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[Anonymous No.11344852]

I'm 3 chapters into pic related and Im enjoying the atmosphere, but I don't get it. Someone red pill me on this book.

[Anonymous No.11344904]

>>11344852
its supposed to make you think the rape and killing is normal. so you get this big "woke" moment of "wow if i lived in nazi germany id also be one of the jew killers bc id think its normal, we're truly dumb"
its middlebrow.

[Anonymous No.11344908]

>>11344852

You have to read it all at least twice to even begin to understand it

[Anonymous No.11345401]

>>11344852
There really isnt a hard "point" to it other than "Chaos". There was a great post by some anon a while ago about this, but overall, there arent alot of crazy events. Theres just shit happening becasue that's life in Mexico. Ofcourse that's an oversimplicfication of it, O'm sure someone will post the pasta.

[Anonymous No.11345424]

>>11345401
>O'm sure someone will post the pasta.

Got it:

>I gave up on 2666. Why ANYONE thought that was a good book is completely beyond me. I had a moment somewhere around page 330 or so where I thought it might be getting somewhere good. Might...after 330 pages. But then he switched books to "The Book In Which The Author Tediously Catalogs Brutal Murders of Random Women for More Than 250 Pages." Since the deaths didn't really seem to have anything to do with the prior plotlines (which were all abandoned), and some of them (approximately 1/3 according to my calculations) didn't seem to have anything to do with the future plotline, I determined that I had two options: 1) Continue to read on about the next nameless woman who was 5'7 in height and had long hair who was found murdered in a trashpile in Sonora, presenting as having been anally and vaginally raped, with the cause of death appearing to be from the multiple stab wounds in the torsal area, or 2) Cut my losses and stop reading the damn thing. I opted for the latter. Robert Bolano can kiss it.

[Anonymous No.11345439]

>>11344904
That's not the point

[Anonymous No.11345833]

>>11344852
I've always found the Wikipedia page to be hilarious because it claims, "It's themes are manifold" But in all seriousness, I think there is a lot to get out of the book. The main thing to me was the idea that the world is so interconnected. Like something that happens in a small village in Germany in the aftermath of World War 1 can directly lead to something happening in Mexico City in the modern day. I can't promise that everything comes together perfectly, but i disagree with the assertion that all the plot-lines get abandoned. The end does connect them all in an interesting way. Another important part of the novel is about how we can't predict our own legacies, that no matter how we saw our lives going the end result will be much different than we thought, and how we will be remembered differently than we are. There is a lot of smaller stuff I really love about 2666, but I can't get into it without involving spoilers. I can do a more specific post involving spoilers if people want me to. The Part About the Murders can be a tedious read but there is a lot about it that's interesting, its more than just descriptions of crime scenes and it always confuses me that people can't see it. Listen to Lalo Cura. I guess it helps if you've studied some spanish... anyway, this has been a rambling and not well thought out post and i'm not gonna proof read it so take from it what you will.
>pic not related but i love that book

[Anonymous No.11346129]

>>11344904
Get a load of this pleb

[Anonymous No.11346173]

>>11344852
>tfw the spics and lower iq whites who read Bolaño are too low low g and low creativity to explain, comprehend or make use of Bolaño
>he wrote for a different race than his own people
>Bolaño threads just like Borges threads, spic threads, have no analysis
weird haha

[Anonymous No.11346260]

>>11346173
Yeah, not like all those Joyce threads that are 90% "lol farts haha". Such sharp minds.

[Anonymous No.11346308]

Also reading this currently, finished the first book today and liked the prose style very much, especially when he gets into these long, repetitive sentence which virtually suck you in, but I hated the characters, which might have been the point but was still annoying. They said so many stupid things.

Also, does anyone know if he spoke German good enough to read serious literature? Because the name dropping seemed pretty arbitrary to me, someone who read many of the authors he mentions.

[Anonymous No.11346323]

>>11345833
Please post the spoilers but specify from which part the spoilers are.

[Anonymous No.11346349]

>>11346260
im not responsible for what sociopaths and low iq people post, just pointing out that Bolaño had a higher iq than his whole race by multiple SD’s and that this is why threads about him and Borges, overwhelmingly spic and med threads, are so poor in quality and look almost exactly like Dostoyevsky threads. the same aversion to analysis, same poverty of prose and diction, the same weak engagement with thematics, the same lack of appreciation for truly subtle technical achievements in the story and descriptions. Why? Low iq, gulf between genius and his undeserving audience, distance between the exception and the rule. You’re from a weak type who cannot keep pace with your specimens. Note that the Irish and Germans CAN keep pace with their exceptions well enough to praise them with dignity, you can’t because you are weak. There are maybe 2 intelligent hispanics on this board. Know why, learn to respect your inferiority and others superiority. That is all I have to tell this thread. I admire Bolaño, not so much those who share my admiration for his work.

[Anonymous No.11346632]

>>11346349
>tfw bolano was so high iq he once wrote out the entire plot of 1993's return of the living dead for a spanish newspaper

u should read the secret of evil

[Anonymous No.11346680]

>>11344908

this is kinda true bc after u read the last part it gives u a different perspective of a lot of things. the first time reading it tho it still has an impact, see this thread and its various interpretations. the truth is, and i've done a lot of reading of others interpretations from various journals to blogposts, there is no set meaning. if there was bolano did a real good job of obfuscating it, but reading a lot of other bolano work u get the kinda impression he never really cared for meaning. i mean the end of the savage detectives is awesome as fuck and very anime-eqsue, but the literal literal end is a a drawing of a joke. the meaning i got from 2666 is more or less an acknowledgement of literature's futility in the world, yet still at the same time a defense of its power. i know that sounds silly but the experience of 2666 really left me with a sense of armament

[Anonymous No.11346730]

>>11346680
also does anyone happen to have a copy of this full article ?

https://nplusonemag.com/issue-7/the-intellectual-situation/on-bolano-2/

[Anonymous No.11346842]

>>11346349
That's all based on how much non European DNA they have. Bolano and Borges had none, most SA have little or none probably, but the more you have the less intelligent one is going to be obviously.

[Anonymous No.11347375]

>>11346173
>>11346842
C'mon boys, I just wanted to talk about books

[Anonymous No.11347509]

Literature by people privileged enough to have been sheltered from the cruelty of life. Art and violence are connected, but the connection is willfully obscured by the former. Societies are willing to tolerate violence even in their core as long as it is kept under covers and directed towards outsiders. Academic life is an elaborate lie meant to hide a regular life. Homicide and violence hide a statistical quality beyond individual cases.

[Anonymous No.11347565]

What I love about Bolano is that he both loathes and reveres literature. As he said "literature is a whore" that people tend to put artists on a pedestal as these individuals who are above everyone in terms of intellectual prowess and creativity. And Bolano tears that all down with Nazi Literature in the Americas as how fascists, the lowest of the low, can produce literary movements that are admired.

It really shaped my way of seeing artists, especially how in today's outrage culture you have all these reports of artists, musicians etc accused of sexual acts that people find offensive, and thus people attempt to boycott their works, and just how futile that act and that mode of thinking is.

>>11344908
I've only read it once, but I had read a lot of Bolano's other works prior to 2666, and once I had finished it, I felt underwhelmed and wasn't moved by it, but upon thinking about it more and more I quickly realised the measure and scope of it

[Anonymous No.11347619]

>>11347565
>the lowest of the low
And what great heights literature has achieved since. Seriously, try to start thinking for yourself.

[Anonymous No.11347620]

>>11347565
>I felt underwhelmed and wasn't moved by it, but upon thinking about it more and more I quickly realised the measure and scope of it

This is similar to how I felt. It rattled around my brain afterwards and I couldn't help but think of the novel every day for a month.

[Anonymous No.11347657]

>>11347619
>gets triggered because his precious ideology was insulted

heh nothing personal kid

[Anonymous No.11347717]

Anyone have any recommendations for someone who likes Bolaño?

[Anonymous No.11347732]

cesar aira
juan jose saer

[Anonymous No.11347760]

>>11347717
Cesar Aira is pretty good, RB wrote an introduction to one of his books. I've always found Rushdie is similar to Bolano, but a bit more evocative in terms of prose and style and similar themes of being a witness to history.

[Anonymous No.11347780]

Only on 200 so I can't speak the aim of the whole, if there is one. But he wrote the book as he was dying, breaking it into multiple books to bring his family more financial security. Maybe when I finish it I'll see a grand plan, but my impressions so far have been more atmospheric. The style makes me feel weak, dim, flu-like. Drearier than the stranger. When meursalt got laid it was on a beautiful day after the beach with a minx. The most recent sex scene in 2666 I read took place in a graveyard. Even in the apex of hedonism and potential conception of life, there's the reminder and mood of death. It's a sad dream like morbidity, where nothing comes to much and little of what does is clear. I haven't found any hope in the novel yet.

[Anonymous No.11348739]

Bump

[Anonymous No.11348973]

This book showed up in my house. Read a few chapters but it wasn't quite clicking. Give me 5 good reasons to read this instead of Watership Down as my next book.

[Anonymous No.11349427]

>>11347780
Just googled Rushdie and my God I don't like the look of him. Looks like he could write some pretty grim stuff though so thanks anyway

[Anonymous No.11349714]

>>11349427
>Judging an author on how they look
What
Rushdies work isn't particularly grim, though there are some morbid moments within his novels. If you want to know anything about Rushdie, just know his book The Satanic Verses caused the Ayatollah of Iran to issue a death warrant "fatwa" against him that still holds to this day.

[Anonymous No.11349737]

This book drew me in and had me interested and engaged and Bolano is a hack who did nothing with any of the shit he prattled on about for 1200 pages. Do yourselves a favor and skip this book, if you must read something by Bolano shoot for the Savage Detectives.

[Anonymous No.11349755]

It's a highly impressionistic novel about beauty and chaos intertwined. You can stop reading if you like but can you think of any other book like it?

[Anonymous No.11350547]

>>11345424
completely wrong.

[Anonymous No.11350556]

>>11349755
you do realize beauty is subjective right?with that in mind i can reference you to a million novels.

[Anonymous No.11351155]

>>11348973
um...you're over 12?

[Anonymous No.11351277]

>>11350556
do it then u pedantic little bitch

[Anonymous No.11351412]

>>11350556
Can I give you a spirit bath in my beauty, beautiful?

[Anonymous No.11351447]

how many gringos does it take to write a ‘ñ’?

[Anonymous No.11351901]

>>11346173
I keep seeing the same criticisms of Gaddis' readers. I think it might be the fault of this site specifically that discussion rarely crosses the threshold of shitposting to thoughtful expansion. It's definitely not just a feature of Bonano's that people on this board fail to put in the teeniest bit of effort it takes to talk about a book

[Anonymous No.11353453]

It’s 800 pages of nothing.

[Anonymous No.11353471]

>>11347565
>sexual acts that people find offensive

Is this your way of saying rape?

[Anonymous No.11353729]

>>11344852
it had a cool cover so you bought it

[Anonymous No.11354781]

>>11351447
Gringo phoñe poster here. It's easy if you just hold down the letters. Don't know how to do it on a real keyboard.

[Anonymous No.11355090]

>>11344852
the book only mentions its actual subject(s) by omission. think about a flushed toilet, the text is the water and what it's about is the hole

[Anonymous No.11355359]

>>11344852
It's about the failure of the artistic dream of modernism that WW2 represents and the failure of Latin American utopian revolutionary politics culminating in neoliberal America and the west shafting the region.