/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11354366]

Can you be a happy and regular person and create good art/literature/music? Why do most creative people have issues and dark auras?

[Anonymous No.11354380]

>dark aura
dude just writes edgy lyrics and knows how to mug for the camera. You ever see his vlogs he speaks like a pussy and was constantly stomped on by other rappers his whole career.

To answer your question yes, most artists are normal people, most have high drive for novelty seeking which, in a small minority, can lead them to anti-social behaviors, but these usually end up a detriment to their careers not a boon.

[Anonymous No.11354426]

>>11354366

What the fuck are you talking about? He was a typical degenerate. The fact that so many mental midgets followed him makes me disappointed in america.

[Anonymous No.11354483]

As Lacan said, I don't know what a regular person is. Nonetheless, an artist having to be an edgemaster 9000 is a shitty romanticist meme. Bach did not lead particularly miserable life and yet it feels almost like an insult to mention him in one sentence with xxxmanletacion.

[Anonymous No.11354491]

xxx is trash but in general depressed/sad/etc people tend to be better with creative shit because of how often they leave reality to soothe their souls...does that make sense?

escapism is all they want and know.

[Anonymous No.11354499]

OP u sound like a teenage girl.

[Anonymous No.11354513]

last i checked niggers aren't literature

[Anonymous No.11354637]

>>11354513
really stimulates my synapses.

[Anonymous No.11354657]

The need to create other men, to draw out of oneself a crowd of different characters, could hardly arise in a man who finds himself harmoniously adjusted to his own little world. Why should anyone obstinately endeavor to live out other people's lives, if he is himself self-confident and without revolt?

[Anonymous No.11354670]

>>11354657

[Anonymous No.11354678]

>>11354366
The idea of the romanticized tortured artist in popular culture is relatively new 2 b h.

Historically art was a trade, like welding or plumbing or whatever. It wasn't about plumbing the depths of your soul or who you were or whatever. It was just, like, hey this is pretty! Make more pretty things!

It's honestly a really unhealthy/cornball cliche that we should be actively trying to stop. Mental health is worth taking seriously and shouldn't be used as a prop by underachievers or fetishized as a secret fountain of creativity

[Anonymous No.11354692]

>>11354678
But some art is personal

[Anonymous No.11354700]

>>11354366
I was wondering this myself. As a poet, and a good portion of my inspiration comes from the misery and pains from my life. I dont think id have nearly as much to think about if i wasnt in a constant state of contemplation and suffering. Ive got mental disorders, traumas, and a very confusing upbringing. Ive got a lot to think about, and without thoughts there can be no words.

But as far as someone that is able to creative and be "happy", im not sure. why would they even bother?

[Anonymous No.11354705]

>>11354692
What a hot Reddit take on 4 chan dot com

[Anonymous No.11356180]

>>11354380
>>11354426
>>11354491

He made the music he wanted to make and was successful at it. He was only 20 years old and is dead but his "art" lives on.

[Anonymous No.11356191]

>>11354366

The mistake you're making is thinking regular and normal people are happy. It's not just abnormal and troubled people who are unhappy. Most people are unhappy. Happiness is a fleeting emotion. Most people, if they're lucky, are just at peace or content. Most people are usually uncomfortable, anxious, angry, wanting, etc. The illusion is artists are difference because they are able to express this so clearly.

[Anonymous No.11356204]

>>11354366
>Can you be a happy and regular person and create good art/literature/music?
Yes

>Why do most creative people have issues and dark auras?

People who overcome obstacles reap the rewards of it. You can be a happy person and be someone who has met a challenge that was horrifying

If you mean the stereotypical teenager who writes darkn'edgy, its because they dont understand the subtlety of the craft

Everyone wants to read a book that gives them a certain feeling, atmosphere, provocation, world, or whatever it is they are looking for in literature, and a work that fully achieves whatever that is will be a masterpiece in their eyes because of it.

"Fully achieves" is treated in a blunt and obvious way when teenagers first start writing. Most of the time they dont even think about an audience, they just start saying, this is the feeling you should be feeling.

[Anonymous No.11356215]

>>11354366

is that kelly oubre

[Anonymous No.11356321]

Is this the nigga that got dabbed on?

[Anonymous No.11356897]

>>11354366
What most people don't realize is that a person can't create good art unless they're happy.

[Anonymous No.11356956]

Everyone has problems, artists are just the ones that demonstrate it.

Also the lifestyle of someone during the creative process (for a specific opus such as a novel or an album, as opposed to creative bursts everyone experiences throughout the day) is typically more isolated than the conditions required for general human happiness (near constant social engagement). Add on top if you're trying to create something unconventional, and all of the sudden you might not get much social support from your immediate surroundings for what you spend so much time doing.

[Anonymous No.11357139]

>>11354366
Why does he have french fries hanging in his hair?

[Anonymous No.11357173]

Good art resolves reality. It helps solve problems, because it comes from problems.


>>11356897
This is the exact opposite of the truth

[Anonymous No.11357194]

>>11354513
>hurrr durrr nigger
Mods should ban garbage posts with no content. I know I'm being hypocritical in typing this out, but it had to be said.

[Anonymous No.11357202]

>>11357194
nigger

[Anonymous No.11357207]

his music was trash and im glad everyone who took it seriously are sad because of his dead, they deserve it for having shit taste

[Anonymous No.11357210]

>>11357194
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.11357217]

faggots like these take themselves too seriously, they have this teenager mindset of acting depressed because they think it makes them look cool, they wear it as some kind of ornamwnt but as soon as you realize what they do it starts being pathetic
Yes you have a right to be depressed because life is shit and everyone with half a brain knows it, but niggers like this only act like they are without having any decent reason. Most of the time they cant even appreciate art for itself, they only see it as an addition to their "cool" depressed edgy persona. Fuck modern "artists."

[Anonymous No.11357241]

>>11354366
The artist must sink himself in a perception, reflect it totally, in order to reproduce it as art. It doesn't matter whether the artist is depressive or well adjusted, though that will inform the art.

[Anonymous No.11357263]

fake deep nigga white lil peep good riaddance

I wish all manlets would murk eachother desu

[Anonymous No.11358227]

>>11356180
Rofl

[Anonymous No.11358272]

>>11357194
nigger

[Anonymous No.11358274]

>>11354366
If you are happy and satisfied there's no reason to create.

[Anonymous No.11358286]

>>11354491
No, it makes no sense. What makes sense is that the same sensitivity and drive to create that makes an artists also leads to sadness when faced with human reality and their own loneliness.

[Anonymous No.11358324]

Real life isn't a happy fucking dream world, so no, happy people can't be good writers because they don't understand fucking shit and are by definition pseuds.

[Anonymous No.11358333]

>>11354366
xxx garbo


cant wait for meemee depressed face tat tween rap to go away 4 good lmao

[Anonymous No.11358344]

So this is what it feels to be out of touch. I mean, the fuck is this shit, Black Veil Brides for niggers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO12BCNUlLU&feature=youtu.be&t=124

[Anonymous No.11358369]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rkJ3L5Ce80

post-advertisment mumblerap goat.

[Anonymous No.11358380]

>>11358333
This. Good riddance xxxtentaclethon

[Anonymous No.11358382]

"good art/literature/music" is created by genius

When genius "creates" it is an uncontrollable and abstract act driven by isolation and a need to be understood by a world that is built for (and crowded by) the average mind. A futile and depressing effort from start to finish that often ends in self destruction by way of suicide or drug and alcohol dependence. Especially after the artist realizes the paradox; that a simple mind physically cannot understand a complex mind.

This of course does not apply to your shitty soundcloud rapper OP. All creative genius spawns from depression and isolation, but depression and isolation does not create genius.

[Anonymous No.11358400]

>>11357241

Real art is driven by isolation and depression.
Chicken scratch and finger painted canvases by well adjusted nobodies is not art.
It is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.11358406]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THdie-5vC-s

[Anonymous No.11359890]

a regular person it´s just a dumb normie, that´s why they can´t create art

[Anonymous No.11359895]

The broader question is whether you can be "happy and normal" at all. Artists are typically deviations from the mean, but I don't think the mean human experience is all that "happy and normal" in a traditional sense

[Anonymous No.11359899]

>>11354366

[Anonymous No.11359914]

>>11354366
You want the short answer that will save you years of wonder and research?

Realize this, the devil is behind all secular music.

[Anonymous No.11359919]

Because most people have issues and darkness

>thread

[Anonymous No.11359993]

>>11358400
>Real art is driven by isolation and depression.
>Chicken scratch and finger painted canvases by well adjusted nobodies is not art.
>It is a waste of time.

>Bach, Wagner, Sophocles, Plato, etc. were not real artists because they were socially well adjusted and succesful people
>XXXTentacion is so deep he's so depressed and cool omg!!

[Anonymous No.11360045]

>>11359993
>Bach, Wagner, Sophocles, Plato, etc. were not real artists because they were socially well adjusted and successful people

Literally some of the most intellectually tortured individuals to exist in recorded history. Just admit you were being a retard making unfounded claims. I think you will find the air outside your own asshole to be quite refreshing.

I also never claimed to enjoy nigger soundcloud rappers; because I do not.

[Anonymous No.11360066]

>>11359993
see
>>11358382

[Anonymous No.11360069]

>>11357202
Based

[Anonymous No.11360163]

>>11354366
Music isn't spiritually fulfilling enough?

[Anonymous No.11360212]

>>11360045
>Literally some of the most intellectually tortured individuals to exist in recorded history.
What the fuck is "intelectually tortured" supposed to mean, you turd?

>>11360066
>Implying Sophocles wasn't partaking in top banter with Aristophanes and the other Athenian retards every weekend
>Implying Plato wasn't drowning in boipucci and loving and being loved by the people in both Athens, later in the Academy and then in Sicily
>Implying Wagner didn't constantly lead a highly active social life, enjoying the company of almost every important person in his age and developing deep friendships with people like Litsz, Nietzsche and a fucking king

Your whole, "genius must be isolated and depressed people" crumbles instantly the moment you read the biography of any real genius, people like Thales, Empedocles or Sophocles prove that you can be a top genius without being an angsty depressed faggot. Not trying to say that there's no isolated geniuses, but to try to claim that you must be a dark and cool epic sad guy to be a genious is pure teenage faggotry

[Anonymous No.11360258]

>Melancholics have big bones that contain little marrow, like vipers. . . . They are excessively libidinous and, like donkeys, overdo it with women. If they desisted from this depravity, madness would result. . . . Their love is hateful, twisted and death-carrying, like the love of voracious wolves. . . . They have intercourse with women but they hate them.
t. hildegard von bingen

>hot melancholy, or melancholia fumosa, has two extremely important effects on the phantasmic activity of the subject. The first consists in the mobility of the phantasms within the subtle organism: the second, in the great capacity of phantasms to stay impressed upon the pneuma. This brings w i th it, besides a prodigious memory, an extraordinary capacity for analysis. That is why, Ficino tells us, all the great men who have ever excelled in an art have been melancholic, either because they were born so or became so through assiduous meditation.
t. culianu

>muh dionysos
t. nietzsche

[Anonymous No.11360358]

>>11360212

I don't think you understand isolation, depression or genius. A lack of perception will remain your albatross. I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.11360368]

>>11354366
people who are attracted to or interested in stability do not become artists.

[Anonymous No.11360714]

>>11354366
Dude was a cunt, his music was shit and the message behind it was also shit. Only reason why he got popular is because of the new trend of being a fuck up for the kiddos nowadays. He was a complete fuck up and of course attracted a mass audience of other fuck ups because the shit he advocates is to ignore anything involving the future or personal growth and focus on the now, be selfish and drown out all pain with fucking, being a cunt, and doing lots of drugs. It's really hard to say that him dying isn't good when he had such a huge influence on a large demographic of damaged ignorant easily influenced 14+ year olds.

[Anonymous No.11360837]

>>11360045
There are many of us who experience "Intellectual torture", or in general suffering or angst about our place in reality, I don't understand this as being a requirement for a great work to be produced as there are fantastic works created to capture the feelings of joy and happiness the original creator felt within a moment of their life; not every work that is a masterpiece requires the person to be in a state of depression to be created. I also feel the original anon was saying that since these individuals are socially well adjusted then they surely cannot also be isolated as well (unless you mean they experience LONELINESS, which is a completely different beast of its own). In this way I have to agree with him that the concepts of isolation and depression are not necessary in the production of "real" or "genius" art. Rather I think it's more fair to say that a genius is a person designated, respected, and appreciated by the majority of society for their ability to express complex and difficult abstract ideals in a elegant and simple way through the medium of their choosing, who innovate and showcase entirely new techniques or methods in the production/transmission of an idea, or who can accurately express their own beliefs, ideals, or feelings in such a way that a large mass of people can also appreciate or relate to the content (which in turn makes those same people who relate with them relate with each other as well). This ideal where these people have to basically be hermits and are creating these things just to be understood by the masses is such a shallow view of the bigger picture of the impact of these wonderful people in our society. Now depression and isolation can remove one's view from the traditional views of society and allow one to focus on the self rather than those around him, and from that lead to creations of genius from observation in a new angle but these thing are not NECESSARY for genius.

[Anonymous No.11360859]

>>11360358
Not that anon, but I legitimately don't think you understand the concept of isolation yourself. There are many great artists that were well integrated with society, that's not isolation. Learn the difference between isolation and loneliness before critiquing others on it.

[Anonymous No.11360870]

>>11354366
I see this nigger spammed everywhere. Who even was he?

[Anonymous No.11360886]

>>11358344
It's just hilarious to think that he really thought anything he said there had any sort of worth or value. He might as well had just spoke gibberish into a mic.

[Anonymous No.11360890]

>>11360870
edgy rapper