>This is now banned because of liberals and democrats

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Anonymous Mon Jun 25 12:22:19 2018 No.11372782 [Reply] [Original]

>This is now banned because of liberals and democrats

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 25 12:28:35 2018 No.11372802 Looks like a comfy read

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 25 12:30:34 2018 No.11372812 Perhaps explain?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 25 13:19:56 2018 No.11373027 >>11372812 Apparently some of the characters say some stuff about Native Americans that isn't too PC.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 25 14:53:34 2018 No.11373413 >>11372782 >Characters created by the author are not PC Sent off to the gulags, when?

Anonymous Mon Jun 25 15:00:17 2018 No.11373431

>>11373027
>>11372812
There was a sentence in the book that said, "There were no people here, only Indians." At some point, people was changed to settlers, but even that's not good enough.
God forbid someone born in the 1860s not conform to our modern mores.
We corpse synods now.

Anonymous Mon Jun 25 19:52:42 2018 No.11374486

>>11373431
Why can't you just slap one of those "We have persevered the original work but please note some of it is offensive due to the time period it was written" lines on the copyright page? I saw something like that in a copy of L'morte d'arthur. Seems like the best way for a publisher to save their asses without ruining a person's art

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 25 19:53:53 2018 No.11374490 >>11373413 kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 25 21:01:00 2018 No.11374726 >>11372782 For f sake OP. You mind rewording? LH isn't banned. Wilder's name was fucking removed from the Children's Award given out by the ALSC.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 25 21:02:49 2018 No.11374735 >>11374726 changing the name of a children's book award is just another form of book burning

Anonymous Mon Jun 25 23:35:51 2018 No.11375391

>>11374726
I'd rather it be banned than slowly erased, just so there could be some sort of Streisand Effect.

It amazes me how we're all just acquiescing to it, the slow unpersoning of historical figures and books. They've learned. When you ban something, it becomes forbidden fruit. When you "problematize" it, you don't remove it from circulation, no, you just make it so polite people don't talk about it at length, and that there's nothing that anchors it to the present, like say an award in an author's name.

Ideally you want the children's librarian of 30 years from now to be going through the stacks weeding out old books for replacement, coming across "Little House on the Prairie" and not saying "OMG RACIST!" but "Who the fuck is Laura Ingalls Wilder? This book is too antiquated for modern children to get.", and into the pulper it goes.

The end run isn't to ban things, they've learned from past mistakes. It's to memory hole them bit by bit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 25 23:38:07 2018 No.11375400 >>11372782 only trump voters can save literature now. readers, it's time we rise up.

Anonymous Mon Jun 25 23:44:10 2018 No.11375423

>>11375400
The average Trump voter thinks literature is for fags. And who could blame them? The most publicly prominent authors and intellectuals are shills, basedboys or both.

I say this as a guy who voted for Trump. It's pretty clear he doesn't give much of a shit about the culture wars outside of settling scores with people who attack him personally.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 00:05:06 2018 No.11375489 BUY THIS BOOK BEFORE LIBERALS BAN IT - Annabelle Scuttler

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 00:42:29 2018 No.11375606 File: 1.06 MB, 360x270, 1527910435170.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11375391 >exaggerate original news to propagate alarmism >gets called out >yea but I wish they did Really no way of pleasing you huh?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 01:12:13 2018 No.11375679 >>11375606 That was my first response on the thread, you unbearable faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 01:18:10 2018 No.11375697 >>11375679 Oh okay then let me rephrase >OP exaggerate original news to propagate alarmism >gets called out >yea but I wish they did Hope that pleases you

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 01:33:06 2018 No.11375744

>>11375697
Jesus H. Christ.
Yes, thank you for reiterating what I said.

I *do* wish they banned it, because ultimately it's better for the book and the author than slowly dismantling awareness of them. I never once was under the impression that they were banning them, and I think that misconstrued overreaction is part and parcel of the process "You idiot, it's still in the library. We're not getting rid of it. Go read it all you want. Chicken Little." It's the fucking long game that I'm even concerned about.

Do you only read the first fucking lines of the post before responding, or are you usually this fucking obtuse?

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 01:39:39 2018 No.11375762

>>11375744
Yes I did, that's how I encapsulate your entire point of 'yea but I wish they did'.

>misconstrued overreaction is part and parcel of the process
Oh please at least give OP some credit. Posting clickbait like this to propagate his agenda is how they operate, and people ITT fall for the bait or like you treat like as if it some liberal strategy. Sad!

I won't deny there is some political correctness behind this move, but this withdrawal of emphasis seems like the appropriate strategy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 01:46:01 2018 No.11375785 File: 155 KB, 541x360, 1505447304057.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11375744 >>This is now banned because of liberals and democrats >I never once was under the impression that they were banning them Why, anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 01:53:01 2018 No.11375805 >>11375785 Okay, now you're just fuckin' trolling me at this point, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 02:00:35 2018 No.11375824 >>11373027 It's set in a time when settlers were under constant threat of attack by Natives so the characters have politically incorrect views. Wrongthink is unacceptable in the current year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 02:03:55 2018 No.11375829 >>11372782 good chuds btfo

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 02:04:55 2018 No.11375832

>>11375762
Not really a "planned" strategy per se. There's no grand cabal planning shit somewhere in some basement saying "Okay, this is the shit we're slowly phasing out and we're going to push this shit instead. Refer to the list."

What there is, is a sort of inchoate desire to shape the zeitgeist, and part of that is "moving on" from certain things, people, works of art, what have you.

Now that would be all fine and dandy with me since that's how history operates. Shit gets forgotten. Name the greatest poet of Ancient Egypt, for example. Ubi sunt, momento mori and all that shit.

What I got a problem with is that the shit they're pushing sucks aesthetically and has a sort of bizarro-land manichean morality at the core of it that brooks no complexity or historical context.

It's like Veggie-Tales but instead of Bible Stories, they're shoving shit up each others asses and blaming the cauliflower for everything wrong in the world.

I don't want the culture to move in that general direction, but we're pretty much fucked. I mean I got so desperate as to vote for a reality television star. Ah well, at least he doesn't try to hide the fact that he's a narcissistic asshole behind false piety, but Jesus H. Christ, outside of animal cunning he's about as intelligent as a bag of hammers and cultured as a Sentinalese Islander...

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 02:13:52 2018 No.11375860

>>11375832
>What I got a problem with is that the shit they're pushing sucks aesthetically and has a sort of bizarro-land manichean morality at the core of it that brooks no complexity or historical context.
But this move by withdrawing its name from an award is the most nuanced and measured yet, but you still claim it as manichean. Like I said there from the beginning it seems like nothing can please you and you will whine no matter what move they make.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 02:16:03 2018 No.11375862 File: 122 KB, 750x1024, check_em.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11372782 At least we are not on the times when nazis burned books.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 02:19:45 2018 No.11375867 >>11375824 The other way around, is the genocidal settlers who raided lands, you uncultured swine.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:01:41 2018 No.11375998

>>11375860
Gee, I dunno. Go look at how human the Comanche considered the settlers. Or other Indian tribes for that matter. Yet the justification of her moral stances on race by some bizarre ahistorical standard are the main reason why an excellent children's writer should not be considered an exemplar of the form.

I dunno; seems like a pretty good reason to have a gripe. But at this point you're just being a contrarian faggot.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:07:48 2018 No.11376013

>>11375998
>by some bizarre ahistorical standard
The whole impetus behind this movement was literally an 8 year old's hurt feeling, hardly bizarre or ahistorical. Again the move doesn't say the book isn't an exemplar of the form but shouldn't be one of its biggest representation.

>But at this point you're just being a contrarian faggot.
Maybe so but you are just a whining passive-aggressive faggot.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:19:31 2018 No.11376033

>>11376013
>eight year old got their feelings hurt by a book
Fine, go ahead. Change it to the Rowling Award or some other writer of toothless pablums and moral bromides so that the only thing an eight year old will feel reading something is warm fuzzies and self-validation.

>Passive-Aggressive
I don't think you understand what that word means, friendo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:23:53 2018 No.11376038 what's interesting about LHotP is how people from all sides of the political spectrum have tried to claim it as their own. Why you trying to make yourself angry, op? You'll give yourself an ulcer then blame it on n**gers

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:25:41 2018 No.11376043 >>11375606 >alarmism There's only one legitimate reaction to any kind of censorship and that is being alarmed. It doesn't matter if it's the state that is doing it or a bunch of upper middle class intersectional and critical race theorists.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:29:31 2018 No.11376048

>>11376033
>an eight year old will feel reading something is warm fuzzies and self-validation.
I didn't say or even implied that, you did.

>I don't think you understand what that word means
Considering how your above statement is passive aggressively conceding the point to me, i think the reverse is true.

>>11376043
It isn't censorship and labeling as such is alarmism

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:30:52 2018 No.11376053 >>11376043 nah. some people need to be shut up for the betterment of society......of course with the internet the whole "aaaaghgghghg censorship in literature" thing becomes academic

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:34:09 2018 No.11376060 >>11376048 >remove a children's book from the list for a potential award because of PC bullshit >Not censorship Just shut the fuck up.

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Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:40:49 2018 No.11376092
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>>11376060
Did you even read the news? They merely changed the name of the award itself, not withdrawing the book from the list to potentially be awarded.

>The name of the prize was changed from the Laura Ingalls Wilder Medal to the Children’s Literature Legacy Award.

And besides either of those things are not censorship. I swear this constant crying wolf will one day bite free speech in the ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:43:32 2018 No.11376098 >>11376092 Well then it's even worse than I thought. And yes it is censorship, because the motivation for changing it is entirely political.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:45:57 2018 No.11376101 >>11376098 Censorship is when the government tries to suppress something. None of it is happening here

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:46:20 2018 No.11376102 >>11376098 you people trigger easier than libtards

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:50:55 2018 No.11376115 >>11376101 >Censorship is when the government tries to suppress something Really? So what do you call it when Youtube or Twitter bans a channel because of it's political content or otherwise?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:52:20 2018 No.11376120 >>11376102 Well excuse me for actually believing in something. We can't all be jaded ironists who only believe in memes.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:52:22 2018 No.11376122

>>11374486
>La morte d'Arthur
Why not slap the blurb on the Bible? Motherfucking Iliad, with its winning women as prizes? *insert gaping basedmouth emoji* The Divine Comedy, The Canterbury Tales, Decameron, that chauvinist swine Ovid... The list could go on, and it shall.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:55:30 2018 No.11376130 >>11376115 a private individual who owns a private company making a decisions to russle your jimmies personally??? youtube, facebook etc are not public services. they have no obligation to uphold your version of "free speach".

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 03:57:37 2018 No.11376137

>>11376130
>youtube, facebook etc are not public services

They arguably are when they have billions of users.

But yes, they are private companies, and they have no obligation to follow the 1st Amendment on their "property". But that doesn't mean it isn't censorship if they remove content, because it is.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:04:29 2018 No.11376160

>>11376137
>They arguably are when they have billions of users.

no....really they're not in anway a public service. they are explicitly commercial endeavours....if something threatens their value then it is the logic of capitalism that they should eliminate that threat.

its not censorship...its being buisness-savy and corporate minded. if you don't like this you're probably a communist who wants to nationalise the tech industry. Turn facebook et al into a public utility?

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:07:33 2018 No.11376169

>>11376160
>its not censorship.

Yes it is you sperg. If I put up a video and I say that we should bring back lynching, even ironically, and they take down the video because of hate speech, that is censorship.

Deal with it.

Also:

>being a First Amendment absolutist
>Communist

lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:08:32 2018 No.11376172 >>11376169 Lmao what a tard

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:10:08 2018 No.11376179 >>11376169 >pinko in denial

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:10:54 2018 No.11376182 >>11376169 When are you coming out of the closet as a commie and a fag?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:12:53 2018 No.11376184 >>11376172 >>11376179 >>11376182 SEETHING samefaggotry

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:12:59 2018 No.11376185 >>11376169 boooo I hate communists

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:15:00 2018 No.11376188 File: 15 KB, 373x116, lewl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11376184 >He thinks only one person thinks he's a retard I wish I could censor you, chucklefuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:15:31 2018 No.11376190 >>11376188 >I wish I could censor you Of course you do. Pinko.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:16:44 2018 No.11376193 >>11376190 no u r teh commie

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:36:19 2018 No.11376220

>>11376169
You don't know what the First Amendment says if you think it forces Youtube to host whatever stupid shit you want to spew. If Youtube was run by the government, then no, they couldn't unfairly suppress your video, but Youtube is completely private so they have no obligation to let any retard use it that wants to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:41:09 2018 No.11376229 >>11376220 I'm fully aware of all of that, but we were discussing what is and what is not censorship. And just because a private company is doing it doesn't mean it isn't censorship.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:44:48 2018 No.11376233 >>11372782 Can somebody shoop Pepe onto that green scarf plz

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:47:25 2018 No.11376236 >>11376233 do it yourself fag

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:50:17 2018 No.11376241 >>11375867 >>11375824 >Muh noble savages dindu nuffin

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:51:37 2018 No.11376246 >>11376236 I’m phoneposting, no shoop skills, and don’t even read books. So no.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 04:52:17 2018 No.11376248

>>11375606
this is the typical pol cycle

>HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS SHIT THEY'RE DOING NOW
>hmm, well it's not actually that bad, I mean, if you look
>WELL THE FACT THAT I BELIEVED IT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING HERE

the amount of times I've seen people on this website getting triggered by their own fantasies is unreal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 05:01:53 2018 No.11376270 File: 16 KB, 296x314, PC.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11376248 >American Library Association's plan for 2018 was a new "Equity and Inclusion" strategy >6 months later they start changing the names of their awards

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 05:57:32 2018 No.11376365 File: 10 KB, 128x128, 1527772885120.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11376169 >mfw a 'classical liberal' is unironically suggesting to nationalize Youtube and shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 07:11:03 2018 No.11376527 >>11376270 [NOTICING INTENSIFIES]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 07:11:21 2018 No.11376529 >>11375862 They just smash coffee makers and burn the environment now. A way better trade off , am I right? #MAGA #SCOTTPRUITTISMYBAE #LOCKHERUP #DRAINTHESWAMP

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 07:14:44 2018 No.11376540 >>11376160 >communist >nationalise >communist >nation Burger, I don't think you know what communism is. It's not when the government does stuff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 07:19:49 2018 No.11376555 >>11376137 >They arguably are when they have billions of users. No, they inarguably aren't. They are no more a public service than Adidas are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 07:24:18 2018 No.11376568 >>11376248 Man, the number of times I've seen /pol/luters screech about non-whites being put in "traditionally white" contexts and then go on to complain about how nobody even tries to make immigrants learn "our" values or traditions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 07:48:29 2018 No.11376617 >>11376568 WHY IS HEIMDALL A NIGGER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 08:57:19 2018 No.11376749 >>11372782 > Change name of award > "Censorship" Not really, the book is still considered a classic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 08:58:08 2018 No.11376752 >>11372782 >Tfw all the praire is gone

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 09:12:25 2018 No.11376786 File: 22 KB, 464x205, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11376184 (You) caught me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 09:17:18 2018 No.11376804 >>11375400 Yea alt righters are really into the reading books meme, its a good way to spot them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 09:28:07 2018 No.11376829 >>11376220 The first amendment is not the same thing as free speech and censorship can be carried out by a private company by definition. Don't know why so many faggots think free speech = the first amendment lately.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 09:29:16 2018 No.11376833 >>11376786 >butt-ravaged enough to spend 5 hours on ms paint loser

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 09:29:44 2018 No.11376835 >>11376568 Nonsensical point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 09:38:29 2018 No.11376853 Is it really banned? Wasn't it just stripped of the Laura Ingalls Wilder award? Banning a book and stripping it of its accolades are two different things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 10:13:40 2018 No.11376929 >>11374735 It really isn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 10:54:07 2018 No.11377045 >>11376835 Nonsensical brain.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 11:00:09 2018 No.11377068 you niggas don't know about her daughter Rose tho

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 12:45:09 2018 No.11377421 >>11376365 Where have I argued that you fucking retard?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 12:46:39 2018 No.11377430 >>11377421 The only way Youtube can be prevented from 'censoring' people if it was nationalized

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 12:50:41 2018 No.11377448 >>11372782 >banned MOM MOM THEY TOOK HER NAME OFF A SPURIOUS CHILDRENS' BOOK AWARD do you actually read articles or just hover around on your fucking iphone looking for outrage because you're mentally retarded, OP

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 12:53:23 2018 No.11377457 >>11374735 then me beating you incontinent is just another form of education, come over here and let me prove it >>11375400 >TRUMP WILL SAVE LITERATURE AND ARTS I told you to get a job this summer you little shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:04:00 2018 No.11377505 >>11374726 NO, IT'S CENSORSHIP! MUH FREEZE PEACH! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:05:29 2018 No.11377511 File: 14 KB, 300x169, a11892fd3ed5479fc7cb92bf3008aa57.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11377457 Trump will get him a job digging coal and shit.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:07:32 2018 No.11377516

>>11377430
I never said that. I said they arguably are something between public and private property because billions of people use it.

I'm well aware that this is more of a philosophical argument than an actual political one. I don't support the state controlling private companies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:14:25 2018 No.11377530 >>11372782 Congratulations! You have once again succeeded in posting a thinly-veiled 'literature' thread with the intention to gossip like a schoolgirl!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:16:26 2018 No.11377535 >>11376048 Fuck, are you autistic or something? You'd have to be to not realize I was openly contemptuous of your mendacious faggotry. Mocking your thick-headedness does not count as "passive-aggressive".

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:23:17 2018 No.11377567 >>11377535 Sure now you are directly insulting me, previously it wasn't as overt. Carry on with your seething.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:26:05 2018 No.11377577

>>11377516
>because billions of people use it.
But a company undeniably hold the rights to the website. Unless Google goes full Berners-Lee or we suddenly stop respecting private property rights, it is private property.

You probably can say free speech is about being free to say what you want, but nobody is obliged to listen to you

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:29:49 2018 No.11377588 >>11377577 I know they do. Tell me, are you incapable of entertaining thoughts that aren't the status quo?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:32:45 2018 No.11377603 File: 60 KB, 320x312, Defintions_are_for_pussies.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11377588 No, but I am incapable of abusing terms and their definitions to propagate my own ends.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:36:59 2018 No.11377617

>>11377603
>abusing terms and their definitions to propagate my own ends.

Meanwhile, you have zero problem with federal laws and constitutional provisions being upheld in other circumstances on private property.

Apparently, since Twitter and Youtube are private property, this means that within their property the 13th Amendment doesn't exist and they can employ slave labor.

Or am I wrong, and this isn't what you're arguing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:40:15 2018 No.11377638 >>11377617 >Or am I wrong, Yes you are, I have made no claims or even mentions about what the other federal laws and constitutional provisions in this thread, to guess what my positions are is maliciously projecting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:40:58 2018 No.11377644 >>11375400 GAMERS RISE UP bottom text

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:43:17 2018 No.11377653 >>11377638 >Yes you are Well, my argument was this entire thread, and is now, that just like the 13th Amendment is upheld on private property, the 1st Amendment should also, everything else is unconstitutional.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:46:23 2018 No.11377671 >>11377653 1st amendment is to prevent government from doing something(silencing people). 13th is to empower it to do something (crush slavery). Private or public property is irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:49:16 2018 No.11377679 >>11372812 The Laura Ingalls Wilder Award is being changed into something else that has nothing to do with her because one of her characters expressed negative views about Indians (even though there were other characters that didnt feel that way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:50:17 2018 No.11377686 >>11377671 So what you're essentially saying is that free speech actually doesn't exist in the United States. In practice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:53:14 2018 No.11377703 >>11377686 In that which Congress has violated the 1st Amendment? I am sure there are some cases.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 13:59:20 2018 No.11377732

>>11377703
No, I was talking more about a private company having the right to police language within their property; this essentially means that every private property is a tyranny, given that only around 50% of the US is public property, and it's concentrated in the Midwest.

So if you actually want to speak your mind in California or New York you have to either walk out onto a public road, or drive a couple of hours to a forest, to be able to enjoy free speech.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 14:02:18 2018 No.11377749 >>11377732 Sure, that is more or less true. So?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 14:03:07 2018 No.11377753 >>11376101 They are trying to supress this novel by claiming that it's racist and promotes the wrong values. It's not necessary to ban something when you can you can make people believe that the piece of art is morally wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 14:04:28 2018 No.11377758 >>11377749 >Sure, that is more or less true. Well I think it's retarded. I think the federal government should enforce free speech everywhere the same way the enforce anti-trust laws.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 14:09:10 2018 No.11377780 >>11377679 That's like calling for a critical re-evalution of Ulysses because of that guy in the book who talks about how much he hates Jews

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 14:10:20 2018 No.11377788 It's disgusting how they originally used her name to gain clout only to now strip her name from it and claim her work is racist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 14:15:35 2018 No.11377811 >>11377758 But they can't unless they stop caring about property rights

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 14:18:35 2018 No.11377826 >>11377811 Enforcing anti-trust laws, tort, and a whole host of other things is already not respecting property rights. At least enforcing free speech would be a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 14:22:13 2018 No.11377844 File: 912 KB, 1548x1024, Tekashi-69-feb-2018-billboard-1548.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11377788 These fuckin clout chasers bruh

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 14:23:29 2018 No.11377852 >>11377826 So you wish to obey property laws as and when you wish? Don't be wishy-washy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 14:24:31 2018 No.11377857 >>11377852 Exceptions to a rule, doesn't mean the rule doesn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:11:01 2018 No.11378106 They don't want to celebrate someone who wrote racist shit so they don't call the award by their name anymore. This is entirely reasonable and you all might as well be Redditors.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:12:23 2018 No.11378114 >>11378106 yeah because Reddit is so keen on racism and doesnt ban and delete anything mildly racist from 95% of its boards

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:12:39 2018 No.11378118 >>11378106 >If you just delete history it wasn't real

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:14:31 2018 No.11378129

>>11376115
Damn, you have to pay money to host everyone else's content otherwise you're censoring them? That's news to me.

Just so you know, I'm gonna put up communist propaganda on your house and business then cry about censorship when you don't pay the upkeep to keep the poster looking nice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:15:32 2018 No.11378136 >>11378129 >pay money to host everyone else's content i dont think you understand how youtube's monetization works lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:17:35 2018 No.11378152 >>11377758 Do you support anti-discrimination laws?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:17:46 2018 No.11378153 >>11378129 >a company hosting a social media platform on the internet is analogous to my actual physical property and it's wall lul

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:18:41 2018 No.11378157 >>11378118 Nice strawman

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:20:33 2018 No.11378174 >>11378152 >Do you support anti-discrimination laws? What kind?

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:21:59 2018 No.11378181

>>11378118
>we no longer believe this to be a high standard for quality therefore we won't actively celebrate it
Yeah, really looks like deleting history. It's still fucking there, and if anything more people are going to be aware of it thanks to this news. Stop hiding behind this clearly unrelated argument and just double down that you don't give a shit about racism. It's okay, you're on /lit/, you don't have to make an attempt to look like a worthwhile person to talk with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:22:23 2018 No.11378184 >>11378174 The ones that prevent businesses from discriminating against minorities, for example

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:24:24 2018 No.11378192 >>11375805 I'm quoting you

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:25:10 2018 No.11378195 >>11378184 Honestly, I don't. If people reserve the right to deny service to someone who is drunk, I don't see why it shouldn't apply to anyone else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:25:56 2018 No.11378199 >>11378195 well by that measure Youtube can deny service to racists if it wants.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:26:08 2018 No.11378202

>>11375832
>what I got a problem with is that the shit they're pushing sucks aesthetically
This. I would be a lot more okay with culture shifts if they weren't moving us all into a much uglier world. The 1960s counterculture had a lot going for it, and that includes the way it looked. It's a shame because the alt-right doesn't have a sense of style and it hampers their effectiveness among normal people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:26:20 2018 No.11378204 >>11378181 >just double down that you don't give a shit about racism Right, so you actually agree that it is censorship based on anti-racism. Well, that's my only point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:28:08 2018 No.11378211 >>11378199 Except the difference is that in a normal business someone else has to do work FOR you, e.g make you a coffee or a cake. On Youtube everyone creates their own content and Youtube only supplies the server space.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:30:57 2018 No.11378224

>>11378211
Supplying the server space is a form of “work” too. You are just engaging in mental gymnastics in order to explain how you can support private discrimination against minorities and oppose private discrimination against conservatives at the same time.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:31:14 2018 No.11378225

>>11372782
should have said

“there were no humans here, only G*rmans”

because the red man has a much larger solar endowment than european, by orders of magnitude. one would have to reincarnate twenty-fifty times to receive the spirit of a red specimen

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:33:56 2018 No.11378234

>>11378224
this, I'm conservative and even though I hate that youtube has the policies it does, it's perfectly within its rights to terminate an account at will
laws that apply to small businesses (the supreme court cake case) also apply to big businesses, and you're holding the two to different standards

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:33:56 2018 No.11378235

>>11378224
>support private discrimination against minorities and oppose private discrimination against conservatives at the same time.

lol, if leftists don't want to bake a cake for a conservative wedding be my guest, I'm not going to care, unlike you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:35:01 2018 No.11378240 >>11378235 But you care that YouTube (a private company) doesn't want to give you server space for an arbitrary reason, even though they're allowed to by law.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:43:56 2018 No.11378274

>>11378240
Yes I do care, because I don't think Twitter, Youtube or Facebook are analogous to a bumfuckville cake store. They have billions of users among them, so I don't think it's a lot to ask that they have higher standards than rednecks or liberals who don't want to bake a cake, refuse to sell gum to a black guy, or hate Republicans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:47:22 2018 No.11378289 >>11378274 >waaah they're popular so the laws shouldn't apply to them the same way they do to less popular businesses! get fucked. you wouldn't defend a famous person who refuses to pay their taxes on the basis that they're more popular.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:55:18 2018 No.11378323

>>11378289
>laws shouldn't apply to them

That isn't what I am saying. What I am saying is that they should be held to higher standards.

Besides, you're telling me that I just want to have minorities discriminated against, and conservatives not discriminated against; meanwhile, in the real world if Youtube or Facebook actually did discriminate against black people, there would be a media uproar the likes of which never has been seen before, and yet you're implying I'm whining when I say I want freedom across the board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:56:15 2018 No.11378326 >>11378211 idk i dont think that bears up m8 and I am rabidly pro free speech. If youtube dont want to host people they dont have to

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:59:53 2018 No.11378344

>>11378323
>laws shouldn't apply to them THE SAME WAY
My argument is that you are holding large and small businesses to different standards, which is retarded and goes against basic conservative economic theory.
also
>"in the real world, if youtube and facebook did this thing they would never do in the real world, there would be a media uproar"

>>11378326
this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 15:59:53 2018 No.11378345 >>11378323 >I want freedom across the board. So, you think that private business should be allowed to discriminate against right-wingers?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 16:01:05 2018 No.11378354 >>11378345 companies should not be compelled to follow non-discrimination policies because doing so would reduce their potential for success. merit-based hiring trumps quotas for diversity every time

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 16:02:24 2018 No.11378362 >>11378345 >should be allowed to Of course, but should they? I don't think they should. Why is it acceptable to discriminate on the basis of political affiliation?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 16:02:45 2018 No.11378364 >>11372782 reminder: niggers have an average iq in the US of 85-90 and in Africa of 75-85 ; to be clear this is a full SD below white populations. Treating them with disdain is as natural as treating chimps and children with mild disdain is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 16:03:24 2018 No.11378369 >>11378354 I’ll take that as a “yes”.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 16:04:37 2018 No.11378373 >>11378364 Do you think that Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians should treat white people like monkeys?

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 16:08:57 2018 No.11378402

>>11378373
Jewish avg iq is 108-110, East Asian is 106-108; that’s 1/3 of an SD higher than Germans, Swedes, Australians and Dutch. So no, that’s a small gap and there are more than enough whites above 115 iq to make up for their dregs. About 1/20 to 1/30 african americans have an avg Askhenazi IQ, about 1/3 whites do. White trash are subhumans, middleclass normies who have 103 iq are subhuman, most white college students and professionals are not lower iq than avg jew or chink or nip.

Even most African students have a lower iq than the average uneducated chink or jew. They’re not even remotely the same as caucasoids and mongoloids. Beautiful people, athletic, cheerful, entertaining, absolutely retarded subhumans

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 16:13:36 2018 No.11378428 >>11378369 >I’ll take that as a “yes”. Answer my post.>>11378362

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 16:19:51 2018 No.11378467 >>11378428 Discrimination on the basis of political beliefs is not as bad as discrimination on the basis of race or biological sex because you can choose your political beliefs, but you can’t choose your race or sex.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 16:29:18 2018 No.11378506

>>11378467
It's still discrimination. You're still denying someone a service based on arbitrary things.

You are just engaging in mental gymnastics in order to explain how you can support private discrimination against political opponents and oppose private discrimination against minorities at the same time.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 16:55:46 2018 No.11378627

>>11378467
But the left keeps telling me that sex is changeable. If that's true then sexism by your own standard should be acceptable behavior since it's something that people can change.

Aside from that you're assuming that political beliefs are completely malleable and you ought to justify the assertion because I don't think anyone is capable of waking up in the morning with completely opposite political beliefs and this is something we should expect to happen if they were in fact malleable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 17:00:48 2018 No.11378658 >>11372782 Did you see this on the Ben Shapiro show

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 18:17:43 2018 No.11378974 >>11377732 Congratulations, you've now realized that privatization is not liberation, unless you hold it to the same standards as you do your democratically elected government, which you can't.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 18:20:58 2018 No.11378985

>>11378118
Ceasing to celebrate something is different from censoring it. Nobody has removed anyone from any history books, nobody has removed any books from circulation. They did censor one word, however. If you think that's significant, or that future generations will be unaware of the prevalence of overt racism in the 19th century as a result of it, then... well, shit, I don't know what then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 18:22:53 2018 No.11378999 >>11378627 Not him, but yeah, changing your sex/gender/whatever is probably gonna lead to you being subjected to much less discrimination, ain't it?

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 18:30:44 2018 No.11379025

>>11378999
I think you're confused. He says that discrimination based on politics ought to be acceptable because it's not intrinsic to who you are. In contrast he says that sexism is unacceptable because it is unchangeable and I use the lefts own position on sex to disagree. None of us are talking about the levels of discrimination particular identities face so I don't know why you think it's relevant to implicitly say people who change their gender face more discrimination.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 18:45:14 2018 No.11379078

>>11379025
When you use an example, the actual result of following the course of action described by your example does matter. Following your example would lead to the exact opposite result of how you used it. For that matter, there is no such thing as a "leftist" position on the topic of gender and identity. Opinions don't automatically conform to the currently held positions of the American two-party system. And you are talking about the levels of discrimination people in different situations face, or the level of which these can be avoided by the individual. One can avoid political persecution by changing position. One can't avoid persecution by changing one's gender (except by changing it back after having changed it once). If one could make discrimination against oneself disappear by transitioning, then I'm fairly certain anon wouldn't have considered it an example of discrimination that you can't avoid.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 18:59:53 2018 No.11379127

>>11379078
I'm well aware that not every leftist conforms and believes the exact same things. Generalities are useful in conversation because it's too impractical to qualify everything that's said and it's usually not necessary for any reasonable person. If you don't agree that sex is changeable then I obviously wasn't talking about you.

If it should be acceptable to discriminate against people based on political positions because it's changeable then it ought to also acceptable to discriminate against people based on sex if it is indeed changeable. Whether or not people will face discrimination on an individual is irrelevant because we're talking about whether or not things ought to acceptable on a societal and legal level. We're talking about the line which distinguishes acceptable and unacceptable discrimination and not the results of who actually gets discriminated against.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 19:06:51 2018 No.11379148

>>11379127
>Generalities are useful in conversation
"Left/Right" is never a useful generality. "Democratic/Republican" is useful, and only in the context of the U.S.. The other anon himself didn't agree with biological sex being changeable either, or at least I think it's safe to assume so, given that he used it as an example of something you couldn't change. Your example seems to have touched the other kind of sex, the identity one, but that's not what he was talking about, both by his wording and what he used it as an example of.
Also, the basis of his point that it's LESS BAD (which is not the same as it being acceptable) to discriminate against people for situations they're able to affect is presumably because they can then lessen the amount of discrimination they face. An example where affecting their situation would lead to even more discrimination is not covered by that argument.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 19:16:00 2018 No.11379176 >>11379148 >"Left/Right" is never a useful generality P.S. Other than for propaganda, demagoguery, social bonding with like-minded etc..

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 19:16:05 2018 No.11379179 >>11379148 Not him, but either way it's stupid. You can change your hair color, or your football team affiliation too, it doesn't mean it's acceptable discrimination to deny service to people because of it.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 19:23:33 2018 No.11379203

>>11379179
He said "it's not as bad," which I suppose makes it the lesser evil in his eyes, since what can be changed and what can't be changed are at direct odds in this case, where discrimination against the unchangeable (sex, race etc.) can be acceptably solved through discimination against the changeable (political opinions against sex, race etc.). On youtube and similar sites, you either allow political discrimination against unchangeable things, or you discriminate against that discrimination.
A better example would probably be that it should then be similarly unacceptable to allow discrimination against white men (which is not something I consider a major issue, but which does fit his example of discrimination that shouldn't be allowed).

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 19:24:17 2018 No.11379208

>>11379148
I'm bored with this now because you're just assuming you know what he thinks which is ultimately irrelevant because I'm saying that if sex is changeable then it would be acceptable to discriminate based on sex and the point is that malleability itself is not a good way to distinguish acceptable and unacceptable forms of discrimination. It doesn't matter whether or not he or you or anyone else personally believes sex is changeable.

As far is the left/right dichotomy being useless I disagree. Every reasonable person knows that by "the left" I'm referring to particular progressive types who believe that type of stuff. If not that's okay too because I can explain if it's misunderstood. The generalization is useful because it's impracticable to qualify everything that's said, if we did have to qualify everything we would be talking like academic papers and sound like robots. I could give a number of examples demonstrating the usefulness of such generalities but that's sufficient for your universal declaration.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 19:47:31 2018 No.11379308

>>11379208
>you're just assuming you know what he thinks
And since my assumption is based entirely on his pretty clear wording, it's also not taken out of thin air.
>Every reasonable person knows that by "the left" I'm referring to particular progressive types who believe that type of stuff
No, you were referring to him and me in this case, and making us part of a perceived group that you have no good reason to think we're part of. If it so easily leads to misunderstandings that need to be explained and resolved (and by the people you wrongfully make assumptions about, rather than by yourself), then it's at worst a hinderance to informed debate and at best a delay, and thus useless.
>I could give a number of examples demonstrating the usefulness of such generalities but that's sufficient for your universal declaration
It isn't sufficient, and I'd like you to give that number of examples, so that I can hopefully show you why it's both useless and a detriment.
>I'm saying that if sex is changeable then it would be acceptable to discriminate based on sex
And you're the only one so far to say that it is changeable. The anon said "you can’t choose your race or sex": to me, that doesn't suggest he thinks sex is changeable. So what relevance does your counter-example have if it doesn't contend anything he said?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 19:50:22 2018 No.11379321 >>11379308 I don't read posts that greentext me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 19:54:34 2018 No.11379337 >>11379321 >*I don't read posts that don't greentext me FTFY.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 20:06:58 2018 No.11379385 >>11375391 >>11375832 This is exactly what has happened with Little Black Sambo and Uncle Remus. Once considered classics, now they are almost completely forgotten about.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 20:10:25 2018 No.11379393 >>11379385 Do you miss chivalric romance, too? Were da Joos behind Don Quixote?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 20:17:43 2018 No.11379406 >>11379385 The craziest part is how they are trying to pathologize being against it too, like this guy>>11379393

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 20:19:20 2018 No.11379421 >>11376241 It was their lands you dumb fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 21:03:27 2018 No.11379590 File: 431 KB, 800x800, 1527960580760.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11377505 Imagine the person who posted this

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 22:08:56 2018 No.11379888

>>11379385
>Uncle Remus
I remember the whole Uncle Remus thing.
I'm old enough to remember when "Song of the South" was broadcast on the Disney Channel back in the early 80s. I even had an audiobook of it.

Then it started getting chopped up. The live action bits were reduced and slowly eliminated. Even the animated bits featured Brer Rabbit were gone by the mid-90s.

Pretty much all that remains is the wordless melody to "Zip-Ah-Dee-Doo-Dah" as part of the medley of great Disney songs.

The funny thing is that the Uncle Remus stories, were basically antebellum African-American oral tales recounted verbatim by Joel Chandler Harris from old slaves at the plantation he worked at as a paid laborer with the narrative framing device of "Uncle Remus".

No one else wrote that shit down because educated blacks of the time found it backwards and the blacks who did love the tales were all illiterate.

When they memory holed Uncle Remus, they basically erased the only written first-hand record of pre-war African-American oral folk culture.

Why? Because it was the son of an Irish immigrant that actually cared enough to record it and pass it down to children long after that way of life was a memory.

I find the irony boggling.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 22:12:47 2018 No.11379898

>>11379888
It's something I don't think gets said enough. This social justice warrior bullshit is corrosive to *all* cultures, whether it be ones that they're actively hostile against, or ones that they purport to be advocating for.

Whatever it is, whatever they touch whether to help or to harm, it just turns completely to shit.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 23:27:13 2018 No.11380211

>>11379421
The large majority of the land acquired by White settlers in North America was sold to them by Natives. If it was "their lands" then they had the right to sell them. If they didn't have the right to sell those lands then the lands weren't theirs to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 23:28:46 2018 No.11380219 >>11377505 >when your ideology is so dependent on supresssing dissent that you have a popular meme about the word 'free speech' ancient sumerian pottery restored for the 21st century

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 26 23:31:02 2018 No.11380227 >>11379421 me >>11380211 Additionally if you think that the Natives wouldn't have genocided the White settlers given the strength to do so you're just a moron.

Anonymous Tue Jun 26 23:54:52 2018 No.11380347

>>11379888
This is not true. Zora Neale Hurston, for example, collected and published black oral folk tales.

And no one has memory-holed Uncle Remus, his books can be found in any major American library collection. Br’er rabbit stories are still widely taught in college literature and folklore courses. There are still Br’er rabbit illustrated children’s books that you can find in any bookstore.

The main issue is with the Disney film adaptation, which peddled an image of a happy, singing slave that wud neva wish fo’ freedum, massa’ - a racist stereotype if there ever was one.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 00:07:41 2018 No.11380392

>>11373431
That is a lie. There certainly is more than one quote.

“The only good Indian is a dead Indian“ is a repeated quote in the novels, and though one character doesn’t agree, that character later says, “When white settlers come into a country, the Indians have to move on… That’s why we’re here, Laura. White people are going to settle all this country.”

The main family also goes to several minstrel shows to watch “those funny darkies” and imply that black people aren’t American, for some reason.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 00:14:57 2018 No.11380421

>>11380211
Do you know what unfair treaties are anon? Several of those “sales” were approved by Congress without a single native signature, signed at gunpoint, or just straight up promised payment that never materialized.

It was theft disguised by a thin veneer of legality. Read a history of Native Americans sometime.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 00:16:34 2018 No.11380428

> crusty burger literary award for kids changes its name

> immediate burger reaction crying "THEY'RE BANNIN OUR BOOKS"

They changed IHOP to IHOB. Removing "P," obvious code for PENIS from public discourse, feminizing our men into weak boy children and girl people.

International house of Penis not International house of Boobie Havers, OK??

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 00:21:15 2018 No.11380439

>>11380347
>Zora Neale Hurston
Wrote down those tales nearly 60 years after Harris and from a completely different area (Central Georgia versus Southern Alabama and the Florida Pandhandle). As an oral tradition it had certainly changed a bit in the telling from the late 1850s/early 1860s and moreover by the time she heard them for the first time as a girl, most of the pre-war generation was dead.

Hell, you can even see some touches of the reconstruction and Jim Crow in the way they suss out. An oral tradition is a living tradition and thus records from the earliest epoch are valuable.

Not that you'd even know shit about what you're talking about other than what garbage your ethnic studies teacher told you out of his ass because if you had known, you'd know that both in the movie and in the original books, the framing device of "Uncle Remus" is a sharecropper and the setting of the spoken tales to "the boy" were set in the 1870s-1880s, because, surprise surprise, Harris was a white southern reconciliationist, and the movies were scripted by Maurice Raph, who did his best to strip "Uncle Tom" tropes even further from the screenplay.

As for being able to easily find Harris' books in a library... well, the last unexpurgated edition that was published in mind for children as opposed to collectors or academics (large print with illustrations) came out in 2002... and try to find any copy that isn't some dusty moldering copy from the 50s and 60s that hasn't yet been found by the resident library busybody.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 00:30:29 2018 No.11380472

>>11380392
And what do you expect from people of that time and place? A full on dancing with wolves and Kumbayah session with Nat Turner and Geronimo?

By the standards of the time, Laura's Pa was pretty progressive in that he recognized some of them were decent and that genociding them wasn't very Christian. That said, he reflects a common mentality of the time that was held by nearly everyone, that the frontier was to be peopled and civilized.

By our standards we think that an injustice was done, but at the same time how does denying recognition of the quality and impact of Wilder's writing address any of it?

How does any of this fix anything other than making us ignorant of the past by allowing people to slowly take it away and re-write it piece by piece by pushing out the voices of the people who actually lived it and substituting instead narratives dominated by their ideological take on history?

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 00:46:52 2018 No.11380531

>>11380472
But the book isn’t banned anon, you can freely purchase it at bookstores and read all you want about the views of native americans at the time. The organizers of the award even said they “are not demanding that anyone stop reading Wilder’s books, talking about them, or making them available to children.”

They are refusing to celebrate her, but that’s not the same thing as damning her. It’s not that black and white.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 00:59:53 2018 No.11380566

>>11380531
The award is for merit in the field of children's literature. Not an award for "Children's author who is the best Reflection of the Mores of those who hold MLS and MFA degrees in 2018".

Honestly *everyone* who died before 2000 is going to fail that one. Just be fucking honest about why they're doing it. It has nothing to fucking do with Kid's Lit and all about the image they want to present and the way they want to reshape the genre.

They are refusing to celebrate her because she was a fucking product of her time and apparently no one can fucking mentally or emotionally process that without needing a public display where an unanimous vote is taken to strip a dead author's name from an award followed by a minute of standing applause by everyone in the room.

Jesus H. Fucking Christ, you people.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:09:50 2018 No.11380601
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>>11380439
I think you’re conflating the film and the book anon.

Harris did his best for his time and place, and Br’er rabbit is hardly forgotten among black people, thanks perhaps to his preservational work.

But the Disney movie does not have Harris’ excuse. The film was considered racist even for its time, as pic related, a headline from the New York Times the week the movie was released, proves.

No one has forgotten Song of the South either - it’s widely known along with that Fantasia short as that really racist Disney movie. And for the context of 1946, and not the 1880’s, that is pretty regressive.

The only think that has changed is that the movie and the book is no longer shown to kids unexpurgated. It is, however, widely watched and read by adults as a historical relic. Why does that upset you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:18:21 2018 No.11380630 >>11372782 and that's a good thing. Laura Ingalls Wilder was an avowed Nazi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:20:28 2018 No.11380641 >>11380566 >they are refusing to celebrate her because she was a product of her time The fucking assholes, we should force them to celebrate her.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:21:57 2018 No.11380647

>>11380601
Not him, but I have a problem with things (that are perhaps valuable in various ways) being relegated to "historical relic" status just because they make people uncomfortable. I don't know about this Disney movie, but if great works of literature, for instance, could only be looked at through the angle of "oh yeah, it's that old racist play" then that would necessarily limit people's engagement with the art itself and train them to think "these things that make me uncomfortable are simply a product of the author's time, I am completely justified in not seriously engaging with the ideas expressed within, because they are very obviously wrong. The blurb on the jacket says as much." Nobody ought to be so confident that a work is only of interest to them as a mere historical curiosity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:26:40 2018 No.11380665 >>11380647 And nobody ought to be so confident that a work is only interesting to anyone else as more than a mere historical curiosity.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:28:01 2018 No.11380671

>>11380601
See this is the fucking re-writing of history right here. It wasn't the NAACP that was protesting the movie, though to be fair, Walter White didn't care for it and said as much. It was the NNC, a small communist front group composed of student radicals. It had as much credibility among mainstream African-Americans as the New Black Panther Party did some 20 odd years later. Some blacks hated the movie, and some blacks actually liked it (Herman Hill Dec 3, 1946 Issue Pittsburg Courier).

And like I stated before the adapter of the screenplay was a liberal who did his best to strip negative Uncle Tom tropes from the script.

See, this sort of fucking bullshit is why I don't trust you faggots with anything. You probably believe what you're saying is historically correct with all your heart and that the more complex picture is just some racist /pol/lack shitposting on /lit/.

Here's a newsflash. I'm not even white. I just like the truth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:31:13 2018 No.11380676 If you change your mind on what your favourite book is that is not censorship. If you try to stop other people reading it that is censorship.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:32:18 2018 No.11380682

>>11380641
I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I'm saying that having a show trial followed by a standing applause congratulating themselves on their morality goes to show that is jack shit about children's lit and all about politics 2018, and as someone who cares about good lit, the truth and the moral and aesthetic complexity of art and history I want to call the appointed keepers of the genre out on their bullshit.

Like I have any power do make them do anything. All I can do is point out they have no clothes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:33:27 2018 No.11380685 >>11380682 I like nudity too.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:34:34 2018 No.11380687

>>11376130
Facebook and Youtube are enormous monopolies not only commercially but culturally. That they remain in private hands rather than free for everyone's use is a failure of our economic system and does not make them immune to criticism for the way they present or refuse to present content on their platforms.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:35:03 2018 No.11380689 File: 2.73 MB, 300x266, 1529419792039.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11380671 >I'm not even white

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:35:33 2018 No.11380690

>>11380665
Well that's why it's important to approach things with the right attitude and find out for yourself, I've met people that wouldn't even read things like the Merchant of Venice because it made them uncomfortable, and I don't want to see this attitude encouraged

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:36:33 2018 No.11380691 >>11380690 Now that's just bullshit, Merchant of Venice is one of the greatest plays of all time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:38:13 2018 No.11380695 >>11377852 Private property is already regulated, it's hardly a contradiction

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:38:28 2018 No.11380696 >>11380687 I agree, we should also send all neoliberals to reeducation camps and make soap out of Nazis.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:40:33 2018 No.11380699 >>11380696 So long as 're-education' means 'murder'

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:41:52 2018 No.11380702 >>11380695 I'm going put a sign on your lawn saying "I like sucking donkey dick". If you take it down you're censoring me. Deal?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:43:00 2018 No.11380704 File: 5 KB, 300x180, gene.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11380699 It always does

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:44:04 2018 No.11380708 >>11380702 Who am I to stop you advertising your fetishes anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:45:24 2018 No.11380710 >>11380708 Cool. I'll also sign it in both our names

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 01:58:25 2018 No.11380744

>>11380647
But that’s not happening to classic literature, aside from a few provocateurs and well-intentioned student activists. Despite the controversy that has surrounded Huck Finn for decades, it’s still commonly read, even in high schools. Lovecraft is as popular as ever, with Chthulu becoming a meme among normies. Ezra Pound is still included in literary anthologies, histories of poetry, and college curriculums.

You can find any of their works at a library, a college, or a bookstore.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 02:23:32 2018 No.11380819

>>11380744
I'm not worried about the ease of finding a work so much as the poisoning of the well with regard to how the work is approached. The more the discourse shifts into the mode of "let us narrow in on every facet of this work that offends our sensibilities," the more people will be conditioned to only approach potentially "problematic" works on these terms.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 05:36:39 2018 No.11381262 >>11378402 So essentially you're saying, let's compare above average whites with the average Japanese or Chinese and then celebrate when they perform equally. Also, you do know that IQ becomes irrelevant past about 120 right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 05:57:32 2018 No.11381303 >>11380819 But you have no problem with people poisoning the well for books written by gays, lesbians, blacks, women, etc

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 06:38:11 2018 No.11381387 >>11381374 It totally wasn't the Right trying to ban punk, metal and hip hop albums, or vidya, or films, or fucking Harry Potter books, no siree.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 06:40:07 2018 No.11381393 >>11381387 this person is talking about the recent trend of SJWs censoring things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 06:41:52 2018 No.11381399 >>11381393 Define SJW. And then define censorship. Then provide examples.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 06:44:12 2018 No.11381406 >>11380219 >when your understanding of what free speech is is so laughably flawed that you force people to make a meme version of the word just to keep the two concepts separated

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 06:58:33 2018 No.11381431 >>11380472 Anon, I assure you that nobody is going to become ignorant of racism and injustice against Native Americans as a result of this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 07:00:52 2018 No.11381437 >>11380566 >she was a fucking product of her time So what? Thing we don't stand for anymore should never cease to be celebrated simply because they were a product of their time?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 07:05:26 2018 No.11381447 OP is retarded but is stripping/renaming of its accolades its had for something like a century because of modern PC attitudes something were supposed to be ok with?

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 07:05:48 2018 No.11381448

>>11380682
Anon, it's BECAUSE it's children literature that people don't want racism in it. Do you know what children are? Stupid, quick to absorb things they hear. That's why a society that generally frowns on racism tries not to subject its children to media that promotes racism until they're old enough for at least slightly mature critical thinking.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 07:10:40 2018 No.11381457

>>11380819
What fucking discourse exists surrounding Little House on the Praire besides the racism one? It's a centuries old children's novel. This topic creates the only debate this book has seen in decades. It brings attention to the book, it doesn't force the book or its merits into obscurity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 07:11:15 2018 No.11381462 >>11381447 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 07:13:18 2018 No.11381466 >>11381447 What does the name matter? It promotes the same things. The prize's name isn't of literary or cultural value.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 07:20:48 2018 No.11381487

>>11381466
It matters to misguided conservatives(they all are) because preserving the status quo is their raison d'etre, even if it means changing the name The Nigger of the Narcissus to something more palatable to black people(with whom the novel greatly empathises). It doesn't matter if things change for the better, the problem is that they change. Being a conservative is essentially a losing battlr for fools.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 08:10:22 2018 No.11381597 >>11376130 >youtube, facebook etc are not public services. they have no obligation to uphold your version of "free speach". Unless the feelz of fags and blacks are at stake, amirite?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 08:10:39 2018 No.11381598 >>11372782 >>11372802 >>11373027 I think I want to shoot myself dead. I get so depressed when I read stuff like this. It really makes me want to die. It's all so pointless

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 08:15:29 2018 No.11381608 >>11381598 trolled hard

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 08:20:34 2018 No.11381621

>>11380421

Conquest is not theft anon. Furthermore, theft can only occur when I steal something that belongs to you, and a necessary condition for it belonging to you is that you consider it as such, that is, consider it as belonging to you. Now, don't we have good reasons to believe that the Natives did not have the same conception of ''land ownershirp'' as the europeans did? In that sense there was never a theft to begin with.

If you insist on it being theft though, you'd have to agree to all wars of conquest being acts of thievery, and I suppose that, believing this, a lot land owned by countries would not actually belong to them anymore.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 08:26:44 2018 No.11381641 >>11381487 You have literally not read a single book on conservatism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 08:30:44 2018 No.11381655 >>11381597 Unless the feels of everyone are at stake. Keyboard nazis and incels are not everyone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 08:31:46 2018 No.11381659 >>11381641 Neither have conservatives.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 08:42:10 2018 No.11381682 >>11381659 You KNOW that's not true.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 08:45:17 2018 No.11381687 >>11372782 the freakin' SJW ZOG pu[ppets stupids striek a fuK In gain AHHHHHHHHHHHHAHahjahahawaeraw4t

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 09:06:52 2018 No.11381756

>>11381487

You should really read Achebe’s essay on Conrad, widely available on the internet. Conrad’s empathy drifted towards the novel savage rather than seriously considering black people as equals. Not that it is justification for uselessly changing the title though.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 10:00:27 2018 No.11381902

>>11381756
>achebe
>that stupid fuck that cried racism about HoD because black dehumanized slaves are portrayed as servile victims
>which was the point of the book

Yeah, no. Conrad was sympathetic to the Congolese and West Indies blacks as opressed people in their own land(or forced into exile), much like he left his native Poland.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 12:59:00 2018 No.11382531 >>11381448 Sorry, I hold children in higher regard than you do. Besides it's not like this infantilization of the culture is focused on things for children.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 13:04:56 2018 No.11382554

>>11381437
Fucking context, you obtuse faggot. In setting up the dialogue, she revealed that by the standards of the time her father had an enlightened take compared to her mother.

Jesus Christ, I hope future generations judge ours as harshly and uncharitably as we do our antecedents. The fucking hubris and moral self-regard is just so fucking corrosive and stifling.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:00:16 2018 No.11382800 >>11381406 >When you think that speech you don't like is not free speech because you're an authoritarian faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:01:10 2018 No.11382804 >>11381902 achebe cried racism because conrad depicted the salves as animals. Jesus christ that's so obvious

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:01:20 2018 No.11382806 >>11381687 Progressives are pathetic desu

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:02:27 2018 No.11382811

>>11382554
actually its just colonist propaganda, the only reason you think that is a fair characterization is because you've been sucking from the test of colonialism your entire life. Nothin honest about it. People like Wilder were handed free land and still managed to be terrible boring people.

The irony of lit-pseuds defending teenlit trash is kind of hilarious tho good thread

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:07:39 2018 No.11382830

>>11380566
>the only reason people weren't egalitarian autist progressives was because lol old people amirite?
I really hate this meme. There have been autistic progressives for centuries who are even more radically egalitarian and secular than people today. I don't know if this is just some kind of "lesson" progressive public schools drill into children, but the ideologies of today are really not as different from what they were 2 centuries ago.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:09:33 2018 No.11382835

this book series helped me learn how to read and actually gave me interest in treating everyone with respect. I've read every single book in the series and I can not begin to understand how people get the impression that anyone in that family was racist or excluding of anyone...

This is as bad as people hating on Mark Twain to me

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:19:46 2018 No.11382864

>>11382554
>by the standards of the time
But not in this time, and do you know when today's children are going to read this? In this time. If you want to use it as a reference for historical attitudes, then you can still do so, but children have no such interests. That's what this is about: children. It's a children's novel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:29:48 2018 No.11382906 >>11382800 >tfw Mein Kampf isn't require reading in middle school despite its historical significance It's fucking 1984 all over again, I swear.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:40:22 2018 No.11382948 >>11382811 Man, this bait is too obvious even for me to bite. You shoulda stuck with brevity. At least then you had a chance of me taking it seriously.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:45:41 2018 No.11382971 >>11372802 It's a comfy read indeed. My teacher read it to my class in 4th grade when we were learning about the pioneers in Canada.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:46:02 2018 No.11382973

>>11382864
Great, I really hope they strip the awards given to people today 100 years from now because people of the future realize that art of our era was recognized by how well the recipient could participate in circle-jerking each other in moral self-gratification and not by how well they wrote.

Fuck, does our time really deserve historical contempt.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:47:21 2018 No.11382979 I've been reading an old edition of Don Quixote and there are a few comments here and there about how Jews and non Christians in general cannot be trusted. Are those comments still present in more current editions?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:49:02 2018 No.11382990 >>11372782 Banning books now? That's how Nazis started the purification. Good luck, US.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:53:07 2018 No.11383012 >>11382973 Has it occurred to you that maybe you're just really bitter and depressed and as a result looking for the slightest excuse to feel justified in your ceaseless complaining?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 14:54:08 2018 No.11383017 >>11382990 First they burned the Reichstag.

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 15:02:38 2018 No.11383069

>>11376829
This so much.

Twitter/YouTube/any private platform open to the public has every right to delete shit that makes them look bad. If you're running a billion dollar business of course you'll make the coddled college kids happy and remove anything not of the current moral zeitgeist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 15:31:01 2018 No.11383206 >>11383012 Have you ever considered you're a giant fucking faggot, anon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 15:45:13 2018 No.11383271 >>11372782 >prairiefags Where my /Sarah Plain and Tall/ nibbas at?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 19:29:14 2018 No.11384080 >>11383206 I'm fairly certain my analysis of your angsty, self-righteous and self-fixated teenage psyche is more on point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 21:20:58 2018 No.11384464 >>11372782 SAD!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 21:29:34 2018 No.11384484 >>11384464 did you really need to bump such a shit non-thread? are you op?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 21:48:14 2018 No.11384533 >>11384080 And I'm pretty sure that the place where your soul should be has been replaced by a piece of distended goat rectum.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 21:51:43 2018 No.11384547 Yfw elitist /lit/ loses its shit over a children's book. >>11375400 The absolute state of this board...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 22:09:58 2018 No.11384619 >>11375400 >readers You hope

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 22:14:23 2018 No.11384634 >>11383069 Not sure you understood my point completely but whatever. I don't want to use any platform that doesn't uphold the principle of free speech.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 22:21:05 2018 No.11384658 >>11384634 you're replying to a post that is 12 hours old. Changing the name of a prize isn't a free-speech or censorship issue. haven't you got bigger fish to fry? are you autistic?

Anonymous Wed Jun 27 22:34:36 2018 No.11384697

>>11384658
Meh, for me it's more it's just a sign of the times that I can do nothing to change.

What it means is just another thing turning shitty because the side of the culture war that wants to sanitize all art and reward only that which conforms to an ideological standard as opposed to anything intrinsic in the work itself has won yet another fucking battle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 27 22:47:35 2018 No.11384747 >>11380347 my family unrionically owned happy slaves, you cuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 28 04:06:47 2018 No.11385404 >>11384747 >happy Why don't you become a slave then, don't you wanna be happy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 28 08:29:24 2018 No.11385938 >>11384533 Do you unironically believe in souls?

Anonymous Thu Jun 28 13:34:44 2018 No.11386675

>>11381902
that's not the argument Achebe makes anon.

Achebe argues that Conrad implies all through HoD that black people are (noble) savages by nature, and only disproves of black slaves/servants because subjugation forbids them from living as they authentically are - that is, like subhumans. Sure, I guess, that's better than genocide, but its still a racist attitude, in that it still implies black people are inferior.

Read the essay again, if you ever read it in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 28 18:03:33 2018 No.11387756 >>11374735 Ok goldstein

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 28 18:04:36 2018 No.11387761 >>11375697 What do you expect from a subhuman amerimutt?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 28 18:07:14 2018 No.11387770 >>11376120 >believing There is your problem you worthless subhuman trash. You believe things. Next time use your fucking brain shitskin nigher. Neck yourself.

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