books about the female experience

[Anonymous No.11342841]

/lit/, being extremely male, parades around a bunch of books that help you understand and empathize with some really mushy, pathetic, low aspects of life as a man:

> stoner
> oblomov
> the book of disquiet
> the tunnel
> notes from underground
> catcher in the rye
> lolita

what is the equivalent for women? the only obvious one i can think of is anne frank's diary. please don't post rupi kaur :(, honest answers only please

asking because i want to stop hating women :(

[Anonymous No.11342860]

Jean Rhys is probably a good one

[Anonymous No.11342878]

>>11342841
The Bell Jar

If it was written by a man /lit/ would talk about it constantly

[Anonymous No.11343005]

Mrs. Dalloway (and any other Virginia Woolf desu)
Neopolitan Novels by Elena Ferrante
Alice Munro's stories - all of them, they're all amazing
Jane Eyre - very interesting reading it now, by the way, with a contemporary lens; it's crazy how brilliant it is and how it's held up over time
Clarice Lispector

[Anonymous No.11343013]

Who are the female authors you know? Woolf, Dickinson, Brontë? Just read them.

[Anonymous No.11343136]

>>11342841
Memories of a Catholic Girlhood - Mary McCarthy
Memoirs of a Dutiful Daughter - Beauvoir
Family Happiness - Tolstoy
The Story of a Soul - St Therese of Lisieux

[Anonymous No.11343190]

>>11343136
>Memoirs of a Dutiful Daughter - Beauvoir
I like her, but sometimes she seems like the worst feminist.

[Anonymous No.11343359]

listen to Mitski desu

[Anonymous No.11343364]

>>11343136

would reading some of these help me understand and relate to women better, or would it just make me a sociopath and/or faggot?

[Anonymous No.11343391]

>>11343364
McCarthy and Beauvoir are probably a little less enjoyable than Woolf or Munro. There is a banality to being a woman too... dry suffering.

I listed the Tolstoy because it’s a really tender first person novel. You can feel every sensation. It’s like Tolstoy himself became girl

[Anonymous No.11343445]

Emma by Jane Austen

[Anonymous No.11343461]

>Have never gotten along with women
>Never had female friends, cousins or siblings
>Never had a gf
>Kept telling myself I didn't hate women, because I had no reason to
>Kept telling myself I just didn't share their interests
>Years later finally admit to myself I hate women even though I don't know why
They've never even had the chance to harm me and I hold them in incredibly low regard. It's not mommy issues, I have a great relationship with my mom and always have.

[Anonymous No.11343474]

>>11342878
This, this is the closest thing to the female equivalent of the books OP listed

[Anonymous No.11343582]

>>11343445
This is the Austen novel I most want to read next, but I feel like I should finally get around to reading P&P first

[Anonymous No.11343588]

Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher.

[Anonymous No.11343594]

>>11342841
It happens to me too. With every book I read, I think more of women as if they were objects. I want to stop hating women, they don't deserve it.

[Anonymous No.11343698]

>>11342841
Handmaid's Tale.

[Anonymous No.11343703]

>>11342841

Lives of Girls and Women. Great collection of stories by Alice Munro.

[Anonymous No.11343707]

>>11343005
Based anon

[Anonymous No.11343723]

>>11343698
ew no

[Anonymous No.11344231]

>>11342841
blimping for interest

[Anonymous No.11344243]

>>11342841

When you say "female experience" do you actually mean 3rd wave feminist experience?

[Anonymous No.11344265]

>>11344243
a post on r9k asked people to name 5 things women could do better than men besides the sexual and maternal. i could only come up with 3:

> objective assessment of capability and status status
> mental processing of sound (its been proven that women are better able to listen to two people talking on top of each other than men, and that their ears operate more independently)
> detachment of self from failures (if they do something that causes shit to hit the fan, theyre really good at moving past it, disassociating and not beating themselves up for it)

then i realized something might be wrong with how i see them

[Anonymous No.11344310]

In Diamond Square. It's about a woman during the Spanish civil war. Her husband has left to fight and she has to take care of her kids. I don't want to spoil it, but it has some really heart-wrenching situations.

[Anonymous No.11344313]

>>11344310
A small addition. Sometimes the book is known as The Time of the Doves in English.

[Anonymous No.11344329]

>Mentions Catcher in the Rye but not American Psycho
Shaking my head family

[Anonymous No.11344336]

>>11342878
The Bell Jar is a good one, read that, OP.

Also would suggest Wuthering Heights (although Cathy is a nasty piece of work, Isabelle, Nelly and Cathy's daughter are all women who offer a perspective on the struggle through Heathcliffe's manipulation)
Jane Eyre
The Yellow Wallpaper (it's a very short story but it explores mental illness)
Sense and Sensibility
Tess of the D'Urbevilles
Fingersmith
Les Miserables - written by a man but the focus on Eponine and Cosette - their struggles, flaws, complexities are thoroughly explored and are very fleshed out characters. Saying that, to say it was a book on the female experience and not just the experience of the French in general would be misleading. It's about people, not gender.
Middlemarch
Alice's Adventures in wonderland - the innocence of childhood and exploration of dreams.

There's probably a lot more but these were off the top of my head

[Anonymous No.11344337]

>>11343461
hey have you tried going outside maybe?

maybe stop taking your katana and trench coat

[Anonymous No.11344338]

>>11344337

[Anonymous No.11344372]

>>11344337

[Anonymous No.11344380]

>>11343461

It's because you'd like to be with one, but you can't and, being a disgusting manchild, it's easier to say it's their fault instead of improving yourself and actually try to do something.

[Anonymous No.11344386]

>>11342841
>female

Stop using this term, we're not talking about another species you twat.

[Anonymous No.11344388]

>>11344386
>>11344380
reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.11344392]

>>11344388
Faggot posting

[Anonymous No.11344397]

>>11344386
> "female"
> a literal word to describe a woman
> he thinks it must have a degrading connotation and imply they are part of another species

That's your own prejudice that you're projecting onto the English language, ya plonka cunt

[Anonymous No.11344413]

>>11344397
No you twit, you're using it to distance yourself from said women and you don't even realize it.

[Anonymous No.11344437]

>>11344397
> a literal word to describe a woman
Are you retarded ? You're on a literature board and you act like words have no connotation ? Female is used to denote biological traits, to speak of animals.
Your mom's the female.

[Anonymous No.11344458]

>>11342841
I will always be in love with the mystery that she holds in her eyes. It is undeniable proof of our connection to the supernatural to me. I'll always have a crush on the girl in that picture. That picture should be a universal poster for human resilience to protect their unity and freedom.

[Anonymous No.11344460]

>>11344458
>>11342841
Oh and Testament of Youth is humanizing.

[Anonymous No.11344661]

>>11344265
>distinguishing subtle color variations
>long distance swimming
>anything involving flexibility
>refraining from committing acts of violence
>interpreting emotions based on facial expressions

[Anonymous No.11344722]

>>11344458
>It is undeniable proof of our connection to the supernatural to me

Well, here's a good example of man who justifies his conclusions with his conclusions.

[Anonymous No.11344785]

>>11344380
But I've always blamed myself. I literally stated they have done nothing wrong to me

[Anonymous No.11344796]

>>11343359
Japanese Breakfast too. Good taste anon.

[Anonymous No.11344816]

>>11342841
I used to hate women but it is so self destructive. The truth is that women are different from men in purpose, and I made the mistake of believing them to operate like men. I have a younger sister, and while I originally thought women were vapid and stupid, the truth is different. There is a huge amount of pressure placed on them to be sexually successful in high school, virgin shaming. This really leads to a lot of problems for them down the line, women have traditionally safeguarded their virginity until much later in life. Their is so much social pressure for them to act a certain, self destructive way perpetuated by the (((media))). Women are more susceptible to this then men, which is why they were targeted first by feminism. We joke about how happy women are compared to men, but the fact is inside they are almost all insufferable depressed, and the only power given to them in the modern world is through sex, when traditionally its has been (and should be) motherhood. This leads to the slut mentality we have now. It is sad really, but it cannot continue to exist without constant promotion by a certain group. There is hope. Start reading productive philosophy, try and understand other peoples viewpoints. When you can respect others, you strengthen your beliefs.

[Anonymous No.11344845]

>>11344413
>>11344437
What the fuck?
What's the proper word then?

[Anonymous No.11344885]

>>11344816
What can be done, though? If you bring this up with most modern girls they'll bitch you out and call you a pig for trying to "control their body" / take away their "fun" / keep them as "unaccomplished housewives." They've completely internalised the meme of needing to be a successful, independent woman who has utterly denounced any longings of motherhood and is only focused on money / status / power / hedonism.

The only way I can see this changing is from within women themselves, which I just don't see happening anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.11344891]

>>11344816
>>11344885
Please take your concern trolling somewherelse please.

[Anonymous No.11344907]

>>11344891
What? I'm not trolling. It's not exactly a hidden secret that genuine expressions of femininity have been gutted by our society.

[Anonymous No.11344941]

>>11344907
It's super obvious from your posts you think women should be "traditional" like in the imaginary past you think was better. I don't know of any woman, conservative or not, who would want to go back to being "traditional".

[Anonymous No.11344947]

>>11344941
I do

[Anonymous No.11344952]

>>11344941
You don't have to fetishize the past without recognising the problems of the present. To be fair, the problems between the genders today is a symptom, not a cause, of the deeper problems within our society, so focusing just on it will obviously seem "reactionary" and "oppressive." But we can hardly say that the way things are set up now leads to the psychological flourishing of either women or men.

[Anonymous No.11344955]

>>11344941
BTW op, if you want to stop hating women, don't listen to people like >>11344816. Whoever suggested listening to Mitski was actually pretty spot on. Listen to her song Best American Girl. It's a nice encapsulation of how women view romance, heartbreak, even differences in culture. Also, seconding The Yellow Walpaper.

[Anonymous No.11344966]

[Anonymous No.11345316]

>>11344885
The system can't continue.
It will eventually destroy itself, it goes against nature and nature cannot be overcome. Think of the bronze age collapse on a global scale.

Or even, Europe is starting to wake up. A little bit, but trust me. Gen Z is going to be at the forefront, it will be divided against itself. Traditionalism vs. What we currently have.

>>11344891

Fuck off. I've seen to many women destroy their lives pursuing meaningless things in life. Many of the girls I know are in therapy for their destroyed psyche. It's people like you who can't so much as think for themselves that are the fucking disease enabling this garbage.

[Anonymous No.11345349]

>>11343703
This.

[Anonymous No.11345847]

>>11345316
Human beings are not defined by anything. That includes women. You can take your nature argument somewherelse.

[Anonymous No.11345927]

>>11344380
Yea but I make 110k a year, am college educated, and not a virgin, so what now?

[Anonymous No.11345945]

>>11344265
>> objective assessment of capability and status status
this is not true

[Anonymous No.11345965]

>>11345847
You are a serious idiot, sorry anon!

[Anonymous No.11346590]

>>11345847
I wish this were the case. Sadly we, humans, are animals too.

[Anonymous No.11346732]

>>11344816
>>11344885
>>11344952
>>11345316

Whooooooooo that's some pretty spooky shit.

[Anonymous No.11346751]

>>11342860
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.11346756]

I liked the Penelopaiad by Margaret Atwood.

[Anonymous No.11346768]

>>11344437
Female is the adjective. Woman is the noun. If OP had asked for books about the "woman experience" that would have been ungrammatical and retarded.

[Anonymous No.11347116]

>>11342841
stop posting jezebels

[Anonymous No.11347165]

>>11346732
stirner was a cuck

[Anonymous No.11347221]

>>11343445
I stopped at the end of the first volume, wat do
>inb4 keep reading

[Anonymous No.11347245]

>>11344845
Nigger

[Anonymous No.11347283]

>>11347165
Calling somebody a cuck a not a magical hand wave that you can use to dismiss their ideas. It only makes you look like an idiot.

[Anonymous No.11347302]

>>11347283
whatever, cuck

[Anonymous No.11347304]

>tfw eternal fuckboy and ask in pick-up forums how to get girls to walk through a park with me and not just come over to get dicked

Saying "hey tell me about your problems" is probably not gonna help, is it? If I'd want to help them, just fucking them hard like they want it is the way to go. So I have to be selfish to talk and analyze and break good relationships just to get a glimpse of what a non-degenerate woman could be like - if such a thing exists? (Not saying I'm not a degenerate).
Are older women less sex-obsessed?

[Anonymous No.11347321]

>>11347304
it is actually harder to get a girl to walk in the park with you than to fuck her, that is the state of things right now

girls are also generally speaking plebs of the soul and dont understand why walks in the park are so key in the first place. even retarded guys seem to understand that you have to go walk around under trees and stuff and like parse the territory

[Anonymous No.11347354]

>>11347321
>girls are also generally speaking plebs of the soul and dont understand why walks in the park are so key in the first place.
t. loveless virgin

[Anonymous No.11347361]

>>1347321
I think it's not a general concern of mine, normally, but just an hour ago I proposed to this tinder fuckbuddy to go to the zoo on Thursday (admittedly, that was somewhat gay, but I was in the mood for it) and she replied, quote, she wants the "quick wash cycle" so she'll only show up at my place in the evening to later leave again. Pic semi-related.
She's 10 years younger than me. This kind of behaviour surely goes against what I thought girls would be like when I was a teen, but I think it's actually somewhat natural and now it just goes without being shamed for it by their peers.

[Anonymous No.11347367]

>>11347283
I was just stating a fact. He was literally a cuck.

>That she did what she wished, and that Stirner let her do what she wished-that of course may have let her appear in the eyes of the marriage-slaves as detestable as it later did to her, but it can only make the two of them more likable to us. Every act of making up the mind for the other, for that matter, would not have fit at all into the nature of those involved, for whom "marriage" meant only a loose band that was thrown around them purely externally. And not on the "unfaithfulness" of the wife-how ridiculous!-did "this marriage perish," but simply and only under the pressure of the circumstances in which he and she unfortunately all too soon found themselves.

[Anonymous No.11347379]

you guys suck at this

golden notebook - Lessing


Pond - claire-louise bennet

[Anonymous No.11347391]

>>11342841
>Duras
>Yourcenar
>Djuna Barnes

[Anonymous No.11347415]

>>11342841

Sylvia Plath
Anias Nin
Marie Calloway

[Anonymous No.11347440]

>>11347367
Go away /pol/.

[Anonymous No.11347447]

Willa Cather is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.11347456]

>>11347367
A shitty, loveless marriage does not a cuck make, idiot.

[Anonymous No.11347829]

>>11344952
The relations between the sexes are very poor, and the problem is precisely that women are being programmed to believe that gender roles are not a necessary part of any healthy human society. So since 1970 women's happiness as decreased despite being given EVERYTHING they could possibly want. Think about that for a moment. It has DECREASED even after being given education, legal protections, preferential treatment, an entire set of media companies dedicated to "defending them," etc, etc.... White women in America are probably by most objective assessments the most materially successful group of people the world as ever seen. And they are MORE miserable than they were in 1970.

The fact is the relation between the genders is the most important relationship type. All social diseases (like war) usually spring from bad gender relations. So you have a group of women attempting to accomplish two gender roles. And you have a group of men with no gender role at all. Women are nervous, stressed, and melancholy etc. And men are lost, confused, purposeless. You have more and more single parent households. More and more political radicalization. More and more alienation and disconnection. You have a society that thought (for the first time in history) that it would be a good idea to program its children to believe men and women do not have naturally distinct and complimentary mentalities, and that gender roles are unnecessary. This is an act so insane that it is truly like asking your doctor to remove both your kidneys because you decided you don't need them anymore.

And if you want to argue this, you better be prepared to tell me what forces have not only offset any happiness women might have from the dramatic increases in their material and legal power, but have actually made women significantly less happy than they were circa 1970

[Anonymous No.11347845]

>>11347391
Memoirs of Hadrian is the single greatest piece of art of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.11347850]

>>11347829
I'm sure you'te an expert on women.

[Anonymous No.11347859]

>>11347829
>you better be prepared to tell me what forces have not only offset any happiness women might have from the dramatic increases in their material and legal power, but have actually made women significantly less happy than they were circa 1970

massive increases in consumerism and social media

[Anonymous No.11347870]

>>11347859
It always comes down to this to you people don't it?

[Anonymous No.11347895]

>>11347829
Gas lighting and concern trolling.

[Anonymous No.11348272]

>>11347845
Is odd that Yourcenar is a no-name in this place.

[Anonymous No.11348366]

>>11342841
>Uncle Walter is not normal.

Did she hate gays?

[Anonymous No.11348402]

Sigrid Undset and WIlla Cather

[Anonymous No.11348412]

>>11347829
Electric Lighting and the Suffragette movement

[Anonymous No.11348415]

>>11347895
Notice this person does not argue by reason or facts. If they could, they would because it would be the quickest and surest way toward shutting me up. Instead I'm accusing of gas lighting and concern trolling.

Men and women are happy when they live authentic lives. And an authentic life is only possible when you are true to your nature. Ergo, if you have a group of people who are miserable despite having all the legal, social and material rights and privileges that women have, it is because they are not being true to their nature. Women are not miserable because they cannot direct their own lives. They absolutely can. They are miserable because they are trying to do/be two distinct things at once. What most women actually want is to stay at mom and be taken care of, or to work a part-time job while their husband earns the main income. That's what they want. And what men actually want is to protect and provide for their wives and kids. They are designed that way by NATURE. Human beings are animals too. REMEMBER THAT. So women should really just given in to their submissive nature, as men should simply give in to their dominant nature. People will be a lot happier. And the world will be a better place, because miserable people make a miserable world.

[Anonymous No.11348464]

>>11347829
I'm not sure about the decay of women happiness. However, I completely agree that society has deceived women to believe that they can perform 2 gender roles. Maybe there is nothing wrong with that but men psychology hasn't changed at all. They are still required to perform one single gender role. This causes confusion within them. They feel useless. I believe that's the main reason why there are more men than women who suffer from gender dysphoria.

[Anonymous No.11348475]

>>11348464
Yeah, what prevented society from encouraging men to assume the nurturing social role of the caretaker/housespouse? Society is staring to embark on that course now, but still, what prevented from doing so in the last 40-30 years?

[Anonymous No.11348489]

>>11348272
She has been mentioned here and there, but historical fiction isn't as popular with a lot of people

[Anonymous No.11348490]

>>11348464
the happiness thing is self-reported so it has zero rigor, as if men and women dont differently interpret happiness, but the general trend is real, men used to report lower happiness and now women do

[Anonymous No.11348570]

>>11348415
Make sure your manifesto is ready and published, then start a live thread on /b/.

[Anonymous No.11348620]

She's a fairly popular author and may not be /lit/-approved, but I've always enjoyed Jhumpa Lahiri. Her short stories are considerably better than her novels, although I'd take either over the works of most contemporary writers.

Not a book, but if you're interested in foreign film, the recent Bollywood production "Dangal" was surprisingly good. It's based on a true story, with some exaggeration (especially near the end), and is exemplar of a production which minimizes gushy, unnecessary plots about romance, sex and scandal. It also highlights the barriers women face to success in sports and cultures which aren't as conducive to gender equality as the Western world.

[Anonymous No.11348626]

>>11343190
what do you mean?

The arguments in the Second Sex are pretty clear and level-headed for something so radical (except for the unfortunate lesbian chapter).

[Anonymous No.11348633]

>>11348570
He's the kind of neckbearded twit who tries to impress women with his intelligence(after stalking them for a month or two) by messaging them out of the blue and using a thesaurus instead of charm, then goes on long diatribes that people either find uncomfortable or lose sides reading explaining how women should stay in the kitchen.

[Anonymous No.11348640]

>>11344661
>refraining from committing acts of violence
women are actually more willing to strike people, they just suck at it so it gets reported as crime less.

[Anonymous No.11348641]

>>11344845
person of vagina

[Anonymous No.11348646]

>>11348620
Lahiri's best to me are "Hell-Heaven," "Sexy," and, of course, "The Interpreter of Maladies."

The first two deal with what you're looking for OP.

[Anonymous No.11348652]

>>11348633
>still unable to refute anything he said
the state of his neckbeard has nothing to do with his post, m'lady

[Anonymous No.11348653]

>>11344845
Are you thia far gone? Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.11348660]

>>11348652
>his
No one wants to argue with you you fat ugly fuck, I'm having a mild chuckle though.

[Anonymous No.11348662]

>>11348646

What was "Hell-Heaven" about, again?

I always appreciated how Lahiri's short stories are concise, sparse in prose but still emotionally evocative. They also tend toward realistic, in that characters tend not to follow arcs that aren't unbelievable.

For instance, she had a story story in "Unaccustomed Earth"--I think it may have been "A Choice of Accommodations"--in which a married woman flirts with another man and isn't in her husband's room when he wakes up from an unintended bender. Without being overt, she implies that the woman cheated, only to take the plot in another direction.

She's definitely my one of my favorite contemporary authors. Wish she had more work published, TBQH.

[Anonymous No.11348664]

>>11348660
>*angry queefing noises*
lmao

[Anonymous No.11348668]

>>11348664
No woman will ever touch you beta.

[Anonymous No.11348670]

>>11348475
The same reason that lobbies refugees in working societies: Capitalist need expansion, e.g. in the form of more market pressure on the individual by growing the workforce (through women, foreigners, etc).

[Anonymous No.11348674]

>>11348668
not that it matters, but i've fucked around 30 women.

[Anonymous No.11348680]

>>11348674
But they haven't fucked you, that's the problem.

[Anonymous No.11348686]

>>11348674
Pornhub actress profiles really don't count muh man

[Anonymous No.11348687]

>>11348680
>>11348686
>*angry queefing noises intensify*

[Anonymous No.11348703]

>>11348687
I don't think you elicit any reaction other than mild disgust

[Anonymous No.11348712]

>>11348703
why? because i pointed out that instead of arguing against a guy's post you childishly called him names? What's disgusting about that?

[Anonymous No.11348728]

>>11348712
Yes anon you seem like a completely rational and not at all butthurt person.

[Anonymous No.11348749]

>>11348728
oh sweaty

[Anonymous No.11348971]

>>11342841

The Unwomanly Face of War by Svetlana Alexievich.

Alexievich interviews women that fought in the Red Army in WW2. Pretty interesting.

[Anonymous No.11349018]

>>11347379
>golden notebook - Lessing
yes, somebody posted it

[Anonymous No.11349024]

>>11348971
hey, i'm reading that now and it's great

[Anonymous No.11349030]

the piano teacher by Jelinek

[Anonymous No.11349092]

>>11348415
>>11347829
good posts

the person shouting concern troll is the real concern troll

[Anonymous No.11349492]

>>11348415
I'm happiest when hating men. Becoming a man-hater cured my depression.

[Anonymous No.11349513]

>CTRL+F "Madame Bovary"
>no results

?

[Anonymous No.11349632]

>>11344392
yes, it was also that

[Anonymous No.11349767]

Jane Austen

[Anonymous No.11349791]

>>11348626
She is of course free to do what she will, but referring to Sartre as the real philosopher in the relationship (unless that was a joke because he's kind of a hack.) and other weird demures... I mean it's fine, she just makes unexpected choices sometimes. But the world is complicated. Maybe Margaret Sanger really started planned parenthood as an anti-black eugenics program, doesn't mean any particular black individual is wrong to use it. Maybe she was just a natural submissive anticipating sex positive feminism?

[Anonymous No.11349798]

I can't empathize with any of these except the last one

[Anonymous No.11349812]

>>11349092
It's gussied up mysogony. He's under the pretense he knows what's best for women. It presumes that women have some innate nature, when in fact, they don't. They're human just like me and you, and are allowed to do whatever they want with their lives, also like me and you. To say otherwise is not only to not view them as human, but other people in general. People are not do easily stuffed into little boxes of types and tropes if you actually get to know them. If op is ever going to learn to stop hating women, he should probably stop listening to the concern troll.

[Anonymous No.11349822]

>>11349492
Where are all the dots for men killed by their friends? Over an 11 year period that must be in the hundred thousands.

It's not that men are targeting women. It's that men are dangerous! It is also why all these rights now granted to women are really just men humoring women. Because when it comes down to it society is built on a foundation of violence, and men are the ones who would commit that violence.

[Anonymous No.11349825]

>>11349812
>mysogony

[Anonymous No.11349832]

>>11349825
Sorry, I just woke up. The here forever thing isn't always a joke.

[Anonymous No.11349834]

>>11349812
>women don't have innate nature

[Anonymous No.11349894]

>>11349812
>men and women are equal in every way and if you disagree you must think they aren't human

[Anonymous No.11349973]

>>11342841
A simple way to understand the female experience would be to play a video game's tutorial mode

[Anonymous No.11349982]

>>11348670
But would not pressuring men to be housespouses create a new market for products to be sold though?

[Anonymous No.11350000]

>>11342841
WTF everyone's mentioned de Beauvoir but nobody's mentioned The Second Sex. Read it. (not a novel, but you didn't ask for novels only).

[Anonymous No.11350171]

>>11349513
Kinda edgy desu

[Anonymous No.11350188]

>>11349513
Not OP-related. Flaubert was bad at describing perspective of woman. The novel is still good though.

[Anonymous No.11350200]

>>11348475
>Yeah, what prevented society from encouraging men to assume the nurturing social role of the caretaker/housespouse?
Women aren't attracted to men who are like that, so men have to avoid that.

[Anonymous No.11350216]

>>11349492
So you unloaded it onto a scapegoat? That's not curing anything, anon.

[Anonymous No.11350221]

>>11349812
Women and men have different sexual selection strategies that right off the bat make us very different. This is also seen across the animal kingdom as well.

[Anonymous No.11350233]

>>11349492
of course it would, because it gives you a sense of direction and purpose.
now the question is. is your purpose constructive and useful, or destructive and useless?

[Anonymous No.11350274]

>>11349492
You are hopelessly dishonest. That is why you are hateful. This graph is dishonest. Your statement is dishonest. There is no point in arguing with someone who is incapable of self-honestly. No one is "happy" in hating another person, except a psychopath (and then it is highly questionable whether they even experience genuine hate, their range of emotions being so superficial). No, there is something wrong with YOU. Becoming a man-hater did not "cure" your depression. It simply covered it up for a moment. It made you feel powerful when in fact you feel powerless. Powerless to control men. And frankly powerless to control women. It clearly angers you that men and women don't make the choices that YOU would like them to. You'd like women to be just like men, but deep down you and every other feminist ideologue know they aren't. That's why you guys bark so loud anytime somebody speaks the truth. Truth does not need to be defended only to be spoken. If you were really speaking the truth, that would be enough. You wouldn't be scared, angry, or hateful. You'd be calm, collected, and happy.

[Anonymous No.11350349]

>>11349894
I like the part where it means you also hate women as well.

[Anonymous No.11350382]

>>11348475
it's a suboptimal allocation of human resources.

[Anonymous No.11350404]

>>11349812
I never said they are not allowed to do what they want with their lives (including making themselves miserable).The point is that if you have a group of people with every tool to live a happy life, and they fail to do so, it is not because they need more tools. It is because they aren't being honest with themselves. Men are directionless and uncertain about themselves precisely because women have no idea what they want or who they are. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Women have proven themselves capable of getting university degrees, working outside the home, etc. But they have certainly not shown themselves willing to get honest about themselves as WOMEN. I actually have enough respect for women to not treat them as though they were men. And not to expect them to live according to standards of conduct that are not meant for them. Things have gotten so bad, so dishonest, that ideologues are willing to draft women into combat. As though you thought they couldn't possibly treat women any worse than they do now.

[Anonymous No.11350433]

>>11350382
Exactly. A husband/wife is the central evolutionary unit because they put their distinct and complementary systems toward a single common goal, the preservation of their offspring. A man isn't going to nurture his offspring for the simply reason that he has better things to do if his wife can do (and actually WANTS to do) this better than he can. He needs to put his strength precisely in those necessary activities that his wife cannot do (or does not want to do) as well as he can. It is a simply question of efficiency.

[Anonymous No.11350654]

>>11347829
Both sexes are twisted and bent out of shape, malfunctioning if you like. But the real problem is that humans are ill. Because sexes do not exist.

You are first and foremost a human being, and should identify as such, not as some gender. A human should be free to choose to follow his dreams and choose his role in society whatever it may be. So your choices should be free but what if you are brainwashed? You choose like a child and haven`t done away with childish things. A brainwashed person, be it a man that chooses to be a macho, or a basedboy, or a woman choosing to be hate men or to be a playboy slut, is brainwashed because they <allow> themselves to be brainwashed.

Under what substances do <you> become a victim of <brainwashing>? The answer lies in the <you>. Who are you? Your gender, your family/societal role, your paycheck, status, the colour of your skin?

We will argue forever like sweet summer children, unless we realize we are ill. There has been a spectre haunting humanity for a tad over 2000 years now. The spectre of the "personality". We think we are persons, we call each other a "person". What is the etymology of person?

You are not your personality. You are not a mask(persona) you put forward before others and yourself. You are you, you are the one that makes choices. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else is of secondary importance.

You see in antiquity man had not yet contracted that disease. They could talk to the gods and to each other, be free and satisfied sexually, intellectually, emotionally. They didn`t need to place labels on what they were, because there was no void inside to fill. Instead they flowed with nature and each other. As societies, as cultures, as cities, as brotherhoods and sisterhoods. Because each man chose his vocation and pursued it, not wasting time on empty labels like genders, sexuality, race, status.

Unfortunately due to many historical and psychological reasons, in late antiquity there appeared a new type of man. A man/woman without empathy or with reduced such, with an unbridled ego, with utter selfishness, with reckless ambition, a kind of man that judged the world based on himself and not himself based on the world, as exemplified in what we nowadays call a psychopath.

Sadly enough, as pitiful and wretched this man was, he was also incredibly adept at survival. He could outwit anyone in any challenge and rise to the top of any civilization or establishment thereby imposing his rule upon others. What is even worse, as he did that, he copied his way of thinking, to the now ruined masses, desperate for survival, and for someone to heal them of the hurt that kind of man had inflicted upon them. As a violent father produces a violent child. So this type of man is far more infectious, for they spread by fraud, mocking, hurting and abusing.

[Anonymous No.11350749]

>>11347829
This type of man is shallow, lacking in respect for anything or care, or balance. While the man of antiquity could equally respect the beauty of the love of the lesbians of Lesbos, he could also value the honour of a traditional family. A healthy human mind considers balance of the utmost importance. Like Ceaser, one of the first famous men with this disease, man, under this 2000-year-old sickness considers nothing of a soul, or a higher calling, little of morals, even less of conscience. What is worse, while narcotics is an addiction a death can cure. This illness is generational, for it affects human habit and behavior that is immediately passed on to the child as it is subjected to the type of thinking that the illness induces.

As man`s civilization collapsed under these parasites and he built walls to protect his cities from barbarians. He also built walls within. Walls we are still prisoners to. Walls that the great men of the Renaissance and Antiquity instinctively surmounted, but few managed to notify their fellow kinsmen of. For as the forums emptied man built walls between his fellow man and himself, between society and himself, between the glory of nature and himself, between the gods and himself, between anything divine he could become and what he currently was, between himself and reality, for it was too hard to take, and worst of all, man built a wall around his true self, imprisoned it inside, while he left the ego roam mindlessly within his grand new castle.

Man is bound by himself, inevitably inventing ever greater bonds to bind himself and others with, the Matrix being an example, our current system another one. Pick any you like, Medieval Christianity, trolls, corrupt capitalism, communism, feminism, racism, all of these are symptoms not even worth a mention, much less discussion, of the same disease.

In short there are two major pieces of the disease. An over-expanded ego and an identification with a personality. The former seen in all forms of disconnect mentioned above and seen on youtube and facebook all the time, the latter seen with the futile attempt at healing the pain due to this disconnect by filling the inner voids by attaching to all sorts of things that can never fill, heal or substitute the real you. In abstract terms, the diseased see only forms, their minds are like hard nuts. They fail to see the essence of a thing. Thus only a man who has healed himself of that disease can flow with the power of himself and everything around him.

You will probably ask, "Ok then, what is the real me?" Can you ask that of a schizophrenic? All I can tell you is to find out who you are, you have to heal the disease within you first. Notice it, and you will feel like Neo walking down the streets. Protect against its encroachment within you. Then heal. Do not argue over the bottle, but over the water within. Ignore the forms, see the essence. Do not react. Create. Focus. Let go. Choose. Heal others.

[Anonymous No.11350827]

>>11350654
>appealing to history to make your bigotries sound reasonable

SPOOK LEVEL 9000

[Anonymous No.11350846]

>>11347829
Bring down the walls, stop pretending, curb your ego. Listen to the mammalian and not the reptilian part of the brain. Spread the essence, not the form.

We didn`t kill god, we imprisoned the gods, as Jung would argue. They are waiting to come out of all of us, and urgently so since we are nearing our civilization`s end, if we don`t stop this disease. Thankfully, you are exponentially more likely to awaken a sleeping person that you want to shackle, the closer you become to actually shackling them. That goes for the whole system we are in. You can choose the quietest, gentlest shackles, buy them from the most trustworthy shop, along with the quietest sneakers, while the man you wish to enslave sleeps. But as you enter his bedroom in the dead of night, the likelihood of awakening him will inevitably increase exponentially together with the likelihood of chaining him for life. This is the chance we are given. The choice to awaken before its too late. The red pill.

To a man who has healed himself of this disease, the world is no longer a tool, but it is rather a work in progress, himself included. A work in which he part-takes with everyone and everything. To human being the end never justifies the means. For the means are the only end he will ever get hold of.

A human being, not a "person", recognizes that fighting something means becoming it, as history so often shows us. The human being knows they have to create, instead of destroying and arguing like cockroaches over meaningless matters like genders. A person not blinded by the walls of self-consciousness, selfishness and ego can notice the context in which he lives and acts, and realize its importance and ramifications. He knows two things fighting means their mutual destruction.

Let me give you this warning, you may take it as a prophecy if you wish:
2000 years ago, people were fighting over religions. The end result was that in the long run all religions as they knew them ceased to exist. Today, people are arguing over genders.

[Anonymous No.11350866]

>>11350846
What is this peterson tier fuck-tardery ?

[Anonymous No.11350923]

>>11350433
yup
as a drastically obvious example, men don't have titties and don't lactate nearly as well as women - so women are more suited towards infant care and men are more suited towards securing resources to care for both infant and mother.

[Anonymous No.11350932]

>>11347829
Good post.

[Anonymous No.11350947]

>>11350846
>The end result was that in the long run all religions as they knew them ceased to exist

[Anonymous No.11350965]

Are we being raided by or something? Some of the posts in this thread are unironic facebook tier, mostly from the thots.

[Anonymous No.11351467]

>>11350846

[Anonymous No.11352031]

shit thread desu i hate this website

[Anonymous No.11352889]

>>11348662
It’s the one about her mother cheating.

[Anonymous No.11353224]

Few good ones. Books, maybe Virginia Woolf and The Brontes, though they are dated and cornball. you will not find any enjoyment in The Brontes or Jane Austen unless you are a woman, gay, or something in between, so I'd pick that. Anne Sexton in poetry to see how 'smart' women actually feel. Lispector and Sontag are good. Most women's realm of 'experience' is talking about boys, complaining, and attaxking other women for being different from or the same as them. 99 percent of women are not interested in reading or writing or serious intellectual endeavors, so it's fitting that there are almost no books that depict this mode of life. The realm of women can be best seen just walking around Dillard's or going on twitter for a few hours. Any woman who had successfully achieved any academic, intellectual, or literary success will have a POV more similar to a man.

[Anonymous No.11353247]

>>11353224
good post, thanks

[Anonymous No.11353293]

Imagine still categorizing people by superfluous labels and extracting the definition of their character by this label off of an assumption.

[Anonymous No.11353295]

I have been using r/theredpill for guidance on women. And it worked out pretty well.

There are some good writing too. Example:

A few weeks ago I was standing on an underground escalator and did that thing where I turn around to watch all the bored people behind me as I slowly rise backwards into the air and feel like I’m in some kind of dystopian movie cutscene.

As I turn I’m greeted by the face an older woman. She’s standing right behind me on the step below, and notices me turn around; looks a bit puzzled about it. Of course it’s kind of a weird thing to do to turn around on an escalator, I don’t blame her, and I can’t just ignore her presence as if she’s not there, we’re standing uncomfortably face to face. Hey don’t blame me she broke the escalator etiquette of leaving one step in-between each person. We have those rules for a reason man.

Okay so she’s not that old, like middle age, but I’m young so she’s out my range for women I can comfortably hit on. I can tell that back in her time she must have been a real looker, wall hasn’t smashed her too hard yet, nice hair and makeup, but I can see the tiredness of a long office day in her eyes. It’s kind of awkward though and I’ll look like more of a sperg if I don’t say something.

So I say “Hi”.

She’s very suspicious of me. Of course, I got that whole fuckboy thing going on.

“Hello” she says.

“You’re very pretty” I say.

Her eyes light up, then her mouth follows, into a big, toothy smile.

“Um, thank you” she stammers out, blushing. She seems very surprised yet pleased by this. Her face looks younger and softer.

“That’s all I wanted to say-bye”.

I walk up the remainder of the escalator.

She laughs hard and then says “bye” too.

As I hop off I sneak a glance behind me and she’s still beaming like a happy child, smiling to herself.

When I got home I had this tremendous sense of satisfaction with myself, a wellbeing that followed me into a pleasant dream and a happy morning. It felt great.

So I did it again.
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Lesson learnt: Compliments are good when you say it from a place of power, not looking for approval.

[Anonymous No.11353306]

>>11353295
>I have been using r/theredpill for guidance on women
oh anon

[Anonymous No.11353309]

>>11353295
>this entire fucking post

[Anonymous No.11354615]

>>11353309
>>11353306
>>11353295
TheRedPill will get you laid. At least the content from the first three years of it will. I haven't been there recently. It won't make you like women though. They understand how to fuck women. That's it.

[Anonymous No.11354654]

>>11350654
>>11350749
>>11350846
>>11353295

[Anonymous No.11354667]

>>11348415
>>11350274
Take your naturalistic fallacies and amateurish understanding psychology elsewhere, people here are retarded enough to believe you.

[Anonymous No.11354684]

>>11354667
They are only "retarded" enough to believe me because I took the time to convince them. If you think you're correct let's have a demonstration. Otherwise, it's fair to assume you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.11355973]

>>11354615
You may not like it but what they describe is what women really are. It's called "the red pill" for a reason.

[Anonymous No.11356032]

Addie's chapter in As I Lay Dying

[Anonymous No.11356042]

>>11354684
Demonstrate what, that retarded naturalistic fallacies without any citations are retarded? Keep thinking you have "won" this, big boy.

[Anonymous No.11356063]

>>11343364
Nothing will make you a sociopath and/or faggot more effectively than 4chan

[Anonymous No.11356091]

>>11344388
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[Anonymous No.11356725]

>>11342841
bumping

[Anonymous No.11357443]

>>11356042
Look I am not making an appeal to nature so much as an appeal to consequence. I'm not arguing for stricter gender roles on the grounds simply that such roles are more in conformity to men and women's respective natures, but that the consequences of having ambiguous or non-existent gender roles is deleterious (women stressed, anxious, depressed; men without purpose, motivation or social attachment). If removing your kidneys was in conformity to good health I would not recommend against the operation on the grounds that it is "unnatural." And I am making no such claim here. And the study I'm referring too is very well known.