/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11316590]

How's the writing career coming, /lit/?

[Anonymous No.11316597]

>>11316590
hasn't started.

[Anonymous No.11316607]

How much work do I need to have to actually start seeking something out? I write poems and short stories and have a sizable collection of good pieces in both categories. Do I seek to get them published individually? Try to go straight to a collection? I have no experience at all and nobody to ask about it.

[Anonymous No.11316625]

>>11316607

Don't know about poetry. Maybe try buying or checking out Writer's Market 2018 to get some ideas. Search for contests and submit. Attend poetry readings at local colleges, read your shit to an audience to get a sense of it. I think more than prose, poetry is about connections and there is no market for it to speak of.

[Anonymous No.11316639]

>>11316625
Writer's Market and contests sound like a good idea but holy fuck I could never survive a college poetry reading. I live in a pretty big city but none of our colleges are good enough in the humanities for their poets to be anything but slam trash.

[Anonymous No.11316657]

I shitpost on /tv/ for about 32 hrs each week and average around 7 (you)s/hr so you do the math

[Anonymous No.11316669]

>>11316657
calculating... Finished.
It just says that no matter what you do, your mother will always love you.

[Anonymous No.11316685]

>>11316669
My mother is a coke head and a fiend

[Anonymous No.11316715]

I'm going to do a degree in creative writing

[Anonymous No.11316738]

>>11316685
kek. well handled

[Anonymous No.11316743]

I can't motivate myself to write even though i have an idea on what to write

[Anonymous No.11316758]

>tfw completed one 156,000 word novel and it was never published because it was too niche, even though all of my beta readers said it was good
>tfw working on more marketable novel that should be 80 to 90k words, have 65k completed as of today
>tfw I have a bachelors and a masters in a lucrative STEM field but feel no desire to use them, feel like writing is my calling
>tfw early queries for my new novel (to agents that allow in-progress stuff to be submitted) are being politely ("this is creative/original/good but doesn't fit me as an agent") rejected.

[Anonymous No.11316765]

>>11316607
Definitely get individual stories published before you try to get anything like a collection, unless it’s groundbreaking good and the stories all form a cohesive whole like Dubliners or Winesburg, Ohio.

Best route is to get stories published and keep seeking individual publications until you can place a story or two at a top publication like Tin House, The Virginia Quarterly, or Harper’s (google best literary journals for lists), then try to go to a publisher with ideas for a whole book.

Once you have some publishing credits to put on your cover letter, you will have a much easier time getting a second and third look on a novel.

[Anonymous No.11316788]

>>11316590
I have 3 pretty good stories I’m hoping to publish in the literary journal at my university. My professor/mentor told me she thought they were good enough to publish elsewhere (and look better on my cover letter as a result) but I kind of don’t feel I’m ready yet, if I just publish them under the umbrella of my university I can pass them off as my juvenalia. So over this summer I’m going to keep working on them and drafting them, submit them in mid fall. I’m also working on an outline and doing research for a historical novel, doubt I will be able to publish it but it’s good practice and the idea excites me, I need to get the crappy novels out of my system anyway so I have to start somewhere!

Overall it’s not going too bad.

[Anonymous No.11317037]

I'm writing some fiction for fun and posting it online, the reception seems to be ok. Want to improve as an author before I take up the project of a book that I will then relentlessly try to get published. The plot is already done though, just needs to be written out.

Don't give up anons, most people without connections had to try a thousand times before succeeding once. As long as you have a stable income and some free time to write and hawker your stuff it's fine right?

[Anonymous No.11317051]

>>11316758
Have you tried publishing excerpts? Do you have any short fiction that’s been published anywhere? Not easy getting a novel published without some kind of track record.

[Anonymous No.11317061]

>tfw seem to be having more success as a poet than a prose writer

Should I switch statuses, /lit/?

[Anonymous No.11317063]

>>11317051
I've written human interest and business stories for a couple of local magazines (I live in a big city so they are credible publications) so I'm technically published, but I've never published any fiction, short or long.

[Anonymous No.11317114]

>>11317061
I’m in a similar boat. I’m in college and I decided to submit poetry to our literary magazine because I want to get as many publishing credits as possible, I got a short story submission accepted, nonfiction denied, and poems accepted. The poems got the most attention. I don’t even read poetry besides Whitman and Eliot.

[Anonymous No.11317171]

>>11317114
My story is a bit similar, but on a larger scale. I got three short stories published in the span of a few months about two and a half years ago, but I've had no success since then despite getting a lot of encouragement in my rejection letters. Now, all of a sudden, I'm going to have one poem published in a fairly substantial magazine of public affairs and intellectual commentary, and another poem published on a pretty cool up and coming literary website. I've also had a huge burst of productivity writing poems, spurred on by some classes I've been taking at university.

Faulkner says that all novelists are failed poets. Does that mean successful poets shouldn't bother with prose?

[Anonymous No.11317349]

>>11317063
My advice: get some short stories out there. Doesn’t have to be in the fucking Paris Review, but it will give you a bit more credence in selling the book.

[Anonymous No.11317381]

>>11316607
Self publish faggot trying to get into the “lit world” is just like getting into business. Networking and all that shit. Just make a zine of your best poems and mail em out to people you like, because if you are trying to make writing a career might as well be a rupi kaur type instagram poet. You either care about making money or you don’t and if you care about making money then you might as well go full whore and start an Instagram posting your shitty poems.

[Anonymous No.11317390]

>>11316758
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>tfw completed one 156,000 word novel and it was never published because it was too niche, even though all of my beta readers said it was good
>tfw working on more marketable novel that should be 80 to 90k words, have 65k completed as of today

Tfw you’re a whore and might as well write cheap harlequin novels for money

[Anonymous No.11317395]

>>11316765
Did Cormac McCarthy have to do this shit?

[Anonymous No.11317398]

>>11316788

Post an excerpt let’s see how good you are fag

[Anonymous No.11317443]

>>11317395
His first publications were short stories in his university’s lit mag. Everyone in the world these days thinks they’re a writer, so if you want any serious editor to take you seriously, yeah, you have to have some prior publications under your belt. If you are any kind of real writer, you will get published at least in some small print mags. Just buck up and soldier through the rejections.

[Anonymous No.11317448]

>>11316590
Really great. The book I described in this thread: >>/lit/thread/S11204883#p11205987 just got purchased by a major publisher. I'm getting ten thousand dollars, 4 percent royalties, and a contract for another novel and a short story collection. Feels good, lit.

[Anonymous No.11317469]

>>11317448
Let’s see an excerpt.

[Anonymous No.11317472]

>>11317171
poetry is often seen as the higher form , but i think that is partially because it is historically the case that many people primarily known for their prose works wrote somewhat subpar poetry: - like George Eliot, or Thomas Nashe, or Borges, Swift, the Brontes, Melville, Scott, Joyce etc. (although i don't think Swift or Melville are particularly bad, none of their poetry really matches up to the quality of their best prose).

Their are great poets who are also great prose writers, like Pavese, Rilke, Poe (and Matthew Arnold as well, i guess, but he wrote more critical stuff than anything else), but i think the opposite is far less common - off the top of my head i can only think of Hardy and Lawrence as people primarily known for prose who were equally good poets (and even then Hardy wanted to be a poet far more than a novelist).

so don't completely abandon prose, but if you think you are a better poet i would say definitely pursue that more

[Anonymous No.11317516]

I'll soon be 20, started working on a novel not so long ago and do a few drafts sometimes. I enjoy it a lot. Not exactly planning on a writing career but it's definitely a dream. Now I do it more for self realization so it's a bit personal. I just appreciate that I found something I really enjoy other than swimming. Have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.11317537]

Got something penned down in just under 65,000 words, which for it's genre is acceptable but is probably never going to get picked up. Its a satire of the edgy teen novel but also filled with gore, sexual abuse, and enough drugs to catch Hunter S. Thompson off guard. I don't think there is a niche market for it and if there is, no agent is bold enough to represent me.

[Anonymous No.11317591]

i want to write but when i do its mostly shit and i never read because i want to play vidya and when i dont do that i write shitty nmh songs on guitar

[Anonymous No.11317674]

>>11317395
No. I don’t believe McCarthy has written any short fiction, only novels.

Obviously there will be exceptions but getting short fiction published before selling a novel is a good plan, it shows publishers you have some experience with writing stories and it gives you credibility, publishers don’t actually know shit, they just like what other publishers like, so if you can have the credibility of being recognized by other publishers, it helps.

[Anonymous No.11317694]

>>11317674
His first publications were short stories dummy I’ll fucking kill you

[Anonymous No.11317704]

>>11317398
Don’t call me a fag anon, that’s not nice.

You should know that anything you post online counts as being previously published, and it won’t get accepted anywhere if they find out it’s floating around the web (which they will and this has happened to people here before).

I will never share my stories online, not before they are published, for the reasons I already said, and not after because I don’t want to dox myself and have people know I browse 4chan.

Everything I post on 4chan and in critique threads is off-the-cuff, for shits and giggles, just practice.

I posted this in a thread where the prompt was “Describe this woman in the style of your favorite author“ and I decided to imitate F. Scott Fitzgerald.

>She was in the garden with her back turned to the four of us when I first saw her. The foliage scattered the direct and harsh sunlight into patterns that lay across her back like puddles of gold. Her slender fingers moved carefully over the blooms. At the sound of our approach, she turned her head, leaning back toward us slightly to look, and smiled an absurd, boundlessly lovely and ageless smile. In half embarrassment, or perhaps amusement at the number of us. she laughed, delicate but unrelenting, her chin rising high as she closed her eyes.

[Anonymous No.11317724]

>>11317704
I’ve had stuff I posted excerpts of here published no problem.

[Anonymous No.11317728]

>>11317448
Congrats anon, hope to see it soon. Will it be called Cuck or did you change the title?

[Anonymous No.11317733]

>>11317694
Dude chill goddam, he didn’t have any short story pubs outside of his university journal as far as I know. That barely counts.

[Anonymous No.11317734]

I want to put a slur in my title. Is this marketing suicide? I'd rather get funding through patreon any way, but my first book would have to be sent to publishers to get any attention. I don't have enough friends and family to get anywhere with just word of mouth.

[Anonymous No.11317738]

>>11317724
Best not to risk it. Pray to god no one finds your stuff on here later.

[Anonymous No.11317744]

>>11317469
This. I know it'll probably get torn apart, but I'd like to see it just to see if I've got what it takes to make it as a writer.

[Anonymous No.11317747]

>>11316590
Just got a rejection email, so okay

[Anonymous No.11317754]

>>11316590
Haven’t written shit, but I live in a shitty part of a major city and have an alcohol problem with a bonus bad attitude so i’d say it’s off to a good start.

[Anonymous No.11317762]

>>11317738
Why though? People need feedback on their work, and crit threads, for all their failings, generally give something closer to honest reactions than other workshop environments. Do you really think a mag would give a shit about 200 words of a 6k word story showing up on a Chilean Floral Arrangement forum?

[Anonymous No.11317772]

Printed in my local newspapers and blogs recently, been published in some zines that circulated in the major city near me, poetry on a blog. Applied to graduate schools but didn't get in, which I think is ok bc I applied to normie lit schools like Iowa that I wouldn't even have liked to be at. I make most of my money from journalism.

[Anonymous No.11317776]

I'll get around to it one of these days

[Anonymous No.11317868]

>>11317762
>Do you really think a mag would give a shit about 200 words of a 6k word story showing up on a Chilean Floral Arrangement forum?

Yes, and they have before. People have posted here about having there acceptances rescinded after the publisher found out they posted it online. Especially if you hope to get accepted in a major magazine like Zoetrope, The New Yorker, or The Paris Review.

[Anonymous No.11317877]

Instead of writing I'm reading books on writing. Currently reading The Writer's Journey

[Anonymous No.11317900]

I've gotten published twice but in shitty poetry journals nobody has ever heard of.

I was incredibly proud, one of them was winning a best poem contest of hundreds of submissions and I got the grand prize of like 100$.

I kept on playing it off to my friends like "oh hehe, yeah I didn't even want to win, hehe 100$ in some shitty local thing, it was nothing, hehe" but in reality it was the best writing accomplishment of my whole life thus far.

>mfw I will never be successful enough to actually write/publish a book.

[Anonymous No.11317926]

>>11317868
1)You aren’t getting published in any of those venues without an agent.
2)Just post your work for critique in a screen cap. Can’t be found in a search, so no risk of being found.
3)It is safe to assume that everything people here say about their publication experience is pure fabrication (not me tho).

[Anonymous No.11318165]

>>11317733
Death to you

[Anonymous No.11318181]

It's not coming, it's running away at about the pace of regular time while I crawl along in snail mode

[Anonymous No.11318184]

i decided to be a whore instead

[Anonymous No.11318188]

>>11317900
Same, two of my poems and one of my pieces of short fiction have been published, but I doubt more than 100 people have read them combined.

[Anonymous No.11319042]

>>11317469
Maybe some other time.

>>11317728
Thanks. My editor is going to work with me on finding a replacement title.

[Anonymous No.11319084]

Just submitted a short story I thought was pretty good. We'll see what happens.

[Anonymous No.11319098]

It's not, but I am.

[Anonymous No.11319101]

>>11319084
Where did you submit? And really, where do I find a place to submit?
>>11317448
How did you go about finding a publisher?

[Anonymous No.11319138]

>>11319101
I took a chance and submitted it to n+1, which is a bigger magazine.

But really, if you want to find a place to submit stuff you should check out a submissions portal like Submittable. They often have a search function that you can use to see which magazines and websites are looking for poetry and prose, among other things.

[Anonymous No.11319158]

>>11319101
>How did you go about finding a publisher?
The disappointing answer is that I work for a media company where my boss, who I have a great relationship with, knows a lot of people in the publishing world. And she sent my manuscript to an editor friend of hers.

[Anonymous No.11319191]

>>11316590
Fanatics have their dreams wherewith they weave
A paradise for a sect; the savage too
From forth the loftiest fashion of his sleep
Guesses at Heaven. Pity these have not
Trac'd upon vellum or wild Indian leaf
The shadows of melodious utterance
But bare of laurel they live dream and die,
For Poesy alone can tell her dreams
With a fine spell of words alone can save
Imagination from the sable charm
And dumb enchantment. Who alive can say,
"Thou art no poet, may'st not tell thy dreams?"
Since every man whose soul is not a clod
Hath visions and would speak if he had loved
And been well nurtured in his mother tongue.
Whether the dream now purposed to rehearse
Be poet's or fanatic's will be known
When this warm scribe my hand is in the grave.

[Anonymous No.11319198]

>>11319158
That's not disappointing, all publishing/distribution games are effectively nepotism.

[Anonymous No.11319204]

>>11319198
It's disappointing to have to answer that way though.

[Anonymous No.11319209]

>>11319204
It's the standard set for you

[Anonymous No.11319261]

>>11316590
>write a short story after years of hiatus
>praised by friends and acquaintances
>published in a student newspaper
>oneitis hasn't read it even though it was less than ten pages
>tear it up, abandon the idea of being a writer, consider myself a shitty wannabe with zero talent or creativity

[Anonymous No.11319546]

Just published a short story on Kindle. I'll post a link when it goes live later today!

[Anonymous No.11320883]

I’ve got a competent friend editing my bourbon/Ky vampire book. After that her husband who’s a NYT bestseller says he’s got the ears of some people in the business who could be interested. Could be something but there’s no promises. Plotting the sequel now, I have about seven chapters finished

[Anonymous No.11320912]

I didn't want to start a new thread for this, and I think it fits in here. I have horrible OCD and honeslty after almost five years of deleting everything I write each day just because I don't like how it looks visually I'm about ready to commit suicide. I need you boys to post me screen shots of your works in progress. I need to see how it actually looks layout wise.

[Anonymous No.11320954]

>told myself I would finish my second draft before the fall semester started
>got it 1/3rd of the way done
>haven't written in a month

[Anonymous No.11320955]

>>11316590
Pretty good.
Finished my first novel a week ago, found strangers to read it, got excellent reviews.

Have the outline for an entire series. Now looking for the best publishing platform

[Anonymous No.11320968]

>>11320912
I hope I trigger you with my stained notepad and generally disorganized life.

[Anonymous No.11320982]

>>11320955
Give me a one sentence summary

[Anonymous No.11320987]

>>11320982
>tfw I know what my novel is about and what is has to offer
>still can't write a summary

I guess that means it's actually shit and I should become an hero

[Anonymous No.11321002]

>>11320982
The series centers around a family attempting to keep their dark secrets hidden, especially from themselves.

[Anonymous No.11321015]

>>11321002
That's the best you can do, anon?

[Anonymous No.11321032]

>>11321015
The series begins with the youngest son of an otherwise normal family. From the get go you get the impression something is not right. The first novel I would describe as making you feel at home...the rest of the series I burn that mother fucker down while you are still inside.

[Anonymous No.11321088]

>>11316590
>applied to 4152 jobs via applications, tailored resumes
>heard back from 11
>had to apply 4x to get hired at one place
>mcd's would not take me

>applied to 2342 different loans, grants, lines of credit, venture capital, angel investors for greater cash flow for a period to start a business
>not making >100k/yr ergo don't qualify for 50-70k
>0 feedback from any, 0 accepted me

>11 117 applications to contests, sweepstakes, free reviews/feedback etc. for poetry, literature, genre fiction etc.
>won a single free publishing in a single tiny anthology in G7, 2004
>had to pay 30$ for my own copy, +28$ shipping bcuz national post is a fucking union
>mfw they used my adoptive name, not birth name I submitted under

Well, anons, it's about on par with everything else in my life.
>Would you believe the only thing I neither want not care about, sex with females of all ages, is the only thing I've ever had an abundance of opportunities with?
>I'm not even a traditionally attractive male specimen, or a chad, they just conflate my refusal to live by the norms and struggle for success as determination, passion, and entrepreneurship.
>And with that misconstrual, I feel ethically obligated to correct them (has never worked) or, failing that (womyn are emotional, they don't listen to reason), I deny and disregard them.
>mfw I just want success, not penis in female orifice

[Psoid Froid No.11321265]

>>11316590
I'm pretty much done. World doesn't deserve someone of my talent.

[Anonymous No.11321297]

>>11321265
Idk anon it's just a numbers game innit?

[Psoid Froid No.11321351]

>>11321297
Multiple novels worth of quality original & subversive writing, two (1 in prod, 1 pre-prod) graphic novels, one (soon two, third in pre-prod) music concept albums…

I am not exaggerating these numbers, look up BatWhaleDragon.

At some point, the excuse of it just being a numbers game no longer makes any sense nor brings any solace.

My life is becoming a tragedy; the great irony is that I am heading towards the seemingly inevitable fate of the very phenomena I so often critique.

I'm not one for posthumous I-told-you-so's; I'd rather enjoy the fruits of my labour prior to rotting under the ground. But with my hand forced by overwhelming indifference, I am thinking of simply living it up hedonist style. Quantity of life be damned, quality till the end.

Nobody believes me when I tell them this. So be it.

[Anonymous No.11321396]

>>11321351
>Welcome to our wonderful imaginarium
Yikes.

[Anonymous No.11321406]

>>11316590
havent written anything yet t.b.h

[Psoid Froid No.11321447]

>>11321396
Half-serious, half-sarcastic is my go-to style.

Also, want to be my first hater? I used to have one, but he gave up on hating :(. You'll be my most valued hater, it might be the single greatest achievement in your life. If you stick until I become successful I'll even send you a 'first hater' certificate, signed & dated.

[Anonymous No.11321458]

>>11321351
All your work is short stories, apart from the pseudo-psychological book that's written by a 20 something incel with no life experience.

[Psoid Froid No.11321476]

>>11321458
Ah, I see you have taken up my invitation as first hater. Nice.

You're right except for the album(s) + the two graphic novels + the incel bit. Besides, short stories are quality so what's the issue?

[Anonymous No.11321520]

>>11321351
Anon this >>11321088 is me.
I failed at almost every single thing I've tried to do in my life, and am so fucking autistic I've managed to confuse girls from 9 to nearly 100 that I'm worth throwing caution to the wind for a couple minutes (at best) of passion.

I have never finished a creative work and put it on here. I have never outed myself publicly like that, even under pseudonyms and fake accounts.

>still stand by the numbers game
>one of these days, you will catch a break
>someday I will catch a break
>it is inevitable

[Psoid Froid No.11321570]

>>11321520
Aight. Hard to know which anon is talking.

Wait… so you have beneficial social autism? Rare leaf trait.

Don't doubt I'll catch a break one day, hope you do too. I'm quite hopeful myself, thing is I'm growing increasingly impatient. Plus, 4chan's literally the only place I can think of who would dare read something subversive like Psoid Froid. Don't expect it'll have an audience elsewhere, too niche.

People are so often annoyed when an unrecognized writer tries showcasing their work, but how can you get recognized if you are never seen? Spending ad dolla and whatnot might do that, but there's still the Catch-22 of reviews.

You need sales to get reviews and need reviews to get sales.

There's also giveaways, but the returns on time invested are abysmal.

Tbh, I am cynical about Human's ability to truly appreciate art and questioning whether I want to live in such world. I am the change I wish to see in the world, the butterfly flapping it's tiny wings to create some wind, but even I sometimes wonder if I'm merely punching at the wind.

[Anonymous No.11321612]

>>11321570
You remind me of an old man I met when I was in college. He insisted people call him Reinaldo, even though his name was Ron. His breath fucking reeked, and all his work was "subversive" garbage. His best stories were about how he once sat at the same table as George Lucas, or how he once met Kevin Costner, and they were windy rambles that didn't mean anything. He got thrown out of a creative writing club because he got into a shouting match with another old-ass dude. He was also convinced the FBI was out to get him, that they'd rigged all the local systems against him, and that he was hated irrationally - in reality, he was just a shitty old racist with bad opinions that nobody but his mother could love.

The way you talk, the way you act, reminds me of that old-ass dude: Prolific, but none of it adds up to anything.

[Psoid Froid No.11321638]

>>11321612
Me? Prolific? Ha!

Bruh, I write maybe 400 words a day, on a good day. I think I average closer to 200 words.

Unironically, a relevant Psoid Froid fragment:

'The big advantage you have with my book—compared to other self-help books—is that the content is impermeable to those who lack conviction; they will brand it as humbug, at best. That is their predicament and their loss; Psoid Froidian applicability is purposefully equivocated to remain relevant for those who delve deeper. Why?
Because an easily applicable self-help book is like finding and sharing the inefficiency of a market publicly; the moment the public becomes aware of the inefficiency, the potential to profit from it ceases.
Most self-help books are flattering Goldfish flakes; colourful, attractive, and fun veneers ultimately devoid of any nutritional value beyond basic sustenance. The fraction of books that are not, cease their competitive advantage when the knowledge is too easily digestible and widely spread. To put it differently, the worst that can happen to a great self-help book is to become popular. A book can not at once be prominent, easily digestible, and applicable to the extent of producing a competitive advantage for the reader unless it (deliberately or not) obscures and/or—more nefariously—deludes.
Books that are both applicable and who hold a competitive advantage for the reader hide under the protective wings of taboo and obscurity. Few dare pierce taboo, many (rightfully) write off obscurity as drivel; drivel thrives in obscurity because stupid things said in a complicated way sound smart, even when they are in fact stupid.
The tricky part about obscurity is that you cannot ascertain whether something obscure is drivel until you’ve delved deeper into it; its complexity precludes at-glance valuation; obscurity’s merit only becomes apparent once it has been investigated. Obscurity is Schrödinger’s Merit.'

[Anonymous No.11321673]

>>11321638
I don't know how to break it to you easy, but:
>You're a bad fucking writer.

[Anonymous No.11321679]

>>11321351
These people are not first haters of your work. It is just seriously bad; lacking artistic merit and is not nice to it audiences. Write more. Publish less. Find a less autistic voice.

[Psoid Froid No.11321697]

>>11321673
Assuming you're the same anon, send me a mail and I'll send you a certificate of being my first hater when I get my break. If ever.

If past performance is any indicator of future performance, it will be never. Buuuuuuut, you could have yourself a unique collector's piece if it does pan out. It could for once pay to be hater. xD

[Anonymous No.11321706]

>>11321638
Lord...I am writing a series of novels and make sure to write at least 10,000 words a day!

takes me 4-6 hours, most is edited down to half that content.

Writing self help books must not be an easy task.

[Psoid Froid No.11321709]

>>11321679
Hold on. Are you writing off my obscurity as drivel?

[Psoid Froid No.11321731]

>>11321706
I envy your prolific writing. If you really do write 5000 finished words a day, you'd have written as much as I did during 3 years in a month or so.

Good for you bro, not even being sarcastic. Hope you do create quality tho, verbosity is all good and well, granted it has merit.

Non-fiction is easier to write for me than fiction; less things to keep in mind, no archs, less motives, etc.

[Anonymous No.11321738]

>>11321570
God, you're such an unaware and unlikable cunt.

[Psoid Froid No.11321767]

>>11321738
I'm a bit of a cunt yea, pretty chill if you'd meet me irl tho.

Love the opposition, it's a great motivator. I'm at my most prolific when annoyed.

Hol' up, you're different anons, right? Yo, only the first hater gets the certificate.

[Anonymous No.11321770]

>>11321731
Thanks.
What I was trying to say is that writing fiction seems to be easier than self help books.
My process is quite simple: I take a raw story and sleep on it, then outline the chapters with the main idea. Sit down and type out as much of said chapter as I can.
When I review, I cut the fluff and often find a "hole" or plot point that I then fix.

I imagine that a self help book is more complex as you need to apply your teachings to people with a vastly different lifestyle...how do you get people to apply what you have learned?

Good job on writing, most people just dream about writing but never put anything down...worse yet, they write and then delete the next day.

[Anonymous No.11321797]

>>11321570
Agreed, haha.

The autism is beneficial if I wanted sex, but I don't because I know what they perceive isn't real. They're deluding themselves, and aside from the moral quandry of anyone <16-18, in all cases it's taking advantage of ignorance. While it may be pleasant to fuck 100+ girls before I die, I'd rather die knowing I didn't take advantage of other people.
>Feels about the same as coming across a nearly blackout drunk teenager trying to play coy because she's horny and intoxicated.

Ah, thank you. I hope we both do and can one day laugh at this impatience. I get that too, to the point of debating quitting the full time job to live on welfare and focus 100% on writing and creating. The old folks all say stick with it, y'know, you're not trapped in a job... but then it's 12-18h/day gone for min wage, in a capital city. Every 2-3 days at an average FT job = 24h, one full rotation of the planet that could've been used to develop the skills to be successful. But the old folks are also lifers quoting things like "Another day another dollar." "Living the dream." and "Life sucks, then you die." so taking their advice seems like giving up, while welfare only looks like a temporary risk.

You could always try the fictionpress or wattpad sites. They have a surprising gallery of strange, and almost all of the readers are the next generation to become book-buyers. I use them from time to time as platforms to test the market for different styles and themes.

The only thing that looks like it works is the networking game. Being autist, it flibbers me giblets because the basic premise of networking is "Be of value to the person you want something from." yet all I have are unpolished skills and masses of unrecognized works, haha. The business types say you're not supposed to only take, or to start a relationship just to serve your own end goals, but that's all I see. Probably a way around that, but ??? --> renown --> profit seems an astute summation.

If only there was a way on Amazon or something to see and message each and every person who purchased your book. Then it'd be as simple as contacting the couple people who gave it a try and asking what caught their interest about it, and to leave an honest review if possible.

Not just time invested for giveaways, you need to find an audience of your own or part of an existing market, someone else's audience. And then trade something to that someone else for a shoutout/promotion for the giveaway.

At least from chatting with you on 4chin of all places, you seem well-versed and down to earth enough about both the market and your own works. Maybe the thing for you to overcome is the cynicism itself. I mean, if you believe in something doesn't skepticism and critical judgment cancel it out? It feels like ass to not even receive a rejection notice, but it's just that much more motivation to come out on top and say "Motherfuckers you missed out." Maybe that's too hateful a perspective, idk.

[Anonymous No.11321843]

I want to get into writing, is there any site where I could maybe upload some short stories to?

[Anonymous No.11321878]

>>11316590
Just got an email from the editor last night that they were going to publish my poem. However, its printing was contingent on changing the title because my original title was "far too similar" to an obscure transcendentalist's pastoral elegy.

The editor suggested one, and I took his because I didn't want to jeopardize my chances. It was a good title, anyway. Did I do the right thing?

[Psoid Froid No.11321900]

>>11321770
Question: How do you come up with the raw story?

Right now I'm having issues with making my stories concrete; ideas keep floating lacking the threads, and when I start writing lots of words it quickly devolves into nonsensical garbage without any direction. Tried plotting with one graphic novel, that did help a bit. Trying to become less of a gardening writer, more of an intricate plotter. Research phase goes on forever, too.


It's a tongue-in-cheek self-help book, simultaneously a critique on self-help books & obfuscation, while also attempting to be actually helpful.

^ Yeah, I am fully aware how dense this sounds

Don't think it'll ever reach a wide audience; I wrote it purely because it's the kind of niche thing I'd love to stumble upon. Psoid Froid's my jam, but it's definitely definitely not for everyone. It's the kind of book that is idiosyncratic and has oddly applicable quotes from time to time. Heck, there's a semi-relevant Psoid Froid for what you wrote about most people just dreaming about writing without ever putting anything down.

'My bite-sized philosophy lends itself perfectly to the feeble-minded vacuity of pop philosophy specifically catered to the pathetic attention span of the Goldfish Generation (milked by the attention economy), who reside in a perennial state of ‘feeling inspired’ without acting on the impulse, and who always carry on their face a sense of ungraspable awe whilst foaming out of their salivatic mouths.

In other words: ‘Wow, that’s deep. I don’t really get the quote, but I will mindlessly regurgitate it until other people think I do.

Beware the Goldfish. It does not bite, but it does have rabies.'

To be self-critical, I think a big part why people don't bother reading my stories is that I'm so full of myself, but I truly do love what I write—that's the reason I write it in the first place. And I do exaggerate my persona a bit, eh you know how it is. Self-deprecation through exaggeration is how I try to avoid taking myself too serious. I am ridiculous, the world is ridiculous, might as well take the piss out of it all. Have some fun laughing at this big cosmic joke of life.

[Anonymous No.11321947]

>>11321638
This is awful on a level that surpasses the everyday awfulness of amateur writing: this is a cultivated awfulness that has been practiced for years. I can see how you value alliteration and rearrange your sentences to emphasize it, often times using incorrect diction just to force your sentence to conform to your misconstrued notions of what sounds mellifluous. My God, your prose is a bog! Your sentences are so turgid I feel the need to keep a notepad beside me just to translate your circumlocutions into readable language. And what does your paragraph say? That your book is better than other books. (Please, spare me the explanation when you haughtily declare that you've foreseen all my criticisms and that I've activated your trapcard: "You fool," you'll sneer, "This is written from the perspective of a character who's a real bloviator!" Doing this only embarrasses you further--you have written bad prose on purpose and didn't even have the decency to make it cleverly bad.)

The sad part of this is that you are likely well read. You know the definitions of many words and the names of grammatical rules. But all this time that you've been practicing, you've labored under adolescent ideals about what makes good art. You want to impress us. You want to produce "complicated" prose that'll measure up to all the great Literature you've been reading. But there's no discernible sense of necessity beneath it. I have no reason to believe that you have something to say and, based on how you cover up the simplest statements in airs of sophistication, I don't even believe you think you have anything to say. If you were to practice writing like this every day, the best you'll ever be is if you learn to say nothing in an interesting way (and even that is still worth nothing).

The rhythm of your prose is garbage and its imagery is nonexistent. After reading your deluge of words, I still don't know what the fuck you're saying.

I write these words only in hopes that you see a well-formulated criticism of your writing that you can't dismiss with the claim that I'm a troll or a hater. Your prose is bad--bad in a way that is not endearing or that shows future promise, but in a way that is snobbish and, ultimately, off-putting. When I read words like yours I wonder about what kind of life has led to someone wanting to write like this, and I feel bad for whatever hands you've thrust your papers into.

[Psoid Froid No.11322074]

>>11321797

Fucking is fun, but it can feel pretty fucking sly to fuck someone you don't give a fuck about past lustful attraction. But I mean, if both of you agree that it's just an 'I'll love you for the night' type of deal, why not. I think I get though why it feels like you're taking advantage of them; once a girl commits to a guy who gives no fucks, the 'I can convert him' fantasy tends to kick in heavy. I never understood that part of female psychology, trying to tame the beast with feminine wiles a la Beauty & The Beast. Why would you want the beast tamed in the first place?

And/Or you referring to something else?


Anyhow, I'm basically in pursuit of a dream due to the (mistaken?) belief that I can make it, disregarding the overwhelming evidence that it won't pan out, if past performances are to be used as a future indicator. Fortunately, that's not how creative careers work; usually a creative career suddenly goes boom after years of non-recognition.

I get sentimental sometimes tho, write some mushy poetry, but then move on. Not saying it isn't tough, but then, nothing worthwhile is ever easy.

In regards to Fictionpress etc. Idk, I feel it devalues your work when you put it out for free. Buuuuttt… it's better to be read than to be stuck behind a paywall no one breaches. So hey, it's a choice, but I personally prefer the paywall + giveaway approach.

Networking I find difficult too, shoot me a mail tho, you sound chill. The thing is too, for networking you so often need to feign interest, even if you don't give a flying fuck about their content. It feels phony, like I only want to collab and network with peeps I respect both as a person and their work. Got to be a fan before I can be a friend. And like you mention, there's also the precondition that they must view you as valuable.

Kinda off-topic, had a bunch of sycophantic friends waiting on the sidelines, only ever giving minimal lip service to my writing for the off-chance I'd make it one day. Dumped them cuz they're not worth my time. If they don't support me early when it counts most, they can go compete with the other sycophants later on.

No respect for cowards who don't stick their neck outs in defense of the risky gamble, yet want to pluck the fruits of the gamble when it does pan out.

Getting a bit late here, could probably phrase my metaphor better but you get the gist.

Yuuup, getting honest reviews is a pain. There are paid review sites and they work, but 1. Feels sleazy. 2. Wide divergence in quality, most of them leaning towards mediocre & too positive in tone.

Like, I want some people to absolute slam my work for the things they dislike. Reviewers in general exercise too much restraint, gotta get in there and go bonkers.

I'm pretty similar in personality, have a 'if you don't want to collab with me that's your loss' view to it.

Eh, how is it hateful to say 'no' the naysayers, especially if they don't even bother saying 'no' to your face?

[Anonymous No.11322139]

>>11321900
In my case, the raw stories come from actual life experience with colorful characters. I usually take a funny or bizarre story or characteristic and build around that aspect.

For example...I created one of my most vile characters thanks to the father of one of my close friends.
I had an initial idea to create a story and one day I got an idea to tie-it-in with a more meaningful plot.
It took me 2 years to develop the raw story into a series.

[Anonymous No.11322156]

>>11317754
we all have been there, take care buddy

[Psoid Froid No.11322204]

>>11321947
See this is the kind of review I like. Full of heated emotion, teetering on the edge between a troll and someone nigh-hysterically upset in a heartfelt manner.

Art thee not impressed hombre by this ability of mine to evoke in thee feelings felt so dearly?

Thought it was some sort of copypasta at first, but I actually think you wrote it and care. I respect that.

>If you were to practice writing like this every day, the best you'll ever be is if you learn to say nothing in an interesting way (and even that is still worth nothing).

Relevant PF:
'A coalescence of verbose convolution, veering on imperceptibility, impinges upon a plain proclamation an apparent profundity.'

Psoid Froid's writing style is rather turgid and bloated indeed, but it is the mark of a great writer to manoeuvre his oeuvres with and in style—style suiting substance, of course. In other words, to be turgid whenever & wherever applicable.

It's all fine and dandy man.

[Anonymous No.11322205]

>>11319546
We are waiting, Anon.

[Psoid Froid No.11322296]

>>11322139
Interesting, the Proust approach. Where do you meet these people?

My characters are pretty much always complete fabrications who I can't trace to any person. Sometimes they have fragments of fictional characters in them, but I can't recall any who were based on people I actually met irl.

>It took me 2 years to develop the raw story into a series.

You say it so casually, 'just writing a couple novels in 2 years, no big deal.'

[Anonymous No.11322339]

>>11322074
I agree fucking is fun, but this is moreso "This person is not seeing reality, they are pushing an illusion I will never live up to onto me, and I can in some cases go to jail for acting on their naieve misunderstanding." The sly game is fun if you're both playing it like that, and even the challenge of getting laid, the chase, is amusing/entertaining at times. It's that they're unable to see me, the autist, and I feel responsible taking advantage of their mental immaturity, so I never accept. If a 6yo grabbed your dick, you know as an adult and a man they're after something else, they're just too immature/ignorant to articulate it. I just naturally attract that kind of immaturity and body-flaunting because they (I believe) see me as something both different beyond their understanding and competent/confident/capable of providing for them. In reality, it's not at all that way.

Even with what the other anons have said (anonymous critiques are usually honest and thankfully brutal), I'd say you're not mistaken. Regardless of what people say of Rowling's generic end-products, her first draft of the first book had errors my 3rd grader cousin could fix (she went through with a red pen thinking she was helping my book).
>She could not and still isn't able to believe Rowling wrote that poorly, yet was so successful.

On another note, the Brontë sisters were known to copy quite literally word for word from established authors, changing only minor details to see if they could fool one another as to whether it was OC or the original work meticulously copied. I'm certain you can nail it, and that the end result will probably be so far removed from your starting point that, when it's finished and published, you'll even have a difficult time relating to the original rough drafts. Past performaces are only a single metric you use to gauge where you came from and how far you've travelled, as on a map. If you were in Kentucky 3 months ago, but now you're in Arkansas, you should figure out what the difference is and whether you're heading in the right direction or not. It is by no means a permanent marr or boundary defining your potential.
>suddenly goes boom
Nah, anon, it's that the recognition over the years slowly builds to a tipping point. For some that tipping point is just 1 devoted fan that the work reaches on a level so deep they snap the media's attention to the work, and thus the creator. 99.9999999999% of cases are 3-5 years of 12h days of putting the work in before anything comes of it. Sanderson's far from the best example, but he spent something like 7 years writing an encyclopedic series before even one of them was acknowledged publicly. IIRC, he's said in interviews he one day asked himself "Will I be all right if I die with 100 unpublished, but completed works? Do I love it that much?" and his answer was "The disappointment stings, but OH, FUCK YES, I DO." Will you be happy with yourself if you finished it and died without renown?

[Anonymous No.11322382]

>>11322204
>I was merely pretending to be retarded

Sad!

[Psoid Froid No.11322387]

>>11322339
Yeah man, again, I'm not sarcastic when I say I love these kind of blunt reviews. No pandering bullshit, virtue signalling, nor covered-up emotion. Only pure expression of their reaction. It's great.

Sanderson's also crazy prolific. I don't get how he does it.

[Anonymous No.11322419]

>>11322296
They are encounters over a lifetime. Some are stories that people told me of people they have met. My imagination creates a storyline around what I imagine their life is/has been.

>2 years
The fucked up part about that: I needed to get to the lowest point in my life..a downward spiral so to speak. I always wanted to write a book so I tried something I heard about a long time ago when I was in Uni doing a psych class.

I would go to bed every night and see my idea as a movie...I would imagine it as an opening scene...one day I woke up with the entire plot..the storyline...so I kept doing it.

I imagined the next sequence just as I was falling asleep. I got so prolific creating the story that I kept a book on my night stand. One night I woke up drenched in sweat...I wrote the entire story out ..the outline for the entire series.

The lesson I leaned from that psych class> the brain never sleeps. If you task it to create something, it will work on it as you sleep. That is how my series was born.

My first novel I gave away to complete strangers, people I would literally meet on the street or have a casual conversation with. The revues were so fantastic that I built a network of people that are now waiting on the continuation of the story.

[Psoid Froid No.11322441]

>>11322382
Relevant PF:
'In an analysis of an artistic work, one must deplorably often limit, for sake of brevity, a manifold of interpretation to a specific, coherent interpretation chiefly driven by the analyser’s perspective.'

Your perspective is that I am acting defensively using casuistry, ostensibly because I would view a critique on the arguable merit of my work as an attack on my person, seeing as the author's work is an extension of himself this would appear to me a logical leap.

Or, to put it in your words, 'Sad!'

That is fine and dandy to me, you thinking it's casuistry. There are, of course, other perspectives, too.

[Psoid Froid No.11322465]

>>11322419

Kudos to you for getting it done and out there.

Does it change anything to your process that people are waiting for the continuation of the story, or is it the same as before?

[Anonymous No.11322477]

how do you deal with having multiple ideas for books

[Anonymous No.11322521]

>>11322465
the same...the story was written down, I am working on book #2, my spouse is an editor, so that helps a great deal.

The fun part was getting glowing reviews from absolute strangers. The first ten readers I gave the book chapter by chapter, I did not want people to cheat and read the epilogue.

If you want to read it for free, you can download openbazaar and install it, I will give you my store id and a free coupon to download the book. All I ask is for an honest review.

In reality it is 99.9% free on open bazaar, you need to have a crypto wallet to pay 1 penny to read it but it is an interesting platform for self publishing.

Truth be told, I wanted to put it on Kindle but I almost barfed when I read the terms...fucking assholes all the way.
You give your blood, sweat, misery and tears to write a book and they ask for exclusive selling rights then fuck you by giving your book away for free...

Fuck that, I prefer to give a free copy to a limited number of people to get an honest review and use a different platform to create something honest.

I would love to help others create beautiful work without asking for payment. I would like to create a book review network on openbazaar for people to be able to get honest reviews of their work, help and legal help without paying a dime.

Many of us are brutal enough on ourselves, we don't need corporate assholes to fuck us even more.

[Anonymous No.11322540]

>>11321843
fanfiction.net

[Psoid Froid No.11322562]

>>11322521
Yeah, Amazon's KDP terms are ridiculous. Either get 30% royalties, or get 70% but get fucked by ridiculous delivery fees that aren't even comparable to their own AWS cloud thing.

Downright insulting to authors. However, using some publishing services you can get better terms. Pronoun used to be amazing and could put stories online for free. Unfortunately, it got shut down.

What's the story about?

[Anonymous No.11322587]

>>11322562
The first novel centers around the youngest son of a farming family in North America. He is a difficult character with dark proclivities. His family attempts to deal with his shenanigans all whilst attempting to keep the family secrets at bay.

They somehow hope that by hiding the deep family secrets their son won't fulfill the curse that has been set on the family.

Once you have read the first book and wonder WTF? you get into book 2 which explains why the family is cursed in the first place.

So you can read book 1 or 2 first, it makes no difference as it is a mind fuck all the way.

I created a sweet family setting and will watch as I burn it down whilst the reader is engrossed in the story and his mind attempts to latch onto the sweet nectar that is rural living

[Psoid Froid No.11322607]

>>11322587
Hmmmm cool. I can give it a try once the second book has been done too, then binge it prolly.

Ima go sleep now, good night.

[Anonymous No.11322613]

>>11322477
comitt to one

[Anonymous No.11322616]

>>11322607
good night

[Anonymous No.11322672]

>>11322204
>Psoid Froid's writing style is rather turgid and bloated indeed, but it is the mark of a great writer to manoeuvre his oeuvres with and in style—style suiting substance, of course. In other words, to be turgid whenever & wherever applicable.
I'll make it easy for you. Times to be turgid: never. "But what if I'm parodying the ridiculous academic jargon of our zeitgeist?" No one wants to read this. "But I have a character who's an obnoxious autodidact and I want to lampoon his pomposity!" Why do you think this is a worthwhile use of a book? At this point you're punching down on a person who doesn't even exist. There's no skill or cleverness in this. No one will care when they read a book and think "Wow, the author is really BTFOing this self-righteous character!"

You're unable to parody bad writing. You just write badly and append an authorial winky face to each clunker: "Heheh, I know this is bad, but how silly is that? Can't you believe there are people who take this seriously?? Not me! :)" Even if you were to succeed at this parody, it's worthless.

Funny/insightful satire of bad writing is few and far between. Read At Swim-Two-Birds or the "Nausicaa" and "Oxen of the Sun" chapters of Ulysses and realize that both possess a warm wit that is sorely lacking in your own prose.

[Anonymous No.11322719]

How do I improve my writing outside of writing more?

[Anonymous No.11322731]

>>11321843
Seconding this. How the fuck do you even promote your writing without shilling your friends and family?

[Anonymous No.11322749]

>>11321843
There are a lot of sites where you can post and get critique. A lot of them require you to critique like 10 other works before you even get to post though

[Anonymous No.11322793]

I just published a story today! (I promised /lit/ that I would post a link to this once it went live.)

MATED TO A MILITARY DRONE

A Military Romance like no other!

Jonas Smith is a lowly Air Force supply clerk on a military base. He has never fought a war -- fighting is something soldiers and unmanned drone aircraft do!
But one of those new-generation drones has taken a special interest in Jonas and it has requisitioned him for a night of sordid romance!
Can Jonas resist the drone's carnal advances? Does he even want to? Either way it will be an unforgettable night as Jonas learns the role of a human in the modern army!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DQPMC15

[Anonymous No.11322811]

>>11316590
it's not a career, but I'm writing regularly

[Anonymous No.11322857]

>>11322793
holy fucking hell, thanks for the nightmares

[Anonymous No.11323080]

>>11322857
Look, if we give drones throbbing robot cocks for fucking humans then they are less likely to wipe us out during the robot uprising.

Speaking of: Look for my new story "The Incel and the Robot Uprising" in July!

[Anonymous No.11323846]

>>11317900
>$100
congrats on getting published in Rattle.

[Anonymous No.11323858]

hey, I don't wanna make a new thread, and you guys are smart, right?

would it be:

myself and the people around me

or

the people around me and myself

or

does it not fucking matter?

[Anonymous No.11323866]

>>11323858
Post the entire sentence. As a solitary construction either one is admissible, changing the order of the objects around the conjunction doesn't make a difference.

[Anonymous No.11323880]

>>11323866
>it was a quick decision, fueled by the increasing pressure from ___ and ___

[Anonymous No.11323903]

>>11323880
Yea, either one is fine.

[Anonymous No.11323922]

>>11323903
ah, I figured. thanks for the help.

[Anonymous No.11323949]

>>11320883
I'm so tired if you. I'm tired of going into threads like this one and seeing this boring, bland picture of an interchangeable anime girl that you seem to relish posting. I'm tired of remembering your trite, cutesy plot involving a penny dreadful monster (with added appeal to the lolicon crowd), a self-insert, and others I can only describe as "criminals as written by a sheltered louse" and "a fetishistic waste of time."
The worst part of all is the fact that you've decided to give your novel-to-be a soundtrack. Have you ever once wondered why other books you've read, good and bad, don't have a playlist on the first page? Did you really think that you were just so clever that you'd thought of it first? Not that it's completely untenable and, frankly, fucking offensive that you'd think anyone would want to listen to your idea of good music which - if my memory serves me well - seems to mostly be pop-punk trash from the 90s?
And despite all this, I cannot hate you. I can only look at you and go: wow, he really did it, huh? He wrote an entire book about that.
I have to wish you luck. It's going to run out eventually.

[Anonymous No.11323997]

>>11323949
was it jealousy?

[Anonymous No.11324008]

>>11323997
It's not jealousy. It's seeing the same image and post over and over again.

[Psoid Froid No.11324956]

>>11322672
Eh, I think it's not for you. That's fine and dandy. Personally I do like it. I do have a fascination with philosophy myself and I think people sometimes get fooled by casuistry. (Pseuds like Zizek manage to make a whole career out of this)

Style is a tool, to say you should never use a certain style would be to throw an option out of your toolbox. I agree eloquence is desirable in most cases, yet I do find there to be a certain charm in pomposity.

You claim I am unsuccessful in parodying ridiculous academic shenanigans, yet you do recognize this aspect of the text. And, if you did manage to penetrate past the complexity of the text, you would notice it has quite a lot to say about both obscurity and complexity.

Below is the main gist of what I was saying and a major theme of the book.

If you wrap ideas in obscure and difficult language it is hard to ascertain whether the ideas have any merit. Most people, when confronted with things they don't understand, would therefore say there is no merit underneath; writing it off as drivel is the most prominent visceral reaction to obscurity & complexity.*

*A certain pseud circumvents this by acting like an unhinged genius who constantly makes calls to authority by linking obscure references. He layers his obscurity with endless signs, his proselytes chasing a wild Goose with uncontrollable verbal diarrhoea in the hopes of catching a 'glimpse' of his impermeable genius. Yet what his followers don't see, despite overwhelming evidence, is that he's actually full of shit.

Continued below.

[Psoid Froid No.11324983]

>>11324956
Continued.

In Psoid Froid lingo:

'Why delve through a semiotic stew of shit? You won’t find much profound in it; you’d just be chasing a wild Goose with uncontrollable verbal diarrhoea who shits on you while his followers try to convince you it smells like roses (of rationality)—that you are gazing in a golden egg of ungraspable lucidity. Ostensibly, I infer, the reader of such stew feels inadequate due to being unfamiliar with the referenced content and/or thinking they lack the intelligence required to understand it—what utter bullshit! Are we not forgetting that references are only to the behest of text when it is an additional layer atop the ulterior (perspicacious and coherent) message?
Tangent. Thought that lacks the ulterior merit is but feigning rhetorical validity through authority—which revels in obscurity, need I say, t’is yet another case of Schrödinger’s Merit? To wit: Thought that lacks profundity pretends to have merit by acting meritoriously in a vicarious manner.
When a corpus is naught but semiotics it won’t point in any way to profundity. Self-evident in hindsight: A writer is no guide when he, she, or fairy (I aim for inclusivity) loses their way. If you do not know the way, if you have not a smidge of coherence in the overlapping of signs then that itself is a sign: A sign the writer is a dysfunctional troglodyte who is utterly incapable of stoking a rhetorical fire due to being inundated with shit.
When proselytes of Sir Manure wake up from their feverish nightmare they will perhaps, hopefully at last, notice that Sir Manure is full of shit and that, drowned in the shit that blots out the sun, they obviously can’t see shit. I say unto thee: Up yours! It won’t be ‘facile’ as the Frenchies say, to up the critical facility, but it is infinitely preferable to being, if one is solely to be judged by their appearance, a massive piece of shit sans merit.'

As you see exemplified in the PF text, the predicament of obscure language is thus the following: You have to first delve deeper to figure out whether there's anything worth digging for. Most people don't take the effort*, even if there is insight to be unearthed both in its form and its content.

Unless there are authorities who they respect who aver there is merit and/or are able to catch glimpses of merit themselves. In Zizek's case, he does it overwhelmingly by citing authorities and connecting threads sans actual overlap. Yeah, I despise Zizek, but I don't doubt he'll get filtered out by time.

Continued below.

[Psoid Froid No.11325011]

>>11324983
If you define good writing as being eloquent, then indeed PF's style would be bad. Personally I find it rather narrow-minded to write off turgid writing. It's ironical, too, because the very text you didn't understand says you would do precisely that.

I'm not trying to pretend I'm superior here in any way, activating my trap card / pulling an 'I-told-you-so'; that effort would be remiss, a waste of time for the both of us; I only aim to clarify and expand your view on what merit can be, another theme of the book, coincidentally.

You're absolutely correct that the character of PF is a bloviator and I also concede it would take a madman to read the whole book in one go because it is rather esoteric and lexically dense. Nevertheless, there is no book like it. Any creation trying to ape PF would be a pale imitation. It's idiosyncratic and, in my admittedly self-serving opinion, has lots of merit. If nobody likes it except for me, that is also fine and dandy. I didn't write PF for the masses, but of course I do hope a few people here and there enjoy it, too.

[Anonymous No.11325296]

>tfw like writing but have nothing to write about

[Anonymous No.11325302]

>>11316590
I keep comparing my drafts to the final product of others and getting disheartened.
Besides I ramble on and take a page to say what others can in a paragraph.

[Anonymous No.11325318]

Trying to write down ideas on a story about cryptids and cultists. Seeing if I can make something good that makes sense in an alternate world.

[Anonymous No.11325364]

>>11323080
So you're another chuck tingle ripoff?

[Anonymous No.11325675]

>>11325296
watch this and write something (non)related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdzi8JFx0ys

[Anonymous No.11325923]

>>11317868
>>11317738
>>11317704
Fuck guys I'm fucked. I posted several thousand words of the novel I'm working on several weeks ago when I wanted a critique. It was some of my best stuff and now I'll have to fucking delete it from my manuscript. Fuck warosu. God damnit.

[Anonymous No.11325942]

>>11316590
>career
I just want to publish one or two novels.

[Anonymous No.11325965]

>how's your writing career anon?
>I fuck women and my life is shit
/thread

[Anonymous No.11326367]

>>11322204
>art thee
it's "thou" in the nominative. i hope you're young enough to grow out of this awful phase you're in.

[Anonymous No.11326837]

>go to local poetry reading open mic events
>half of my poems get the desired response, mainly the humorous ones
>the other half get no response
>friends really like the emotional ones, though
I should probably just try reaching out to a publisher or something. If anything, just to have tried

[Psoid Froid No.11327189]

>>11326367
You're right, but 'thee' rhymes with 'dearly'.

[Anonymous No.11327200]

>>11316590
37,000 words of one book about 8000 of another. Lots of ideas in my head. Plus some fanfiction

[Anonymous No.11327231]

>>11316590
It's more of a hobby right now. I already have a stable career, this is just something extra.

[Anonymous No.11327246]

>>11327200
Describe the female protagonist in one of them

[Anonymous No.11327398]

>>11327246
There aren't any :S

[Psoid Froid No.11327565]

>>11326367
Also,
MOM IT'S NOT A PHASE THIS IS WHO I AM AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT ME FOR WHO I AM THEN I WON'T CHANGE WHO I AM BECAUSE I AM WHO I AM AND MY IDENTITY IS ENDANGERED AND IF I LOSE MY IDENTITY I BECOME A CYPHER IN THE CROWD AND I LIKE CYBERPUNK, BUT NOT CYPHERPUNK BECAUSE CYPHERPUNK IS FIRST OFF NON-EXISTENT AND SECONDLY THERE'S NO FUN IN BEING LOW-LIFE WHEN IT LACKS THE INSPIRATIONAL DREAD OF NOT BELONGING TO THE HIGH LIFE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF i CAN ONLY BE LOW I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ANYMORE AND NO I AM NOT EMOTIONAL, I AM A PERFECTLY RATIONAL HUMAN BEING LEAVE ME ALONE, NO I AM NOT CRYING, SHUT UUUP, SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPP

[Anonymous No.11327770]

I can't write in sequence and that fucks up any idea of completion. I have 40,000 words attached to a story but I have no idea how much progress I have made with the story because it's all random scenes with very few of them connected at this point.

[Anonymous No.11327944]

>>11323949
“Your luck is going to run out.”

But not today.

[Anonymous No.11327966]

>>11323949
kek