443957

>>11443956
Because it's the most intelligent board on this site.

>> No.11443958

>>11443956
Seething much ?

>> No.11443977

Did you guys read the Bible cover from cover for the literary value? Was it worth it?

>> No.11443981

>>11443977
You're gonna get pretty bored if you do that.

>> No.11443990

>>11443977
Didn't read from cover to cover but read through the whole thing over a year or so, with some other books in between (atheist).

Definitely worth it, but then again I'm interested in religious writings and philosophy for their own sake.

>> No.11443995

>>11443990
What books from the Bible were your favourites?

>> No.11443997

So what is the best version to read, anyhow? King James?

>> No.11444002

>>11443997
KJV or NKJV for general reading. NRSV or NAB for a more accurate translation.

>> No.11444033

>>11443956
> implying religion, philosophy and ethics don't have their place in literature

Maybe go back to your capeshit, kid.

>> No.11444063

>>11443956
>HELP, MY SAFE SPACE IS RUINED REEEEEEEE

>> No.11444245

>>11443957
Maybe 4 years ago you'd be right

>> No.11444288

>>11443956
STOP BELIEVEING IN THINGS I DONT BELIEVE IN STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT RRRRRRRREEEEEEEE

>> No.11444294

>>11444002
>NRSV
>Gender neutral
>Accurate
hmmm

>> No.11444376

>>11443955
>>11444002
When will this "KJV is not accurate" meme end? Fucking heretics.

>> No.11445095

>>11443954
You mean like a Jew?

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>>11443870
no but pic related is good

the oxford version holds the text in low respect and has condescending, incredulous commentary

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>>11443870

Get Norton's KJV. It's costly, but the commentary and critical intros are much more substantial and useful than Oxford's.

>> No.11445125

>>11443956
because belief for some people here is just about being cool

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>>11443870

>> No.11445208

>>11445125
>LOOK MOM I'M CONTRARIAN BY BEING A CHRISTCUÇK
is basically the new edgy on 4chan and the 2016 redditfugees only pushed it harder

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>>11443956

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>>11444063
>>11444288

>> No.11445549

>>11443870

>reading the bible as literature

literary hipster fuckboi

>> No.11445578

>>11445549
>not reading the most influential literary work of all times

>> No.11445615

>>11445578

I didn't say anything about reading it, I criticized the most basic bitch hipster concept of

>eww look at how nuanced I am, I'm not reading the bible as a religious text I'm reading it as a literary one, I should post about this on facebook so all of my equally fuckboi friends from Williamsburg can think highly of me while we drink at our favourite gin bar

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Great supplementary text

>> No.11445685

>>11445101
You shouldn't be incredulous towards the tales of desert nomads who knew close to nothing about anything?

>> No.11445799

>>11445685
((you)) should be, but the commentary should usually be neutral. That's the whole point.

>> No.11445903

>>11443951
What is this picture?
I like it and I want to know more about it, but I'm having trouble finding relevant results on reverse image searches.

>> No.11445930

>>11445615
What if I'm not sure about what denomination of Christianity I should trust?

I'm interested in learning more about Christianity and potentially devoting myself to an individual denomination. My thinking is that if I read a Catholic Bible, then I'll be swayed to be Catholic, or if I read KJV I'll prefer Protestantism, and so on. That's why I'm interested in literary translation: if the translator isn't aiming to preserve religious fidelity, I'll have a clearer, more agnostic perspective when I'm compare how different denominations do things.

>> No.11446351

>>11445615
How the fuck is a non-Christian supposed to read the Bible then, you moron?

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>>11446351
Convert, then read. After that you may stray from the faith.

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>>11443870
It's not perfect but the ESV Study Bible some very good footnotes. Make sure you read the Indexed edition.

>> No.11446848

>>11445799
Not necessarily?

>> No.11448153

Can you guys tell me more about the Norton and Oxford Bibles? Both seem appealing to me. Apparently there are a few versions out by Oxford.

>> No.11448225

>>11448153
Asimov explain it in his book. I don't remember but is clearly definied.

>> No.11448231

>>11448225
Except there have been new editions of things since his death.

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>>11443956
Because there's a lot of dumb people who think they have the world figured out.
>>11444033
They do, as mythical and cultural texts, not to be regarded as the truth

There is no excuse for believing in any religious texts in 2018, unironically

>> No.11448458

I've also decided to read the bible recently. I have a King James version as well as a Jerusalem bible. No idea which to better. Biblehub.com is a really good resource for reading though - it lets you compare versions and translations, and has commentary. I've also been recommended The Kingdom Within: The Inner Meaning of Jesus' Sayings by John A Sanford, which (I'm told) is a Jungian reading of everything notable saying. Hope this helps, OP

>> No.11448497

>>11448458
I’m more a fan of biblegateway. KJV is also my preferred.

>> No.11448634

>>11445101
Is this really better?

>> No.11450264

>>11448634
No. Fuck Penguin

>> No.11450284

>>11445903
...
when i reverse search i see
>Best guess for this image: georg osterwald the father's grave
>The fathers grave by Georg Osterwald on artnet
>The Father Grave Painting by Georg Osterwald - Fine Art America

i think it's a van gough

>> No.11450991

>>11450284
What service did you use? I used tineye and didn't get any quality hits.

>> No.11451056

>>11445930
RSV or NRSV is what you want then. They're not geared towards a particular denomination and are used in secular academia.

>> No.11451069

>>11448153
The New Oxford Annotated Bible is what you want. It's currently in its 5th edition, and you may as well get the most up-to-date version which includes the latest scholarship.

>> No.11451146

>>11451069
What about the other Oxford one? I'm guessing Oxford has both a Protestant and a Catholic study bible out? I think they might have two versions of Catholic bibles if I've read right. Not sure which Bible fits with which denomination honestly.

>> No.11451183

>>11451146
There's also the Oxford Study Bible but it's not denominational either. There isn't a Catholic Oxford Bible. Unless you mean the NRSV Catholic Edition, which is the same as the regular NRSV translation but with the books in the Catholic order.

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>>11448406

>> No.11451198

>>11451183
Catholic order? I really don't know much so I don't mean anything. Just figured about getting a few good academic study bibles and if there were also good academic Catholic and Protestant specific bibles I'd read those in addition to the non-denominational ones.

>> No.11451237

>>11444294
it was gendered in shitty translations, nrsv removed the changes to leave it genderless when a gender wasn't specified

>> No.11451279

>>11443870
NIV is the best translation in general.

>> No.11451288

>>11443870
It has the correct translation, but the Oxford is not necessarily the best edition. You can get high quality KJVs at good prices from the Trinitarian Society and Local Church Bible Publishers.

Also, that Oxford edition has sparse notes so it's not the best if you are looking for a study bible.

I would overall recommend you avoid study bibles and annotated editions. most of the notes distract from reading and don't go that deep anyway. The New Oxford Annotated Bible has interesting scholarly (though critical) notes but the translation is barely accurate, it is very gender neutral.

The KJV is the best version for appreciating the literary qualities of the Bible, and it is better in terms of accuracy than most modern translations as well.

If you want to better understand the theological significance of specific verses, look them up in a commentary to read alongside. I would recommend Calvin's, his one is still more refreshing and interesting to read than modern ones.

>> No.11451342

>>11451279
No it's not.

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>>11451188
Come on, be honest with me. Surely you don't take it literally?
I say that as a member of a Catholic community. It's great for forming friendships and keeping up tradition, having a sense of belonging maybe, but it's just mythology. Same as any other religion we call paganism, adjusted to fit modern values.

>> No.11451448

>>11443870
You need to put into consideration what the translators were doing

>> No.11451894

>>11445101
Oh yh yh I'm definitely gonna approach the writings of some bunch of guys who barely washed their own dicks WITH credulity, you can bet on that

>> No.11451900

>>11445615
Woah woah woah let's have some of that Christian humility please

>> No.11451920

>>11445799
The whole point of what? Commenting? >>11445930
Speaking as an apostate, I'd say non-denominational is the only non-idiotic way to go

>> No.11452278

>>11443951
This. You are literally reading God's words. It's a sacred thing and should not be treated as something casual or as an academic thing to be studied. Our religion is not your play thing Fuck off

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>>11452278

>> No.11452492

>>11451237
You're an idiot and you should contemplate drinking bleach

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>>11452278
Edgy

>> No.11452995

>>11443995
Of course the typical answers of Job and Ecclesiastes, but I liked anything with a lot of stories or vivid imagery. The apocalyptic/prophets writings like Daniel and Revelation were some of my favorites. Judges was great too.

Pleb answer? I don't know, I liked most of it other than the driest sections of lists and genealogies.

>> No.11453007

>>11452278
lol

>> No.11453024

>>11443956

Praying for you, brother

>> No.11453050

>>11448406
>They do, as mythical and cultural texts, not to be regarded as the truth
>There is no excuse for believing in any religious texts in 2018, unironically
I'd like you to *unironically* read "12 Rules For Life: an Antidote to Chaos". The author directly and clearly disproves everything you just said, it's almost like you were exactly the intended audience.

People meme about that book, but then I see people like you really do exist, and I'm struck at just how necessary it really is.

>> No.11453449

>>11453024
This comment is always a lot better with the image of the old knight.

>> No.11453506

>>11451198
In that case the NABRE is a very affordable Catholic Bible with lots of notes. The Ignatius Study Bible is meant to be very good. The ESV Study Bible is a popular protestant one.

>> No.11453578

>>11453506
Thanks. I'm just trying to figure out how many bibles this will amount to me needing to get.

>> No.11453584

>>11453506
And which ones. I don't care so much for popularity. As far as >>11445141 goes, I favour formal equivalence and better sources so I guess I'll go with what it says there? Unless there is something else I'm missing with just this chart and what has been said so far?