A Philosophy Destroyed in 40 Seconds

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A Philosophy Destroyed in 40 Seconds Anonymous Sat Jun 23 03:39:38 2018 No.11362906 [DELETED]

Can somebody explain the point of being a classical liberalism if you can be defeated so easily?

I'd rather be right than being a pretend center cuck like Peterson.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 03:40:23 2018 No.11362907 It's over bros. We finally defeated him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 03:42:42 2018 No.11362911 >>11362906 I never would have guessed a literally who comedian would be the one to take him down. I should have seen it coming- that's what happened to Cosby too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 03:43:45 2018 No.11362914 >>11362911 Sometimes it takes a David to defeat a Goliath, if you understand the reference. The point is the intellectual left can finally sleep well again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 03:43:51 2018 No.11362915 >>11362911 ban assault comedians

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 03:43:54 2018 No.11362916 >>11362906 >Someone admits they were mistaken about something when presented with a convincing argument >"Lol see guys everything he says is full of shit! He admitted it!" And people wonder why the west is in the state it's in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 03:46:20 2018 No.11362919 >>11362916 >people take click bait seriously and people wonder why the west is in the state it's in

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 03:51:34 2018 No.11362933

>>11362906
Because Peterson came out with his personal grievances over PC rules at his school, which got him a large fanbase of alt-right viewers. Now he doesn't want to lose these people, but it's also clear from this clip that he really isn't one of them and feels inclined to go for whichever side sounds like classical liberal (no on cake law) without actually giving himself time to ruminate until confronted by Jim. I imagine he's started to come-down from the provocateur high and is beginning to worry that this internet culture he was fit into is going to hurt him academically down the road. Something tells me he's not gonna want to be the Kekistani who hangs out with Dave Rubin too far into the future just because his articulation and Jungian analysis and distaste for PC movements garnered him that audience. I also imagine the defamation lawsuit is the first real sign of this as he wants to set an example of people who're already beginning to cut him out of the academic world for this new Web-based persona.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 03:57:15 2018 No.11362954 >>11362906 Why the fuck does he do so many interviews? Does he just love being in front of a camera that much, or is his publisher making him do it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:05:13 2018 No.11362975 >>11362954 Peterson? He's a youtube lecturer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:07:27 2018 No.11362977 >>11362906 BTFO T F F T OFTB

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:10:33 2018 No.11362986 >>11362954 He wants to be the next Milo I think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:11:28 2018 No.11362989 What was the argument?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:15:39 2018 No.11362997 Admitting he was wrong on something greatly enhance his status in my eyes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:17:04 2018 No.11363002 >>11362954 Nigga they pay him

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:19:20 2018 No.11363005 >>11362989 Jim says not forcing the wedding cake to be made for the gays is akin to when businesses were rejecting blacks. Peterson before this said it was ok to reject the gays, then he said the line in the image afterward.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:22:06 2018 No.11363009
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>mfw Socratic questioning is still the best method to sniff out a pseud

>>11362916
>>11362997
Petersonfags in full damage control

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:22:39 2018 No.11363010 >>11362954 He's a podcast philosopher. It's his job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:23:33 2018 No.11363015 >>11362989 Some race baiting shit that they use to end your career. JP came close to the edge, but eventually he played it safe so nothing happened.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:28:47 2018 No.11363019
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>>11363009
Learning the effectiveness of Socratic questioning was like discovering a goddamn cheat code. The only other thing I can think of that comes close is the hyphen. Extremely versatile - usable for anything that isn't a full stop.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:29:30 2018 No.11363021

>>11362933
This applies in a broader sense to what op said. All this comedian did was put him in a situation where Peterson had to take either a right or left position. You can only be a classical liberal/centrist as long as nobody asks you one of these questions. Then you have to show your true colours, which in Peterson's case exposed him as a pseud.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:30:14 2018 No.11363022 >>11363015 Vid related, starts at 4:40 https://hooktube.com/watch?v=QO9j1SLxEd0 Also, when I say "they" I mean the American media. Some other parts of the world have saner views on these issues.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:38:24 2018 No.11363043 If you actually read books rather than getting all your views from pseudtube, then you might actually find some good arguments for liberalism.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:38:53 2018 No.11363045

>>11363021
>had to take either a right or left position
Not really that, Peterson was forced to either say "Sexual Orientation is very fundamentally different from race" or admit that he is a massive hypocrite. He basically gave a non-answer, typical for Peterson.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:42:08 2018 No.11363055 >>11363045 Let's fucking kill him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:42:13 2018 No.11363057 >>11363045 >Sexual Orientation is very fundamentally different from race That's a way out. You could argue that sexuality is something you do rather than something you are

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:48:11 2018 No.11363067

>>11363057
Of course it's a way out. Having a certain sexual fetish by no means carries the same weight as your ethnic/racial identity. People who push for this sexual identity nonsense are literally retarded and if JP had a brain he would say that. Or maybe he's too much of a pussy, I'm not sure.

He's pretty confused on racial identity issues, especially when it comes to "white" people. See:
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=QO9j1SLxEd0

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:48:45 2018 No.11363068

>>11363057
Then that opens a new rabbithole to enter where the person asks more questions on why orientation is different from race and how does that justify discrimination and shit. It would have been interesting to see him justify himself. But again he took the pseud option and pussied out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:49:16 2018 No.11363069 >>11363067 oops, wrong link https://hooktube.com/watch?v=A5gIrlh8HSU

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:54:03 2018 No.11363084 >>11363068 How come only some sexual orientations are ok? Pedophiles and zoophiles should get their cakes too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:57:06 2018 No.11363088 >>11363068 >Then that opens a new rabbithole to enter where the person asks more questions on why orientation is different from race Because you choose to do gay shit, you don't voluntarily choose to be black

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:57:20 2018 No.11363089 >>11363067 >gender is a social construct! >MY DEFINITION OF GENDER SHOULD BE MADE LAW also, found /pol/ leaking again

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:58:57 2018 No.11363095

>>11363057
No, wrong way round I think. A better argument is to talk about what the baker does- in this case the baker wasn't refusing to -serve- a gay customer, but to perform a specific service which clashed with their beliefs. They would still (presumably) be happy to sell gay people cake, just as they would sell black people cake.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 04:59:30 2018 No.11363096 >>11363088 Tell that to Eminem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:01:34 2018 No.11363101 File: 908 KB, 900x1141, dd0cff46da3a4eeee6a61040500d8f7990fa57f9ccb8c6cedaf2ec4ef11eeab2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11363088 >>11363084 >trying to derail a thread about Peterson's pseud status to rights about LGBT

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:02:58 2018 No.11363105

>>11363095
There's a few counter arguments. In Britian we had a similar case. The bakers lawyers argued they were not refusing to sell cake, qua cake, to a gay couple, but were refusing to put a pro-gay message in the icing. They would happily bake a cake without the political message

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:03:01 2018 No.11363106 >>11363084 Because of consent. Fags are capable of it, children and animals are not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:04:02 2018 No.11363110 >>11363101 We're proving he's a pseud by demonstrating hairy palmed neets in their mothers' basements can think of better arguments than memerson

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:08:07 2018 No.11363118

>>11362916

>I don't know for sure what my IQ is, but it is in excess of 150
>I am a professor and I spend a long time thinking about these things

And then he is asked a question by a cokehead comedian, a question that's not even profound or original, and he cannot answer.

I agree that it is refreshing that he can admit his mistakes, but some mistakes are so basic that you are rightfully scorned for making them, especially when you're a 150 IQ genius professor and considered an infallible prophet by your greasy Patreon slaves.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:08:42 2018 No.11363120

What is the liberal argument against discrimination by private bodies, by the way? I mean, if I run a shop and refuse to serve anyone shorter than 5'10, isn't that just my free choice? Seems tricky to argue that short people have a greater right to buy things from my shop.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:09:09 2018 No.11363121 >>11363105 Was the compromise eventually something like the gays can write the message on the cake themselves afterwards? Wtf is a qua cake

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:09:36 2018 No.11363125 >>11363019 you're thinking of an em-dash, not a hyphen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:14:03 2018 No.11363132 >>11363106 Maybe consent is just a social construct to oppress those sexual orientations.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:15:27 2018 No.11363136 >>11362906 He's just a self-help author, give him a break.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:17:21 2018 No.11363137 >>11362906 The only thing he's wrong about is having been wrong. Freedom of association does and should mean you're allowed to choose whom to serve and whom not to serve.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:21:43 2018 No.11363148 >>11363132 Maybe you need to think up stronger arguments if you want to make the case that homosexuality and pedophilia are similar.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:28:50 2018 No.11363157 >>11363148 Not an argument

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:31:03 2018 No.11363159 File: 10 KB, 300x168, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11363121 >Wtf is a qua cake

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:31:36 2018 No.11363160

>>11363148
The notion that consent is the gold standard for determining whether an action should be illegal or not is a nice meme, but it doesn't hold up if you look at what's been considered moral historically or even if you look comparatively at the moral landscape today.

(Hard) drugs are illegal because of their damaging effects to individuals and communities, and the same type of argument was used against homosexuality in the past. Pedophilia is considered damaging to children, and that's why it's illegal. Children can legally consent to all kinds of activities, just not ones that are considered harmful or potentially harmful, so harm or potential harm is the real standard or at least a major factor in the moral consensus.

Sexual "liberation" is fundamentally changing the view of sex to the point where it could not be considered harmful or taboo under any circumstances, and so pedophilia will become legal within a couple of decades. Screencap this post.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:32:36 2018 No.11363161 >>11363148 Age of consent is 100% a social construct that changes in different cultures and different times. It used to be completely acceptable and even encouraged for 13 year old girls to be married to adult men (see Romeo and Juliet)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:35:22 2018 No.11363162 >>11363120 >individuals are free to discriminate >groups of people called businesses, organisations and governments aren't Doesn't that strike you as kind of stupid?

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:38:01 2018 No.11363166

>>11363148
They're both sexual orientations. The reason you gave on why pedophilia is wrong is that children can't consent, which while false in the first place it doesn't inherently make it bad. Who said a child can't say "yes?" An 18-year-old doesn't have a fully developed brain, yet we say they can consent. Whether a 12-year-old can consent is based on arbitrary societal standards. And where's the connection to nonconsent and "bad?" There is none naturally, except socially. Most animals commit rape without consequences. I'll remind you that slavery of African Americans was once socially accepted. Societal standards are always going to be arbitrary, but nature is true.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:42:28 2018 No.11363171

>>11363162
That's what I mean- what's the liberal argument against businesses freely choosing to discriminate? Doesn't seem easy to argue.

The government, on the other hand, should be easier. It's not just a 'group of people', it's the representative of all the people, and basic liberal principles require it to treat them equally.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:46:23 2018 No.11363177

>>11363120
most non-autistic liberals realize that rights like the right to free speech or the right to hold arbitrarily hateful opinions are second-order rights that serve as tools to generally get a society with more liberty and less tyranny. But they are not "fundamental" or human rights, which are more basic rights about your personhood. If a society has an issue whereby the full expression of the second-order rights is egregiously violating some subpopulation's human rights, then of course more parameters on the scope of the second-order rights. But it's a potentially slippery slope because constraining a right tends to not be undone.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:47:57 2018 No.11363180

>>11363171
>what's the liberal argument against businesses freely choosing to discriminate?
They actually can discriminate in many ways. For example, they can refuse you entry to a night club or opera if you're dressed like a bum.

They can't discriminate against "protected classes" of people and these classes include various races and nowadays in the West probably also faggots and the like.
To become a protected class I think you need to show some history of discrimination.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 05:57:27 2018 No.11363199 >>11362906 Why should a Canadian know US civil rights laws?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:00:22 2018 No.11363204 >>11363199 Dude doesn't usually let not knowing anything about a subject hold him back #inspirational

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:02:46 2018 No.11363207 >>11363204 Examples?

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:06:03 2018 No.11363209

>>11363180
Depends on the definition of "they". Organizations can discriminate based on race or sex as long as they're private clubs, for example. This is OK because while bakers and 7-11 owners have to deal with blacks, WASP/Jewish politicians deserve to be spared because they're better than us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:06:09 2018 No.11363210 >>11363177 >arbitrarily hateful opinions Aaaaand it all hinges on a buzzword.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:13:52 2018 No.11363224

The distinction to be made is this: the cake maker isn't just making a cake for a gay guy. he's making a cake to be used in an event that he doesn't agree with, thereby to an extent endorsing the event.

If a black guy asks you to serve him like anyone else you should serve him like anyone else. If he says, "give me a bottle of coca-cola, so I can put it up my friends butt" the situation is different.

.. maybe. Just spitballing here

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:14:36 2018 No.11363225 >>11363207 https://www.viewpointmag.com/2018/01/23/postmodernism-not-take-place-jordan-petersons-12-rules-life/ Apart from any of the detail, it's beyond absurd that he claims to criticise thinkers without actually citing any of their works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:16:05 2018 No.11363227 wait you have to serve black people in america?

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:16:41 2018 No.11363230

>>11363225
>He rose to fame when he was captured on video at a protest on the University of Toronto campus, telling transgender students he refused to use gender-neutral pronouns. He has since joined the ranks of Logan Paul and PewDiePie as a YouTube star. He mostly eschews writing, instead posting videos of lectures online for his primarily young, white, and male audience.
wew two obvious lies right there in the first paragraph.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:21:31 2018 No.11363235

>>11363230
Not that guy, but it's true that Peterson has no idea what he's talking about. I followed all his lectures in the beginning and got so intrigued by his absolute hatred of postmodernism that I went and read some of those thinkers, and it turns out they have absolutely nothing to do with any of the things he rants about. It's kind of amazing how oblivious he is, and how uninterested in getting a better grasp of anything. Granted, he is old.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:23:06 2018 No.11363242 >>11363235 He's the boomer mindset repackaged for a young 21st century audience, desu. "If the world is fucked, it's your fault for not having a job. Clean your room. Marxists are ruining the west. Hail capitalism." and so on and so forth sniff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:23:40 2018 No.11363245 >>11363235 Yeah Derrida had no interest or commonality with Marxism at all https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specters_of_Marx

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:24:03 2018 No.11363248 >>11363235 I love post-modernism after your post Gonna go abuse children and die of aids like all the great French thinkers

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:25:29 2018 No.11363252 >>11362916 Watching that interview actually improved my opinion of him.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:28:41 2018 No.11363264

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

this proved to me that peterson is a pseud who rambles about nothing while obfuscating obvious things with nearly incoherent jungianisms (which to me looks like a failed attempt, stemming out of 19th century theosophy to make a new racially based religion where white people are at the top of some hierarchy).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:30:55 2018 No.11363270 >>11363245 Who said that, anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:32:57 2018 No.11363282 >>11363270 literally anyone who's not retarded

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:33:39 2018 No.11363284 >>11363210 All hate is fundamentally arbitrary, my dude. There's a reason why emotional maturity is seen as a virtue.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:35:00 2018 No.11363291 >>11363282 He wrote a book called Spectres of Marx, bit of a weird choice if he had no interest in Marx.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:37:16 2018 No.11363298 >>11363264 The editor of that journal is the biggest pseud of all. His worldview is literally "basic bitch marxism 101" but he sells himself as if he's this deep insightful intellectual.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:38:45 2018 No.11363305

>>11363284
No, I'm saying that what is called a "hateful opinion" is completely arbitrary and only depends on what the people in power determine it to be.
The same opinion can be deemed to be "hateful" and "not hateful at all" by two disagreeing parties.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:39:01 2018 No.11363308

>>11363291
Discounting the fact that anon didn't even bring up post-modernism's connection to Marxism, I really have to wonder, why is Marxism seen as such an indefensible boogeyman to people like you?

I actually think communists are a bunch of ideological fools, but I will still accept insight where it is to be found, and Marxist critiques of capitalism are more than often very on-point. To shut yourself off from opposing viewpoints just because "commies are fags" is to more or less enslave yourself to society conditioning.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:41:24 2018 No.11363314

>>11362906
If people think stuff like this will make his fanboys give up, they really don't understand how these things work.

How did Peterson become this boogieman that the online left wants so desperately to take down? The guy's book promotes a plain-vanilla kind of conservatism, hardly the neo-Nazi stuff people claim it to be.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:41:50 2018 No.11363315

>>11363308
>and Marxist critiques of capitalism are more than often very on-point
>I'm t-totally not a m-marxist guys.
I mean, you don't fool anyone. The only people who actually think Marxist critiques of capitalism are "very on point" are either marxists or so philo-marxists that there's no point in making a distinction.
There surely are people who are critical of capitalism and are not marxists, but they don't think what you just stated.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:48:04 2018 No.11363328

>>11363308
Huh? I think one of us is confused. Here's the post chain:
>>11363245
(sarcastic) Derrida had no interest in Marxism
>>11363270
Who actually made that claim?
>>11363282
Anyone who's not retarded
>>11363291
But he obviously was interested in Marxism

I'm making no claims about the value of Marxism, just saying (a) Derrida had at least some interest in it, (b) nobody to my knowledge has denied this, and if they do it's easily refuted.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:50:21 2018 No.11363330 >>11363298 i agree, but his article quotes peterson's words, which are insane ramblings.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:52:22 2018 No.11363334 >>11363330 On that we agree. Peterson's speeches are either incoherent or unoriginal.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 06:52:36 2018 No.11363337

>>11363314
>How did Peterson become this boogieman that the online left wants so desperately to take down?

Because Peterson doesn't take fights he can't win. The left cannot take him down in a big stage.

The people he defends himself against are less literate than him, less articulate and less intelligent. So they call him names and he becomes more popular. They can't match up against him.

We don't know what would happen if he debated someone of his own size or greater. You'll only see him talk to Bill Maher tier TV personalities.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:02:55 2018 No.11363353 File: 513 KB, 800x600, 1437431748128.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw this entire thread

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:04:58 2018 No.11363356
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>>11362906

>get asked a trick
>gives a non-answer because he feel it's going to fuck him up and he doesn't have time to think in a 10 minutes interview
>woow he got btfo ahah what a pseud see how weak his argument is?

I don't get it. First, he never, to my knowledge, talked about the gay cake thing much before if at all. So the fact that you can get him on this subject isn't surprising. The schizoid in this thread are acting like it was a centerpoint of his entire arguments.

Secondly, do you really think you could have done better than him? If you've ever been interviewed you'll know that it's a bit different than answering questions behind your computer, with no pressure and the cover of anonymity.

People celebrating this as a great defeat of JP just show how obsessed they are, since they perceive such a small thing as a gigantic victory.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:05:49 2018 No.11363358

>>11363328
>I'm making no claims about the value of Marxism, just saying (a) Derrida had at least some interest in it, (b) nobody to my knowledge has denied this, and if they do it's easily refuted.
Interest in is different than commonality with. Derrida is also basically a performance artist doubling as a philosopher, which has two big consequences: 1) most of his writing is more akin to literature than traditional philosophy, and 2) anyone can quote things he wrote to make any point because he never sticks to making consistent points.

The Marx stuff is the great example of this. Derrida's deconstructionism is a complete rejection of the pseudo-scientific dialectical materialism that is the backbone of Marxism. However, there was a sort of performative aesthetic of saying you were a Marxist in 60's Paris, almost like an older version of LARPing. Marxism for Derrida is not a serious ideological tool, but rather a literary device. Thus you get this disconnect where folks who want to attack Derrida can say he was a Marxist, and folks who actually know anything about him would say that he is not; and so the two sides end up talking past each other.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:06:28 2018 No.11363359 >>11363298 >he sells himself as if he's this deep insightful intellectual. No he doesn’t? The topics he talks about are exceptionally bitch basic like his analysis

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:07:02 2018 No.11363360 >>11362906 >Jim Jefferies cares about Jordan Peterson col. comedien bitching on twiter.. funy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:07:43 2018 No.11363363 >>11363359 Yes, he does, read any piece he writes as a response to someone. He's pompous as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:08:40 2018 No.11363365 >>11363363 nah he actually makes an effort to use accessible language

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:10:02 2018 No.11363368 >>11363365 >he actually makes an effort to use accessible language using accessible language has nothing to do with being pompous...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:10:13 2018 No.11363369 >>11363358 True, anon was conflating interest and commonality.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:10:21 2018 No.11363370

>>11363252
I don't understand why he didn't point out that the issue is not whether you should sell cakes to certain demographics, but being compelled to create cakes that go against your beliefs. Simply selling a cake to a gay person is different than being legally compelled to create a rainbow wedding cake for a gay marriage. It's laughably easy to prove to even the most deluded liberals as well when you ask if a Jewish baker should be forced to make a cake that says "Gas the Kikes, Race War Now" if a neo-nazi comes into their store.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:10:32 2018 No.11363371 >>11363365 Where have I said that he uses big words? I said he's pompous and it's evident from the way he responds to people. Sorry if I touched your favorite pseud.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:11:37 2018 No.11363373 >>11363363 That is just means you don’t like his presentation, but the content itself is very basic and doesn’t pretend to be otherwise

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:11:44 2018 No.11363374 >>11362914 Why, was this guy troubling your sleep?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:14:52 2018 No.11363384 >>11363370 Because he probably didn't though much about the cake before the interview.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:18:36 2018 No.11363392 >>11363373 >but the content I said him. This ain't difficult mate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:20:30 2018 No.11363398 >>11363371 learn what language actually means

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:20:43 2018 No.11363399 >>11363392 >him Yes I am talking about what he wrote to demonstrate how he isn’t a pseud. Do you even know what pseud means?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:20:43 2018 No.11363400 will the peterson harris debate be streamed somewhere?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:21:32 2018 No.11363403 >>11363368 it has a lot to do

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:22:06 2018 No.11363405 >>11363399 >>11363398 Nathan, please, calm down.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:24:07 2018 No.11363408 >>11363405 Lol petersonfag please stop your damage control. I do agree that he can be a bit smug and assumes the worst of people he doesn’t like but he is no pesud like Peterson.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:24:43 2018 No.11363410 File: 6 KB, 457x126, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11363405 yikes

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:26:30 2018 No.11363413

>>11363370
the whole thing is stupid because it was a legal question, not some massive question on fundamental liberal rights of man. Can a state have a law that says you cannot discriminate against some protected class? The answer is yes, that is Constitutional so long as the act in question is not covered by the 1A. The legal question was whether baking a cake is covered under the 1A. It's a fairly nuanced question. Even the baker's lawyers were sort of bumbling around as to where the line was, claiming that a makeup artist was NOT covered by 1A but that the baker was. In the end the Court did not rule on the question at hand anyway, and even if they had it would only have affected the unbelievably small set of situations where bakers and gays and laws converge together.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:28:10 2018 No.11363415 N I G G E R S

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:28:11 2018 No.11363416 >>11363021 >Then you have to show your true colours, which in Peterson's case exposed him as a pseud. First suspected from his "reading" of Derrida, then confirmed with his reading of Neitzsche

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:28:50 2018 No.11363418 >>11363353 Fuck Plato

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:29:16 2018 No.11363420 >>11363416 his reading of Heidegger is also similarly attrocious

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:36:41 2018 No.11363439 >>11363420 Lmao Being am I right? Xddddd Being kinda like a lobster God which Nietzsche was also advocating for since he was an evolutionary Christian xdddd

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:39:22 2018 No.11363448 >>11363121 "cake qua cake" means a cake in its essence as a cake (and not as a gay rights slogan, say). hopefully not outing myself here

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:41:23 2018 No.11363452 >>11362914 Imagine being awake at night, staring at the ceiling because you got BTFOd by Peterstein.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:42:19 2018 No.11363453 >>11363166 Just because the hard age limit is arbitrary doesn’t mean the concept of consent isn’t. You can easily convince children to do dumb shit and crimes, but doesn’t necessarily mean they understand the full implications of what they are doing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:42:40 2018 No.11363455 File: 117 KB, 960x389, J93LtOr_f22TLkhuj6TbjMc2UR1Y7jf1ByGwPxdxL0g.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11363439 does one a thinken, to say the least

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:47:24 2018 No.11363464 >>11362933 The alt-right does not like Jordan Peterson. They laugh at him and make memes of him. Go on pol right now and you will probably find a thread calling him Juden Peterstein.

thiskillsthedarkelf Sat Jun 23 07:47:31 2018 No.11363465

>>11362906
Jim jefferies is a faggot.

>we
It's an Australian and a canadian, they didn't have the civil rights movement. jim crow laws were the government overstepping its boundaries, jordan peterson telling the canadian government to go fuck itself when they pass compelled speech laws doesn't conflict with that.

tl;dr: Peterson didn't understand jims bullshit question.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:47:52 2018 No.11363466 >being a classical liberalism What? Can you express yourself properly please?

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:48:16 2018 No.11363467

>>11363370
>I don't understand why he didn't point out that the issue is not whether you should sell cakes to certain demographics, but being compelled to create cakes that go against your beliefs.
Because it's an edited 10s clip from a comedy show anon. If Peterson actually explored the argument that isn't useful in any way, the whole point is to find a soundbite to promote and strawman.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 07:53:48 2018 No.11363482

>>11363245
What does it matter if he had an interest in Marxism? Have you read his work? And he's one person. Nick Land also has an interest in Marxism. You think that says anything at all? Any person that's a reasonable academic has at least some interest in Marxism one way or another, because Marxism encompasses many things. Do I need to remind you that Peterson is obsessed with the USSR? No?
>>11363248
What a lousy thing to say.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:04:03 2018 No.11363508 >>11363118 >I spend a long time thinking about these things I think when he said that he was referring to religion and psychology, not a silly controversy about cakes and homosexuals

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:05:09 2018 No.11363510

>>11363464
You think /pol/ represents the Alt-Right? The Alt-Right is like 1% actual Nazis and maybe 5-10% actual libertarians or whatever the fuck. The rest are real normie people with semi-conservative views by American standards. Peterson fits very well into that normie package.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:07:47 2018 No.11363517 File: 140 KB, 857x773, Inte ens en enda gång.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You're absolutely right, communism is the way to go!

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:12:25 2018 No.11363527

>>11363510
>1% actual Nazis and
>5-10% actual libertarians or whatever
>The rest are real normie people with semi-conservative views
Do you even know what you're talking about? The alt right advocates for ethnonationalism.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_3MvOSyE0ow

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:13:47 2018 No.11363531 damage control gang represent

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:14:13 2018 No.11363533 damn... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/21/jordan-b-peterson-hits-wilfrid-laurier-university-/

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:16:09 2018 No.11363536

>>11363527
Wow, a guy that barely gets 5K views on his channel advocates for ethno nationalism. I'm sure all those Trump supporters have watched his video and know his views in detail.
You are retarded. If anyone represents the Alt-Right it's the mainstream people that are against the left: Rubin, Milo, Peterson, Harris, etc.
Nobody gives a FUCK about the fringe people that want an ethnostate or full-on libertarianism.
Also, God, Millennial Woes is getting disgustingly fat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:17:05 2018 No.11363542 >>11362906 this still doesn't excuse you from cleaning your fucking room, OP.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:17:58 2018 No.11363545

>>11362911
I'm of the opinion that comedians are the poor-man's philosopher. Think about it. Their job (if they're good at it) is to dissect the world around them and expose it for what it is in a way that's easy (and fun) to consume.

So, as far as I'm concerned, a comedian was ever only going to be the person to knock a philosopher down a dozen or two pegs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:18:52 2018 No.11363548 real american hours starting, time for bed

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:19:03 2018 No.11363549 >>11363315 Why wouldn't they? You can criticise capitalism from many different perspectives; religious, social, cultural, etc. Marxism just happens to be one of those ways you can criticise it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:21:42 2018 No.11363555 >>11363549 all criticisms of capitalism are anti-semitic and must be immediately abolished

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:22:43 2018 No.11363559

>>11363536
>Rubin, Milo, Peterson, Harris, etc.
Literally three of those are Jews, and none of those identify themselves as alt-right. You're misinformed beyond belief. No, opposing mainstream leftism doesn't make you alt right.
Alt right personalities are people like Woes and Richard Spencer (who coined the term alt right in the first place, and is an ethnonationalist)

The alt right was and still is a fringe movement, although it become the media's new boogeyman in recent times.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:22:43 2018 No.11363560

>>11363536
Just because the alt-right supported Trump at the time, doesn't mean Trump supporter=alt-right, dumbass.

>If anyone represents the Alt-Right it's the mainstream people that are against the left: Rubin, Milo, Peterson, Harris, etc.
Nobody agrees with this definition anymore, not even the MSM.
Those names you mention are nowadays called the "intellectual dark web" by some people and alt-lite by others...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:24:24 2018 No.11363566 File: 57 KB, 403x448, tfw brainlet nazi.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11363555

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:32:49 2018 No.11363586 >>11362916 this. At least he didn't double down on his stupid opinion and admitted he was wrong. That is certainly the right and the honest thing to do

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:36:11 2018 No.11363590 >"maybe I was wrong about that" >JRODAN MEMERSON O B L I T E R A T E D BY BASTE BRITISH COMEDIAN

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:41:50 2018 No.11363601 >>11363360 >col. comedien bitching on twiter.. funy WDHMBT?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:57:43 2018 No.11363626 >>11362933 Peterson said he's afraid of fucking up this january, and tries his best not to say or do anything wrong. I'm not 100% but he wants the alt-right money, he doesn't sincerely want to be the next Hitler.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 08:59:42 2018 No.11363634 See now they're not maintaining even the most rudimentary facade of journalistic neutrality and non-bias.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:21:14 2018 No.11363670

>>11362933
Haha wtf is this incoherent shit?

Is this spreading or something?Do people seriously not realize that this line is given tongue-in-cheek?

wouldnt say i´m particularily intrigued by petersons ideas - but in this instance it´s just shows how fucking low-brow his opponents are. As is the whole discussion.

The guy is fucking joking.

What peterson is saying, judging not only from the words that are said but also by looking facial expressions and mannerism, is: "I could make a long winded overly detailed argument about the single business relation to the whole of society and its interplay - but i would still probably be wrong" which translates to "i was wrong".

Guess nuance is hard to catch for autists

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:24:02 2018 No.11363678 >>11362906 He’s demonstrated more wisdom than any modern “intellectual “. He actually admitted he made a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:28:53 2018 No.11363685 >>11363670 >JP goes on comedy show >people take it seriously It's funny that you pretend you aren't one of JP's lackeys when you say a 2-bit (non political) comedian is one of his "opponents".

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:30:24 2018 No.11363689 >>11363678 >>11363586 >maybe I was wrong >maybe He didn’t admit he was wrong. If he did, he would have to retract either gays can’t do that shit, or the Civil Rights movement was a good thing. Petersonfags confirmed for seeing what they want to see

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:34:33 2018 No.11363699 >>11363555 well the digits don't lie

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:40:58 2018 No.11363718

>>11363005

But that's a bad argument. A cake can legally be considered an artistic endeavour, forcing that is different from refusing sale or other service. You're making a person express an opinion and ideology they disagree with. That's a government over step in my opinion

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:42:23 2018 No.11363723 >>11363689 Of course he didn't. He didn't expect the question and needed time to think about it more but you trannies think that if you can't give an immediate answer that means you're wrong.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:43:54 2018 No.11363727

>>11363718
Regardless of whether a cake is artistic or not, the idea that the Government can FORCE a business to do something under threat of force is a dangerous road to go down. The people who equivocate this to civil rights were not alive during that time and don't understand how different it was.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:45:07 2018 No.11363730 >>11363723 Then just say he needed more time to answer? Besides it isn’t even a hard question, look at some post ITT that does try. >you trannies Don’t project your insercuities on me senpai

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:49:13 2018 No.11363743

>>11363730
Well, I'm not the guy you were talking to before.

There is indeed answers to that questions but if you didn't though abput that before you're going to need to think about it, no matter easy it is. It may be obvious for a tranny like you who's obsessed with this kind of thing of course but as far as I know, JP never talked of the gay cake before.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:49:30 2018 No.11363744

>>11362916
My 15 year old brother thought up that argument. Some retard comedian thought up that argument. Mr. "I have all the answers as to why muh west is doomed," "I can single-handedly debunk all liberal thought post 19th century with lobsters," didn't?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:51:35 2018 No.11363751 >>11363744 Don't pick on Mr. Peterson please, he's already on anti-depressants :(

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:52:07 2018 No.11363754 >>11363744 What exactly was he trying to debunk ? What exactly was his argument who got destroyed here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:54:35 2018 No.11363760 >>11363727 The government requires business to do quite a lot in order to continue operating, not exactly sure why this is so different.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:56:01 2018 No.11363765

>>11363718
Art is a highly vague concept and that opens many legal loopholes. That thinking would never pass the SCOTUS.

Besides, racism was part of a greater ideology c. 1950s, doesn't mean people had a moral right to refuse service to blacks. If this was a religious rite or something to that effect you may have an argument, but refusing service based on creed, race, etc. is already illegal on legal precedent and simple logical deduction.

As an aside, I despise homosexuals but they can't be denied service for being fags.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:57:21 2018 No.11363770 >>11363760 Are you retarded or just underage?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:59:24 2018 No.11363779 >>11363765 >That thinking would never pass the SCOTUS. >Literally just passed the SCOTUS Why do you even post? Do you really have nothing better to do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 09:59:35 2018 No.11363781 >>11362906 Wait... did Jim Jefferies just admit he's not a comedian?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:01:11 2018 No.11363788 >>11363779 Based on religious beliefs, not artistic principles you dingbat. Hence my reference to religious rites. And no, I don't have anything better to do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:05:40 2018 No.11363804 >>11363743 Then just don’t give his opinion about it in the first place >obsessed More projection lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:06:08 2018 No.11363807 >>11363765 Signing away your right to do what you please as an individual institution in order to appease something you might not agree with in order to create fundamental fairness is retarded

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:10:22 2018 No.11363815

>>11363807
You wouldn't be saying that if you were a minority (such as a faggot--for some anons this will be easier than others) and some retard Christian with no theological justification for his position anyway denies you service because of his religion.

Protestant Christianity claims the OT is null and void, nor does anywhere in the scripture say to deny service to gays, especially not any more than it harps on about yelling about people who work the Sabbath.

My point is, where do you draw the line for what an acceptable religious belief is? Can Mormons deny service to blacks because they believe in the Mark of Cain?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:15:43 2018 No.11363830 >>11363770 I guess it's hard not to sound tat way when responding to a post that says something this dumb: >the idea that the Government can FORCE a business to do something under threat of force is a dangerous road to go down.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:28:32 2018 No.11363862 >>11363517 this desu senpai

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:30:13 2018 No.11363866 >>11363685 You dense person. That´s clearly not what I´m saying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:32:26 2018 No.11363874 >>11362916 >why the west There is nothing wrong with the west retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:36:54 2018 No.11363889 >>11363689 Damn youre serious I didn't even read the article, just the headline

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:49:19 2018 No.11363927 >>11363356 When you strawman your enemy, them admitting that they may be wrong, which is a great quality in a person, is a gotcha, a "finally stumped", which makes literally everything he has ever said wrong and a lie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:53:02 2018 No.11363943 >>11363760 Like what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 10:55:59 2018 No.11363955 >>11363804 He was asked about it you mentally deficient hon. >sorry bucko, I didn't think about this particuliar case so I'm not going to answer your question

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:01:56 2018 No.11363974

>>11363927
This whole thing is so strange to me because this is a similar behavior that /pol/tard have (extreme abrasivness and arrogance, posts read like they're all written by the same person) yet it is slightly different. I didn't think we had the /leftypol/ type here. And I'm not joking when I said that, I went to /leftypol/ and resetera to see what those fprums where like and thoses kind of vitriolic posts are the same.

Just search peterson resetera.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:02:06 2018 No.11363975

>>11363754
he said denying gays service was a question of freedom of expression or something. but he was too much of a pussy to follow through his logic with black people. thereby pegged himself into a corner and retracted his original statement.

if he wasn't such a moron, he would've replied
>"it's not about refusing service, it's about refusing creative labor, in this case artistic cake decorations, which was within his right as an american to do. let me ask you this jim, if you were a jewish baker and a nazi walked in and wanted you to draw hitler on a cake would you do it? should we force you as a society to do it? no of course not. well, to some christians their moral reprehension about the sin of homosexuality is a lot closer to how jews feel about german national socialism, do we defend the nazi or the jew? in this case it should be clear, there are dozens of cake shops to choose from locally, this particular case the couple in question simply wanted a story, they wanted to victimize a christian bakery because we are living in a mad culture where to become a victim is the only bravery left. maybe because we've been in a perpetual war for the past 2 decades and nobody talks about the hundreds of thousands of people our government has killed."

but he's a fucking brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:05:27 2018 No.11363990 i was listening to the 5 minute maps of meaning sample on audible and to be quiet honest it was not bad possibly good

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:13:35 2018 No.11364012 >>11363975 yes, he's a brainlet because he didn't equate a nazi to a homosexual the rest is pablum

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:14:24 2018 No.11364016 the left can't me- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt9cxABJ90g

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:16:24 2018 No.11364022 >>11362906 WIPE YOUR BUTT, MY SON

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:19:23 2018 No.11364032 >>11363943 Abide by various laws and regulations with regards to every aspect of your business, pay your taxes, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:20:01 2018 No.11364037 >>11362906 would never've happened to Nick Land

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:27:55 2018 No.11364063

>>11364032
Regulations are essentially telling you not to do things, things that would be harmful to others. There's a difference between negative and positive freedom anon. It's nonsensical to compare not having rat-shit in the cakes you serve, to forcing you to serve cakes to particular groups.

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:28:30 2018 No.11364066

>>11363022
>https://hooktube.com/watch?v=QO9j1SLxEd0

holy shit there was a girl EXACTLY like that "christine elizibeth" chick in my uni too, i think they are like a generic campus archetype like frat bro, stoner homie, autistic nerd, chubby white girl with arab scarf who calls everyone nazis

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:31:42 2018 No.11364079 >>11364063 americans already tried your way and it was abhorrent that's why they tore it down

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:35:15 2018 No.11364093 >>11363517 >when ur literally killing planet earth but it's ok because it's not communism porkie.jpg

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:35:23 2018 No.11364094
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I would never have fallen for that shit equivocation. Not wanting to supply a service to someone by your own free will, is not the same as the state having LAWS that says you cannot serve specific people even if you wanted to.

I can't believe Peterson fell for that shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:37:41 2018 No.11364104 >>11364093 >ur Opinion discarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:46:02 2018 No.11364136 >>11363975 No, he said the governement shouldn't force people to bake for gay mariage, which is different. The distinction between service and creative labor is indeed a good argument but it isn't that obvious. >>/lgbt/

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:46:34 2018 No.11364140

>>11362954
>Why the fuck does he do so many interviews?
>Does he just love being in front of a camera that much, or is his publisher making him do it?

so this is why there's no such thing as a right wing intellectual. they don't like to be asked tough questions

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:47:40 2018 No.11364146 >>11364094 the worst part is the United State SUPREME COURT even sided with the baker, how could peterson be so fucking dumb, he got exposed as a pseud for that one

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:48:56 2018 No.11364148 serving a black guy a muffin at a diner and having to artistically create a black power muffin for said black guy not the same, peterson brainlet

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:49:48 2018 No.11364153 >>11363874 REDDIT IS SO FUCKING BASED!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:51:35 2018 No.11364159 >>11363224 >When you give medical attention to gay people its promoting the gay agenda

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:54:02 2018 No.11364171 File: 329 KB, 1060x1061, 1526618770137.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11363022 >australian daily show ?Aeeiii yei Peiterseen Cueeent, Ceen Iee heeeve ee looeek aeeett yueer gouuueegle heeestoree!?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:57:46 2018 No.11364179 >>11364146 They just agreed that he had been mistreated by the lower courts. It was far from the final ruling on this issue.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 11:59:33 2018 No.11364184 >>11364179 >supreme court >not the final ruling ok dude

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:03:14 2018 No.11364194
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>>11363727
>the idea that the Government can FORCE a business to do something under threat of force is a dangerous road to go down
>what is government regulation

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:05:13 2018 No.11364199

>>11364194
the point was that you can't force someone to create something they don't want to create, the guy offered to sell them premade cakes, but he wasn't going to make one, just like when some labor activist tried to order some custom nikes that said "sweat shop" they refused to make them and no one could do anything

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:05:28 2018 No.11364200 >realtime "debate" These are useful for impressing your mom on facebook and people of similar caliber. Show up to peer review journals when you're ready for the big boys league.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:07:26 2018 No.11364207 >>11364184 I don't think you understand what this specific ruling actually meant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:13:19 2018 No.11364223 >>11364207 no u

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:14:31 2018 No.11364228 >>11364079 Just so we both know what we're talking about here, what do you mean by your way?

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:14:51 2018 No.11364229

Shouldnt the baker have the right to refuse because of his religion? He cant make them the cake because his religion forbids him to condone a gay marriage, just like muslims women cant remove their hoodies or something. Or like you cant force a doctor to perform an abortion if he believes the fetus to be already human.
Its not about the couple being gay, it has to do with the marriage itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:16:50 2018 No.11364234 File: 43 KB, 450x450, f06e216e-4764-4aff-ac79-5bd7bc3d6193_1.98644bc7d5db113ba8f86db95882e72e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11364199 There's a reason you see these on every store in America. And that reason? Freedom.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:19:29 2018 No.11364240 >>11364229 he didn't refuse them service, he refused to create something that he did not wish to create, he offered to sell them any of his premades, and the supreme court agreed an artist cannot be forced to create something

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:22:27 2018 No.11364250 >>11362911 >I never would have guessed a literally who comedian would be the one to take him down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LYgkN2Ajmk

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:24:21 2018 No.11364258 >>11363137 finally

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:26:44 2018 No.11364268 >>11363161 >t. bugman

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:27:32 2018 No.11364270 >>11363815 I draw the line at everything because I am the minority. I'm a libertarian and as retarded as that is in some ways, a persons own individual freedom outside of social grouping should always be respected

Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:34:31 2018 No.11364297

>>11364240
>the supreme court agreed an artist cannot be forced to create something

the decision didn't say that. the majority opinion only ruled that the lower courts violated his freedom of religion because the civil rights committee was mean to him. they sided with the baker on a procedural issue that even two liberal justices signed onto.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 23 12:39:15 2018 No.11364310 >>11364297 do u not get how the supreme court works holy shit, they always rule on lower courts thats the whole fucking point

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