do any novels explore the smug pepe / wojak dynamic? by that I mean a depressed overthinking loner whos existence is haunted by an absurd figure

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do any novels explore the smug pepe / wojak dynamic?

by that I mean a depressed overthinking loner whos existence is haunted by an absurd figure

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 12:30:52 2018 No.11416611 >>11416529 Picture of Dorian Gray isn’t quite like that but comes close, especially relationship between Basil and Henry

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 13:26:51 2018 No.11416812 My diary desu

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 13:28:34 2018 No.11416821 stephen and mulligan in ulysses

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 13:31:07 2018 No.11416836 What about the boomer Wojack and childlike Apu

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 14:15:51 2018 No.11417033 File: 54 KB, 793x786, helper sad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11416812 unironically this

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 14:27:57 2018 No.11417083 >>11416529 Sounds like you're describing Oyasumi Punpun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 14:55:46 2018 No.11417190 >>11416529 Sherlock Holmes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 15:10:37 2018 No.11417255 blood meridian is more of a virgin kid chad judge dynamic but it probably still fits

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 15:17:32 2018 No.11417276 Faust

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 15:29:47 2018 No.11417335 Not a novel, but the Simpsons episode Homer's Enemy fits the description pretty well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 15:32:00 2018 No.11417349 >>11416529 The Double A hero of our time Faust

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 15:58:02 2018 No.11417472 don quixote

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 16:02:38 2018 No.11417499 >>11417472 How?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 16:11:21 2018 No.11417541 >>11417499 sancho and don...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 19:16:23 2018 No.11418244 >>11416821 Best answer itt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 19:19:32 2018 No.11418259 >>11417541 Who is Pepe and who is Wojak? Don is Wojak on part 2.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 19:25:24 2018 No.11418285 >>11417190 I don't get it. I assume you mean Holmes and Watson, but neither of them fit one of those archetypes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 19:34:24 2018 No.11418316 i’ve always seen the white cartoon as the protagonist of a story that increasingly grows stronger and his hero’s path leads him into becoming pepe. literally they are the same person who evolves from depression to nihilism

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 19:53:53 2018 No.11418399 >>11416529 Fight Club maybeish?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 20:01:26 2018 No.11418440 >>11416529 Did the greek citizenry have a relationship with their gods similar to our relationship with pepe/wojack?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 20:07:40 2018 No.11418470 File: 311 KB, 630x748, Gooby-wants-milk-630x748.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11416529 Dolan and Gooby comics

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 20:11:01 2018 No.11418479 >>11416836 Sherlock Holmes desu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 20:14:19 2018 No.11418494 >>11418470 thanks for triggering my PTSD

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 20:15:02 2018 No.11418499 >>11416529 >a depressed overthinking loner whos existence is haunted by an absurd figure I should write a novel with this theme. But I can barely shit out a poem or a short story, so I'll never do it most likely. >>11418470 Shit, that's an old meme

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 20:18:24 2018 No.11418512 King lear and fool in king lear

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 20:22:08 2018 No.11418528 >>11418512 That's a legit good answer t.b.h.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 23:01:12 2018 No.11419112 >>11418499 >Shit, that's an old meme no, it's really not

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 5 23:06:04 2018 No.11419128 >>11417033 Awww

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 01:22:39 2018 No.11419587 >>11416529 The Victim by Saul Bellow

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 01:24:58 2018 No.11419598 >>11416529 The Petty Demon by Sologub

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 01:53:12 2018 No.11419684 >>11417541 And Sancho is supposed to be Wojak, haunted by Pepe Quixote? Doesn't really add up to me

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 03:08:28 2018 No.11419880 >>11418494 >>11418499 >Fucking Dolan is considered an "old" meme now I've been here too fucking long.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 04:24:22 2018 No.11420005 >>11416529 The Wooster and Jeeves short stories. They definantly have a 4chan feel

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 07:59:57 2018 No.11420456

This only may be tangentially related but another poster mentioned the growth of wojak and id like to comment on this.
Wojak is a isolated,self-loathsome/hating anxious figure who exxagerates the humanity and emotions in all of us.
In all of his images he shows his reactions to the world around him, whether it be happy, sad, angry etc. he is never in control.
Save for the golden wojaks and hijaks where wojak has lost his humanity.
Opposed to this is pepe an utterly absurd figure who bends the rules of reality (even his own!) And seems to follow no code of decency or logic he represents the world around us (wojak) which seems utterly impossible to comprehend.

Now wojak could never hope to be the god like figure pepe is but as wojak grows older he seems to have found some peace in this uncertain world through becoming the 30 year old Boomer.
Wojak has lost his youth, his self-reflection and self-awareness and possibly everything else that could have been considered a virtue or even beautiful, however even through this loss the 30 year old Boomer is...happy with himself
He's confident and beaming even while being disfigured,his sunglasses and monster drink might be childish and embarrassing to some but he's more in touch with his innocence then wojak ever was when he was younger.
He's the natural progression of the humanity in us all
1/2

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:02:19 2018 No.11420462 >>11418285 holmes is literally don quixote and watson is sancho

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:03:00 2018 No.11420464

If wojak has changed through out the years then so must pepe because pepe represents the world as humanity sees it and wojak's perspective has certainly aged so the world must have changed as well (pepe and wojak cannot be without each other.)

Whereas once pepe was an enigmatic and unforgiving god which wojak was at the complete mercy to, he has now become the childlike and incompetent Apu.
Similarly where the world was once dark and remorseless to wojak, through his experience it has now become castrated and simple through his own confidence in himself and knowledge of his long-time friend pepe.

Also I like to think that maybe the product of all the memes created might be deemed one day a modern day odyssey
Not a story in the usual sense, but the collective circulating memes at any time might one day paint an amazingly vivid tapestry of the 21st century experience through the multiple memetic iterations of thousands upon thousands of people.
2/2

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:11:55 2018 No.11420487 >>11420456 >>11420464 Beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:18:00 2018 No.11420505 >>11420462 See >>11419684

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:31:34 2018 No.11420556 the anime tatami galaxy is exactly that. i dont know about any books like that though, a least none that come close to the anime

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:31:36 2018 No.11420557 >>11420456 >>11420464 I really enjoyed this post.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:33:17 2018 No.11420563 File: 8 KB, 250x229, 1530359643046s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11420464 wojack evolved into a boomer, he seems much more content with his lot in life now, at least superficially

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:35:51 2018 No.11420568

>>11420464
Apu or help helper is a meme created at finnish imageboards because some fucking retard was actually so fucking disabled in real life, that he had actual "food help helpers" bring him food daily and posting pictures of the shitty meals and became a meme

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:37:06 2018 No.11420571 >>11420568 regardless of the origin pepe turning into this helpless and emotional creature is a strange turn

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:48:44 2018 No.11420609 >>11416529 Batman and joker

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:52:12 2018 No.11420626 Who true Bernd here? T. Bernd

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 08:55:34 2018 No.11420640
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I don't see the Boomer and Wojak as the same person at different lifepoints. I was under the assumption that Boomer was Wojak's dad, who mowed the lawn at 10am while he was trying to sleep. Or maybe it's a cycle, and every generation of Wojak goes through adolescanse/20's being a depressed/anixious loser, constantly trying to re-invent himself (but it's always just Wojak's same old self in a new hat). Until reaching his 30's, no longer being bounced around by the world, now wallows in nostalgia and the small universe he has for himself that he can control and predict.

Apu can't really be the evolution of Pepe. It doesn't make sense. It can be prequel though. As a child Pepe is helpless, naive, innocent, and spoiled/coddled so he never matures. When he inevitably does grow up, the innocence translates into somehow not obeying the laws of physics/nature, thus the absurdity of Pepe's cruelty is manifested. A cruelty born of his pampered and coddled nature, Pepe has no sense of others feelings or needs, he is the centre of the universe and everything else exists to help him. No longer physically helpless or scared/naive, Pepe uses others for pleasure, gaining joy from the misfortune he places them under.

What Pepe is doing now that Wojak is a boomer? Unfortunetly that tapestry is lost to history, so memeologists can only speculate. do you think people in the far future will study all our autistic shitposting OC in the same way we study ancient texts?

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 09:11:10 2018 No.11420703 Why is gondola not a more popular meme?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 09:13:14 2018 No.11420713 >>11420703 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8Yod8FFIZg

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 09:13:28 2018 No.11420714

>>11420640
> do you think people in the far future will study all our autistic shitposting OC in the same way we study ancient texts?

I'm frequently thinking of this; and while this outlook is Romantic - I believe that it's not valid.

You could argue that whole lot about "the present can never be properly perceived and blabla" but the last couple of decades show some form of serious break in the linear perception of history and progress.

I believe that if things keep going this way (with even more open travel and information access) , our historical mentality will continue to morph in itself, generating an even more amorphous mass of pseudo-continuous space-time, either atelic and/or excessively chained to husks of meaning.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 11:40:22 2018 No.11421263 >>11420556 tatami galaxy is a book bro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 12:30:51 2018 No.11421441 >>11420640 Quake takes a shit in all other fps games' mouths at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 13:48:01 2018 No.11421682 I want to put a smile on your face.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 13:50:56 2018 No.11421696 >>11420568 I remember this. Fucking ebin

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 14:03:07 2018 No.11421725 >>11420464 >>11420640 Apu is not Pepe, same as Spurdo is not Pedobear and Gondola is not Spurdo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 14:11:31 2018 No.11421751 >Apu I thought his name was helper.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 14:12:46 2018 No.11421756 Grendel. Wojak Grendel and Pepe Dragon "This jug is an absolute democracy of atoms!"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 14:12:50 2018 No.11421758 >>11421751 Apu means help in finnish

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 15:09:01 2018 No.11421961

Let’s write the book lads. General outline could be /lit/ anon attending a state college as the depressive and overthinking wojak, and have him see a Gondola that no one else sees everywhere he goes. Any ideas?

I should explain I mean this to be a silly pass-time just for this thread not a serious novel...

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 15:38:16 2018 No.11422050

>>11420456
>>11420464
Wojak/Pepe reflect the Freudian ego/super-ego/id triad. Original Wojak is super-ego, boomer Wojak is ego. Original Pepe (feelsgoodman) is ego, sad Pepe (sadfrog) is super-ego, smug Pepe is id. Pepe's course was to be driven insane by despair and lost innocence and give in to the id. But Wojak's will is so weak and super-ego so fragile he can't subsume id into his identity like Pepe did. The id would laugh at him if he attempted it. Boomer Wojack is like the Wojak incarnation of feelsgoodman. Rather than face the id Wojack has chosen to regress back to ego to regain his innocence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 16:11:01 2018 No.11422152 >>11421961 It could be a serious novel. Just don't name the characters as memes but have their personalities reflect them as accurately as possible

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 18:24:19 2018 No.11422730 Whomst is Apu?? feeling like a 30 year old boomer myself behind on these memes

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 18:26:56 2018 No.11422737 >>11422730 Apu is basically Dolan-Pepe, the short little Pepe that says HALP

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 19:04:23 2018 No.11422870 >>11416529 the double fits that description perfectly

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 19:11:04 2018 No.11422908 >>11418316 How did you gather this?

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 19:29:56 2018 No.11422964

Wojak and pepe are visual representations of the collective unconsciousness of the 4chan base. They serve an important heuristic function in board discourse in that they can be substitute for common themes. Think how a smile has evolved to substitute all the words for "I like you, I like what you're saying, I like what you are" - in the same way a Wojak says "I'm tired of life, this post depresses me" etc.
As evidence consider the variance of the meme distribution across different boards. For example, boomer memes became popular on /lit/ because of the social connotations of the uniting theme - literature. Incidentally, boomers being used as an insult here is a good example of projection.
On the other hand, consider /pol/, where pepes are the norm, tapping into the "we're the secret anti-jew society that elected Donald Trump through kek magic" vibe.
In the same way, although I don't lurk /r9k/ I would imagine that Wojaks are the meme of choice there, and so on.
Of course there is plenty of overlap, considering "the general 4chan culture" and as that evolves and shifts naturally.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:00:51 2018 No.11423074 File: 396 KB, 1200x750, 3ab77f481bc8671a5f250d90614796a0fe804d35d1cbb788d4968da7b3ca0eba.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where do Spurdo, Gondola and Dolan fit into the canon?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:03:37 2018 No.11423090 >>11423074 Spurdo represents a form of child-likr innocence of the posters here, considering people are here for years on end it's a reflection of nostalgia

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:04:45 2018 No.11423096 >>11420640 boomerjak is definitely wojak's father, possibly adoptive

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:06:06 2018 No.11423106 >>11416529 i started writing a story about exactly that, years ago. but i was real self-critical and stopped. in another timeline maybe you'd be looking to read a novel by me. maybe i should try to write it after all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:07:59 2018 No.11423113 >>11422964 Wtf are u talking about, boomer memes are popular on almost every board

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:08:15 2018 No.11423116

I'm writing a picaresque novel about a Gondala like man who seeks eternal NEETdom on the road and is joined on his travels by a Pepe like troll and a wannabe boomer Wojakesque character who just wants to be a Normie but is too much of a degenerate to make it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:10:05 2018 No.11423122 >>11423090 And Gondola? Does he represent the call to total indolence and passivity that we all deeply crave?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:15:57 2018 No.11423135 >>11423090 I think that's Gondola

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:18:04 2018 No.11423142 >>11423135 >>11423122 Yes sorry anons meant gondola not spurdo I'm drunk

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:22:00 2018 No.11423157 >>11423142 What does Spurdo represent then?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:24:24 2018 No.11423162 >>11420626 Bernd is dead.

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:28:31 2018 No.11423175

>>11423157
Spurdo represents a form of cultural unity, the way some ideas cross from one zone to another, also it has a foundation of community along with a general capacity for good, not naivety but a happiness and fun loving aspect representing an optimism for joy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:31:29 2018 No.11423186 >>11417472 this x 1000

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:40:06 2018 No.11423218

>>11420640
>do you think people in the far future will study all our autistic shitposting OC in the same way we study ancient texts?
no. you should probably try getting a girlfriend or actually writing that book if you want to leave any sort of indelible mark on the world. the boomer meme won't be around this time next year.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:41:09 2018 No.11423224 >>11416529 Ivan Karamazov and his late night visitor.

Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:42:46 2018 No.11423233

everyone has their pepe chronology wrong and its biasing your interpretations

pepe goes from 'feels good man' (carefree, self-confident) to the much more popular 'feels bad man' iteration (self-pitying, wallowing, depressive, much like wojak), then the angry pepe begins to rise in prominence (externalizing sad pepe's feelings of self hatred, projecting them outwards upon the world itself) until finally coalescing as 'smug pepe' (with various variants such as 'well memed my friend') wherein the character has overcome juvenile rage at the world and embraced the absurdity of existence and attained a level of mastery over it. He hates what he used to be intensely and actively perpetuates the misery of those like him (wojak, who never really made it past this stage of development)

ive never been too sure what to make of retard pepe though desu

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 20:45:06 2018 No.11423244 >>11423224 Actually all three Karamazov brothers and their father And Ivan and Smerdyakov fit this as well

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 21:23:50 2018 No.11423351 >>11416529 Brideshead Revisited

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 22:54:47 2018 No.11423653 >>11423233 good post

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 22:58:29 2018 No.11423665 >>11421725 Apu and pepe aren't nearly visually distinct enough

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 6 23:02:02 2018 No.11423672 >>11420703 He's not really that edgy nore can he be porced into a hyper wholesome role. Thus he stays relatively obscure

Anonymous Sat Jul 7 00:21:33 2018 No.11423928

Pepe and Wojak represent the duality between iconoclasm and alienation (respectively) within the average 4chan user. The 4chan user's worldview can be most concisely characterized as a contempt for "plebs and normies" and a reciprocal desire for acceptance amongst those of that very same group. Smug Pepe represents the passing and illusory feelings of mastery that arise from sustained periods of nihilism and social disenfranchisement. When one is exiled from the masses, it becomes easier to realize the triviality of their concerns, the superficiality of their tastes. It is no coincidence that Smug Pepe was most frequently depicted as wallowing in urine and feces and other abject materials: he is not smug despite the depravity of his situation; instead, it is his very depravity that grants him the distance necessary to feel superior to those that would reject and ostracize him. Although Wojak is relatively simpler, merely representing depression and anxiety and alienation, it is not his traits that make him interesting, but his relationship with Smug Pepe. In nearly every depiction of the two, we find Smug Pepe tormenting Wojak, seemingly for no reason.
This reveals the secret of the 4chan user: he realizes that it is not the "normies" or the "plebs" that torment him, but his own nihilism and depravity. The brief feeling of smug mastery that the user feels when shocking twitter normies with scatological pepe's is quicklly overshadowed and sublimated in the ever growing vortex of inadequacy and self-marginalization.
But there is hope. This Smug Pepe/Helpless Wojak configuration is not permanent: in fact, as we all well know, it is already a thing of the past. The current image of Boomer Wojak holding Retard Pepe's hand only serves to indicate that we heading into new and stranger territory. We would do well to realize that while Smug Pepe is most closely associated with the rise of Trump in 2016, Smug Pepe's emergence actually preceded Trump. There was a lag, you see: for a while at lead, users wondered: why was Pepe so smug? It was not until later that a reason hyperstitionally manifested.
What does Boomer Wojak/Retard Pepe say about the future then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 00:23:25 2018 No.11423935 >>11423928 based

Anonymous Sat Jul 7 00:35:46 2018 No.11423983

>>11420456
>Wojak has lost his youth, his self-reflection and self-awareness and possibly everything else that could have been considered a virtue or even beautiful, however even through this loss the 30 year old Boomer is...happy with himself
I'm reminded of Hal at the beginning/end of Infinite Jest

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 00:44:09 2018 No.11424015 >>11419880 Tfw made a PUDDI PUDDI reference and no replies on a shitpost the other day. Feel bad man

Anonymous Sat Jul 7 00:45:27 2018 No.11424021

To newfags

smug frog feelings toward feel guy's suffering is more complex than you might consider on first glance. He's often portrayed as the thing that is making him suffer in a myriad of different scenarios.

It's a little different to the beta and chad meme. The frog is more like an unconscious part of his personality; it's whimsical, mischievous, and the best way I can describe it is smug ambivalence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 00:49:19 2018 No.11424029 >>11421263 It got adapted into an anime. A pretty great one too, check it out friendo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 01:57:47 2018 No.11424219 >>11423928 Perhaps in the near future some event will happen that will castrate 4chan and render it's abilities powerless

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 02:23:30 2018 No.11424292 Is this what academia is like but with longer shitposts?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 02:55:57 2018 No.11424391 >>11424015 GIGAPUDDI

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 04:32:44 2018 No.11424573 File: 24 KB, 592x328, 1516186081674.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11424015 NOOO, I FINALLY FEEL LIKE I'm starting to get old!!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 04:36:35 2018 No.11424581 >>11420678 This is going to be my life.. God I pray I'm wrong..

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 04:41:04 2018 No.11424595 >>11424015 It be like that now

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 06:15:30 2018 No.11424783 >>11416529 Book of Job

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 06:20:09 2018 No.11424794 >>11424581 You had frems at least That's a plus

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 06:25:08 2018 No.11424803 File: 236 KB, 580x600, 1518657375128.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11424015 Stop making me feel like a newfag

Anonymous Sat Jul 7 06:29:02 2018 No.11424810
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>>11418499
Nigga just write it. if you havnt written anything before yeah itll be shit but you get better just by writing more and its the best feeling to notice your getting better

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 06:30:30 2018 No.11424812 >>11416821 mulligan is in love with stephen though

Anonymous Sat Jul 7 06:53:51 2018 No.11424885
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>>11423233
the retard pepe is an escape from culpability. after smug pepe wreaks havoc and elects trump he reverts into a more childlike and innocent state, appealing to the caring nature of those who are upset with him while simultaneously disarming debilitating thought-patterns of shame and guilt. this picture is probably the best representation of the intermediate state between the two modes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 06:57:30 2018 No.11424904 >>11423928 4chan is becoming boring (boomer) and retarded (apu).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 07:25:01 2018 No.11425013 >>11424015 Maybe they just thought you were retarded, those things make me psychotic

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 07:30:54 2018 No.11425027 File: 108 KB, 1024x983, 1530935558473.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11416836 >>11420640 Wojak to boomer and pepe to apu are the defeated world weary modes of the Dionysian and Apollonian modes respectively

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 07:43:54 2018 No.11425066 File: 168 KB, 794x528, boome2r.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11424794 >tfw 22 yr old boomer who hasnt had friends since school

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 07:53:32 2018 No.11425084 >>11423928 poopoo peepee was a separate development within r9k but your obviously right about the physiological origin

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 07:57:39 2018 No.11425098 >>11425084 psychological*

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 07:59:31 2018 No.11425105 Someone please make a meme of The Tell-Tale Heart where the MC is Wojac and the heart under the floorboards is Pepe Thid may work for his other stories, Cask of Amontillado, The Raven etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 08:02:59 2018 No.11425115 File: 142 KB, 800x1012, Humanum Feelus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11425027 >Apollonian and Dionysian modes respectively*

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 08:57:58 2018 No.11425277 File: 100 KB, 800x1177, oyasumi-punpun-859572.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11417083 That's pretty much it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 09:28:57 2018 No.11425379 >>11420678 Fugg

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 10:53:48 2018 No.11425648 Not a novel but Ferris Bueller's Day Off is very similar to this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 11:40:48 2018 No.11425777 Kafka and his father

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 11:48:03 2018 No.11425804 >>11425648 Ferris is Pepe and his friend guy is Wojak? Whose father's Ferrari he crashes?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 12:41:42 2018 No.11425956 >>11424885 I thought Apu was meant to taunt frogposters, but this makes sense too

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 12:44:33 2018 No.11425973 >>11425027 Other way around, Wojack is Apollonian while Pepe is Dionysian

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 12:47:19 2018 No.11425988 >>11424904 More like it's getting older (boomer) but it craves for its lost teen years, thus reverting to childlike behaviour. >>11425027 Makes sense

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 12:48:00 2018 No.11425993 >>11425777 They both seemed pretty depressed, though Kafka was obviously more troubled

Anonymous Sat Jul 7 13:09:49 2018 No.11426097
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Consider the following.

The best definition of "Kek" I've ever read was that it is "a laugh into chaos". Of course here we're not talking pepe as the avatar of an alt-right nuGod, but are you willing to deny the two discussions are not intertwined?

I'm really interested in this topic, but I think there should be an organized corpus of Pepe and Wojak lore, an epic that could render apparent the implied cosmology and mythology of their and other meme characters' sagas so as to be analyze-able. So here my call, we should embark on this work of collective myth gathering and "self-ethnography", as it seems nobody has done it yet.

Anonymous Sat Jul 7 13:20:22 2018 No.11426145

>>11426097
Shitposters as a collective have unintentionally created the mythos of malleable/adaptable figures like Wojak, Pepe, Apu, etc. They themselves are representative of a larger Idea/Form, but the means to express that is left to the shitposter and his MSPaint skill.
I think the appeal of these figures is that they LACK an organized body, it doesn’t require a Great Author or academic to create the mythos, it’s open source, the stories of Pepe and Wojak can be created by anyone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 13:25:53 2018 No.11426173 >>11426145 Ok, then we should build a place to store and collect them, where anybody could consult them

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 16:16:59 2018 No.11426791 >>11416821 holy shit buck mulligan is totally a fat fucking pepe

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 16:21:07 2018 No.11426801 >>11416529 Pepe and Wojak is just Daffy and Bugs

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 16:27:21 2018 No.11426826 >>11422050 Psychoanalytic criticism is cancer, please don't post again

Anonymous Sat Jul 7 16:44:19 2018 No.11426874
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>>11420703
Gondola is an enternal observer. He can't interact with the world around him, as he has no hads, but merely walk it and watch. That's why he's obscure, he represents our own place in the meme and we have to place ourselves in his own deformity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 16:46:55 2018 No.11426878 >>11422152 Why not name them as what they are? They bring a wealth of meanings with their history.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 17:00:46 2018 No.11426926 >>11418470 >>11418499 >>11418494 YO!!!!!! watap my fellow iFunny veterans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 17:04:26 2018 No.11426934 >>11422050 >Psychoanalysis Neck yourself pseud

Anonymous Sat Jul 7 17:41:36 2018 No.11427056

>>11423928
Good summary.
I feel like I have both smug absurd pepe and overthinking asburger wojak both living inside me. I wish I was more psychotic, outgoing and carefree instead of the now dominant loner wojak.
I think Sam Hyde's meme-personality is pretty much what happens if the smug psycho pepe side takes over completely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 19:34:35 2018 No.11427402 >>11420678 delet this

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 20:18:02 2018 No.11427521 File: 826 KB, 696x478, 1512583593476.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11416529 I wanted some light reading recommendations from this thread, not this feel

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 7 20:30:38 2018 No.11427547 I really, really enjoy this type of threads, Lori.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 00:38:08 2018 No.11428283 cat and fish from cat in the hat

Anonymous Sun Jul 8 01:36:52 2018 No.11428458

I wonder if memes are a reaction to the increasing specificity of technological society in that, as we see from this replies here there are several perfectly coherent ways of interpreting them. You could also say this about stuff like music or art in general but memes allow this ambiguity to be translated into an actual language of sorts.

Perhaps this will be the 21st century tower of babel, where eventually most social communication takes place through memes but these same memes have a radically different syntax between subcultures so you get people talking past each other.

Anonymous Sun Jul 8 02:17:49 2018 No.11428557
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>>11428458
Communication technology is responsible for this but rather than just a language of symbols it seems to be a new post-national folk culture of which creators a more numerous than ever before and therefore the development is more rapid. unlike traditional folk cultures (which are already dead in the west) the participants are not in anyone place and only engage with each other over the internet, more or less a mental realm.
Until recently it was very shallow, just in jokes which multiply by integrating references to the outside world (OC which repaints pepe as a pop culture character etc) but in the latest developments you can begin to see an emergent mythology which reveals truths about the authors and rationalizes earlier memes. I think this justifies the view of all this a genuine neo-folk culture, more to your point people even in the same house hold will inevitably talk past each other because very soon people will belong to meaningful different cultures which are not bound to space. although you could speculate that greater part of humanity will belong to facebook and its doubtful they will develop meaning themselves rather than facebook algorithms determining it for them

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 02:23:08 2018 No.11428575 >>11426173 4chans transient nature gives is the key to rapid fire actualization, ON RAM MEMEING

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 02:32:57 2018 No.11428596 >>11425277 God Punpun was so fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 02:57:57 2018 No.11428658 I'm literally writing a novel on this. 40000 words in, part 1 is nearly done. Stay tuned

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 03:04:28 2018 No.11428667 >>11428557 well shit, why did I choose to become part of a neo-folk culture that's 95% male. Should've got into ariana grande memes, maybe I'd have something to do at 3am on a saturday night

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 03:07:59 2018 No.11428677 File: 70 KB, 559x836, tointelligent2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11425027 Woah, that really speaks to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 03:10:54 2018 No.11428682 File: 969 KB, 800x594, 825065422624083529.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11428667 >>11428677 ariana grande culture will be permanently traumatized because of the jihotties

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 03:14:11 2018 No.11428693 >>11425066 >listening to Kant audiobooks I had like 0% comprehension when I couldn't read it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 03:18:42 2018 No.11428707 >>11420640 We are talking about a genealogy of ideas here. There is a core idea in Wojak that is transformed in a certain way by the emergence of the 30 year old boomer. Same for the pepe - apu dynamic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 03:31:46 2018 No.11428747 Excelllent thread. That's why I love /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 04:15:43 2018 No.11428816 >>11422050 >Wojak/Pepe reflect the Freudian LOL DIDNT READ LOL

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 04:22:38 2018 No.11428823 File: 1.63 MB, 1200x1200, 43546tuyiu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11428693 >That 30yr old boomer who doesn't understand 30yr boomer posting

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 08:01:20 2018 No.11429228 File: 108 KB, 1280x720, dWjg5wl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11416529

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 08:10:56 2018 No.11429251 whenever i think of pepe i think of the fox in the film antichrist that says 'chaos reigns'

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 08:11:41 2018 No.11429254 >>11429228 Devilman crybaby and also to a lesser extent berserk

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 08:30:15 2018 No.11429300 >>11429228 Someone needs to make an image of these two as Wojak and Pepe In addition to having the perfect reflections of their personalities, they already physically resemble them as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 08:37:34 2018 No.11429320 > no one studies why Pepe is depicted receiving good boy points, and female Wojak is depicted receiving pretty princess points As usual!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 08:42:23 2018 No.11429340 >>11429228 Perfect.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 08:43:35 2018 No.11429343 >>11426874 Interesting. To me, Gondola has the most untapped potential.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 08:59:57 2018 No.11429391 File: 119 KB, 461x807, V3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11418470 Too energetic, Disney-like. Do not approve.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 11:33:49 2018 No.11429869 >>11424812 as am I ;-;

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 16:58:12 2018 No.11431406 >>11429391 Is that Ren & Stimpy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 17:00:50 2018 No.11431419 Grendel.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 17:40:24 2018 No.11431668 >>11419880 Same here.

Anonymous Sun Jul 8 17:52:27 2018 No.11431764

>>11423074
Pedobear: Edgy teenage humor, trying to push boundaries by juxtaposing childish imagery with sexual violence.

Spurdo: Absurd young adult humor, all memes are meaningless regardless of taboo content, a poor drawing of pedobear's face accompanied by pseudo-finnish gibberish is just as shocking as the original meme (not at all).

Gondola: Middle aged contemplation. Serious thoughts of mortality appear, and a more contemplative passive humor appears, simply observing the world for what it is, not trying to shock it or deconstruct it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 18:05:42 2018 No.11431829 >>11416529 Geralt and Dandelion in the Witcher books

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 18:06:43 2018 No.11431837 >>11426826 >>11426934 >>11428816 I'm satisfied I triggered you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 19:46:22 2018 No.11432456 >>11431406 No, it's Wonnie and Pglt.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 20:13:20 2018 No.11432581 >>11419880 It's nearly 9 years old

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 20:15:18 2018 No.11432595 >>11416529 Achilles and the turtle?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 20:18:59 2018 No.11432603 File: 130 KB, 625x527, 7EFCFB6C-DB18-4E74-ABF7-FEE3B30D0BB4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT retarded electionbabies

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 20:21:55 2018 No.11432618 >>11426173 Perhaps a network of interconnected devices that anyone could access. That exists world wide. We could call it the world wide net....wait a minute.

Anonymous Sun Jul 8 20:27:57 2018 No.11432648

>>11432603
>fagnon unironically reeeeing
But seriously i dont understand that image. Its like some guy spent five minutes on the internet and went "nothing of value happens here" and "everyone here is doing nothing, unlike me with my shitty 9 to 5 and my literally tens of social connections"

The world is evolving boomer. Come along or stay the fuck out of our way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 22:33:55 2018 No.11433214 >>11432603 >wall of text intending to lead the viewer rather than allowing him to come to his own conclusion Sasuga.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 22:44:02 2018 No.11433245 >>11432603 You realize the kek thing is a joke, right? How clueless do you have to be to make a picture like that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 22:53:13 2018 No.11433263 >>11433245 >anon assumes his personal experience of a phenomenon is true for every single person who experienced the same phenomenon

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 22:54:12 2018 No.11433267 >>11433263 If you think that anyone actually believes that shit and it isn't an elaborate in-joke, you're retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 22:55:40 2018 No.11433271 >>11433267 wheres the thread where every single kek poster sat down and agreed that it was all an in-joke? do you think you can read other 4chan users minds?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 23:03:21 2018 No.11433281 >>11433245 It is certainly not. It's a collective thoughtform god that gained power and was then tarnished by the wider internet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 8 23:37:11 2018 No.11433379 >>11433271 Wow, so you really take that shit seriously lmfao I guess we got a live one folks, he's blatantly admitting it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 07:04:07 2018 No.11434641 >>11423233 Foul bachelor frog

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 07:12:39 2018 No.11434664 File: 236 KB, 880x1184, Vian-et-le-Major1-copie-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The major in Vian's novellas ticks most boxes for the smug pepe.

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 08:20:10 2018 No.11434856

>>11428557
>people even in the same house hold will inevitably talk past each other because very soon people will belong to meaningful different cultures which are not bound to space
It is already so. I never realized it till I read your post, though. Blew my mind

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 08:35:38 2018 No.11434894 >>11426801 roadrunner and wily e coyote imo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 08:38:46 2018 No.11434905 >>11418316 >the white cartoon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 10:04:07 2018 No.11435234 Raskolnikov and Svidrigailov was almost like this but Svidrigailov didn't go hard enough

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 12:27:47 2018 No.11435843 File: 88 KB, 1200x676, 1529977211147.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11425027 Boomer helped Apu become a man and got happy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 12:28:56 2018 No.11435847 >>11428557 judging by this we are all being conditioned into a culturally mediated 4chan meme reality

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 12:29:42 2018 No.11435848 File: 54 KB, 720x720, 1530924240648.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11435843 And that sly uncle that comes every Easter week to visit and entertain the kids.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 12:40:51 2018 No.11435897 >>11435848 harold bloom??

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 12:55:35 2018 No.11435953 >>11416529 Pepe: Cynicism Wojak: Existentialism Gondola: Taoism

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:32:50 2018 No.11436120 >>11418470 this is actually funny post more

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:43:12 2018 No.11436180 >>11429391 that "blyat" on the last panel made me lose my shit

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:55:45 2018 No.11436256

>>11416529
Have anyone ever thought about the difference between the memes in 4chan and ouside of it ("normie memes")?

I feel like outside of here the memes are all like a joke, something that is funny and that's just it. While in 4chan they usually serve one of the two points:
1) express a feeling (the way Wojack/Pepe is used)
2) cause shock or confusion

The reason why Wojack/Pepe is so universal here but not anywhere else is that it expresses feelings that we all have in common in some degree but that at the same time we are not willing to share anywhere else. Whenever I see Pepe/Wojack outside of here it seems totally out of place and used or shared in a way that shows a total lack of understanding of what they represent. The ones that reach me through "normie channels" are usually very light hearted versions of it, that feel way more like "ayy lmao i'm sad" normie memes.
Wojack is not a comfortable feeling, it's not a feeling we are usually willing to admit in public or to people that are not going to understand it. And yet here we find virtually only people that share it.

Outside memes are meant to be cool. They are the online parallel of the social behaviours we all hate. Irl people dress a certain way, have certain tastes, have the same conversations always on the same topics, all to fit in a group. Wojack represents the anxiety we all feel for not being part of that world and the alienation we feel from it being so pervasive. But unlike >>11423928 described, I don't think Wojack is born from the desire of acceptance. That is a world we feel disgusted at, we don't want their shallow conversations, we don't want their set of tastes that lacks any glimpse of personality, we don't want to fit in through a dress code. What we want is the happiness, peace of mind and connection to other people they seem to have while doing that, Wojack is born from the frustration of not obtaining that in real life.

We come here for what is happening in this thread right now. We think about something interesting in our own personal way and want to share it. And we want the people who we are sharing that with to do the same. We want them to challenge our thoughts, we want them to build upon them, we want them to offer different well thought and honest perspectives. That's what motivate us. And yet in real life we seem to never get that honesty, cause that's in the opposite direction of what fitting in is about.

We come here because we want to discuss a book in that way. Yet, in real life, the only opinions you are going to get are those direct from textbooks or media. And when you try to give your own opinion nobody knows what to do with it, because they don't know how they are supposed to think of it, cause it's not the textbook one. Hence the frustration, hence Wojack. And then someone comes with a shower of commonplace everybody-has-heard-that opinions and you see people praising them. Hence the hate, hence Pepe.

(1/?)

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:56:50 2018 No.11436260

>>11436256
See, you read IJ and come here to talk about it. There are gonna be people who are gonna claim it changed their lives, there are people who are gonna say they like it a bit, there are gonna be people who are gonna say it's a meme. Some of those people are gonna put some effort in explaining why. And you are gonna get different (and honest) perspectives. In real life, you are just gonna hear the "it's good because the New Yorker praised it" sort of opinion.

It's the same with writing. We want to write from the heart, we want to convey our feelings, or our perceptions of the world, we want to do it in a way that is real and we want to express somenthing inside of us that we feel like hasn't been expressed yet. We wanna try new ways of writing, we want to experiment with language to convey better what we mean, we want to do wordplay and prose in a way that has your own voice and style while being beautiful and giving yourself and other people the feeling you got when you first read Nabokov. And we need people who feel the same way about it to offer criticism. Because if you are doing it like that you are for sure gonna be feeling like a hack all that time, unaware if you are achieving what you want or not. And it's from criticism from like minded people that you trust that you are gonna get motivation, validation and growth. Yet, in real life every writing circle is a joke. Everybody wants to feel good about their writing and are gonna use just writing 101 formulas. And everybody is gonna do writing 101 criticism. And nobody is gonna be able to criticize well what you are doing, because nobody knows how to react to the new thing you are doing. Their advice is based on "does this fit the common sense?" while what you want is "does this express well what I'm trying to?", "does this feel honest?". They write basically to feel good about people liking it, out of love of fitting in. You write out of alienation from that.

And talking about memes from 4chan used outside again, the only one that usually feels in context (and which is seen more I guess) is Pepe alone. And it's usually when he is used by someone being his Pepe side towards the outside world.

Someone mentioned Sam Hyde above in this thread. His persona is the embodiment of the "shock and confusion" memes. I sort of hate the guy because from what I get his political views are the exact opposite of mine. Yet I think he is a genius and I enjoy watching him very much. His TED talk is amazing. He basically does to the audience what 4chan always do to the external world, but irl. The best part is watching how the audience is all puzzled and trying to make sense of it. Some laugh because they are nervous, some laugh because they think they are supposed to. They are trying to make sense all the time if what he's saying is serious or not and if they are the ones being joked upon or not.

(2/?)

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:57:53 2018 No.11436266

>>11436260
That is essentialy the 4chan notion of "trolling". "Trolling" to outside world is basically a cool synonym for "prank". The 4chan notion is more akin to spreading chaos and watching people run around in confusion. 4chan messes a lot with the very things normies take information from to fit in a group. Good examples of this are making false information reach reliable media channels or even collectively liking something ironically so people don't know if it's good or bad anymore. It's also interesting to notice that the "trollface" completely vanished from 4chan as soon as it got apropriated by normies for the notion of "prank haha".

I saw a thread about 4chan on reddit a few days ago (specially about /pol/) with a huuge amount of replies trying to explain what 4chan is, how people that use it are like and what their motivations are to do what they do. It's amazing how virtually none of those people get it. The only comment that was reasonable was saying that to begin to understand it, you have to realize that /pol/'s only agenda is actually "for the lulz". And that if 4chan as a collective was a supervillain, it would be the Joker. It just wants to watch the world burn.

Everyone I know that likes 4chan gets it instantly. And I think it's because it's culture is based on a feeling that everyone here shares, which is pretty much the Wojack/Pepe feeling. It doesn't matter if you fit better on boards that the Wojack side is more present (like /lit/) or the ones where the Pepe side is more visible (like /pol/ and /r9k/). One doesn't exist without the other, we all have them at some level, we all get what's happening pretty much everywhere here. On the other hand, every normie I know has at some point opened 4chan to see what it is about. The common reaction seems to be one of total confusion and "wtf is going on I don't get it".

And lastly, talking about the Boomer meme, I don't think it's a natural progression from Wojack, but just an ideal. I don't think we are ever gonna stop experiencing the alienation and frustration we do. We may come to terms with it as we grow older, we may be more chill about it and be very close to the Boomer, but Wojack and Pepe will always be there. (Some might just give in almost totally to Pepe tbqh).

The thing about the Boomer is that he's overcome Wojack, he's doing his own thing alone and found that peace of mind that we all want without the need for other people. That's why it feels so serene and sad and beautiful at the same time. He achieved what we all want and are never gonna get fully. And without Wojack Pepe can't exist anymore, because once you have that peace of mind your reason to be hateful towards the normies is gone, same with your reason to hate yourself.

(3/4)

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:58:54 2018 No.11436276

>>11436266
And the reason why "boomer" is used as a playful insult (or a playful derogatory way of referring to oneself) is because deep inside we are afraid of becoming him. We understand why he is happy and we find that beautiful, but given the option, we would any day overcome Wojack by connecting to other like minded people in the ways we consider meaningful. As much as the boomer seems like a blissful ideal, it's still not what we want. If we didn't want that connection, we would all already be the Boomer.

(4/4)

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:00:39 2018 No.11436282

>>11436256
maybe you don,t remember when you first came to 4chan, but outsiders quite literally can't understand the culture here at first. Not due to anything about them in particular just because the mode of discourse and set of assumptions is extremely particular and you have to absorb it by osmosis before you start to understand why people are talking the way they are.

lit is one of the boards on which this is the least true, because a lot of people here just affect the academic form of discourse

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:02:04 2018 No.11436289

>>11416529
Also, I don't know any books unfortunately, but since a lot of people mentioned other medias, Wilfred is pretty much Wojack/Pepe - the TV Show.

It's not the ultimate work of art but it's a very good show, if you ever wanna watch something give it a try.

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:08:04 2018 No.11436309

>>11436282
I think you are right if you think about very specific lingo (like kek, dubs, etc) or reference to past events (like saying JAHOOKIE here).
But those are not the parts concerned to "what it is about".
I think the memes that express feelings, the jokes, the "why people are doing or saying this" are gotten within minutes if you are the 4chan type.

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:10:51 2018 No.11436329

>>11436309
i was a normie when i came here, like full normie, and i genuinely did not understand what people were doing, it was a mystery to me.

i have the '4chan type' inside of me, it was drawn out through years of being here, but my outward personality was the normie, and it was beyond perplexing trying to talk to people here. Nothing i said would get the proper response.

I dont think i even knew how to introspect before I came here, everything i did was just for social effect and i didnt even realize it was a mask

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:12:06 2018 No.11436335 >>11436329 There are days I wonder if this is one of the few genuinely authentic places on the entire internet.

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:15:35 2018 No.11436358

>>11436335
i think its possible that normies can just be genuine with each other in their normie ways. Maybe we just have weird shit latent in us that we have to repress in normal society or be ostracized

Like do normal people realize that the things theyre saying are ludicrous or are they in denial about it, i honestly dont know, and i dont poke them about it, because you dont make any friends doing that.

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Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:22:29 2018 No.11436413

Pretty much Tschick by Wolfgang Herrendorf. It's a road-novel about some boring kid with rich parents who finds himself not invited to a party of the girl he is in love with and teams up with the weird alcoholic russian loner from his class to make a trip through Germany with a stolen car. Even though it sounds pretty clichee and might be considered as pop-literature it's great and already considered a classic in germany. The english title is "Why we took the car" and the cover looks absolutely terrible but that shouldn't matter. Also it's a fun and light read while not missing depth and even having quite kafka-esque moments at times, at other times it reminds one of romanticist literature.
Would recommend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:23:03 2018 No.11436417 >>11436413 >cover looks absolutely terrible but that shouldn't matter it matters

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:23:25 2018 No.11436419 >>11435848 >>11435897 >Tolkien

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:25:23 2018 No.11436434

>>11436358
4chan is another outlet for conflict like normies have sports or some political success

I love creating an offtopic shitpost thread that gets 200+ replies and then devolves into existential "why are we talking about this? This is a horrible thread". It feels better than any goal I scored in varsity soccer. Even typical high-conflict 4chan conversation allows for social power to be removed, and socially ostracized people have far funnier/more extreme insults.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:26:00 2018 No.11436439 File: 23 KB, 306x499, 41Bq3KkDGuL._SX304_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11436417 Only the english one looks shit, it's not the authors fault or anything. The german cover is alright.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:49:06 2018 No.11436524 >>11423074 Gondola is an observer. A pure and intense representation of a 'feel'. A good Gondola does not need much, just a scene. Perhaps it is art.

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:50:28 2018 No.11436532

>>11436329
>everything i did was just for social effect and i didnt even realize it was a mask
did you ever feel like "something was missing" though? like, any anxiety about being able to not use that mask at all? (even if you didn't understand what it was)

>>11436335
for me, it's the only one I know of

>>11436358
>i dont poke them about it
I used to, a lot. Nowadays that doesn't even bother me and if they are happy doing that let them be.
I guess I grew up regarding that

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:54:36 2018 No.11436554

>>11429343
>>11426874
>>11420703
You all have no idea how alive Gondola is as a meme. Gondola is not only the most active, but pure meme on the internet. It has not changed, but in every separate image it still manages to be unique. You should all check out the /wsg/ Gondola generals.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1531162414464.webm

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 15:10:54 2018 No.11436627 Boomer wojack will be gone in a month and does not deserve a place in the pantheon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 15:22:34 2018 No.11436679 >>11436627 Agreed. He is a footnote, not a saga.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 15:23:22 2018 No.11436685 File: 155 KB, 649x465, Voomer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11436627 >>11436679 He's immortal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 15:26:00 2018 No.11436704 >>11436685 He is a spawn on the pink/grugjak. A /tv/ adaptation of a /biz/ meme

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 15:42:50 2018 No.11436788 >>11436554 Music kind of reminds me of Nils Frahm.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 15:48:23 2018 No.11436831 >>11416529 Othello

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 16:19:56 2018 No.11436996 Why are so many memes just offshoots of Wojak? Pink wojak, brainlet, tfw to smart, boomer etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 16:26:20 2018 No.11437032 >>11436996 if it ain't broke don't fix it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 16:26:50 2018 No.11437036 File: 41 KB, 640x480, wojak.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11436996 Because he lives

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 16:42:07 2018 No.11437098 >>11416611 Lord Henry is basically 4chan: >moral-less >flaming contrarian >smug >NEET >possibly homosexual Although he has charm, friends and a wife.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 17:07:49 2018 No.11437211 File: 566 KB, 2527x1440, 1530570617412.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw this thread /comfy/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 17:13:34 2018 No.11437236 >>11437211 sip

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 19:12:12 2018 No.11437723

>>11436329
That's really fascinating and I'd love for you to elaborate on how/why you found and got involved in 4chan. If you were a normie, why did you bother sticking around?
>Nothing i said would get the proper response.
This is my favorite part. I don't want to be too insulting, but it almost seems like you were just running a 'social algorithm' or something and 4chan just completely breaks that if you try to treat it like the real world. I think that would explain why normies are so disgusted and confused by 4chan, while introverts (or whatever we are) find it refreshing and rewarding. They're used to getting dopamine hits from acting like everyone else and saying the 'right things' and they try that here and it doesn't generate the same results they're used to, and in most cases get negative reactions instead of positive. And instead of realizing it's a fundamental mode shift they could adapt themselves to if they want, they just think "It's just a dumb website of people who will yell at me" and disregard it because it "doesn't matter".

I think there's something to be said for those of us who manage to navigate both 4chan and the real world, you almost have to run two separate perspectives at once. I think maybe that's why actually new and unique ideas show up here more than I seem to find them anywhere else. I know it gives me a dimensionality I enjoy in my life, even though everyone here mostly thinks 4chan is a waste of time and wishes they could leave.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 19:13:06 2018 No.11437726 >>11429254 >devilman which is which? ryo is pepe?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 19:16:19 2018 No.11437731 >>11437211 psshhhhhhh siiip aaaaaahhh

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 20:09:13 2018 No.11437973
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>>11423233
its important to remember there was also an 'angry' variant of wojak but his anger is more internalized, he's clearly "holding it in" in the picture rather than externalizing like pepe (who is pictured either screaming out loud or clutching a gun)

smug wojak existed as well, though never gained much traction and was generally only smug alongside a smug pepe (either in the picture itself or posted alongside him in the same thread), its more as if he was allowed sometimes to join in with pepes smugness but never to be smug at pepe's expense in the same way pepe could be smug at his misfortunes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 20:19:38 2018 No.11438000 >>11436256 >>11436260 >>11436266 >>11436276 good posts

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 02:25:06 2018 No.11439145 Quality thread with quality posts

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 02:56:01 2018 No.11439201 >>11432603 this pic is outstanding and and it represents and summarizes one of the reasons why i love this place

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 03:01:06 2018 No.11439211 >>11420678 This hurts more than it should.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 03:01:35 2018 No.11439214 >>11436256 normies memes are social tools strengthening bounds the same way other social tools do

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 03:03:32 2018 No.11439217 >>11436282 >just affect What is this verb usage???

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 04:54:49 2018 No.11439408

>>11437723
>while introverts (or whatever we are) find it refreshing and rewarding.
Very much so. Plus I find normies take themselves too seriously. The main thing that is perpetual across board is the ability to laugh at events and comments that aren't appropriate in real life. There is plenty of tragedy in life but I think most people here aren't overly emotional and want to cry and would rather laugh at the absurdity of events.
>>11436627
>>11436685
Boomer drinking monster is fully cemented into /biz/ and /fit/. He's not going away anytime soon.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 06:13:47 2018 No.11439551
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So much overexplanation ITT and self-identified ex-normies bonding over their 4chan epiphany I am tempted to dig up a cringe collection MEME IMAGE to post here guys

Everyone
- using "we" to refer to the population of 4chan posters
- describing himself as an "introvert"
- writing a book with meme figures as characters
has completely missed the point of the whole world I AM SORRY TO SAY and should fuck off back to ribbit WELL you guys already know the way out

>>11426097
>>11426173
>>11436256
>>11436260
>>11436260
>>11421961
>>11436260
>>11436358
>>11436434
>>11437723
>>11439408
fags

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 06:50:57 2018 No.11439635 File: 171 KB, 825x712, 1448682737403.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11439551 It is an ethnographic interest you fagback

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 07:24:02 2018 No.11439738

I am going to write a faggot post as well, since 4chan is mostly done for in any case. As done for as the Marry Pranksters are at the end of Tom Wolfe’s Electric Cool-Aid Acid Test. There is no transgressive energy left. The defining element has been co-opted by mainstream society and smoothed out.
As the old druge addicts prided themselves in still consuming Mescaline when Ecstasy had made it into every discotheque on the planet, now we have people on 4chan priding themselves in their Wojaks and Pepes while facebook is flooded by conglomerate associated memes like Minions.

But 4chan posters used to think of themselves as scum. They knew normal people were outside and having fun. Now everyone is a dumb phoneposter just the same, whether they prefer instagram or /mu/.

You fucks are priding yourselves in "collecting" memes and drawing up genealogies and whatnot.
You know how the meme thing used to be? Someone would open a thread on /b/ with a stupid OP image and after some hours there’d be like 50-100 shops in there, most of them horrible, but in any case it was pure creative impetus there from most participants on their eMule’d pirate photoshop version and after four days and two more threads the thing’d be forever forgotten and new pictures be shooped.
Remember when /b/ was good?

The feud with ebaumsworld made sense because people actually tried to fuck that site over somehow and genuinely hated it -- how couldn’t they, as it was making money off their content?
The rivalry with reddit nowadays does not make sense, because it establishes a mindset which is actually just the same across both sites: WE are the cool ones, and THEY are somehow weird.
You may feel that way for all I care, but repeating the notion endlessly attracts exactly the kind of people that are shit and have always been shit, further solidifying said mindset, because those idiots will use at least half of their posts on self-adulation.
They will also never post anything original, because they don’t want to be themselves, they want to be just like all those other cool people whose hiding place they were finally able to locate.

>>11439635
Surely we’ve had valuable ethnographic insights in the past, like lulz being a corruption of lol and such, so by all means I hope netflix will put you in charge of creating a valuable two hour documentary on this fascinating topic in some few years, so you’ll also be able to tell anyone how "being a 4channer" not only instilled you with so much insight into the human condition but also handed you YOUR topic to talk and teach about, "all the pepes and wojaks, I am telling you, they may seem silly, but they are really very deep, I really think studying them today can tell us more about our time than studying the Brothers Karamazov for example lol."

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 07:53:58 2018 No.11439813 File: 81 KB, 1083x588, 15155502039449.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11436266 >That's why it feels so serene and sad and beautiful at the same time. stupid dumb happy boomer..

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 07:56:54 2018 No.11439821 >>11436329 >Nothing i said would get the proper response. It's funny how you can still catch people like that.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 08:47:07 2018 No.11439924
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>>11439738
Find peace. Nobody wants to make a mediocre internet series out of some 4chans shitty memes, but if you think our use of pepe and wojak has nothing to say about ourselves and they can't be used for different and/or more organized ways of amusement you're a bit too jelous. People can express and fully be themselves in new fashion, just as you said they were doing during /b/'s golden age. Of course it's not brothers karamazov, what's your point? Nobody brought it up but you.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 09:02:06 2018 No.11439948

>>11439738
>being "was all fields round here" about fucking 4chan

Literally nothing more pathetic. 4chan is a pit and it has always been a pit and it always will be a pit because society needs its pits to store all of its detritus and wash-outs. And deep within our pit a culture was formed, indistinct and chaotic yet just as restrictive in its way as the society in which we fell from. If you don't think that that culture deserves any form of analysis or study then you (and for the first time, I mean this genuinely) seriously need to fuck off back to plebbit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 09:24:29 2018 No.11440001 File: 11 KB, 225x225, 1524335593485.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11439738 i hope your mother dies tonight

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 09:33:38 2018 No.11440020 >>11439948 based

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 10:43:24 2018 No.11440239

>>11439924
This bait is too obvious.

>>11439948
>deserves any form of analysis or study
Yeah, sure, aiming analysis and study at a something is the most surefire way to exhaust it. In that sense please continue your studies senpai, so we can get this over with.

>>11439821
The irony is now, if you look at this thread, everything is getting a proper response. It’s a good old circle-jerk.
But sure, this is just an exception warranted by the immense importance of analysing "our own culture" so we can "meme" all the more self-righteous in those other threads where "we really are ourselves" complete with improper responses and such, as is customary in this wonderful place. *holds up spork*

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 10:56:14 2018 No.11440293 File: 86 KB, 640x480, lubnin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11436180 This one is for you.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 12:30:37 2018 No.11440668

>>11440239
>Self-examination is only valid when it validates my nihilistic worldview
Congrats on proving my point. Your refusal to not take anything seriously proves that you're preaching 4chan's worldview as completely valid even more than the posts you're criticizing.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 14:56:58 2018 No.11441300
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>>11439738
>4chan is kill

As long as there is no better social media site with freedom of speech good OC will always emerge on 4chan and it will not die.
I don't think, that the
>WE are the cool ones
hivemind mentality is killing 4chan.
Currently there is still slight censorship, everybody can post as Anonymous and if deemed necessary new boards will be created. In case of a happening go to 4chan (or twitter). That is the basic formula.
By the way I thought that Trump winning would be the end.
There was a prophecy, that 4chan would not survice the big cyberwar in 2020.
In fact I thought this place to be rather dead in the second half of 2017. Most threads on the biggest boards, /b/ and /pol/ were created and filled by bots. YLYL has been filled with bananas. /tv/ filled with celeb shit. Many boards like /fa/, /out/, /g/ were boring and filled with stupid
>should I buy this shit
threads which had a lower level of purchase advices than typical forums.
4chan memes appeared everywhere and many memes like cuck went mainstream, brought into it by 4chan users, using it the way they would use it here. Kind of too much 'winning'.
Much of the worsening has started before Donald Trump but with him being president 4chan became omnipresent.

Weebshit, anime and manga have gotten less and less popular. I guess that this goes for many newfags, who came here from /r/the_donald but my personal interest in japanese cartoons or most japanese things has faded as well after having read and watched a lot. That is probably true for other people here, since I see few anime pictures in most threads.
There are more people coming here for non-japanese shit than anime.
They don't seem to have a connection to anime and most have no greater interest in it. Which is a bit surprising, since it seems to me, that animu has gotten very popular among all people below 25.

Today many boards are still shit and I remember the times fondly when /tv/ had more posts about obscure arthouse movies from Europe and Japan than celeb shit about star wars actors.
I expected some tor forums to be the successors of 4chan but a lot of forums in the darknet are shut down and 4chan is somehow still alive.
Yet Pepe and Wojak are still alive and kicking and I have rarely seen the banana in YLYL threads for some time now.
/lit/ hasn't changed a lot in the last 5 years and it is not dependant on the spiritual energy of 4chan.org since its content is rather fueled by youtube, goodreads, lits top-100 list, university courses and of course /pol/.
That goes for many boards which are just proper comment sections for sites like twitter, liveleak or youtube which don't offer the same freedom.
At some point 4chan is kill, but not now. We haven't reached the top yet.

Unique visitors per month: 27,700,000
Posts per day: 900,000-1,000,000

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 16:04:31 2018 No.11441552 File: 333 KB, 835x773, 1531200056674.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11439738 At last a true 30yr old boomer appears

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 18:07:16 2018 No.11441999 >>11429391 This looks advanced. Can anyone translate?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 18:08:32 2018 No.11442006 >>11434905 >nice toon bro

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 18:52:28 2018 No.11442162

>>11441999
Russian cartoon remake of Winnie-the-Pooh®™ doesn't have Christopher Robin. Other than that, it's just a first story with additional songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G_fYgW5Tys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eXc0aA_2gs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApfKv8Kx4oI
(I'm not sure if any of these is region-locked, but assume they should be.)

(Winnie-the-Pooh belongs to Disney. Disney belongs to Satan. All other trademarks are properties of their respected owners.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 18:54:30 2018 No.11442168 >>11416529 Tatami Galaxy (the book)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 19:06:26 2018 No.11442208 It all seems fine until the 30 year old boomer sits down in his lazy boy one sunday, removes his glasses, and it all comes rushing back.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 19:15:59 2018 No.11442237

No one remembers the timeline of wojak and pepe comics where it appears pepe is playing a trick on wojak but it turns out to be nothing and they are close friends just having fun together? I think it mostly was on /r9k/ shortly after the spurt of peepeepoopoo whatever versions where popular. It switched from gretesque to innocence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 20:52:29 2018 No.11442546 File: 14 KB, 249x249, 1526523551136.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What do you make of he cute pepe?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 20:57:05 2018 No.11442568 File: 436 KB, 1023x743, 1459466210259.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11441300 anime isn't as popular because /a/ only has threads about currently airing shows now and 99% of new anime is shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 21:24:08 2018 No.11442648 >>11416529 novel but philosophy on the dualism. It was common prior to Nietzsche but this good: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ldj0RX3CqXA

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 21:25:22 2018 No.11442651 steppenwolf

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 22:58:23 2018 No.11442950 >>11435953 wtf i love gondola now

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 23:08:23 2018 No.11442993

>>11440239
i'm finding myself agreeing with you.

to the others, do you not recognize the irony in claiming 4chan 'culture' revolves around its unorthodox brashness, while at the same time engaging in a comfy circle jerk of socially calibrated and 'pleasant' responses to each other?

fags

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 23:13:16 2018 No.11443011 >>11439738 >As the old druge addicts prided themselves in still consuming Mescaline when Ecstasy had made it into every discotheque on the planet yeah, and those people sound chill as fuck.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 23:18:17 2018 No.11443030

>>11439738
I get the feeling from this post that you think of yourself as some sort of old, grizzled, internet veteran of an older 4chan. And it's actually very hard for me to think of something more pathetic. veterans of the trenches of WW1, hardened prisoners talking about their time served and lessons of survival behind bars, child abuse victims, field hands roughened by pesticides and hard labor, and finally anon, a veteran of an older 4chan

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 23:40:57 2018 No.11443126 >>11443030 It's not that hard to realize that years of solitary confinement in an internet-connected cell might leave a mark, and that, on the contrary, many people in prisons consider them their comfortable home that is not scary at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 23:48:16 2018 No.11443155 >>11417335 yeah

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 00:45:18 2018 No.11443337

>>11442237

I remember it...the two I have are one of Pepe making hot cocoa for Wojak without it turning out to be shit, most notable for the "Bless this Mess" sign in Pepe's kitchen. Then the other is Pepe showing up at Wojak's parents' house in the winter to apologize for being a jerk and gifting him a bunch of weed for them to smoke together.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 01:01:02 2018 No.11443366 I never realised how much of an internet meme I was. I am Wojak. Kill me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 02:21:31 2018 No.11443563 >>11443366 Wojak was created to be relatable tho

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 02:25:55 2018 No.11443574 File: 280 KB, 660x436, 32DFD25BABDB4779B6493E42B20427EB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] JUST

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 02:51:46 2018 No.11443622 File: 174 KB, 1550x749, genealogy-pepe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11416529 I suppose kafkaesque would be the sort of term to search for. But consider also Heracles and Hera.

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 02:59:03 2018 No.11443634
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>>11436627
He serves an essential if minor role.

Wojak is the distant ancestor of Grug and Pretty Princess is his cousin. Wojak and Pretty Princess met while trying online dating but soon discovered they were closely related. Wojak and Pretty Princess still keep in touch on IRC though. Just recently Wojak's life has been complicated by Grug who just recently was unfrozen from a block of ice. Grug is determined to make Wojak reform from his berry picking ways.

Wojak's father is a 30-year-old-boomer.

Possibly, Grug is immortal and has secretly been a great many philosophers over the years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 03:04:45 2018 No.11443643 >>11436524 Gondola is the all-pervasive, ever present music that travels through the contexts of importance and truth. Gondola is our desire to not touch the holy, but to venerate it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 03:36:32 2018 No.11443707 >>11443634 >wojak's onlyv real shot at love is incest Something about that feels so oddly appropriate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 04:16:07 2018 No.11443812 File: 60 KB, 500x374, 1513572800849.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11443574 This is probably my favorite wojak of all time

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 04:34:05 2018 No.11443860 >>11443337 Can you post em? >>11443634 >>11443707 I have a feeling like Wojak and pretty princess are having sex as well

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 04:38:18 2018 No.11443869
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Regarding Pepe and Wojak's lore, an interesting twist is pic related. Pepe always acts like a dragon tormenting Wojak but the latter has to stand up and fight back every once in a while, to keep the balance.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 05:02:01 2018 No.11443904 File: 561 KB, 1000x1000, brett.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11443622 his name is brett :'(

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 05:46:01 2018 No.11443982 File: 220 KB, 1400x1400, 1519248065500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11416529 New thread when?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 06:41:13 2018 No.11444086 >>11443563 To losers, let's be honest. It hurts. Apu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 06:48:18 2018 No.11444110 >>11443563 >>11444086 Every meme is relatable. imho wojak was not origially meant only for losers, but to the generl audience of ppl who at least once in their life has something to recriminate

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 10:50:00 2018 No.11444732 File: 116 KB, 458x573, monsters.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITWASJUSTADREAM

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 12:44:22 2018 No.11445172 >>11418440 Pretty sure you could write a well received graduate thesis arguing that the gods were proto-memes. You should do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 12:45:37 2018 No.11445176 The Loser by Thomas Bernhard

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 13:10:50 2018 No.11445269
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>>11436276
i am not afraid of boomer, im disgusted at his gluttony, sloth, decadence and solipsism

sure hes serene and peaceful, but he achieves this by just becoming part of the problem that other people have to deal with

instead of confronting the chaos of the world he decides to just affect a misty eyed complacency while grilling and yelling at his neet son to mow his lawn, because he didn't have it so easy when he was a kid

boomer is having a good time but at the expense of being an entitled fucking man baby prick to everyone he is around, and getting away with it

what a fucking asshole

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 13:27:19 2018 No.11445346 >>11416529 "The Birth of Tragedy", unironically

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 14:49:23 2018 No.11445689 File: 424 KB, 2024x2321, 20090219172601!Michael_Pacher_004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] In the old days, Pepe couldn't always triumph either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 15:52:52 2018 No.11446003 >>11435953 correct

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 15:54:37 2018 No.11446015 >>11436996 The word "meme" was coined to resemble "gene," and evolution is intrinsic to its nature.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 17:11:19 2018 No.11446275 >>11442993 hey dumbass, I already refuted your bullshit >>11440668

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 17:35:17 2018 No.11446382 >>11419880 This september is my 10 year aniversary

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 17:42:52 2018 No.11446415 >>11420713 Beautiful

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 18:13:33 2018 No.11446564 Could we have some discussion about the significance of golden Wojak? Am I right in assuming he's some sort of "fallen" Wojak who's completely embraced nihilism? The fact that he's never seen with Pepe strikes me as significant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 19:29:10 2018 No.11446907 File: 787 KB, 1271x868, 1517718813737.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11437973

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 20:35:35 2018 No.11447104 >>11426173 That already exists. It's called Know Your Meme.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 20:45:32 2018 No.11447132 Based in depth meme thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 21:06:56 2018 No.11447196 >>11446382 You mean its your tenth birthday?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 22:37:12 2018 No.11447426 File: 311 KB, 396x524, 9104722F-8192-434D-A4E1-342D5F0AA6E5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11436627 >that 22 year old boomer who is an expert on memes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 22:47:46 2018 No.11447451 Sounds like the novel I'm writing about 4chan. December 2019 I will probably start tripfagging and shilling it here. All I will say at this time: it's about you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 22:49:15 2018 No.11447453 File: 8 KB, 230x164, 2C5C5575D387E611B589749AE40CBA26DA5205E8B7228B8C57pimgpsh_thumbnail_win_distr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hi my name is ian and i like video games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 22:52:56 2018 No.11447459 >>11447451 if i'm reading it it's for me

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 23:38:42 2018 No.11447558 i read this entire thread. what the fuck am i doing with my life, reading about the lore of two internet memes. dont regret it tho, love all you faggots

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 01:01:06 2018 No.11447841 >>11447453 redpill me on ian

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 01:04:27 2018 No.11447851 >>11420678 Lacks a Monster

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 01:26:50 2018 No.11447931 >>11420464 10/10

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 01:38:19 2018 No.11447963 >>11426874 Very beautiful. Truly makes me think about the symbolism of this meme.

Anonymous Thu Jul 12 01:38:26 2018 No.11447964

>>11425105
would be funnier as a virgin vs chad

>the virgin criminal
>scared of an old man's eye
>sweats constantly
>doesn't own his own property

>the chad heart
>stays alive after his owner is murdered
>makes himself at home in the floorboards
>thumps loudly to attract the police, loves the company

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 02:33:03 2018 No.11448098 >>11421751 I thought it was freg

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 06:28:33 2018 No.11448741 File: 1.67 MB, 1250x1080, 1508436633813.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11446015 I never thought about it that way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 06:57:36 2018 No.11448797 >>11447964 >would be funnier Yeah...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 09:01:52 2018 No.11449080 >>11418470 isn't Dolan originally a Finnish meme? or is it just a rumor

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 09:07:00 2018 No.11449102 >>11449080 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 09:18:35 2018 No.11449143 >>11420640 >>11421441 I'd just like to reiterate that Quake takes a shit in all other fps games' mouths at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 10:18:57 2018 No.11449355 >>11426874 >>11436554 >>11447963 Gondola videos sometimes make me cry. When I was younger I used to fantasize about teleporting around space and time and observing the beauty of life within all its seams.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 10:35:23 2018 No.11449436 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkX2NAKFM5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y28Diszaoo4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9mBJ0a_aAQ /biz/ has the best wojaks

Anonymous Thu Jul 12 13:04:18 2018 No.11450100

>>11448741
It's a combination of "gene" with "mimeme," the Greek word for imitation that also gave us "mime" and "mimic." Richard Dawkins (who is an actual evolutionary biologist when he's not being a God-botherer) coined it in "The Selfish Gene." Obviously it's gone through a bit of drift to get at what it's mostly used for these days, but it still fits in terms of how they tend to evolve and echo each other.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 15:08:38 2018 No.11450634 File: 146 KB, 592x211, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] feel like these two sum up the differences in evoltuion between the two quite well

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 08:21:02 2018 No.11450634,1 >>11439738 This guy is somewhat right. Either way, this entire thread is fucking cancer. Imageboards are dead.

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