/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11411205]

Usually we are recommended books to "challenge our notion of colonialism. " But usually those books are anti colonial. Are there any classics that paint it in a good light or argues for colonialism convincingly?

[Anonymous No.11411225]

>>11411205
You posted one in your pic

[Anonymous No.11411231]

>>11411225
Thanks

[Anonymous No.11411293]

>>11411231

/Thread over/

[Anonymous No.11411305]

>>11411205
summat by rudyard kipling probably
his writing about his travels through the colonies e.g. canada are pretty pro-empire
he also makes a few snide racist comments along the way

[Anonymous No.11413134]

My diary.

[Anonymous No.11414353]

>>11411305
Kipling was a total rascist. You should read any pro British essays written in the 1800s, OP. A much more interesting question is why you would want to ever argue for colonialism?

[Anonymous No.11414383]

>>11411205
is it truly anti-colonialism? i saw it more as the loss/death of culture due to colonialism. the book focuses a lot more about the main character, his village, culture, family, and subsequent decay of said culture to leave room for the colonists.

[Anonymous No.11415431]

>>11414353
I don't want to but I want to see how pro colonialist might have seen themselves. Besides the obvious reasons of course.

[Anonymous No.11415438]

Imagine thinking that multiculturalism is bad but that colonialism is good

[Anonymous No.11415469]

>>11411205
You'd generally have to go back to actual colonial literature, in particular reports and memoirs by British officers.

You might also want to look at Flashman, but just for fun, not ethical arguments.

/pol/ would advise you to watch Empire of Dust to see a Chinese prospector haranguing africans about how they've let their country go to hell since the Belgians left.

You would also be interested in the abolition of practices like sati, and things that don't fit into the narrative, like Mussolini's abolition of slavery in Ethiopia.

[Anonymous No.11415473]

>>11415469
...Bernal Diaz also wrote an account of the conquest of Mexico from the Aztecs. As nasty as the inquisition-era Spanish were, it's hard to say they were worse than the Aztecs.

[Anonymous No.11415505]

>>11414353
Because of the inherent superiority of Whites and the natural desirably of the domination of the greater over the lesser.

[Anonymous No.11415513]

>>11415505
So an account of how Jews, who rule the world, are inherently superior to you?

[Anonymous No.11415539]

>>11415513
I'm going to take this opportunity to interject a third opinion on the jews, seldom voice.

They are basically Hapsburgs. An inbred international elite that has its heyday for about three hundred years, then lapses into obscurity.

With the internet, easy international travel, rock solid international banking connections, anyone can do today what in the 19th century only Jews could do. We are all rootless cosmopolitans now. Which means the Hapsburgs have competition.

[Anonymous No.11415583]

>>11415505
You do realize that the current European migrant crisis is to a large extent a by-product of colonialism, right? Why do you think most non-white migrants in Britain and France come from their former colonies? Imperialism pretty much always leads to multiculturalism.

[Anonymous No.11416570]

>>11415473
>As nasty as the inquisition-era Spanish were
lol you got memed by the semites

[Anonymous No.11416576]

>>11416570
yes you're right mate they weren't bloodthirsty torturers they were all like AND NOW PREPARE FOR THE SOFT CUSHIONS like the monty python sketch

[Anonymous No.11416598]

>>11414353
Colonialism saved Africa from backwardness.

[Anonymous No.11416640]

Lord Jim by Conrad

The Malaysian Trilogy by Burgess

The Complete Short Stories of Kipling

[Anonymous No.11416644]

>>11415438
>imagine being reasonable

[Anonymous No.11416653]

>>11416598
Epic post, praise KEK!

[Anonymous No.11416661]

>>11416644
What’s reasonable about holding mutually exclusive beliefs?

[Anonymous No.11416695]

>>11416653
https://youtu.be/8TVwy2DBeI4

[Anonymous No.11417942]

>>11416661
They're not exclusive unless you're autistic enough to ignore the connotations of the terms in addition to being an unironical cultural relativist.

Spreading technological innovations, infrastructure, medicine and banning the practice of burning child brides alive when their 80yo husband dies = good, and is not the same as importing people who contribute next to nothing of cultural or economic value whilst promoting regressive and violent values. Hospitals and railroads > welfare leeching and rape gangs.

[Anonymous No.11418064]

>>11415583
yeah i remember when sweden colonized somalia shit was lit

[Anonymous No.11418143]

>>11411205
Modern Egypt by Cromer
Chatham House Version by Kedourie
Im not sure its exactly what youre looking for but you'll get some insight into colonialism from these 2

[Anonymous No.11418165]

Oh also Dalrymple's article After Empire is interesting, its neither exactly pro nor a classic but its worth checking out

[Anonymous No.11418389]

>>11415438
Imagine thinking that the Indian guy moving in next door to you is exactly like genocide.

You babies are so fucking coddled

[Anonymous No.11418459]

>>11414383
>read book in 12th grade
>teacher explains "muh oppression, colonialism=bad"
>everyone agrees
>don't attempt to #rekt teacher because I'm not that autistic
>turn to girl beside me whose been keen on the lesson the entire time
>casually say "I wonder how many Africans have iPhones cause of colonialism"

imo the colonialists do not destroy the culture, the africans do by way of no longer understanding it themselves.

[Anonymous No.11418469]

>>11411205
a lot of seemingly anti-colonialism books suddenly become pro-colonialism if you think about it long enough
>see pic related

[Anonymous No.11418475]

>>11416576
they werent, the inquisition is a meme, wasnt semites though it was protestant propaganda. Shocking I know

[Anonymous No.11418990]

>>11415469
Good answer

[Anonymous No.11419163]

>>11411205
That whole book is ass except for that last paragraph or so that gets meta. I read that well before I had many conceptions of what "meta" is and was blown away. The sequels to this somehow suck even more ass. Fuck that book and fuck any teacher/professor who insists on having their students read it.

[Anonymous No.11419174]

>>11418459
You are dumb.

[Anonymous No.11419178]

>>11418459
extremely retarded of you

[Anonymous No.11419203]

>>11418469

this

[Anonymous No.11419217]

Things Fall Apart wasn't anti-colonial, it just portrays a realistic position that colonial peoples and indigenous peoples could not coexist.

[Anonymous No.11419334]

>>11415513
>the tick is the master of the lion
No.

[Anonymous No.11420796]

>>11416570
No, definitely WASPs for that one.

[Anonymous No.11420822]

>>11411305
>Canada
>pro-empire

Our treatment of the natives is a national disgrace

[Anonymous No.11420852]

Maybe Ian Smith's memoirs. Very good book as well.

[Anonymous No.11422230]

>>11420822
The residential schools were terrible, but that's not the entirety of the relationship Canada has with the Natives.

[Anonymous No.11422320]

>>11417942
Yeah, European colonizers only brought railroads and medicine, they never oppressed or exploited the native population. Whitey dindu nuffin.

[Anonymous No.11422329]

>>11414353
Colonialism is bad but not because it hurts natives. It's bad because it ultimately hurts the colonizers.

Lay with dogs and you'll get fleas

[Anonymous No.11422335]

>>11422329
Colonialism did hurt the natives though, which is why it was amoral

[Anonymous No.11422345]

>>11422335
Dude, fuck the natives. I have no fucking obligation to them. I do have an obligation to MY homeland, however.

[Anonymous No.11422354]

>>11422345
This is a Christian board

[Anonymous No.11422371]

>>11414353
What we consider the Western world today was at one point either colonized by the Greeks, the Romans, the Franks, and the English

[Anonymous No.11422384]

In 50 years when africa still sucks ass will we still blame the colonists?