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Anonymous Thu Jun 21 21:39:54 2018 No.11357374 [Reply] [Original]

>there are people on this board that legitimately believe The Catcher in the Rye to be of any worth

Anonymous Thu Jun 21 21:40:52 2018 No.11357376

So I'm with a girl and she has on one of those pointy goddamn sad little cone bras and she asks me to take off my goddamn shirt before we make out. So I do, and know what the hell she does? She laughs at my back acne for chrissakes, just point and laughs right there in the bedroom and all. So I call her a phony and get up to leave the goddamn room but she grabs me by the arm and looks at me with these big ol' wet movie starlett doe eyes. Christ, that always kills me. It really does. So I make up my mind to stay. and she's giddy and beside herself and all and we start to make out but then I get this feeling, like way deep down in my stomach, this queezy feeling, and I remember jane gallagher in her red and whtie sweater and I realize what I'm doing is just wrong and phony and all and I just up and walk out of there. And then, on the train home, wouldn't you damn well know it, it just starts up and raining and I feel like gods up there, but not with the apostles, just alone, and he's judging me for what ive just done. But I couldn't help it. That phoebe is just so sexy. She really is.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 21 21:44:37 2018 No.11357390 >>11357374 I read parts of of this in high school and I was thinking of revisiting it. Is there any point?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 21 21:48:29 2018 No.11357403 It improves a lot of you don't take it seriously. Holden is kind of pathetic but every word out of his mouth is solid gold.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 21 21:55:56 2018 No.11357425 File: 25 KB, 337x354, 1527966050803.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11357403 >It improves a lot of you don't take it seriously

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 21 22:04:42 2018 No.11357462 >>11357374 yea im reading it right now and holy shit its just YA

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 21 22:05:52 2018 No.11357469 >one the only novels that every good author can agree on as good >plebs don't like it because le whiny protagonist just learn to read books faggots

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 21 22:07:13 2018 No.11357473 >>11357374 >There are people on this board who don't think Salinger was right about everything...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 21 22:09:01 2018 No.11357479 >>11357469 If you learn to read books from simplistic garbage like Salinger, then you shouldn't have the confidence to speak about literature

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Anonymous Thu Jun 21 22:14:53 2018 No.11357495

>>11357374

pleb
>omg holden's like so relatable fuck all the phonies i wanna kill john lennon

pseud
>omg he's so whiny fiction is about "likable" characters it's YA shit

patrician
>Not only is Catcher in the Rye a superb exercise in narrative voice, the character of Holden Caufield is a compelling look at the trauma of loss (represented through the death of his little brother and the suicide of his classmate) and his quest to ensure the innocence of childhood is compelling while misguided, but that's what gives the story its ultimate pathos.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 21 22:17:09 2018 No.11357503 >>11357374 Nah, it's unironically a masterpiece.

Anonymous Thu Jun 21 22:44:27 2018 No.11357579

>>11357495
For clarification, I don't hate it due to Holden's whiny character, nor would I hate it for the lack of likeability. If anything, a layer of pathetic character, or navel-gazing, would have value, had there been worthy design to portray it.
The issue with Catcher in the Rye is similar to American Psycho, two works signifying a flawed, albeit narcissistic, character: the flawed is the surface level, merely supplementing a character that's a one-dimensional force of that same flaw, with any other worth of the character simply becoming a void. Tell me, what importance does a narrative contain, if that narrative is entirely comprised of weakness and self-hood, and nothing of the erudite, of the compelling states of introspection? Holden is Orson Welles' perception of Woody Allen: arrogance. What use does that have, other than portraying something mentally weak in text and soul?

Anonymous Thu Jun 21 23:45:45 2018 No.11357763

>>11357374
>Faulkner, Nabokov, Bloom, Hemmingway, and dozens of other literary titans adore Catcher
>somehow OP's opinion is supposed to matter
Git gud.

>>11357390
Don't listen to OP, it's one of the best novels ever written by an American.

>>11357579
Holden grows and learns to be less controlling — letting Phoebe grab the brass ring, realizing he can't scratch out the graffiti, etc. The whole point of the book is to watch him change. That's what stories do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 21 23:53:54 2018 No.11357795 DUDE IT'S BAD BECAUSE I READ IT IN HIGH SCHOOL LMAO

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 02:00:31 2018 No.11358150 >>11357795 >>11357763 >>11357579 >>11357503 >>11357495 >>11357482 >>11357479 >>11357473 >>11357469 >>11357462 >>11357425 >>11357403 >>11357390 >>11357389 >>11357376 >>11357374 all of these posts were me, by the way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 02:40:22 2018 No.11358238 File: 36 KB, 400x225, 1524323324733.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11358150

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 13:28:27 2018 No.11359834 >>11358150 addicted to (You)s?

Anonymous Fri Jun 22 13:58:56 2018 No.11359942

>>11357374
It's the perfect book to read at different points in your life. At least once when you're in your teens then again when you're 24+

Holden seems a lot less "whiny" and you appreciate his outlook for what it is the second time around because now there is a certain distance between you and Holden. He's a lot more likable (and funny) because in your late 20's you (hopefully) can no longer identify with a character like him.

I think for first time readers there is some sort of Jungian shadow-play going on that leads a lot of people to outright reject and dislike Holden because they identify so strongly with him.

I think this is what >>11357403 was getting at in terms of seriousness.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 14:11:37 2018 No.11359988 >>11359834 me btw

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 14:18:41 2018 No.11360009 >>11358150 what the fuck, really?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 14:21:32 2018 No.11360022 It's a lot better in the second read, when you realize that Holden raped Phoebe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 18:49:59 2018 No.11361161 >>11358150 Damn. I do that too. I thought I was the only one

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 18:54:32 2018 No.11361182 >>11360022 Holden doesn't like sex, he didn't rape her, in fact Holden was raped himself two times in the book.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 19:08:20 2018 No.11361241 >>11357374 Its entertaining

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 19:11:19 2018 No.11361253 >>11358150 No they were not: There are 21 posters in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 20:14:06 2018 No.11361480 >>11361253 >he thinks my IP is static you're truly off the goop on this one, chief. by the way, this post I'm replying to was me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 22 20:18:08 2018 No.11361496 >>11361253 me btw

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