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Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:14:36 2018 No.11392655 [Reply] [Original]

why hasn't he gotten the nobel yet?

time's ticking

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:15:05 2018 No.11392657 >>11392655 Cause they cancelled the nobels

Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:20:36 2018 No.11392671

He’s too edgy, zany, ridiculous, and ironic a writer to get it. They typically give it to “””””””””””serious writers”””””””””””” fulfilling a certain persona. I mean, Pynchon is a serious writer who definitely speaks to the modern human condition, he just intersperses it with a lot of GOOFS AND GAGS

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:23:20 2018 No.11392682 >>11392671 bob dylan is pretty edgy and weird

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:41:57 2018 No.11392724 >>11392682 He's also Jewish.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:45:39 2018 No.11392735 >>11392724 whatever, there's not enough jewish laureates to warrant a conspiracy i think this >>11392671 guy was more on track

Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:48:59 2018 No.11392742

>>11392671

He's also already very well known. If anything, I like that the Nobel purports to try affording lesser known talents with a wider audience. Pynchon is an already established literary legend. Jim getting the award might make a few headlines, but his readership is already secured.

The fact they chose Bob Dylan is still fucking ridiculous to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:50:28 2018 No.11392746 You have to be good to get the Nobel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:50:33 2018 No.11392747 >>11392682 no he isnt

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:50:38 2018 No.11392749 File: 181 KB, 429x410, 311.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11392735

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:53:52 2018 No.11392754 >>11392747 when he was relevant he made one of the edgiest moves in the history of pop music by switching to electric blues rock, also he's a pretty weird dude overall, he seems dually concerned and ambivalent about his legacy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:54:58 2018 No.11392757 >>11392754 You mean Highway 61 right?

Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:57:36 2018 No.11392767

>>11392655
He'll shine more without it, like Borges. When Tarantino won the Palm d'or, he said something like "There's only one list that's more illustrious than the list of directors who won the Palme d'Or. It's the list of directors who didn't." Same goes for the Lit Nobel

Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:58:31 2018 No.11392770

>>11392655

>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Pynchon
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Roth
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before McCarthy
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before DeLillo
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Rushdie
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Amy Tan
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Junot Diaz
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Ta-Nehisi Coates
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Ma Jian
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Joyce Carol Oates
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Zadie Smith
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Leslie Marmon Silko
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Tao Lin
>Bob Dylan got the nobel before Haruki Murakami

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 22:59:45 2018 No.11392774 >>11392770 You forgot Rowling

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 23:00:35 2018 No.11392776 >>11392770 >Bob Dylan got the nobel before Junot Diaz >implying that's something bad

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 23:00:37 2018 No.11392777 >>11392767 The Palm d'Or lost all legitimacy when they gave it to Michael Moore for Fahrenheit 9/11

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 23:05:57 2018 No.11392794 >>11392777 well, tbf, even Shrek 2 was nominated that year

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 23:07:31 2018 No.11392797 >>11392777 just like nobel means nothing now that dylan has it

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 23:09:27 2018 No.11392805 >>11392794 >>11392797 The Pulitzer Prize for music is meaningless too now that Kendrick Lamar got one. How the fuck does this happen? Shouldn't we be collectively raising our standards for art as opposed to lowering them?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 23:09:33 2018 No.11392806 >>11392757 well, side 1 of bringing all back home + the newport festival

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 23:12:47 2018 No.11392814 >>11392805 Isn't DAMN just about telling women to be humble? What's the takeaway?

Anonymous Fri Jun 29 23:18:56 2018 No.11392832

>>11392814
That's exactly my point. I understand that just because something is popular doesn't make it bad (I think Pink Floyd is one of the most creative bands ever) but does DAMN really deserve a Pulitzer prize? It wasn't even the best rap album released that year.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 29 23:49:17 2018 No.11392892 >>11392770 Tao Lin hahaha

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 01:18:01 2018 No.11393054
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>>11392794
>shrek 2 nominated for the Palme d’or
>>11392805
>Kendrick Lamar wins the Pulitzer

I actually had to google both of these because I laughed and thought they were memes.

Today I was the meme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 02:06:22 2018 No.11393196 >>11392770 >Female authors >Tao Lin >Junot Diaz

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 02:17:57 2018 No.11393217 >>11392655 Pynchon is only relevant to a particular minority of Western "men"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 02:19:24 2018 No.11393220 >>11392770 We know it's you, Tao.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 03:15:17 2018 No.11393388 >>11392655 Worthless prize. He won the only one that ever mattered for GR though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 03:17:58 2018 No.11393399 >>11392655 because he writes about senile old british men getting scatologically murdered by vampiresses and zany protags who turn out to be pedos

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 03:32:16 2018 No.11393435 >>11392832 >/lit/ pretends they know anything about rap so can keep the circlejerk going

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 04:09:43 2018 No.11393494 >>11393435 If you think Kendrick Lamar can hold a candle to some of the Pulitzer heavyweights like Wynton Marsalis or Ornette Coleman, you don't know anything about music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 04:13:36 2018 No.11393508 >>11392770 Put me in the screenshot

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 04:49:55 2018 No.11393579

>>11392742
They don't care about popularity, they actually care about nothing in particular, so to speak. If they decide on someone, they will go ahead. I feel it's just their guts and some old standard checkboxes like aesthetic and social value of work, new modes of expression etc. that any writer has to tick. Pynchon has ticked all those boxes. Hence this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 05:08:39 2018 No.11393605 >>11393494 Neither do you, clearly. Marsalis or Coleman have very little to do with Kendrick other than the fact they’re black. Equating rap with jazz is reductive.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 06:36:12 2018 No.11393734

>>11392770
>Joyce Carol Oates is worthy of the Nobel
>Tao Lin is worthy of the Nobel
>Zadie Smith is worthy of the Nobel
>Murakami is worthy of the Nobel
>Junot Diaz is worthy of the Nobel
>Amy Tan is worthy of the Nobel
>Literally who #31 is worthy of the Nobel

Fucking laughable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 06:39:26 2018 No.11393737 >>11392805 Honestly as soon as an Award gets extremely left wing panel critics or female sympathy, it's bye bye "quality" and hello "IT MADE ME CRY, IT NEEDS TO BE READ"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:07:22 2018 No.11394473 borges never got a nobel prize but bob dylan did, that's all you need to know.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:12:23 2018 No.11394501

>>11392754
By edgy and weird, I mean including scenes where a guy eats a woman’s shit, constant description of strange and sadomasochistic sexual practices, a general childish and absurdist or gross-out sense of humor, having characters break out into song in the middle of a scene, generally not taking himself that seriously.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:15:26 2018 No.11394507

>>11393054
The funny thing is that I still think there’s a lot of pretension and wankery in the culture of “high art”, but the erosion of this culture seems even more worrying and depressing. As in, I still think most elitist art is dull and the culture surrounding it filled with eunuchs and sycophants, but the very existence of such an elitist high culture was reassuring in a way. The West is really going down the chute.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:16:11 2018 No.11394510

Put things in perspective! Unfortunately, the Nobel Prize has been awarded to many minor writers, at the expense of many important writers. A list of the great writers who never received the Nobel Prize, notwithstanding a general recognition of their achievements, includes:
BORGES, one of the most influential literary figures of the 20th century
BRECHT, the founder of modern theatre
CONRAD, one of the greatest novelists in English of all times
GARCIA LORCA, one of the greatest Spanish poets of the last three centuries
IBSEN, one of the greatest playwrights of all times
JAMES, possibly the greatest USA novelist of all times
JOYCE, considered by many the most influential writer of the 20th century
KAFKA, greatest German novelist of the 20th century
NABOKOV, one of the greatest USA novelists of the 20th century
PESSOA, one of the greatest poets of the 20th century
PROUST, considered by many the greatest French novelist of the 20th century
VALERY, greatest French poet of the 20th century

On the other hand, absolutely minor (and sometimes terrible) writers have been awarded the prize. Since the 1990s, the winners of the Nobel Prize for literature have been chosen mostly for being "politically correct" (like Fo, Grass and Pamuk at the turn of the century). But many are simply mysterious decisions. It is difficult to understand what makes the jury prefer mediocre, provincial writers to so many greater writers. The Nobel Prize is awarded by a Swedish Academy. The writers of Sweden (a country of 30 million people) have won more prizes than the writers of all of Asia (a continent of one billion people). Is it the rest of the world that is illiterate and uncreative, or is it the Swedish academia that is provincial, nationalistic and anachronistic?

Of all literary prizes for literature the Nobel Prize has become by far the least meaningful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:19:47 2018 No.11394521 >>11392814 lel no it was telling everyone to be humble ya dingus

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:26:48 2018 No.11394538

>>11394510
Yeah, definitely, if you look at the history of its winners, there’s some great authors we still remember today and then a lot of “literally who”s. There’s some great ones like Faulkner, Beckett, Marquez, Yeats, and Mann (strangely enough, the early history of its winners seems much more illustrious), interspersed with a lot of mediocrity. Also Kafka is good but none of his novels were published during his lifetime and he didn’t become very popular at all during his lifetime, only quite some time after his death, so that one at least makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:32:54 2018 No.11394558 >>11394510 >30 million people

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:46:26 2018 No.11394598 >>11394510 Garcia Lorca is shit lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:47:28 2018 No.11394601 >>11394521 so prizeworthy

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:56:56 2018 No.11394631

>>11392655
I wouldn't like him to get it. Though the prize is fucking worthless, it is still a major recognizement in the contemporary literature world. Does he deserve it? Absolutely. However, let's not forget that nobel prizes many times are not given to a single author, but to an entire generation (even Bob Dylan's wasn't to recognize the 'literary value' of his career, but a statement of popular music being a modern form of literature). By this means, and to keep the Pynchon myth immaculate, giving the nobel to Don DeLillo would be more appropiate --and would be valuable to the works of Pynchon, DFW, Gass, Roth and more--.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:14:44 2018 No.11394687

>>11392805
Do you know of a more appropriate winner? The award mostly focused on classical and a bit on jazz musicians before, which recent compositions/albums would you nominate instead?

>>11394510
Good post. But you should take Kafka off the list, because he was an obscurity while he was alive. Tolstoy should be mentioned instead (Nobels were being awarded since 1901, he died in '10).
I really don't get why everyone is so obsessed with this prize. It's criticized so often, why don't people finally start ignoring it?

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