Is it true that a library card is an equivalent substitute for a humanities education? I heard I can save a lot of tuition money that way. Apparently the job outlook for humanities is horrible and they are super-easy courses that pot-heads take as electives.

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Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:37:31 2010 No.1134394 [Reply] [Original]

Is it true that a library card is an equivalent substitute for a humanities education?

I heard I can save a lot of tuition money that way. Apparently the job outlook for humanities is horrible and they are super-easy courses that pot-heads take as electives.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:37:31 2010 No.1134395 >>1134394 Ive been wondering the same thing OP. You raise a valid and perplexing question.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:38:31 2010 No.1134397 >>1134394 Not even original...

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:38:31 2010 No.1134398 >>1134395 Indeed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:39:31 2010 No.1134399 Speaking from experience. Yes they are relatively easy, and actually being high during class facilitates better discussions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:42:31 2010 No.1134403 Yes. Humanities degrees are more of a coaster than even a liberal arts degree.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:42:31 2010 No.1134406 >>1134403 Yep. They are equally easy I agree. Fuck everything that isn't fact or hard-science

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:44:24 2010 No.1134415 File: 362 KB, 500x610, tumblr_l8grrqjH4C1qam7ixo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1134406 >implying fact or truth inherently exists outside of a conceptualized system of knowledge >mfw I fell for this troll

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:46:31 2010 No.1134419 >>1134406 Science is just theories dawg.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:53:24 2010 No.1134431 File: 26 KB, 338x450, paul2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>>1134415 >mfw you nearly trolled me

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 02:54:31 2010 No.1134432 >a library card is an excellent complement to a humanities education

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:02:31 2010 No.1134453 File: 134 KB, 957x683, Public_Library_The.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I go here whenever I want to study humanities.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:05:31 2010 No.1134458 File: 41 KB, 800x659, gravity-just-a-theory.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1134419 >Science is just theories dawg. This is what humanities majors actually believe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:06:31 2010 No.1134459 "The lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client." Ever heard that expression? Often applies to autodidacts of literature I've met.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:08:31 2010 No.1134464 Oboi, it's this butthurt faggot again. Did your humanities professor refuse your advances? Sad about that little restraining order?

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strangely, everyone who went to a liberal arts college and studied humanities with me seems to have a great job.

sounds like some science+hard+facts trolls is mad tho because of something-something-no-bitches-with-glasses? go give the library a shot, i'm sure you'll get four straight years of education out of it, you fucking blowhard. [translation: even if you tried, you'd never]

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:12:31 2010 No.1134473

>>1134394
ugh. NO. i dont know about where YOU live but the job outlook for having a B.A. is not horrible, as long as you are open to a bit further schooling afterwards. try getting a job with just a library card education, then come back. ughhh, im so sick of people who think like this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:13:31 2010 No.1134476 >>1134471 THANK YOU. there's your answer OP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:13:31 2010 No.1134478 File: 129 KB, 903x668, kids.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1134464 Oh look it's this butthurt faggot again. How does it feel to not be able to do math? You may need one of these.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:13:31 2010 No.1134479 >>1134459 that applies to all english majors

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:15:31 2010 No.1134483 >>1134471 so flipping burgers is now a "good job" according to feminist social lit theory? k thnx

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:16:31 2010 No.1134485

>>1134458

lol is that what science kids learn? that gravity is a FACT and that's what matters?

Humanities these days is all about subjectivity, moral relativity, a way of looking at reality that's a lot more interesting than super-strings magnetizing quarks to dark holes. oh i'm sorry, that type of shit is super important when the universe collapses in 35 billion years, hypothetically, unless the universe is based on non-euclidean geometry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:18:31 2010 No.1134486 >>1134485 humanities students are some of the worst people you'll ever meet lazy, dirty, rude, uninspired they are too dumb to do science so they just cruise in lit classes getting A's cuz the course work is cake

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:20:31 2010 No.1134490 >>1134485 No, we "science kids" learn that every hypothesis should be proven by facts so that it eventually becomes a theory, only to be replaced by a hypothesis which explains the phenomena even better, and thus the cycle begins again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:21:31 2010 No.1134491 >>1134479 Well, you're obviously not the best at critical thinking, guy. Maybe some classes in argument and rhetoric might help.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:35:31 2010 No.1134511 >>1134486 dood, getting a's in college level humanities classes is fucking hard unless you go to podunk u.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:40:31 2010 No.1134516

>>1134511
it absolutely is not hard at all. i went to a top 20 college, majored in english, and spent 90% of my time jerking off. i wrote every single paper i was assigned in one night, except my honors thesis, which i wrote in about 2 weeks, and which i got an A on. All of that is 100% true.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:47:31 2010 No.1134535 >>1134516 For cereal bro? My iq aint that good but i rite good poems sometimes that my eng teacher likes but i dont think i write good papers

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:54:31 2010 No.1134539 Maybe if use the library card to read and absorb a shitload of books. Just having it won't make you educated though, I'm afraid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:56:31 2010 No.1134541 >>1134516 i guess u must be good at writing papers. what college?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 03:56:31 2010 No.1134543 >>1134539 Query: How does one absorb a book? Through osmosis perhaps?

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 04:04:31 2010 No.1134552

>implying that >50% of graduate-level jobs don't require outstanding ability in communication, argumentation, dialogue and critique
>implying that humanities degrees aren't the best way to teach young people critical and communicative skills
>implying the reason most humanities students find a hard time getting a job isn't because they haven't put any effort into it

We all know that science, maths, law and the like are a nice fast-track to a work placement, but those of who like to take the time to develop our skills and study what we enjoy, not what we think will be profitable, will be just fine. Thanks for your concern, but don't flatter yourselves thinking that we really care.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 04:05:31 2010 No.1134553 >>1134552 Well put, good sir.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 06:34:31 2010 No.1134672 >>1134552 I love music, reading, art, philosophy, languages, psychology, sociology, and cultural/media studies. I'm going for a master's in particle and plasma physics because I happen to love that more. Get off your fucking high horse.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 06:44:31 2010 No.1134674 SAGE FOR RETARDED TROLL POST

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 06:55:31 2010 No.1134679

>>1134672

>particle and plasma physics

You'll be in the same position as all the rest of us who chose our passions as our careers. You think there are more jobs in physics than in the humanities? You're sadly mistaken, sir. Less, if anything. But I do applaud your courage to pursue your dream like we do. The jobs are always there if a person with a degree puts in the effort.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 07:12:31 2010 No.1134689 >>1134552 >sciences and math >not intelligent and/or driven enough to produce works of interest >settle as a high school teacher >bankroll that shit

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 07:24:31 2010 No.1134698

>>1134689

1) Study physics because you love it
2) Do data collection all through undergrad, looking for the big payoff of discovering a new particle
3) Graduate near the top of your class
4) Ooops, graduating near the top of your class isn't enough to get you into CalTech
5) realize you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning than discovering a new particle
6) Look for job as consultant
7) Oops, gotta work for the man now, doing shit you hate so the company makes money
8) Hate job because this isn't when you signed up for when you decided to major in physics
9) Quit job
10) Go to law school
11) ??????????
12) PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!

... or do you??

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 07:38:31 2010 No.1134709 >>1134698 Law degree - cost: one human soul

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 07:40:50 2010 No.1134710 [DELETED]

Honestly, unless youre going to MIT or Caltech for your hard science degree, enjoying extracting the urine from rats. Either way, I deplore the idea of humanities education because the context in which the humanities were developed were, as we have seen, deluded by narratives of cultural heritage and other nonsense which has since been crushed. I would say that truly it would be better for artists to study something else, to become members of society and then to improve society by the influence of our passions. I have chosen a different path altogether, going to school to teach english as a foreign language--which is not so serious to me. I really think you all are bickering over nothing--it's like watching too drunken rednecks fight over a bar skank.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 07:44:31 2010 No.1134713 >>1134709 That was my point.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 07:56:31 2010 No.1134723

>>1134698
>>1134679

Fun fact: With my master's in physics, I'm probably going to end up managing front of house for a local theater for a pittance because I adore that theater to death.

Even though I've already gotten a lot of job offers related to my field.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 07:59:31 2010 No.1134727 >>1134723 I love you :3 I think more scientists should go into the arts and more artists should try to do their homework and study the sciences. what a difference this would make.

>>	onionring !Rrxa7zePwI Fri Sep 17 08:01:31 2010 No.1134728 not at all. i do agree that it's not a real degree though, it's just basic stuff everyone should study.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 08:06:31 2010 No.1134736

>>1134728
This. I'm pretty sure that the classical concept of university held sciences and humanities as both essential to receiving your degree. Colleges have become a joke, the idea being that you go to this inflated trade school where you will receive training for a carreer and so on and so on. It is really a fucking mess and Sciences without the humanities are just as impotent as humanities without science. I don't know if you know this, but there is more to Science than making 700k a year to start. Scientists should be passionate, inventive and dare i say creative to be truly capable of innovating. This is what the humanities would have taught aspiring scientists. In stead, we have socially inept lab techs with a false sense of superiority. Humanities have become a joke, they have lost a sense of rigour and truly have becoming something you can smoke your way through. The whole thing is ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 08:06:31 2010 No.1134738 depends on what you want to study, humanities is broad. If you just want to read a shit ton of books, then yea. i studied ancient greek and latin, for that shit you'll probably need an instructor who is well versed in the languages.

>>	onionring !Rrxa7zePwI Fri Sep 17 08:09:31 2010 No.1134743 >>1134736 word bro

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 08:13:31 2010 No.1134749 If you want to make good money and have an interesting job, get into funerary services. I swear to God, if you can stomach it it's great. I feel that I've found my calling in life.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 08:15:31 2010 No.1134754 >>1134743 so glad to see you back, onionring. well maybe you never left, but the trips on /lit/ have taken a turn for the worse.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 08:31:31 2010 No.1134770

>>1134736

Kall me krazy, but in my life I have never known anyone in the hard sciences to make 700K a year, unless you meant Mexican pesos. The best-paid true scientists are tenured professors, who make about the same as a middle-manager in your average office. The most they can hope for is a good retirement plan.

Also, about the other thing: undergrad does require you to take a very well-rounded course load. If they don't do that in grad school, it's only because THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SPECIALIZE, FOOL.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 08:35:31 2010 No.1134774

>>1134770
Well I think this is just not true. A BA does not have to take advanced science or math courses, and a BS does not have to venture into the humanities very deeply. Also, school is for fools, i like to do opiates and travel the world. I mean for fuck sake i've got this terminal disease and i'm in love with love from my head to my shoes.
>heroin using vagabond
>all the adventure that i want
>1 life worth living forever

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:21:31 2010 No.1134811 Any job you can get with a humanities degree, barring a job teaching humanities, you could have gotten with any degree whatsoever.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:26:31 2010 No.1134816
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and so goes the problem with the american school system. college is now treated as a vocational school.

weber, when visiting america noticed a keen difference between american and german students. the german student, he said, learned far far more than his american counterpart.

the difference between the two cultures was this: the german student looked to his professor as an intellectual superior. he said to his teacher: "professor your are wise. you live in a different status of society than i do. i want to understand your worldview, help me elevate myself to your level. give me a whole different way of living" basically the german student puts an incredible value on the education he is receiving. knowledge for the sake of knowledge. this of course leads to innovation, creativity, etc.

however, in america he found that the american student says this to his professor: "sell me your knowledge for my father's money" as if one were buying a cabbage. the american student wants the information and the techniques that the professor knows so that he can then go off and make money with it.

and this explains why you get posts such as these. smarmy income-focuses young men short shrifting the humanities because money, not knowledge is the goal of education. we can do well as a society to take knowledge for knowledge's sake and strive for something beyond the maximalization of of income.

so the short answer is no. no it isn't. college allows for the introduction of techniques, instruction, discussion and exposure to ideas and interpretations that aren't just yourself alone in your head.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:29:31 2010 No.1134820 humanities aren't easy at all, I have hundreds of pages of reading a week and an epic fuckton of essays.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:38:31 2010 No.1134831 >>1134820 Oh no. Reading and writing. I certainly didn't do that in kindergarten.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:42:31 2010 No.1134835 >>1134816 but you can get all that from the internet and the library knowledge isn't a commodity, as you said, so therefore it can be obtained for free at the library

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:44:31 2010 No.1134837 >>1134831 now tell me, did you do critical analysis and literary theory in kindergarten?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:45:31 2010 No.1134842 >>1134835 the difference is in instruction and guidance. not self-guidance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:45:31 2010 No.1134844 >>1134837 Yes. It's easy. Let's think about the book "Pat the Bunny". It's about petting a bunny and how soft it is. Analysis: bunnies are cute and soft. No socioeconomic stratification, no gender roles, no racism or white guilt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:46:31 2010 No.1134845 >>1134842 the books guide the reader, and there are books available about those books besides all of their analyses are subjective so it doesn't matter what anyone thinks

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:47:31 2010 No.1134848 >>1134845 >besides all of their analyses are subjective so it doesn't matter what anyone thinks The modern scientist, ladies and gentlemen.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:52:31 2010 No.1134861

>>1134845

true, one can read companion texts. however, there is stlll something to be said for the individual attention and investment one receives from an intellectually superior instructor. not to mention learning communally with peers whom you can bounce ideas off and have ideas bounced on you.

and subjectivity does matter. what century is it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:52:31 2010 No.1134862 >>1134848 at least i can tell the difference between an opinion and a fact guess they didn't teach you that in your "critical thinking" class faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:53:31 2010 No.1134864 >>1134848 Seems to me that viewpoint is more along the lines of a humanities student. Or maybe everything you can learn in that field is something a regular human with no social problems already knows.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:54:31 2010 No.1134866

>>1134844
The perversity of the bunny, an archetype which lingers on the edge of our conscience due to its clear implications as a symbol of reproduction e.g. sexuality--imparted in warm, inviting obtuseness for the young reader to become acquainted with its own passing infantile sexuality. Pat the bunny, an oblique reference to masturbation, engages the young mind with an indifference towards future sexual development, but also with a caring and nurturing attitude towards the young agent of sexuality and its agency.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:55:31 2010 No.1134868

>>1134861
>peers
welcome to the internet. besides, learning communally is a hindrance; everyone learns at different speeds

humanities professors are obsolete. all they do is teach people how to teach other people, it's worse than a ponzi scheme. they can't disseminate information any more efficiently or effectively than one of the million books which have already been written

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:55:31 2010 No.1134869

>>1134862
Actually, you cannot tell the difference between objective cultural content and opinion, the fact that you think literary theory is ''subjective'' demonstrates your ignorance of the subject and why you should take it more seriously or pass over it in silence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:55:31 2010 No.1134870 >>1134862 You're just looking at things incredibly simply. Not surprising for a scientist, but there you go.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:57:31 2010 No.1134873

>>1134866
An example of why literary theorists need to be euthanized

You first create the answer, then look for the questions that weren't asked within the source text, and then claim that it's "close reading"

sometimes a bunny is just a bunny, and you aren't a psychologist

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:59:31 2010 No.1134877

>>1134873
Actually, a bunny is never just a bunny and anyone with even a cursory knowledge of semiotics would know this. I mean, their is denotation and connotation--and this is not some advanced form of semiotics it is basic English 111 material, which I suppose you find to be irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:59:31 2010 No.1134878 >>1134866 This is a good example of what every examination of literary theory becomes once you get out of middle school.

>>	onionring !Rrxa7zePwI Fri Sep 17 09:59:31 2010 No.1134879 >implying that anon is a scientist

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:59:31 2010 No.1134881

>>1134869
you're creating illusions and calling them facts, it's a real perversion of the word "theory" you've got going there, and you're still broadcasting your opinions which don't matter

>>1134870
maybe you should use some of your powers of interpretation to understand what i am saying instead of resorting to ad hominems

guess you skipped the rhetorical analysis course

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 09:59:31 2010 No.1134884 >>1134877 there* (yeah, i know, an ironic typographical error completely undermines my argument huehuehuehue)

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:01:31 2010 No.1134886 >>1134884 IF YOU WERE A LIBRARIAN, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:01:31 2010 No.1134887 >>1134877 If I imagine something to be true, can I borrow your jargon words to make the dream more convincing?

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:02:31 2010 No.1134888

>>1134881
Uhm actually, I am not creating illusions, but rather recognizing that culture has a multiplicity of meaning and is not like maths. It is you who fail at a basic understanding of cultural ''meaning''. I suppose that hansel and gretel was really only a story about children being accosted by a witch? Why do you even bother with literature?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:02:31 2010 No.1134890 >>1134873 the death of curiosity

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:03:31 2010 No.1134891

>>1134887
If you really care, then yes you can study what the jargon actually implies, and use these concepts to enhance your imagining which is not, perhaps, as materially gratifying as extracting the urine from a rat in a lab, but all the same it gives some of us great joy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:04:31 2010 No.1134895 >>1134891 I JUST LIKE READING QUALITY LITERATURE, AND THINKING: "YES, THIS FUCKING MAN KNEW HIS SHIT" AND HAVING THAT SMILE I HAVE, AND THE OCCASIONAL NOD OF THE HEAD.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:05:31 2010 No.1134898 >>1134888 fact: "pat the bunny" has no cultural meaning, all of your posts are irrelevant go back to reading books about gay black jewish women being oppressed i think that better suits your rampant dogmatism

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:05:31 2010 No.1134899 File: 11 KB, 244x300, 66558-004-DCD5505D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this thread is now about semiotics and how contemporary "hard science" students have no idea

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:07:31 2010 No.1134903 >>1134890 It's not curiosity, it's something most people call "making shit up".

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:07:31 2010 No.1134906

>>1134891
I can study that in a library for free, but I won't because what you know doesn't matter. My knowledge is being put to use. You spend your time idle on the internet. You spend/will be spending 40,000+ dollars of either your own or someone else's money (maybe your governments) to be a pro at...internet debate. Except you failed at that too.

You should have gotten a job fixing A/C units

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:08:31 2010 No.1134907

>>1134898
>implying a product of culture has no cultural meaning
ya dun goofed. also it's funny how racist and misogynistic the denigration of humanities becomes when it is exposed for its own ignorance.
>jewish, black, woman
yeah, that's what i care about. you are such a fucking philistine. go back to not being a scientist but projecting your insecurities into a fantasy which you maintain to grant you a sense of grandiose pride.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:10:31 2010 No.1134910 >>1134906 YES! YOU FUCKING BEAUTIFUL PRODUCT YOU! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LEADING TO, RIGHT HERE: >>1134902

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:10:31 2010 No.1134911

>>1134899
>The theory and study of signs and symbols, especially as elements of language or other systems of communication, and comprising semantics, syntactics, and pragmatics
The problems arise when you start seeing things that aren't there. That's like me applying physics equations related to gravity's speed in order to explain why some people are born with six toes.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:11:31 2010 No.1134913

>>1134899
Seriously, they say things like ''I JUST READ GREAT LITERATURE AND LOVE HOW IT JUST MAKES SENSE AND ITS GOOD''
like, how does it make sense, what is sense, what is good, etc? They really feel like these questions are irrelevant. Worse, they believe that all language corresponds to real objects in space, and not even Wittgenstein supported such a retarded and flat notion of language. Of course, Wittgenstein would beat the shit out of these ''scientists'' and at the same time formulate some brilliant exposition on language games.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:12:31 2010 No.1134916

>>1134903

it does actually kind of blow mind mind when scientists or the scientifically minded dismiss the humanities and social sciences. it's like wha--you realize you're all working in sync with one another, right?

and as others have already pointed out, it's something most people call "semiotics." you know, the last 150 years of linguistic thought?

maybe you should read more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:12:31 2010 No.1134917 >>1134913 doesn't take a degree to explain why good art is good just takes time spent with the art your knowledge is worthless as usual

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:13:31 2010 No.1134919

>>1134911
That's just it, you cannot ''see things that aren't there''..e.g. you cannot imagine the unimaginable. Theory does not just ''make it up'', there is objective cultural content that is encoded in even the most simple phrases of the every day. It is not about some verifiable, material truth but rather engaging with text in a way that even you do, but I think you do it at such a rudimentary level you are really missing the point of creative arts. Which, does not surprise me for how poorly you think of the study of humanities.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:14:31 2010 No.1134921 >>1134916 >kind of blow mind mind proof that humanities students should be quarantined

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:14:31 2010 No.1134922 >>1134916 What

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:14:31 2010 No.1134923 >>1134911 hey let's just throw einsteinian physics out the window then. that shit just isn't there!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:15:31 2010 No.1134924 >>1134917 >just takes time spent with art LOL you are saying such hilariously ignorant shit. No, it does not take a degree, but it does take insight and intuitive, creative ability which you shun every way you can.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:18:31 2010 No.1134932 >>1134924 >creativity, intuition, insight These things cannot be taught in colleges. You just went double retard. P.S. those creative writing courses that you're taking are a waste of money

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:18:31 2010 No.1134933 >>1134923 exactly. the same minds who accept the abstraction of cosmology and quantum theory have a problem with the system of signs and symbols. jesus christ.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:20:31 2010 No.1134941

>>1134933
One set of these symbols are based upon measured reality, the other set is based upon projections of your imagination upon the projections of crazy people's imaginations.

Guess which ability is taken seriously enough to merit a high paying job out of college?

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:21:31 2010 No.1134942

>>1134932
AND NOT ONLY DO I LEARN ABOUT ACCOUNTING IN MY STUDIES, IT OFFERS A WIDE VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE BUSINESS SPECTRUM, AS ACCOUNTING IS ARGUABLY THE CORE OF THE BUSINESS.

I CAN READ BOOKS AND APPRECIATE THEM WITHOUT GOING TO UNIVERSITY.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:23:31 2010 No.1134944 >>1134942 And not only can you appreciate them, but you can understand them just as well as any humanities major. Plus, the only thing that matters is what popular opinion dictates as meaning, not what some stuffy professor says in a dusty office.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:24:31 2010 No.1134945

>>1134932
Oh really? Basic ability can't be taught? I never knew! (It can be developed in school)
>>1134941
>high paying job
why don't you just go fall into a pit of dicks already? The desire for understanding, for aesthetic engagement, etc. is not the desire for a fucking worthless position in some think tank or whatever the fuck ''high paying job'' you are suggesting is available for semioticians. The point is that you don't fucking get literary theory, and you are being so ignorant that it's no longer cute.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:25:31 2010 No.1134946

>>1134944
WHEN I READ BOOKS, I DON'T DO ANY RESEARCH ON THEM PRIOR TO READING THEM.

WHY?

IT WOULD ALLOW ME TO GAIN A PURE OPINION ON THE WORK ITSELF, WITHOUT IDEAS OF OTHERS BEING PLANTED IN MY MIND.

AFTER FINISHING IT, WITH MY OWN THOUGHTS IN HAND, I CAN DO A FEW GOOGLE SEARCHES AND COMPARE OR WHATEVER.

REALLY, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:27:31 2010 No.1134949 >>1134945 SEE >>1134946 YOU CAN GAIN THIS DEEP LITERARY MEANING BULLSHIT WITH A SIMPLE GOOGLE SEARCH IT'S THE FUCKING TRUTH

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:27:31 2010 No.1134950 How are pragmatics, linguistics, symbols etc not 'real' ya'll crazy

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:27:31 2010 No.1134951

>>1134946
Yes, and this is why noone really cares about your opinions on books, because you are only reading them and whatever that's cool but theory is a discipline, a practice with its own methodology and terminology and for those engaged it is meaningful and even if it doesn't pay the rent, it makes us feel a bit more love for ourselves and eachother and you fucking morons really don't understand literature which is probably why this board only talks about books that I read before highschool.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:28:31 2010 No.1134952 >>1134946 >PURE OPINION I understand where you're coming from but you know there's no such thing right

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:28:31 2010 No.1134953 >>1134951 You are the most pretentious person I have ever seen on the internet ever.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:30:31 2010 No.1134956

>>1134945
There's nothing to get in your 'literary theory'. You're using the word 'theory' incorrectly; please allow the real thinkers (scientists) to use that word, instead of children such as yourself.

The fact of the matter is that you're studying something which doesn't need to be taught and can be acquired at a near zero cost. I'm sorry that it is screwing up your self-actualization process with regard to how much value you have as a person, but I'm going to enjoy being a productive individual who does things that makes a society able to provide for special little snowflakes like yourself. I know you don't "care about money" but the reward is only a measurement of my importances, and your rapidly fading relevance to the social machineries about which you are incorrectly forming 'theories' about

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:30:31 2010 No.1134957

>>1134951
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION EITHER, EVEN WITH YOUR WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER

HAHA, SUCKS TO BE YOU! WE'RE ON THE SAME FUCKING LEVEL, AND I DIDN'T DEDICATE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND YEARS OF MY LIFE FOR IT! I GAINED THE SAME SHIT FROM LEISURELY ACTIVITIES

YOU ASSUME THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE I DIDN'T STUDY THAT USELESS MAJOR THAT YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT LITERATURE THAN I? IS THAT WHAT THEY TEACH YOU IN YOUR CLASSES?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:32:31 2010 No.1134960 >>1134952 WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE PREEXISTING IDEAS ABOUT THE TEXT INSTILLED IN MY HEAD PRIOR TO READING IT, AS IT MAY ALTER MY PERCEPTION OF THE WORK UPON READING IT.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:32:31 2010 No.1134961 >>1134953 he's pissed but i don't think he's being pretentious. the pretense in this thread is coming from those representing the hard sciences. again, modern science and modern semiotics are both doing the same thing in terms of abstraction

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:33:31 2010 No.1134962

>>1134951
>>1134951
>even if it doesn't pay the rent, it makes us feel a bit more love for ourselves
The words of a chronic masturbator and pot smoker. Let apply some "interpretation" for you: you are not a productive member of society. You wasted your parents' hard-earned money so that you could make posts on 4chan about 'loving people' while living in squalor. You spit in the face of human progress while producing nothing of value, and become angry when someone tells you that your mind is full of nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:33:31 2010 No.1134963 >>1134961 BUT I STUDY ACCOUNTING.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:34:31 2010 No.1134965 >>1134962 I LIKE THIS GUY, BECAUSE HE TELLS IT HOW IT IS.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:34:31 2010 No.1134966

These threads, as obvious-troll as they are, always make me wonder... is this really the case in the USA?
Is a humanities degree entirely useless in your job market?
Where I'm from, things are much different - a good humanities education can land you a role in upper level management in just about any industry going, regardless of whether you know anything about the industry in question.

I believe the reason for this is, while studies in science/economics/law are designed to fill a brain with a certain type of knowledge, humanities degrees (providing they're of a high standard, of course) are used to create a superior class of people.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:34:31 2010 No.1134967

>>1134957
the jokes on you, because I don't have a degree, either. I simply have commited myself more rigorously to the same leisure activities, and probably I just have a greater innate ability in this subject, which is why I am capable of advanced concepts. I wouldn't touch a degree in Literature, I am a loving druggy who likes to travel, which I do by making money doing stagehand jobs and construction work. I live a really un-academic life, but that does not prevent me from understanding that there is more meaning in a book then what is blatantly stated. Do you people simply not believe in the subconscious or unconscious? What other fundamental concepts do you wish to throw out?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:35:31 2010 No.1134968 >>1134961 He's extremely pretentious. Everyone claiming to know more than anyone about anything in the field of literature here is being extremely pretentious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:37:31 2010 No.1134970 >>1134966 WHAT COUNTRY ARE YOU FROM?

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:38:31 2010 No.1134973

>>1134967
I say that a humanities degree has no monetary value and should not be taught in universities, you respond by saying that you aren't interested in school and some other irrelevant crap about your shitty life. You freely advertise that are satisfied with living in squalor and destroying both your body and mind, then say that some things have meaning. Thanks for a platitude-ridden post, keep 'em coming, the humanities students really need the help of folks like yourself.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:38:31 2010 No.1134974

>>1134962
What a waster you are, I suppose you are really productive to society, producing hamburgers for mcdonalds is it? No, I am just not a dishonest, intellectual coward--someone who denigrates masturbation while doing it compulsively, like you do. You won't touch your own sexuality with a ten foot pole, and yet you still beat your dick like it was Jocasta and you were her prodigal son. I have not wasted a single hour on a humanities education, that is the rub. Also, it is so petty to put down sentiments of the human heart. So easy and yet so shallow, because it means you are simply less capable than most in engaging others, and so you are mystified by such sentiments. In stead, you rely on a sense of rationality, which you, yourself are clearly not capable of to any appreciable degree. You got me all wrong, and I think what you have said is a very palpable example of projection. Also, my parents are more broke than I am and I sell drugs for a living (not pot lol that's small time)

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:40:31 2010 No.1134976

>>1134973
You say ''humanities shouldn't be taught'' as if you had the ability to do anything about it. you make ad-hominem attacks and fearful remarks about squalor, which you would know nothing about clearly. You are a spoiled-fucking brat I'm guessing.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:41:31 2010 No.1134977

>>1134974
>defending himself against a tongue-in-cheek ad hominem attack instead of the main point which was about the lack of value of a humanities education
Way to "read between the lines" kid; like every one of your fellow students, you have been trained to miss the point by miles and call it knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:42:31 2010 No.1134980 >>1134976 >resorting to name calling while providing no rebuttal Care to contribute anything useful to the discus- oh wait, that goes against everything you believe in. Get the fuck out of my thread.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:42:31 2010 No.1134981

WHEN YOU ARE A LEECH EITHER UPON SOCIETY AND/OR YOUR PARENTS, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER HOW LUCKY YOU ARE TO BE GIVEN THE SITUATION TO GAIN AN EDUCATION WITHOUT MUCH EFFORT.

YOU DON'T FUCKING WASTE IT ON AN ARTS DEGREE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY, YOU'RE GOING TO STUDY SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP CONTINUE THE CYCLE. UNEMPLOYMENT OR UNSKILLED LABOUR DOESN'T HELP.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:43:31 2010 No.1134983

>>1134977
What the fuck do you study except for the interior of vaginas on /b/? You didn't make any real points about values so far. You probably don't even know how to properly discuss values. You say empty things like ''humanities are not productive'' or ''the degree isn't lucrative'' and really it's all funny because you are impotent to change even one bit of how education is conducted. Stop bawwing and stick to whatever it is that you think is so productive. People who appreciate the humanities clearly know more about it than you do, so you aren't even arguing with your equals, but your betters and doing a really poor job of it as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:46:31 2010 No.1134987 >>1134983 >know more about humanities >ideas that are already burned into the human subconscious and everyone innately knows

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:46:31 2010 No.1134988

>>1134981
What is your solution, capslock? should we all go to vocational training? I don't get what the fuck it is you are proposing? What is your standard of productivity? What business do you have calling someone a leech when you could not live for more than five minutes outside of the consumerist superstructure police controlled environment of the west? What would you be without the kindness of others? WHAT THE FUCK MAN?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:48:31 2010 No.1134990 >>1134988 Hippie.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:48:31 2010 No.1134991

>>1134983
I can appreciate and understand books without wasting 40000 dollars on studying them, and still do things for society and hold real jobs, instead of working in black markets and doing the work of slaves. I am as much able to influence the debate concerning the value of certain kinds of education. The difference between you and I is this: my team is winning because we have a more convincing line of reasoning that isn't centered around mindless human constructs and instead about practical value and application. You're upset, just like an animal should be when it faces its own obsolescence.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:48:31 2010 No.1134992

>>1134987
See, this is the ignorance that I'm talking about. ''Burned into the human subconscious''
You don't even know how to use these concepts properly and you would really benefit from learning them, if only to give you rhetorical weight. Honestly, you have no business discussing these things.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:48:31 2010 No.1134993

>>1134960

But you'll always have pre-existing ideas. I personally sometimes do the same - read a book and try and discover meanings in it, then read what others think, so as not to 'pollute' my reading - but in the end it's a slightly silly endeavour. You're always going to come to it with preconceptions; they're just going to be either more or less specific.

A 'pure' reading of Shakespeare, or Swift, or Tristram Shandy, or Chaucer, isn't possible, nor desirable. What you think is a pure reading of Shakespeare or Chaucer will be a reading from a specific point in the space and time of the 21st century. That's fine and dandy, but it's inevitably going to cause you to mistake some things in the text as things you recognise. You may think, "oh, I know what that refers to!" And you don't because Shakespeare was writing 400 years ago and by all evidence things were rather different. When reading 'purely' it's too easy for that difference to disguise itself as semblance. Making itself invisible and masquerading as 'pure' is the first trick of ideology. That shouldn't be forgotten!

I guess what I'm saying is that critical reading and historical reading - notes on the text, introductions and whatever - are pretty essential for most texts beyond about 150 years old. Whereas your implication seemed to be that you don't need them. I respect the decision to attempt initially to do without them. But you do need them even if you don't realise it.

>>1134966

Yeah, it's very bizarre. In the UK where I live an English degree or a History degree are very worthy things to have. One of the most successful people I know has a history degree. Bizarro US aspies be trippin'.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:48:31 2010 No.1134994

>>1134983
YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD.

I AM 19 YEARS OLD, AND I AM GAINING AN EDUCATION IN A PROFESSION THAT I CAN CONTINUE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, CONTINUALLY PROGRESSING AND BETTERING MYSELF IN SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY I ENJOY, BUT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO RESULT IN QUITE A BIT OF TAX BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT THAT HELPED SUPPORT ME DURING MY STUDIES.

ASSUMING I HAVE ANOTHER 50-60 YEARS LEFT OF MY LIFE, THAT MEANS I HAVE 50-60 YEARS TO BETTER MY APPRECIATION AND UNDERSTANDING OF LITERATURE.

THERE'S NO FUCKING RUSH, WHEN YOU CAN READILY ACCESS SUCH MATERIALS FOR FREE, AND THAT A LOT OF THE LESSONS LEARNED IN LITERATURE WOULD BE EASIER TO ABSORB UPON DIFFERENT STAGES OF MY LIFE. HOW WOULD I BE ABLE TO RELATE TO TOLSTOY'S MANIFESTATION THROUGH HIS LITERATURE TO HIS FEAR OF A WORTHLESS LIFE AND HIS AWAKENING OF CHRISTIANITY WHEN I'M 19 YEARS OLD? WOULD BE A LOT EASIER FOR ME TO RELATE TO LATER ON IN MY YEARS, NO?

IN 20-30 YEARS I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE BOTH OF US ARE. YOU, UNEMPLOYED AND FUCKED IN THE BRAIN BY DRUGS. ME, AN UPCOMING PROFESSIONAL STILL ENJOYING THE BEAUTY OF LITERATURE.

I SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING!

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:49:31 2010 No.1134996

>>1134970

Take a guess, my friend.
It is of little importance to my question though; are the humanities really so disregarded in the USA or, as I imagine might be true, is this 'library card' troll thought up by someone who doesn't know wtf they are talking about?

In my opinion, the sciences and humanities are the two most important schools of study for any advanced society. The reasons for this are fairly obvious to anyone with a decent education in either. If anyone wishes to point a finger at the most meritless members of society then that would be the law students (my cursory knowledge of the USA suggests the problem is even worse over there than it is here).

Society cannot survive without scientists and thinkers, whereas we'd all be far better off if a plague could wipe out the world's lawyers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:50:31 2010 No.1134997 >>1134993 >In the UK where I live an English degree or a History degree are very worthy things to have And Europeans wonder why their economies are falling apart

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:51:31 2010 No.1134999

>>1134991
The difference between you and I is that you think you are on a team, and that there is a ''winning'' or losing, and I understand the alteriority of life, and don't feel the need to group myself arbitrarily with some vague notion of a collective agency. The difference between you and I, is that I concern myself with things that I know and give my love to, if not love my sincerity, while you spend time denigrating the work of others to assuage what I must assume is a feeling of inferiority. If you really don't care for the humanities, you can post in /sci/ or you can go and do your great productive work. The truth is that you are under so many levels of delusion and culturally reinforced ignorance that talking about this to you is the real futility.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:52:31 2010 No.1135000

>>1134988
WELL, THE FUNDS GIVEN TO ME BY THE GOVERNMENT ARE HALF 'FREE', THE OTHER HALF ON A LOAN WITH SOME INTEREST.

TAX PAID THROUGH MY FUTURE EMPLOYMENT RELATED TO MY PROFESSION WOULD MORE THAN ACCOMMODATE FOR THIS AND MY COUNTRY IS FACING A SEVERE LACK OF PROFESSIONALS AND IS RELYING ON IMMIGRATION TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN DEMAND AND SUPPLY. NOT A GOOD LONG-TERM PLAN FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:52:31 2010 No.1135001

>>1134991
>I can appreciate and understand books without wasting 40000 dollars on studying them

Holy fucking shit is this for real? A degree costs 40k in your country??
I'm assuming this is at the best institutes, right?

No wonder all you guys can think about is money...

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:53:31 2010 No.1135002

>>1134996
Thinkers can get their education for free. And to what end? That's right, it's for making posts on forums and blogs. It is not worth the amount of time, money, or effort required to get a degree, and should not have the same level of certification as people who get degrees which are worthwhile.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:53:31 2010 No.1135003 >>1134993 At least Americans can understand the benefit of actual work. Life is about doing, not asking why we do it. It may be a popular notion for young people, but most young people also eventually grow out of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:53:31 2010 No.1135004 >>1134997 LAST TIME I CHECK, THE UNITED STATE'S WAS FUCKED UP TOO.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:55:31 2010 No.1135006

>>1134994
What profession? Also, do you even know what ''retard'' means? I really don't concern myself with your borderline-religious notion of duty, which I find to be really weak-minded. Actually, fuck that, I respect you. I honestly do. I think what you are doing is fine. The problem is that you are trying to denigrate my truth and my life without knowing a bit of it. I am not going to continue to put you down. You really are immature to think that life is not about variation and instead believe that there is a ''correct'' way to live. I might be burned out by drugs in 20 years, although, I really spend my time writing plays and making love to girls that I like and travelling as well. I really don't think that I need to be a company man, and I wouldn't be any good at it anyway. This doesn't bother me so why does it bother you people so much?

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:56:31 2010 No.1135007

Jesus christ, what's with these threads? It's like Foucault infected all your parents with HIV or something. like what the fuck? and what's with all the fucking pseudo-christian ethics under the disguise of a spurious rationality? "Living in squalour, fucking up your body, you bad, bad man!! You are not a productive member of society, whatever that means!!!" What is this, 1850?

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:56:31 2010 No.1135008

>>1134999
>trying to use the power of nihilism to undermine absolute facts
No thanks. The world is changing into a place where your education has a monetary value of zero. You are worthless and so is your knowledge. I have value and my knowledge earns me money which I can use to invest in a better society. Your knowledge and ample quantities of free time which result from chronic joblessness/jobs which require an IQ of zero enable you to write long scriptures which calibrate the precise degree of your own self-importance, which, ironically, is deeply rooted in the same delusional tendencies which you project onto your fellow anonymous online posters

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:57:31 2010 No.1135009 >>1135003 what do you do?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 10:59:31 2010 No.1135010 >>1135008 /thread

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:00:31 2010 No.1135011

>>1135007
seriously, what is wrong with these puritans?
>>1135008
I have stated and restated that I have not gone to school for anything related to humanities. I actually do get my knowledge with my library card, and I don't really make that big a deal of it. It is people like you that are so butthurt that other people value things which you do not. You make all these statements about my life and they are all wrong. You really don't know enough about the humanities to objectively discuss their value, except in terms of the ''job market'' which you seem to have even less knowledge of. Stop using words like Nihilism when you don't understand them, please.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:01:31 2010 No.1135012 >>1135010 more like /samefagging please or better yet /yourmiserablelife

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:01:45 2010 No.1135013 [DELETED]

>>1135006

Yeah, Foucault-HIV guy here, I don't understand it at all. It's like the stick that gets thrown at vegetarians. I have never in my life been harassed or looked down on by a vegetarian. No vegetarian has ever told me I'm going to hell. And yet in certain company -- especially on the internet - one only needs to say the word to prompt loud raving and ranting about how fucking annoying vegetarians are and they should all be shot. Seriously? Seriously, you care this much about someone having different fucking dietary choices than you? But the same goes for people's reactions to 'feminism', of course. It just surprises me all too frequently how vicious 'dominant' ideas can be in their own unnecessary protection.

>>1135003

I'm afraid I don't know how that's related to anything at all. Perhaps you are saying it's more honest work to read a book yourself than to 'study' it. Which is obviously untrue.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:02:31 2010 No.1135014 >>1135011 >still talking about his identity as if he has one here and people are keeping track and it is relevant in any way to anything You. Do. Not. Matter.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:04:31 2010 No.1135015

>>1135006

Yeah, Foucault-HIV guy here, I don't understand it at all. It's like the stick that gets thrown at vegetarians. I have never in my life been harassed or looked down on by a vegetarian. No vegetarian has ever told me I'm going to hell. And yet in certain company -- especially on the internet - one only needs to say the word to prompt loud raving and ranting about how fucking annoying vegetarians are and they should all be shot. Seriously? Seriously, you care this much about someone having different fucking dietary choices than you? It surprises me all too frequently how vicious people can be in defence of an idea that doesn't need defending - in the apprehension of difference as threat.

>>1135003

I'm afraid I don't know how that's related to anything at all. Perhaps you are saying it's more honest work to read a book yourself than to 'study' it. Which is obviously untrue.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:04:31 2010 No.1135017

>>1135013
lol. i like you foucault-hiv guy. I think that a lot of the people itt are kind of underage and trying to prove themselves, and maybe their ideas of vegetarianism and feminism come from their dumb little peers who don't know anything about it, but profess it anyway. I really don't know, but it disturbs me that young people would be so conservative in their views. They act like nihilism is such a threat to cultural progress but by definition conservatism has to be worse for cultural progress.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:06:31 2010 No.1135020

>>1135014
>implying. anyone. matters.
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO HURT. ME? DO YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE ME CRY?
do you think that I care if i matter, or that I have somehow come this far in life with a notion of ''mattering'' and have not become philisophical through lived experience and abstract consideration? Lrn2 Stoicism,Pyrrhonism,Platonism, etc. etc.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:06:31 2010 No.1135021

>>1135014

If he doesn't matter, why are people spending so much time responding to a strawman of him?

It kind of shows up people's priorities when they spend posts and posts assuming a parent-funded "leech" lifestyle or an expensive humanities degree that he does not, in fact, have. Maybe who he really is doesn't matter, but his availability as a scarecrow to everyone else obviously does. Because otherwise we'd be talking in a more rational way about whether semiotics is of any "practical" value - and perhaps, oh god, perhaps once stopping to interrogate what "practical" means - instead of shouting at him for being a drain on society or a sinful beggar or whatever else an 18th century magistrate would have said about him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:08:31 2010 No.1135024 >>1135020 >do you think that I care if i matter You're the one who's put his life's story into the thread as if it's supposed to be some kind of rebuttal. Way2GoBro! You stuck it to the man with your stupid crap life! >-isms and other buzzwords lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:08:31 2010 No.1135025 File: 73 KB, 400x360, 1274621129186.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1135007 i love you

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:10:31 2010 No.1135029 >>1135024 huehuehue ''stoicism'' is a buzzword. I really think you are a fucking kid and you need to go make your bed before you throw a temper tantrum. i'm going to go read some jean cocteau and actually know what i'm reading.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:10:31 2010 No.1135030 >>1135021 but society would be so much better if you people just got jobs and did useful things with your time that's why the world has been yelling at you for centuries, because your dumb + lazy and we just want the best for everyone

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:11:31 2010 No.1135031

>>1135029
>further name-dropped
You're going to keep checking to see if people have responded favorably to your posts and being angry when they don't. You don't read books, you just talk about them using language which makes you appear smart amongst other members of your tribe.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:12:31 2010 No.1135032

>>1135021
lol. HUMANITIES?! ARE THERE NO WORK HOUSES? ARE THERE NO PRISONS?
yeah, so, foucault-hiv guy, what do you think about semiotics? Do you like this trend in language theory or do you prefer the pragmatists or the austrian school or what? You fascinate me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:12:31 2010 No.1135034 >>1135031 fart

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:13:31 2010 No.1135036 >>1135030 I know what's best for me and it's not working productively. Sorry. >>1135031 Oh jeez, I'm sorry I keep mentioning people you don't know, you bleeding-heart conservative.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:14:31 2010 No.1135038 >>1135030 >your dumb your so dumb, forreal. hide ya kids hide ya wife hide ya kids hide ya wife cuz they deconstructing errbody out here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:15:31 2010 No.1135041 >>1135036 that's right. what's best for you is suicide. science will make it painless with drugs. you are actively marginalizing the burden you have placed upon society by dying. plz go away

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:16:31 2010 No.1135042
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>>1135021

what is the matter with you??? humanities?? critical analysis?!? literary theory?!?! YOU WANT ME TO READ DERRIDA?!?!?!

you are corrupting the youth! drink this hemlock you swine!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:17:31 2010 No.1135043 >>1135041 No I am going to stick around to spread myself like a disease and I'm going to steal and be perverse. I am going to listen to the lamentations of your women. You fuckers really need to read ''Lady Chatterly's Lover''. Just sayin'.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:23:31 2010 No.1135053 >>1135043 you are alone in your semiosphere

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:24:31 2010 No.1135054 IT'S ALMOST 1:30 AM, GOING TO READ A BIT BEFORE GOING TO SLEEP REMEMBER /LIT/, I LOVE YOU. HOW ABOUT WE ALL TAKE THE NEXT 30 MINUTES TO READ TO CALM DOWN? WOULDN'T THAT BE LOVELY?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:29:31 2010 No.1135061 >>1135054 the voice of reason, now in capslock.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:29:31 2010 No.1135062

>>1134394

I think we all agree with OP.

It's only worth getting a humanities/liberal arts degree if you already have a real job, some money saved up, and are just looking for a way to take a 4 year vacation

the work is laughably easy, and the degree itself is laughably impractical

big deal, its still fun!

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:31:31 2010 No.1135063

>>1134966

>Where I'm from, things are much different - a good humanities education can land you a role in upper level management in just about any industry going, regardless of whether you know anything about the industry in question.

what magical made up land do you live in?

hows your imaginary friend doing btw

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:32:31 2010 No.1135067 I still think liberal arts fags are the worst ppl you'll ever meet lazy, doped up, stinky, unshaven neckbeards with no ambition in life except delusions of grandeur

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:33:31 2010 No.1135070

>>1135032

Wish I knew, but I don't know shit. I took a degree (yeah get over it fuckers) and it was fun and useful to me but it was quite traditional in its focus on texts by historical bracket and its theory component was small unless you were really driven to enlarge it. I will say that the whole we-are-living-in-a-world-of-signs-arbitrarily-given-value-by-historical-context-etc complex of theory seems pretty, well, evident. The idea of a God is actually more absurd to me in its proposition of a centre of the universe, a position of given, fundamental and essential meaning, than in its big-beardy-man-in-the-sky manifestation. Pragmatics is a useful tool for sociolinguistic analysis and not as far as I can see incompatible with semiotics. I know that nobody who knows anything much about language can bear to be a prescriptivist and I don't know what it means to be "productive" in a society whose most basic operations seem to be accomplished by human suffering - or to "pay taxes" to governments which so enthusiastically fulfil Raphael Hythloday's definition of rule as "a conspiracy of the rich". I believe in an idea of 'duty' to humanity or liberty but I am not so confident in it to hold anyone to it other than myself. In any case this is an uncivilised world in which being traditionally productive is not necessarily a good thing, and in a civilised society, it would not be an obligation. The duty I believe in is therefore to try and create a society where duty will not be necessary. At bottom the duty is just "act with regard to the welfare of other people", but that's the logical extension of it.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:38:31 2010 No.1135076
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Hey science majors,

My name is Slavoj, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are skinny, undifferentiated, no-lifes who spend every second of their day thinking ideologically and not analysing the inconsistencies of modern discourse. You are everything repressed in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever even given a lecture at a major university? I mean, I guess it's fun being a helpless appendage to the narratives of enlightenment era failures, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than the stalinist perversion of marxism.

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I am a widely read author and Director of the Birkbeck Institute for the Humanities . What things do you do, other than "free research assistant at a state college"? I also have an intimate knowledge of the lacanian implications of hitchcock (he just reminded me of my mother; Shit was SO cash).
pic related it's me and my bitch

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:44:31 2010 No.1135087

>>1135070
I agree, this concept of ''duty'' so inseperably related to productivity, seems more suitable for machines than persons. When you said ''confident'', something clicked and I realized that this is what all of the anger towards humanities majors came from--a lack of confidence.

>>	CUNTS Anonymous Fri Sep 17 11:44:31 2010 No.1135088 fuck off op I was born into the poor trap of conflicting messages:'hurr do what you love' and 'hurr you must go to university to not die of povery' noone told me theres no point doing english so now Im just waiting to die

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 12:02:31 2010 No.1135130 The immature capitalist/materialist brouhaha in this thread makes me want to simultaneously punch Adam Smith and Isaac Newton in the balls.

Anonymous Fri Sep 17 18:42:31 2010 No.1135943

>>1135088

i becme an englihs major and now i regret it because its stupid/easy (i just like reading as a hobby, analysis is pointless and too subjective, goes no where, leads to nothing, produces nothing)

plus its super impractical ill never become an english worker, wroking in some english area

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 18:57:31 2010 No.1135978 File: 62 KB, 508x357, artsscience.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 19:23:31 2010 No.1136020 >>1135076 meanwhile, DIVORCE

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 19:31:31 2010 No.1136048 File: 58 KB, 459x604, splash2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1135978 Fool, not only will you be penniless, by majoring in English, but you won't be able to afford those swooning bitches.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 19:35:31 2010 No.1136058 >>1135943 I think I see what you did there. At least I hope you did something there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 19:36:31 2010 No.1136061 File: 3 KB, 203x212, 1279215865398.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1135130 > Conflating capitalism with science

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 17 19:49:31 2010 No.1136090 >>1136061 that's not conflation, that's relation!

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