/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11316211]

>The Odyssey is like so dumb. Odysseus has sex with like a ton of girls but he's going to kill Penelope if she's not faithful? That's not very feminist, Ody. You got some learnin' to do.

>Now for today's thought bubble: a little tiny Lysistrata figurine. Oh Homer, we can't possibly hold you accountable for not being a feminist in ancient Greece, after all, it's not like feminism existed back then, oh wait, it totally did, you misogynist pig.

>Back to the Odyssey: is Penelope the true hero of the story? Yes. Yes she is. That's all we have time for today, be sure to like and subscribe and buy tickets to my new movie: The Da Vinci Code with Teenagers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS4jk5kavy4&t=7m15s

[Anonymous No.11316221]

Why did you even post this garbage

[Anonymous No.11316232]

he's right in the sense that greek literature is outdated and they all followed the same method of thinking

[Anonymous No.11316243]

>>11316232
retard alert
retard alert

[Anonymous No.11316246]

>outdated
>influenced every single adventure story for two thousand years

[Anonymous No.11316272]

He's right about Odysseus hating women, as evident by having literally zero% women in his entourage; but, he was as well racist, homophobic, transphobic, ageist, ableist, Islamophobic, anti-Semetic, pedophobic, and some. His troop consisted solely of dead white males. That's problematic.

[Anonymous No.11316306]

>>11316272
>Greeks
>White

[Anonymous No.11316310]

I don’t see the problem
Women should be faithful

[Anonymous No.11316332]

>>11316310
Men should as well

[Anonymous No.11316342]

Did Odysseus eat some Cheerios?

[Anonymous No.11316352]

>>11316211
>Odysseus is literally made Calypso's stud
>Forced to have hot divine sex every day for seven years
>Calypso asking him every day to live as an immortal with her
>Odysseus STILL wants to go back to Ithaca and Penelope
>He goes to the water and cries every day looking out towards Ithaca
Odysseus' devotion to his wife and people is superhuman, that's why he's the hero.

[Anonymous No.11316374]

>>11316306
Ancient Greeks were germanic
VE VAST KÖNIGS UND SCHEIßE

[Anonymous No.11316405]

He doesn't even say that tho

[Anonymous No.11316485]

>>11316352
Based Odysseus.

[Anonymous No.11316495]

>>11316211
what the fuck, did you even watch the video? he didn't say a single one of these things

[Anonymous No.11316503]

>>11316495
Yes he did. Just in different words. Only slightly different words, really.

[Anonymous No.11316506]

>>11316211
>Odysseus has sex with like a ton of girls
Road hole doesn’t count.

[Anonymous No.11316649]

>>11316211
Has anybody else here notice a trend of youtubers giving energetic, fast-talking, and reductionist video summaries, all of whom use the same exact graphics to present their videos?

[Anonymous No.11316659]

>>11316649
It is just another phase in the mkultra-ing of the world. Shut up and enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.11316680]

This idea that the Greeks "influenced" literature so heavily is absurd. It is more reasonable to assume that the human mind will result to a more or less common ground of archetypical symbols and the reason this keeps coming up is due to an essential quality of the human psyche rather than people just stealing from the previous generation all the way back to the greeks for some arbitrary reason (why not the myceneans rather?) fuck the greeks. Anyone who can conceive of platonic ideas is as smart as plato and has not somehow been influenced by him. His ideas are common to the entire human species. African child soldiers have probably dreamt up cave allegories and were killed before anyone could listen. Our thought is as common as our eye or skin tones.

[Anonymous No.11316681]

why do /pol/ brainlets get butthurt when people point out classic literature is misogynist and racist?

[Anonymous No.11316708]

Gas the moderns

[Anonymous No.11316712]

>>11316352
This.
How the fuck do people miss this in the fucking story.
It's always
>omg wow ODYSSEUS cheated on his wife so much and then acts like she should be faithful????
>that's so sexist

[Anonymous No.11316876]

>>11316681
Because the bourgeois intelligentsia love to take potshots at authors who are long dead and unable to defend their own work. Also, pointing out historical sexism and racism from the vantage point of the present day isn't particularly insightful or thought provoking in any way.

[Anonymous No.11316890]

incels: the thread

[Anonymous No.11316946]

>>11316890
projection: the post

[Anonymous No.11316961]

>>11316946
BRAAP

[Anonymous No.11316977]

Odysseus had 7 years of sex under duress with Calypso by any modern definition he was raped or at least sexually assaulted during that time because unsurprisingly in many countries "forced to penetrate" isn't considered rape. If anyone says that Odysseus was being a "player" because of his time with Calypso they are perpetuating the stereotype that men always want sex which is deeply problematic to feminist theory. Oh wait feminist are the ones that still complain about faithful Penelope and player Odysseus.

[Anonymous No.11316983]

>>11316977
Women are such brainlets. Am I right, fellow men?

[Anonymous No.11317015]

>>11316876
>pointing out historical sexism and racism from the vantage point of the present day isn't particularly insightful or thought provoking in any way

Stop being a cultural relativist

[Anonymous No.11317024]

The modern humanist moral gestalt in the west has gotten so bad that at this point basically anything written, said, thought, or done prior to 1995 is immoral or problematic in their view. The notion of the past as something of value is being systematically destroyed.

[Anonymous No.11317041]

>>11316961
That's an ejection actually

[Anonymous No.11317043]

>>11317024
>M-muh tradition!

[Anonymous No.11317049]

>>11317043
If you to look at a non-western society whose traditions were dying out, almost any anthropologist would say that the society was sick and dying, yet we are unable (unwilling) to apply the same standards to ourselves.

[Anonymous No.11317056]

>>11316649
Yes, people like their education in bite-sized, visually stimulating pieces.

[Anonymous No.11317062]

>>11317049
>M-muh old books!

[Anonymous No.11317076]

>>11317043
>>11317062
Why are you trying to re-orient the s_o_y meme from being about leftist/neo-liberal urbanites to traditionalists? Are you simply a retard?

[Anonymous No.11317077]

>>11317024
>>11317049
ever consider that the past is being criticized for being sexist and colonialist because it is?

[Anonymous No.11317091]

>>11317076
You're s o y af, dude.

[Anonymous No.11317097]

>the same people who hate on John will support Fagles use of sexist terminology like "whore" and "slut"

[Anonymous No.11317115]

>>11317077
>sexist and colonialist because it is
It totally was, I agree with you, but those criticisms are giving people license to dismiss millennia of accumulated myth, beauty, and knowledge.

For instance, Emily Wilson's translation of the Odyssey throws out the lovely opening line

>Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story of that man skilled in all ways of contending, the wanderer, harried for years on end

and replaces it with

>tell me about a complicated man

because the former was "problematic" since it glorified Odysseus

[Anonymous No.11317137]

>>11317115
>oh no! my old books about fairytales are being translated by women now!! it's the rnd of the world
Your precious culture seems pretty fragile. Maybe try to learn some stuff that isn't obsolete boyclub bullshit

[Anonymous No.11317144]

>>11317137
This. s.o.y. traditionalists btfo'd.

[Anonymous No.11317154]

>>11317137
It's not the end of the world, that was literally one example of tens of thousands. Our culture is being systematically eroded, from within, by its constituents (it's not the jews or muslims or anything, I'm not a polfag). Clearly most westerners people don't want to live in the culture they inherited, and that's pretty sad, but it is ultimately up to them.

I know I can't change anything which is why I'm probably going to KMS in short order.

[Anonymous No.11317203]

>>11317077
See >>11316876

[Anonymous No.11317223]

>>11316680
thought is a development. the history of literature and art is not a random sequence but a series of moment where each reacts to its past.

[Anonymous No.11317234]

>>11317137

>oh no! my old books about fairytales are being translated by women now!! it's the rnd of the world

That's not the point he was making at all, you stupid faggot. That anon wrote out his thesis in the very first line of his response, and you still managed to completely miss it.

[Anonymous No.11317241]

>>11317234
Are you gonna cry, dude?

[Anonymous No.11317247]

>>11316876
>Also, pointing out historical sexism and racism from the vantage point of the present day isn't particularly insightful or thought provoking in any way.

fucking reactionary brainlets, get the fuck out of this board

[Anonymous No.11317291]

>>11317247
Why does it need to be further discussed how sexist and racist the past was when it's obvious to everybody? Explain in detail how the post you were replying to was a pseud post.

[Anonymous No.11317300]

Odysseus was a based MGTOW guy just like me. If he was alive today he would have voted Trump, and deported rapefugees in his free time probably.

That's why we gotta protect his legacy against the feminazis and jews, the translating thot Emily should be imprisoned on the day of the rope for destroying the work of the based white nationalist Homer, a symbol of our western civ.

[Anonymous No.11317308]

>>11317247
imagine being so gay that in the year 2018, after having had access to the information on the internet for years and been able to research things and make logical decisions about where the evidence lies, you were still not only clueless about the differences between sexes and races but still in the hysterical mindset that actively rails against anyone sane enough to notice them

imagine this level of dicks in your ass

[Anonymous No.11317309]

>>11317241
Psychoanalyzing, pathologizing, shaming, and ridiculing the opposition are literally the oldest tricks in the neoliberal progressivist handbook.

[Anonymous No.11317335]

>>11317309
>Waaaaahhh waaaaahhh goo goo ga ga.

[Anonymous No.11317465]

>>11317335
Hole detected

[Anonymous No.11317593]

>>11317043
>fuck traditions maaaan!
>they're like pointless social constructs. Grow up, grandpa!

[Anonymous No.11317657]

>>11316374
Sure.. *Snap*

[Anonymous No.11317669]

>>11317593
Name one(1) tradition you can't survive without

[Anonymous No.11317673]

John Green is genuinely fucking retarded. His analysis is that of some fuckwad who drank his mommy's titty milk until he was twelve. This is not a good analysis of a text in any way, shape, or form, he's just sort of helplessly flabbergasted about the entire fucking Epic. John Green is 100% literature for retard fortnite-babies who probably won't survive to their thirties, he is a shitstain on the written word and is only successful because women don't find him threatening. John Green is a reminder to take care of yourself and those important in your life, for the John Greens are out there looking to shame themselves and ruin everything you hold dear by sheer force of pitifulness

[Anonymous No.11317676]

>>11317673
>His analysis is that of some fuckwad who drank his mommy's titty milk until he was twelve.

[Anonymous No.11317685]

>>11317669
Eating

[Anonymous No.11317701]

>>11317685
>what are IV drips
we can't all be smart, at least you get to enjoy the small things in life to the fullest

[Anonymous No.11317736]

>>11316211
I know this is a joke but I had a TA who was exactly like this

[Anonymous No.11317777]

>>11317669
Breathing.

[Anonymous No.11317873]

>>11317669
Marriage
Manners
Festivals and holidays
The work week

[Anonymous No.11317897]

>>11316495
>>11316405
Yeah he does. He directly makes an "open letter to the patriarchy" and talks about the double standard of Odysseus' faithfulness and Penelope's faithfulness.
>One of Odysseus' least stellar qualities is his attitude toward women. He's really big on this sexual double standard in which the exact same behavior types women as sluts and men as studs... Meanwhile, Odysseus sleeps with every manner of magical lady and nearly marries an island princess but he assures us that he was always true to his wife in his heart. Which is nice, but it would also be nice if he was true to her in his pants.

Then he goes on a long rant about Medusa, who isn't even in the fucking book.
>This is a book full of misogyny and, cyclopes aside, a lot of them are female, like the sirens, who lure men to their deaths, or Scylla, who's basically an octopus with teeth, and then of course they're Charybdis, a hole who sucks men to their doom. You can explore the Freudian implications of that one.

Then after going for literally half the video about the patriarchy, feminism, double standards, and other nonsense that has nothing to do with the actual book he ends his saying Odysseus was a violent idiot who would have destroyed Ithica had Athena not stepped in and ended the cycle of violence.

This is an awful, awful analysis of The Odyssey and a big problem in the education system. We should not measure the virtue of historical figures, especially ancient ones, by the moral compasses of modern days. This happens most often when a historical figure undergoes a post-mortum character assassination because "he owned slaves!" or "he was racist!" Yeah. That was normal back then. It's about as ridiculous as saying Jesus was a bad person because he wasn't a vegan. Or Martin Luther King Jr was a bad person because he didn't recycle. Can't you just accept that 2,000 years ago the cultural norms in Greece were different from your own culture, and rather than go on a long winded rant about how much better you are than ancient Greece, learn about WHY their culture was built that way? I'm sure there was a good reason.

[Anonymous No.11317905]

>>11316680
>This idea that the Greeks "influenced" literature so heavily is absurd.
Not really. Not when you have people like Dante and Milton explicitly mentioning that they were influenced by Greek epics.

[Anonymous No.11317916]

>>11317685
>>11317777
Not traditions.

>>11317873
Those can easily be lost. I'll grant you manners. Not really a necessity but close enough.

[Anonymous No.11317922]

>>11317593
t. basedboy

[Anonymous No.11317924]

>>11317916
>marriage can be lost
yes and it only marks a massive social downfall like what we're seeing now

[Anonymous No.11317930]

>go through this whole thread
>not a single good argument against what john green is saying
he's right

[Anonymous No.11317936]

>>11317924
Marriage hasn't been lost and you not liking your life doesn't mean society is in a downfall.

[Anonymous No.11317939]

>>11317930
Almost like this board is for teenage and early twenties pseuds.

[Anonymous No.11317944]

>>11316272
>8th century BC
>Islamophobic

[Anonymous No.11317962]

>>11317897
T. Retard

[Anonymous No.11317981]

>>11317669
Mentor/Apprenticeship

[Anonymous No.11317989]

>>11316681
>>11317897
Because what John Green is doing is an example of postmodernist education, not a classical education. In a classical education you read the book and try to understand what utility might be extracted out of it to guide you in your life. That's the old system. The new, postmodernist system is: you read the book, and you analyze it in terms of whose social position of power it justifies. So you look for who the supremacist is, in the text. It could be the author, it could be the characters, it doesn't matter. You read the text as if all it does is reflect on the current, corrupt power structure in modern society. And that's the beginning of literary criticism under the social justice regime.

We have Social Justice Tribunals in Ontario. They're named that. The educators in Ontario have already decided that the goal of the education system is to indoctrinate children from from kindergarten-- from kindergarten-- into a radical, postmodern, leftist, communitarian, equity-oriented ethos. That's what they're doing. Even math and science are put under that umbrella. Just go online and download the documents.

The Ontario Human Rights Commission should be abolished. It's a very dangerous and subversive organization. The idea that he purpose of education is to get them while they're young, in kindergarten, so this radical postmodern marxist ideology can be so thoroughly indoctrinated among them that they have no chance of escaping from it. That's what's happening in the education system. It's unbelievable. The people who are producing the educators that emerge from that institute should be put on trial for treason.
>>11317936
Marriage has been lost. Divorce grows in popularity, less and less people get married every year, single mothers are on the rise, and that's a bad thing. And before you say "you can survive without marriage" let me point to every single civilization on earth that independently agreed that marriage was important and those that didn't died out, much like the west is dying out along with marriage.

[Anonymous No.11317999]

>>11317962
Powerful argument.

[Anonymous No.11318007]

>>11317981
We could never be without that tradition even if we tried. No matter what we are all God's apprentices.

[Anonymous No.11318020]

>>11317999
>expecting me to waste time on a moral relativist

[Anonymous No.11318022]

>>11317137
>translating a book that's been translated many times by many different authors instead of an untranslated work by a poor POC or woman

[Anonymous No.11318035]

>>11317989
Man, I can actually hear his kermit-like voice

[Anonymous No.11318036]

there is nothing wrong with sexual "double standards" because men and women are different and hence unequal

[Anonymous No.11318040]

>>11318020
I'm new to the thread. Just calling retards as I see them. And either make an argument or don't say anything. Otherwise you're just making yourself look as worthless as you most likely are.

[Anonymous No.11318041]

>>11316221
For the (you)s

[Anonymous No.11318047]

>>11318036
Postmodernist types don't believe men and women have differences though.

[Anonymous No.11318051]

>>11318047
>postmodernist
now you've done it bucko

[Anonymous No.11318055]

>>11318036
People like to forget that under the traditional societal rules, men engaging in promiscuity beyond maybe their adolescent years was considered shameful. For sure there was an uneven prejudice against women, but the same general sentiment existed for men. The "double standard" is really just a skewed understanding of the history books, just as the narrative that history has always been men as a class against women as a class.

[Anonymous No.11318058]

>>11318051
Not an argument. Just because you don't like Jordan Peterson (neither do I) doesn't change that postmodernists dominate the humanities and that John Green is teaching high schoolers this form of criticism.

[Anonymous No.11318069]

>>11317916
>No holidays and festivals
>No structured work week
You can't get rid of the work week since people will work whenever they feel like it, which will lead to economic collapse. You *can* get rid of holidays and festivals, leaving a society with nothing to celebrate and kills culture, which makes such a society soulless and completely lacking vitality.

[Anonymous No.11318077]

>>11318069
Yawn. Prove it.

[Anonymous No.11318080]

>>11318077
the absolute state of retards

[Anonymous No.11318092]

>>11318080
>Makes unsubstantiated claim
>Gets called on it
>"It's you that is the dumb one!"
You have officially conceded.

[Anonymous No.11318096]

>>11318092
>make claim substantiated by the entirety of history
>get told by a brainlet to break it down for them so their brainlet mind can comprehend it
>call them out on being a brainlet
"I am officially a brainlet" -t. (You)

Fixed all that for ya

[Anonymous No.11318101]

>>11316211
summer repost don't fall for the bait.

[Anonymous No.11318108]

>>11318096
imagine going to these lengths to justify your virginity

[Anonymous No.11318118]

>>11318096
Like I said, you've officially conceded by dint of not being able to provide examples for your perceptions. So even if you had provided arguments they would not be accepted. But you did not. You essentially repeated your lackluster previous response. Saying history proves you right is meaningless. You would have to provide actual examples which according to you would be very easy. But you're incapable of doing so. You have conceded. Your argument has been proven false.

[Anonymous No.11318126]

>>11318108
imagine being a shit-eating retard like you

>>11318118
>hurrhurr u haff ofishully conseeded le ebin innernet fite 2 ME, THA GR8EST DEB8R EVVAR!!!!!!1!1!1

[Anonymous No.11318135]

>>11318126
>>11318118
>>11318108
>>11318096
>>11318092
>>11318080
>>11318077
both of you either say something about the Odyssey or go continue this conversation on reddit.

[Anonymous No.11318140]

>>11318126
You're trying hard to have the last word. It might be easier and look better if you used an actual argument to do so. But you don't have one. You have a lot of inner work to do. Find peace. The beginning of that road is to stop telling yourself that you are smart.

[Anonymous No.11318141]

>>11318118
Name me a civilized society that did have an established work week or holidays/festivals.

[Anonymous No.11318144]

>>11318135
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.11318150]

>>11318141
did *not* have an established work week or holidays/festivals.

[Anonymous No.11318157]

>>11318140
>I'll keep responding to your blatant shitposts, but YOU'RE trying to have the last word and YOU'RE the one trying to convince yourself you're smart
and logic has once again disappeared straight up your ass bud

[Anonymous No.11318166]

>>11318141
>>11318150
The onus is not on me. His argument hinges on that evidence and I demanded he provide it. He apparently can't since he has conceded by reducing himself to transparent sophistry such as: >>11318157

[Anonymous No.11318173]

>>11318166
>its resorting to sophistry to call people out on low-IQ posts
lmao stay mad faggot

[Anonymous No.11318185]

>>11318173
You couldn't substantiate your initial argument now you can't even substantiate why you find me stupid. You're flailing.

[Anonymous No.11318215]

>>11316232
How's that having two mommies thing working out for ya?

[Anonymous No.11318220]

The butthurt roastie brigade is out in full force today!

It's okay sweetie, maybe one day your pathetic gender will create something that lasts for millennia. I'm rooting for you!

[Anonymous No.11318224]

>>11318185
I don't have to substantiate your stupidity you purebred turboautist

[Anonymous No.11318241]

>>11318224
You do have to, in order to justify your painful insistence on having the last word. Otherwise you are proving to me and everyone else that you have a far more unpleasant personality than I do.

[Anonymous No.11318251]

>>11317989
>Marriage has been lost. Divorce grows in popularity, less and less people get married every year, single mothers are on the rise, and that's a bad thing. And before you say "you can survive without marriage" let me point to every single civilization on earth that independently agreed that marriage was important and those that didn't died out, much like the west is dying out along with marriage.
*snap*

[Anonymous No.11318262]

As if you fucking idiots don't need the legal and moral traditions the west was founded on and continues existing with. You absolutely blind idiots.

[Anonymous No.11318312]

>>11318262
>white supremacy good
>religious dogma good
>slavery good

[Anonymous No.11318342]

>>11318312
>Implying white supremacy existed before the discovery of the New World.
>Implying the practice of slavery was exclusive to the West

[Anonymous No.11318412]

Also

>implying the west didn't fight several wars and sacrifice millions of whites to end slavery in their dominions

[Anonymous No.11318436]

>>11316306
Define "white"

[Anonymous No.11318549]

>>11318312
>durr the West didn't overcome each of these things by applying its own principles towards itself

[Anonymous No.11318584]

>>11316680
You are so fucking right and its sad people will ridicule you for this.
>It is more reasonable to assume that the human mind will result to a more or less common ground of archetypical symbols and the reason this keeps coming up is due to an essential quality of the human psyche
This is one of the truest things I've read on here

[Anonymous No.11318594]

>>11316211

nowhere in the odyssey does it say odysseus had sex with anyone except his wife. not sure where this interpretation comes from

[Anonymous No.11318597]

>>11318584
Calm down.

[Anonymous No.11318629]

This video made me deeply upset. It is btw also possible to construe the Odyssey as a feminist text, or at least as a text which is not unaware of the female plight in 800 BC Greece.

[Anonymous No.11318643]

>>11318594
He’s not reading too much into it, just talking out of his ass.

[Anonymous No.11318659]

>>11318584
Except there's actually all kinds of non-archetypal symbology that appears distinctly in works outside of the Western cultural sphere that get discounted or bastardized to make them align with archetype theory. This is the primary criticism of Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces and Monomyth, and one of the biggest failures of Jungian collective unconsciousness theory.

Moreover, we can trace a direct line of authors admitting personally to Greek influence all the way down the Western canon, and an even bigger line of inferred inspiration in the forms of common structure and theme. These didn't arise on their own, they were imitated.

[Anonymous No.11318669]

>>11318629
This. I'm pretty sure the Fitzgerald translation's opening notes talks about Homer's uniquely aware stance on contemporary Greek women's lifestyle. It's not by any means a new insight or one that requires the text be cannibalized.

[Anonymous No.11318693]

>>11318584
Shouldn't you be selling people online personality quizes, Jordan?

[Anonymous No.11318696]

>>11316211
All this arguing and all that is really accomplished is John Green's clout increases. I wouldn't be surprised if his intern or something starts these threads. Hell, for all you know I'm said intern flaunting it right now.

[Anonymous No.11318710]

>>11318696
John Green's just going to end up getting #MeToo'd a few years down the line. Though I hope his retarded brother goes first. John Green is the Platonic Form of Mediocrity but Hank Green is a fucking entropy-increasing negative mark on humanity as a collective.

[Anonymous No.11318716]

>>11318710
This. All of this. I HATE working for him. But it's better than being a paralegal.

[Anonymous No.11318724]

>>11318716
Okay I laughed, I like your style John Green-intern-LARPer

[Anonymous No.11319201]

>be reading Dante's Inferno
>Beatrice is so problematic
>she's just another manic pixie dream girl
>and the book is SO VIOLENT!
>especially the circle of hell for the violent
>why didn't Dante put any trigger warnings?
>and the prophet Mohammed is burning forever among the heretics? Uh... just wow. How Islamaphobic.
>I hope a new translation rightly puts Mohammed in heaven and he fucks Beatrice because Dante isn't entitled to salvation!
>die Western culture!
>die die die!

[Anonymous No.11319205]

>>11319201
I want everyone who unironically supports this viewpoint to eat shit onto a sidewalk or asphalt so I can laugh as everyone else rightfully passes them by and doesn't even try to help them up or see if they're alright

[Anonymous No.11319774]

>>11318047
no they believe that women are better than men

[Anonymous No.11319802]

>>11316272
I know this is bait, but what about bright eyed Athene? She was by his side and he was very thankful. She's the only reason he managed to infiltrate his home and what not.

[Anonymous No.11319891]

>>11317905

dante never read the greeks tho. he still was inadvertedly influenced by them thru virgil

[Anonymous No.11319899]

>>11316211
>>The Odyssey is like so dumb. Odysseus has sex with like a ton of girls but he's going to kill Penelope if she's not faithful? That's not very feminist, Ody. You got some learnin' to do.
bait. nobody is this shallow.

[Anonymous No.11319906]

>>11319899
Green is that Nobody, in both a vernacular and ironically Homeric sense

[Anonymous No.11320026]

>>11316211
stop posting this

[Anonymous No.11320030]

Sure are a lot of w*man in this thread. Face-it ladies, your gal fucked-up; she wrote a shit translation that will be forgotten in a year. Maybe next time, okay?

[Anonymous No.11320035]

>>11320030
A woman, woman (male) or a woman-like man will respond to this post with the word "virgin" or "incel" within the next half hour. Mark my words.

[Anonymous No.11320047]

>>11316211

>Odysseus has sex with like a ton of girls but he's going to kill Penelope if she's not faithful?

This seems like Odysseus' prerogative if you ask me.
If she doesn't like it then I guess Penelope should do something about it.
I thought feminism was about empowering women not about complaining for men to change.

[Anonymous No.11320080]

>>11317300
>Satire mode engaged
Stahp. You sound like a CIA robot programmed to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.11320089]

>>11320047
Penelope was kind of a retard.
>She has a dream
>An eagle comes in and kills all the suitors
>The eagle says "I am your husband."
>Penelope needs help understanding what this dream means

[Anonymous No.11320094]

>>11316211
>Crash Course Literature
this idea is so retarded but I can't tell why

[Anonymous No.11320213]

>>11317043
>>11317062
Know that I changed a couple of pathways and now you're basically being hurt by them all over the place.
I hope you get fucked for good this time.

[Anonymous No.11320513]

le ebin KEK thread.

[Anonymous No.11320538]

Hundreds of thousands of teenagers will grow up with this in mind and you can do nothing about it

[Anonymous No.11320542]

didn't the illiad require iphigenia to sacrifice herself? most greek women aren't really potrayed in that bad of a light, at least i never got much of a negative impression.

[Anonymous No.11320624]

>>11320538
Are we any better? I had to put up with this postmodern literary analysis bullshit when I was in high school as well. It pissed me off back then too. If only I had known just how much it would escelate after I graduated.

[Anonymous No.11320648]

>>11320542
All their stories are about human beings first of all, but we are looking back at Greece right now in the light of identity politics. Ignore both the right and left talkingpoints, they don't do Greece justice.

[Anonymous No.11320741]

>>11319774
Nein. I'm a postmodernist who reads a lot of classics and writes poetry inspired by it. Granted, I'm only interested in postmodernism in art, I think it has massively different connotations in other fields. Then again, gender studies comes from Lacan and shit, who saw massive differences in men and women, particularly in their meaning-making.

[Anonymous No.11320810]

>>11319201
>read Anna Karenina
>she dumps her stuffy old husband for a hot new prince YOU GO GIRL!
>she attends an opera even though everyone there slut shames her
>Alexi tells her he will look the other way in her affair so long as she keeps up appearances with him
>she turns down his offer YAS SLAY QUEEN! He don't own you!
>thinking Anna is about to die, Alexi says he forgives her for cheating on him
>then she recovers from childbirth and runs off with Vronsky again STRONG, INDEPENDENT, DON'T NEED NO ALEXI!
>told not to visit her son, visits him anyway YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!
>Vronsky goes off on business for short periods of time, how dare he not respect what a goddess of perfect Russian nobility she is?!
>Anna has two families because her heart is so full of love
Who knew Tolstoy was such a staunch feminist?

[Anonymous No.11320822]

>>11317989
>The educators in Ontario have already decided that the goal of the education system is to indoctrinate children from from kindergarten-- from kindergarten-- into a ... communitarian, equity-oriented ethos.

Please leave communitarians out of this. We aren't what you think we are.

[Anonymous No.11320914]

>>11317989
“Postmodern ethos” is an oxymoron

[Anonymous No.11320925]

>>11317024
>anything written, said, thought, or done prior to 1995 is immoral or problematic

This is definitely a view that some people actually hold and it is definitely not a strawman which you just made up

[Anonymous No.11321405]

>>11320094
These kind of videos are made for people who don't have the attention span to even read Wikipedia articles, much less a book.

[Anonymous No.11322085]

>>11317043
>>11317062
brainlet

[Anonymous No.11322087]

>>11317077
who cares? rather be a conqueror than a slave

[Anonymous No.11322098]

>>11317097
>tfw tyou are so strong, opend minden, free thinker individual that some slurs make go apeshit
those people in the past were so stupid and emotional right guys?

[Anonymous No.11322106]

>>11317944
Islam is eternal.

[Anonymous No.11322130]

>>11316352
ThisX1000, he did it to survive.

[Anonymous No.11322148]

>>11317989
Saved

[Anonymous No.11322311]

>>11316332
Thanks for that cuck, we were afraid men were getting off the hook here and were about to go fornicate with their wives' neighbor

>But they do

Found the cuck

[Anonymous No.11322331]

>>11320925
Read
>>11317989

[Anonymous No.11322337]

>>11318312
The West is the only civilization, ever, to morally dismantle all of these systems.

[Anonymous No.11322473]

>>11317015
How is that culturally relativist. You're trying to hard to stick it to the /pol/ boogeyman

[Anonymous No.11322484]

>>11317916
>Not traditions.
Uhh My family has been breathing for thousands of years bucko

[Anonymous No.11322594]

>>11317669
>All you should care about is base level survival

[Anonymous No.11322833]

Remember when Telegonus rode to Ithaca on a dolphin and threw a fucking spear through Odysseus' chest and then he had to get together with Telemachus to swap moms for sex? HaHaHaHa

[Anonymous No.11322921]

>>11319205
take a look at this nigger. go eat shit out of a fucking indian street shitter

[Anonymous No.11323486]

John Green's forehead forms right angles.

[Anonymous No.11323497]

>>11322921
>people who don't want to witness the collapse of Western society must be niggers
Oh man you really got me there, Chief

[Anonymous No.11323502]

>>11323486
>john green is a blockhead
it makes sense

[Anonymous No.11323516]

Updating the classics and removing the racism and misogyny would actually be a good thing.

[Anonymous No.11323522]

>>11323516

Why?

[Anonymous No.11323526]

>>11323522
Because it's current year and we're pro good things and anti bad things, duh?

[Anonymous No.11323533]

>>11323526

I can't tell if you're being sincere.

[Anonymous No.11323551]

another anti-white propaganda

[Anonymous No.11323621]

>>11317944
he would've hated it had it existed

[Anonymous No.11323653]

>>11323621
And with good reason

[Anonymous No.11323675]

>>11317300
magapedes and /pol/ hate mgtow more than they hate leftists

[Anonymous No.11323764]

>>11318312
>Ancient Greece
>White supremacy

[Anonymous No.11324102]

>>11316977
I would want to get back to my wife and homeland, but you better believe I would get all up in calypsos magic pussy as long as I was stuck on that island. Seriously I bet she looked like Greek Rihanna. Oof I would cum in her everyhole and let her cum all over me before I would weep looking out over the vast ocean. Hopefully Athena would be playing with herself while it was happening too.

[Anonymous No.11324128]

>>11320538
I hope they do, they will be Menelaus who lets Helen cuck him and then take her back, and I will be odysseus, the mgtow doing the cucking while having a pretty hot wife.

[Anonymous No.11325382]

>>11324102
That's some pretty severe domination complex you got going.

Are you sure you don't only think you want to have sex because women have told you for so long that sexual conquest is how you demonstrate your value?

Lobsters.

[Anonymous No.11325869]

>>11318584

hey wow jordan peterson can I buy some self authoring suites so I can write about how I was bullied in school and thusly can be a part of the alt-right with no guilt because one time a bully pushed me over

[Anonymous No.11326596]

>>11325382
No I like how sex feels psued. I would simply be making the best of the situation and get some sweet island pussy. not that a low test numale like you would understand that anyway lol.

[Anonymous No.11326632]

>>11316680
>>11318584
Got convinced to leave /lit/ again, hope you guys are teenagers

[Anonymous No.11326642]

>>11317077
>implying sexism and colonialism are bad things

[Anonymous No.11326662]

>>11317669
washing your hands after taking a shit / before preparing food.

[Anonymous No.11326673]

>>11316374
not even a little bit sperg

[Anonymous No.11326694]

>>11320538
i will be there to relentlessly mock them when the time comes.

[Anonymous No.11327110]

>>11320914

Explain that to the socjus evangelicals.

[Anonymous No.11327172]

>>11316211
Can you imagine him being your English teacher? What a cuck.

[Anonymous No.11327197]

>>11317076
The first jew tactic.

[Steve French No.11327217]

Greeks hated women. They were vessels to carry the genetics of their fathers so that the fathers could live forever through the DNA of their jizz. Greeks were also pedos and fags, especially idealizing young men. See: Catullus Who cares if they were feminist? You can't learn from people you tacitly or explicitly confirm your biases. If women were smart, they would bother themselves to learn more about their oppressors and their inner workings to better understand their own subjugation by men and the ways in which they exert power over men, formulate arguments that address the oppositions argument in a logical and well-informed manner, and could secretly harness the sex drive and it's consequential hypnotic/brainwashed state to control the world.

>me, a woman
>using my brain
>*silences the autistic screeching of my retarded sisters*

[Anonymous No.11327245]

>>11316211
What a basic bitch.

[Anonymous No.11327247]

>>11327217
show us your tits or else you aren't liberated enough to use your sexual power to control men

[Anonymous No.11327289]

>>11327172
I would bully this fuck to the point of nervous depression.