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11435583 No.11435583 [Reply] [Original]

h-he was wrong, r-r-right? Send me books to keep me sane, ones that show he's wrong

>> No.11435591

>>11435583
What are you questioning he was wrong about? He says a lot during his lifetime

>> No.11435601

>>11435583
welcome brother

>> No.11435615

>>11435583
Leopold and Loeb

>> No.11435638

>>11435583
No such book or person exists. Everyone's arguments amount to petty ad hominem and incomplete and immature understandings of his philosophy. His philosophy is the bedrock of Western civilization at this point and denying him means denying all major scientific and technological advances since his time.

>> No.11435643

>>11435638
nice pasta.
upvoted.

>> No.11435664

>>11435638
Boring pasta. Not upvoted, as a matter of fact, downvoted.

>> No.11435685

> nietzsche
> EVER being wrong

>> No.11435690

His aesthetics limit the forms that the will to power can take

>> No.11435742

>>11435583
everything about the idyllic the world is perfect playground fairytale childhood that has been manufactured for most children is a veil of wool pulled over the eyes for some to benefit by keeping the truth of nietzche from the babes (as in babies)

>> No.11435756

>>11435591
his genealogy and his shitting on Christianity

>> No.11435767

>>11435638
This pasta was always too short and is now also too stale.

>> No.11436535

Bump

>> No.11436577

>>11435756
why would any of that be wrong?

>> No.11436595

>>11435756

You got rekt m8. A bunch of filthy vengeful kikes invented your god and your religion. Accept it and move on

>> No.11436602

>>11436595
Not only should be he move on, he should try and do better from now on.

>> No.11436780

>>11435638
Be it pasta or samefag, this shit smells rancid

>> No.11436811

>>11436780
That's because it's still true. Morality binds the weak together and keeps the strong from rightfully exercising their authority upon them.

>> No.11436889

>>11436811
what are some worthy goals?

>> No.11437287

I See Satan Fall Like Lightning by René Girard

>> No.11437359

>>11435583
Crime and Punishment

>> No.11437374

>>11437359
No.

>> No.11437386

>>11437374
literally what he's askin for boy

>> No.11437515

>>11435583
This breed of pseud shouldnt exist

>> No.11437643

>>11437287
thanks dawg

>> No.11437674
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11437674

>>11435756
I've not returned to Nietzsche after having prematurely tackled him without the necessary prerequisites, but from the little I understand of his take on Christianity it's not completely wrong - just that his ideals lie completely contradictory to Christianity's. The rest rests on the assumption that Christianity isn't the truth, and is completely reframed or refuted if the opposing view is taken.

>> No.11437704

>>11435583
>Send me books to keep me sane
There is no reason why his books should make you insane.

I think you're misunderstanding something about his philosophy, and it probably has to do with the fact that your perspective stands deeply opposed to his. Assuming you're a Christian, you're fine-tuned to not consider the possibility of there being a capital T Truth for every perspective that there is in the world. You think such a premise is absurd. But that was Nietzsche's perspective and then there's yours. Your perspective is all you have, so if his words seem absurd to you, they're absurd, end of story. At the end of the day you need to go with your gut feeling.

If you aren't a diehard Christian though and your gut feeling is saying that Nietzsche makes sense and there's another reason why you're going mad from it, then you probably just have some inner demons to take care of.

>> No.11437709

>>11435583
You'll go insane for about 8 years and come back a revived hedonist or absurdist.

GL

>> No.11438139

>>11437704
rejecting realism was a mistake

>> No.11438322

>>11435756
For such a thing to exist satisfactorily it would have to be a defence of christianity from a Nietzschean perspective (since his criticisms are very much based in the ideals which he values versus the ideals which he doesn't) which wouldn't be very coherent.

The genealogy of morals is pretty straightforward, either you believe Christianity is true or you don't and then you either accept his values or you don't. The orgin of good and evil/bad is pretty clear and I don't know why that would cause any crisis at all so I assume you're talking about the Ascetic Ideals bit. If Genealogy shook your faith it must not have been very strong to begin with and you'd be better off trying to read more general Christian apologetics rather than anti-Nietzsche refutations. And if you didnt have faith to begin with, I dont know why you'd be getting so upset over a denunciation of a faith you don't subscribe to.

>> No.11438590

Hegel proved him wrong

>> No.11438704

>>11435583
Even when he was wrong he was right. He can be used to argue both opposing positions.

>> No.11439073

>>11438139
American Pragmatism may have nothing to do with the search for truth but it sure is handy to keep in mind when dealing with ideas that stress you out.

>> No.11439097

>>11437709
this

>> No.11439099
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>>11435583
Focuses on his use of imagery (along with Rilke's and Shelley's). When poetry enters philosophy philosophical motherfuckers don't know what to do (it seems) except call (you) genius and climb on board.
Nietzsche used to jack himself up before composing by taking long mountain walks against the wind and shaking his fist, as if he were shaking it at God. The bluster's no mistake. He was copying 'God' as well..

>> No.11439105

>>11437374
WHY

>> No.11439110

>>11439073
... that is also true at philosophy

>> No.11440023

>>11439073
>>11439099
thanks fellas

>> No.11440686

From a scientific rationalist perspective yes

From a religious perspective no