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[Anonymous No.11413834]

Philosophy. Where should I start?

[Anonymous No.11413847]

The Pre-Socratics. After that, move onto Plato and Aristotle. From there, you can either go read the Neoplatonists or the Stoics.

[Anonymous No.11413862]

>>11413847
Skip Aristotle lol

[Anonymous No.11413874]

>>11413834
sam harris

[Anonymous No.11413895]

>>11413834

What do you want? Do you want a solid grounding in philosophy or a general overview for a layman? If the first, be prepared for a commitment spanning many, many years, starting with >>11413847. If the second, read Copleston's history of philosophy.

[Anonymous No.11413900]

>>11413862
Aristotle is the gap between Plato's idealism and rationalism/empiricism of latter eras. Without Aristotle, there would be no logic or syllogisms.

[Anonymous No.11413903]

>>11413874
This, followed by Ben Shapiro and Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.

[Anonymous No.11413909]

>>11413834
here. now stop making threads asking this same fucking question every day
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/mobilebasic

[Anonymous No.11413919]

>>11413834
plato

and just stay with him

[Anonymous No.11413924]

>>11413903
>not reading the based and redpilled Xenophanes, Hume, Schopenhauer, and Neetchay first

[Anonymous No.11413947]

You shouldn't. Philosophy is a rabbithole you can go down for decades, with nothing to show for it at the end - except for being able to sound pretentious.

[Anonymous No.11413952]

>>11413900
exactly. yuck. skip it.

[Anonymous No.11413981]

>>11413947
No, dummy. Philosophy is preparation for death. If you can deal with living and dying like an animal, go ahead I guess.

[Anonymous No.11413988]

>>11413981
Part of Plato's definition and he's one of the very few philosophers worth reading.

[Anonymous No.11413989]

>>11413909
This was my first and only time asking. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.11413994]

I want to try & find myself in a sense. I wonder if philosophy is the right way to go.

[Anonymous No.11414003]

>>11413994
won't help. stick with poetry and meditation. the zen route.

[Anonymous No.11414004]

>>11413994
Yes it is.

[Anonymous No.11414024]

>>11414003
Never been much of a poet. Any recommendations? I've never really read much of anything

[Anonymous No.11414037]

I'd have to say 12 Rules For Life, by Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.

[Anonymous No.11414044]

>>11414024
i'm assuming you're an english native speaker so just buy a poetry anthology and dive in. palgrave's golden treasury is a good place to start. epic poetry is good too.

i was exaggerating a bit though. some philosophy might help you out on your journey. just be careful because a lot of it is pointless babbling on about things humans don't know shit about.

[Anonymous No.11414049]

>>11414024
also my favorite poets are yeats, ts eliot, dh lawrence, gerard manley hopkins, and ezra pound. the elizabethans were also super insightful, viz. shakespeare and william drummond.

[Anonymous No.11414069]

>>11414024
On the Sublime - Longinus

[Anonymous No.11414073]

>>11413989
It's not just you babe it's anon in general.
Just read what you think might be interesting.
E.g. philosophy of science, art etc.
Helps to start with the Greeks, proceed to the Latins (scholastics), then the French (Descartes), English (Locke, Hume) and Germans (Leibniz, Kant, Hegel, Nietzsche. Schopenhauer is a meme).
Obviously this will take years, hence my initial recc: start from a topic that interests you. They will refer to some old dead dude, and you can read them next if you'd like.

[Anonymous No.11414079]

>>11413994
It's not. Reading words written by other men won't help you "find yourself".

[Anonymous No.11414091]

>>11414024
Saphos and Horace for the grecian lawls, Virgil to make Dante happy. Shakespeare vaulted off Spencer who leapt off Petrarch after the Early English settled down. After the bard died it was mostly a chain of imitation until Pope started trolling so hard he broke the art for a hundred years. Blake still gives me nightmares. Then the romantics picked up the ball and drew lipstick on it and called it sweet names as they yanked their quills to the makeshift muse-scarecrow Keats is only bamf in his odes and longer works, ie hyperion. Which are all just rehashing of Greek myths in modern (then) language. Emerson is a treat, his essays are a requirement though. I cut my poetic teeth in Poe and will always adore his style, again, his stories are better. Whitman is an overhyped clown, but LoG is still worth the read. Emily Dickenson went rogue and is probably the best since Shakespeare, her brain must have been 70 cubits in diameter. Lewis Carroll had some wicked verse, but still known for Alice in memeland. Yeats is the best lyric poet in a while, Lawrence and Houseman are only good for a few notable bits. Frost is quietly massive, easy to read, harder to "get". Wallace Stevens is a boss. Pound is absolutely insane. TS Eliot will never die. And that ocean vuyong guy is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.11414094]

>>11413952
This, deleuze and kant essentialy disproved all that shit

[Anonymous No.11414098]

>>11414073
Thank you again. I'm going to start with a history of philosophy and go in chronological order. I'm not sure what will interest me yet

[Anonymous No.11414120]

In my experience, it’s best to just start with primary texts. History and anthology books can be quite dry and frustrating. Read Plato and move on from there.

[Anonymous No.11415194]

>>11413847
Is reading presocratics really that important? I found them absolutely boring to read maybe except one or two and couldnt even finish. Meanwhile I love reading plato over and over.

[Anonymous No.11415207]

>>11413895
Copleston's intro to the Greeks is actually a decent overview for your "solid grounding" option, you can essentially skip the pre-Socratics if you read Copleston because he summarizes all the important ones and they are largely negated by Plato for good reason

[Anonymous No.11415264]

>>11415194
>presocratics
At first glance I read this as pseudosocratics.

[Anonymous No.11415267]

>>11415264
It's because you are obsessed with the word pseud. Maybe stop memeing it all the time.

[Anonymous No.11415289]

>>11415267
>Maybe stop memeing it all the time.
I never have. Not even once. I am just so used to seeing it that my brain is starting to self correct anything that starts with "p" into pseud.

[Anonymous No.11415373]

>>11414037
>whole book is about acting normal
Not even philosophy.

[Anonymous No.11415378]

>>11415194
imo they're essential.

They essentially invent a lot of the philosophical language we still use today.

[Anonymous No.11415383]

>>11413862
>>11413952
>>11414094

[Anonymous No.11415959]

>>11414120
>not starting with Hamilton's Mythology

[Anonymous No.11415968]

>>11415959
Hamilton's Mythology is only meant to be read by high schoolers who've never touched upon the Greeks. Hesiod's Theogony and Ovid's Metamorphoses are much better introductions to ancient mythology for somebody who actually wants to dive into the classics.

[Anonymous No.11415979]

>>11413834
Whatever interests you.

[Anonymous No.11415981]

>>11415968
>Hesiod's Theogony and Ovid's Metamorphoses are much better introductions to ancient mythology
Sur-
>for somebody who actually wants to dive into the classics
Then you don't start with Hesiod and Ovid, you start with Mastronarde's Introduction to Attic Greek.

[Anonymous No.11415988]

just use the fucking archive

[Anonymous No.11415995]

>>11415968
>Ovid's Metamorphoses

which translation should I read?

[Anonymous No.11416093]

>>11413874
>>11413903
based

[Anonymous No.11416100]

>>11415995
Study Latin.

[Anonymous No.11416114]

>>11413834
you dont

[Anonymous No.11416123]

>>11416100
After Greek.

[Anonymous No.11416124]

>>11415981
>learning Greek instead of Latin, which was the language of law, administration, and the academia up until the 18th century

[Anonymous No.11416129]

>>11416124
>actually going with Latin first

[Anonymous No.11416144]

>>11413834
There's no reason to read any of it. All of it's on youtube.

[Anonymous No.11416198]

>>11416129
If you're interested in Greek culture (philosophy, literature, inscriptions, etc.), take your time and learn Greek. If you're more interested in the Romans and everything that came after them, learn Latin. If you want to learn both, then I don't see there being anything wrong with that, other than it taking double the amount of time and effort than specializing in only one.
If you're more interested in modern/contemporary literature and philosophy, learn French or German. Those languages are still being spoken and written in by hundreds of millions of people.

[Anonymous No.11416210]

>>11416198
Life is more than long enough to learn all those languages.

[Anonymous No.11416261]

Aristotle into Kant into Neechee is all you need

[Anonymous No.11416340]

>>11416210
>>11416198

What if I just want to read Tom Clancy's Thunderbolts from Olympus: Lockdown?

>I swear on the river Styx I'll --
>I juswana ride your pony!!!
OH NO PHAETON DON'T DO THAT BRO
>OH NO PHAETON DON'T DO THAT BRO
>I'm doing it
>I'm crashing it
OH NO
OH NO
>I'M CRASHING
I CAN'T [READ] THIS SHIT

Tragedy? More like thriller.

[Anonymous No.11416347]

>>11413834
Prager U

[Anonymous No.11416349]

Or perhaps more ubiquitous:

>I'm so good at this, I challenge the gods to a flying / basketweaving / slutty stripteasing contest!

AND THAT'S HOW FLOWERS WERE CREATED

[Anonymous No.11416360]

>>11413903
>skipping Noam Chomsky

Welp time to get off this board.

[Anonymous No.11416378]

Thales

[Anonymous No.11416380]

>>11413862
nope

[Anonymous No.11416382]

Start by reading hegel and peirce concurrently. Any other suggestion is a meme intended to leave you confused.