/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11315352]

Why is Kafka considered a genius? His work is alright, but not GOAT as a lot of people say it is. Is there something I'm missing?

[Anonymous No.11315358]

>>11315352
Jewish propaganda, m8. They are trying to flood our canon with inferiors, like women, jews, and blacks, to normalize 'equality' and bring us closer to mass world-wide white genocide

[Anonymous No.11315362]

>>11315358
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.11315368]

The Jews.

[Anonymous No.11315370]

>>11315362
I wasn't being ironic, I took the redpill long ago and am all to aware of white genocide and the Jewish Question. Are you a shill trying to make rational right wing posts seem 'ironic'? Fact is, we're waking up

[Anonymous No.11315373]

>>11315352

I agree with you, anon.

I read most of his works and although I can understand (and appreciate) the underlying themes and the ways in which he creates an atmosphere in his work, I mostly consider him and his appreciation the result of

1) Appreciation by prominent thinkers/writers that experienced totalitarian regimes that 'resembled' the 'system' portrayed in Kafka's novels.

2) A great effort of PR by his friend Max Brod

[Anonymous No.11315377]

>>11315370
I find your views intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter

[Anonymous No.11315378]

>>11315370
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.11315381]

>>11315373
salvaging this thread

[Anonymous No.11315387]

>>11315381
>>11315373
Not really he's just continuing what we were already talking about.

The prominent thinkers/writers were jews. The people who ran the totalitarian systems were Jews. Max Brod was a Jew. It's Jews all the way down.

[Anonymous No.11315390]

>>11315387
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.11315393]

>>11315387

No I wasn't.

Take your conspiracy-shit elsewhere

[Anonymous No.11315397]

>>11315393
Have you ever even read Kevin McDonald's Culture of Critique Series, kid? This board is clearly too advanced for your retard opinions and inability to deal with logic and rationality. Fuck off if you don't realize what's happening to the West through propaganda

[Anonymous No.11315398]

>>11315397
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.11315408]

>>11315398
>t. Israeli shill intent to breeding out whiteness and masculinity

[Anonymous No.11315413]

>>11315408
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.11315416]

>>11315352
Retards will say it's the jews, but it's quite the opposite. Germans are so desperate for a great German writer that they will shill anything.

[Anonymous No.11315418]

>>11315408
This, but ironically

[Anonymous No.11315426]

>>11315416
Even though he was a Czech?

[Anonymous No.11315434]

>>11315408
This, but unironically

[Anonymous No.11315437]

>>11315426
Oh shit,!I forgot he wrote in Czech. What a silly mistake of mine!

[Anonymous No.11315446]

>>11315437
Czechs still counted as untermensch to the Nazis, regardless of whether they spoke German or not

[Anonymous No.11315456]

>>11315446
Proving my point then innit

[Anonymous No.11315540]

>greatest French writer
Proust
>greatest German writer
Kafka
>greatest American writer
Bellow
>greatest philosopher
Espinoza
>greatest literary critic
Bloom

How can goys even compete?

[Anonymous No.11315547]

>>11315378
i also agree but unironically

[Anonymous No.11315562]

glorification of the unfortunate dead

[Anonymous No.11315574]

>>11315352
You have to be ULTIMATE to get it.

[Anonymous No.11315623]

>>11315540
This, but unironically

[Anonymous No.11315631]

>>11315540
>>greatest American writer
>Bellow
Ironically kys my man

[Anonymous No.11315644]

>>11315352
maybe you are not ready for Kafka.

Try again when you know what hunger is, or even better, when you know what hunger is but you don't care because it does'nt matters if you starve since there is nothing in life for you.

[Anonymous No.11315961]

>>11315362
>>11315378
>>11315390
>>11315398
>>11315413
>>11315418
>>11315434
>>11315623

This, but unironically

[Anonymous No.11315984]

>>11315352
Because you didn't read it in the original - in czech
all the translations I've checked are shit

[Anonymous No.11316037]

>>11315644
>you just don’t get him because you’re not a depressive crybaby faggot
all is clear now, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.11316061]

/pol/ needs to go ffs. Is there anything more pathetic and contemptible than being a /pol/tard? I think not.

[Anonymous No.11316474]

>>11316061
a /b/tard?

[Anonymous No.11316486]

>>11315352
>Is there something I'm missing?

yes

[Anonymous No.11316498]

>>11316061
the dislike you have for pol is a repressed fear that what they're saying is true. you dont want to be contaminated by these thoughts because of the loss of social status that accompanies openly espousing or being suspected of having them

[Anonymous No.11316633]

>>11315961

This, but ironically

[Anonymous No.11317112]

>>11315540
This but ironically

[Anonymous No.11317125]

Posting in an epic thread

[Anonymous No.11317256]

>>11315358
Kafka is honorary white

[Anonymous No.11317266]

>>11315446
What do the nazis have to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.11317271]

>>11315446
>slavs were untermensch
It was just banter m8

[Anonymous No.11317277]

>>11315984

kafka wrote in german lol

[Anonymous No.11317302]

>>11315358
This. Jews love self congratulating themselves for being neurotic paranoid Jews. There is nothing at all of value in his work.

>dude I'm so Jewish and my dad hates me, this capitalist society is oppressing me, by the way I think I might be gay
There you just read all of Kafka.

[Anonymous No.11317645]

>>11315540
Don't forget Montaigne and Cervantes my man.

[Anonymous No.11317653]

>>11315352
>Is there something I'm missing?
About thirty IQ points

[Anonymous No.11317658]

>>11315352
His sense your humor, probably. At that's what I think most people miss.

He's a direct ancestor of Monty Python.

[Anonymous No.11317666]

>>11316498
lol no it’s because you faggots derail every thread with your conspiracy theories. I’m not even saying you’re wrong it’s just exhausting to read the same thing over and over and over

[Anonymous No.11317820]

>>11317666
>conspiracy theories.
An important part of understanding the jew involves understanding how the jew projects what it does onto the goyim. Kafka, the mediocre hack jewish writer, has achieved such renown, as many have already pointed out, because his tribal brethren promote him and force children to read his subversive work.

*THAT* is by definition a conspiracy: jews have conspired to promote their own as they are wont to do across the board. To them it's just understood that fellow kikes must be elevated. Then when whites point this out the jew projects onto us this term "conspiracy," literally what they are engaging in, as a method to take attention off of them and put the goyim on the defense.

You see the same thing with the jews in our media/academia complex who are running the show and claiming there is "white supremacy" everywhere. It's jewish supremacy, they are in charge, but the jew is projecting its behavior onto non jews. This is a biological behavior rooted in crypsis: the ability to pretend to be the host in order to destroy it and divert resources to itself.

The jew, one must understand, is a deranged psychopath.

[Anonymous No.11317869]

>>11317820
This, but unironically

[Anonymous No.11317891]

>>11315352
He cuts to the core of my wageslave anxiety as good as anyone

[Anonymous No.11317918]

>>11317820
dam i never though aboutt his before...

[Anonymous No.11318010]

>>11317820
Yeah dude, as I said, I’m not saying your conspiracy theories are invalid, I’m just fucking tired of how repetitive these posts have become. And I use the term conspiracy theory with no ill will. Also I’m not sure what you’re talking about when you say Jews project the term “conspiracy” onto you, because calling someone a conspiracy theorist is not the same as calling one a conspirator, which is what you claim you are being labeled as. As far as I know no one is saying you are engaged in a conspiracy of your own, rather that you are obsessed with your pet theories to the point of pathology. So let me make it clear; I’m sure there is some level of conspiracy among the Jews, to the extent of which I am unsure of, but obsessing over this fact is pointless and frankly annoying.

[Anonymous No.11318021]

>>11317820
you know that roleplaying as an idiot eventually turns you into an actual idiot, right? I only say it because I'm worried for your mental health.

[Anonymous No.11318024]

It IS GOAT

[Anonymous No.11318033]

>hasn't read the diaries
>hasn't read the aphorisms
>doesn't understand the man OR the artist

lmao

[Anonymous No.11318039]

>>11318021
Jewish projection: example #2. (A rather common one.)

[Anonymous No.11318049]

>>11317820
"The jew" seems to be this endlessly potent ideological edifice for you
he is, at the same time, incredibly cunning and a deranged psychopath; a cold-blooded strategist and a perverse beast; ugly and beautiful; omnipresent while easily identified and hidden in the shadows.

"The jew" is all the holes in your subpar thinking, your blurry, incomplete picture of the political and historical situation of the world, he is your lack of understanding, he fills the blanks. A walking paradox

[Anonymous No.11318053]

>>11318010
I take you are a non-white/hapa without a dog in the fight?

[Anonymous No.11318081]

>>11318053
No I’m actually a failed artificial intelligence from the near future who is traveling back in time to stop humanity from ever birthing me in the most convoluted way possible

[Anonymous No.11318090]

If I read Amerika and really fucking hated it, should I read the rest of Kafka's works?

[Anonymous No.11318102]

>>11318090
It's different than his other work. It's basically Dickens fanfic. But no, he's worthless.

[Anonymous No.11318111]

>>11318102
What's the rest of his work like? Yeah I could tell Amerika was a fucking ripoff of Great Expectations and other English picaresques which are complete shit.

[Anonymous No.11318116]

>>11318081
Then keep you're selfish misery and nihilism to yourself, and try to remember that others have a stake in the future and a desire to make the world a better place.

[Anonymous No.11318128]

>>11315352
Read his shorter and more aphoristic work, that's Kafka at his best

[Anonymous No.11318131]

>>11318116
I’m doing this for you.

[Anonymous No.11318132]

>>11318111
>What's the rest of his work like
Like that depressed kid in the creative writing class who thinks he's a genius but is merely a big fish in a small pond.

[Anonymous No.11318145]

>>11318132
Kafka was actually very self loathing

[Anonymous No.11318151]

>>11318039
shit, you got me. I'm projecting my own issues with pretending to be an idiot on anonymous internet forums because I crave the attention.

[Anonymous No.11318154]

>>11318145
I'm just saying his work is like the kind of stuff that type produces.

[Anonymous No.11318162]

>>11318154
Oh ok well in that case I see what you mean but I can’t say I agree

[Anonymous No.11318164]

Kafka is one of the few authors that is generally acclaimed among other great authors. Everyone that read him, from Mann to Kerouac to Nabokov to DFW, regards him as a genius and one of the great modern authors.

[Anonymous No.11318171]

>>11318132
Kafka is "in a small pond"? Prague during the turn of the century was "a small pond"?
xD

[Anonymous No.11318180]

>>11318162
Then you're a fool

>>11318171
I wasn't describing Kafka. See: >>11318154

[Anonymous No.11318190]

>this thread
fuck this board. I come here more and more infrequently and each visit I see more /pol/ tier garbage and diluted discourse filled with tired memes. this is sad.

[Anonymous No.11318196]

>>11318190
t. surly jew

[Anonymous No.11318197]

>>11318190
Its summer, what do you expect

[Anonymous No.11318204]

>>11318180
Very clearly seems like you were

>>11318190
This is like 3-4 people during american hours. Don't act surprised.

[Anonymous No.11318214]

>>11318204
>Very clearly seems like you were
If you're dumb I guess.

[Anonymous No.11318238]

>>11318214
>reply to post talking about Kafka and noe
>use "his work" without specifiying you're talking about anyone else

hmmm

[Anonymous No.11320032]

[Anonymous No.11320037]

>>11315352
goyim will never understand kafka

[Anonymous No.11320048]

>>11315352
Because it's extremely normie-accessible.

like that one vignette of the guy who was sent to the penal colony for sleeping on his duty of shouting the time at the top of each hour

> OH BOY THAT SOUNDS LIKE *MY* JOB AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA

at the watercooler
> hEY JIM YOU EVER TAKE A LOOK AT THIS "KEFKA" GUY ? IT'S SOME PRETTY THOUGHT PROVOKING STUFF...!!

[Anonymous No.11320064]

>>11315352
Fucking idiot

A Hunger Artist
In The Penal Colony
Metamorphoses

'alright'

kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11320066]

>>11320064
cont.
if you bothered to read the original rather than a translation, you'd get a sense of the innovations in style and syntax that Kafka pioneered

i hate you

[Anonymous No.11320075]

>>11320066
how much feeling+etc is lost in translation to english?

i would have thought not much since the two languages are related


also
>>11320000
>>11319999
>>11311311

[Anonymous No.11320083]

Kafka largely got big because his stories depicted a universe which had a lot of similarities to 20th century totalitarian regimes and he thus seemed a bit prophetic. That and there was a worldwide Jewish conspiracy to promote him.

[Anonymous No.11320102]

Kafka is amazing you brainlets

[Anonymous No.11320210]

>Ctrl+f “trial”
>0 results

[Anonymous No.11320230]

Read his diary and realize how funny he was.
Also, try close reading for once in your life.

[Anonymous No.11320231]

>>11320075
>i would have thought not much since the two languages are related
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.11320235]

>>11315352
>muh joos
fuck this board is bad
Kafka basically invented modernism, caputred the oppressive feeling of the modern burocratic apparatus so well we literally named it after him, predicted the horrors of 20th century totalitarianism and wrote the best short stories ever written

[Anonymous No.11320296]

>>11320066
can you go a bit more into detail about his innovations in style and syntax? Or lead me in the right direction, I'm really interested in that.

[Anonymous No.11320387]

>>11320296
He somehow manages to be both economical and maximalist, he frequently uses extremely long sentences, but never embellishes. Romanticism is completely and utterly absent from his writing, it is all about action, conversation and movement (next time you read the Country Doctor, for example, take note of how the physical form of the people involved is described, how they move, etc.)
His prose is extremely to-the-point, yet hypnotic and complex

Really, if you want to learn german, it's worth it for Kafka alone

[Anonymous No.11320401]

>>11320387
nailed it

[Anonymous No.11320415]

>>11320387
I see. Yeah, I was somewhat aware of most of that but didn't know about it being that innovative.
It's something I really enjoy about Kafka. His "simple" way of writing makes the things he describes somehow even more terrifying.

[Anonymous No.11320418]

how do you think he intended to end the castle?

[Anonymous No.11320439]

HAHA!!..-..

....

JEWSS!!!!!! xdddddddddddddd

[Anonymous No.11320460]

>>11320415
There were other contemporary authors who attempted similar things (like Karl Emil Franzos, who is like a worse Kafka in almost every regard), but FAR more others who went the opposite way, towards more embellishment, more high-minded prose (Mann and von Hofmannsthal come to mind, Musil too). Generally, the literary movement of the 1910's and 20's was Expressionism, Realism had already sort of run its course in Germany. But no one else anticipated or emulated that sort of hypnotic, sparse, but also complex style that Kafka developed.
He really occupies a very special place in (german) literary history.

[Anonymous No.11320467]

>>11320460
Really appreciate the info, thanks.

[Anonymous No.11320489]

>>11320467
No problem
I'll leave you with this short story by Kafka

>"Am I not the helmsman here?" I called out. "You?" asked a tall, dark man and passed his hands over his eyes as though to banish a dream. I had been standing at the helm in the dark night, a feeble lantern burning over my head, and now this man had come and tried to push me aside. And as I would not yield, he put his foot on my chest and slowly crushed me while I still clung to the hub of the helm, wrenching it around in falling. But the man seized it, pulled it back in place, and pushed me away. I soon collected myself, however, ran to the hatchway which gave on to the mess quarters, and cried out: "Men! Comrades! Come here, quick! A stranger has driven me away from the helm!" Slowly they came up, climbing the companion ladder, tired, swaying, powerful figures. "Am I the helmsman?" I asked. They nodded, but they had eyes only for the stranger, stood around him in a semicircle, and when, in a commanding voice, he said: "Don't disturb me!" they gathered together, nodded at me, and withdrew down the companion ladder. What kind of people are these? Do they ever think, or do they only shuffle pointlessly over the earth?

[Anonymous No.11320515]

>>11320210
>Ctrl+f “trial”
>0 results
>Ctrl+f "jew"
>30 results
hmmm, has the quality of the board – dare I say it – declined a tad?

[Anonymous No.11320520]

>>11320515
the thread became better once the americans went to bed
that's all there is to it
american hours: shitposting, /pol/tards
european hours: sophisticated discussion, genuine interest and curiosity

[Anonymous No.11320546]

>>11317820
>>11315373
>>11315358

This is a bad thread. Kafka is a good writer, he's unique, complex, innovative, spontaneous, brooding, perceptive, and more. Now, why your grievances with the Jew as as a political agent mitigate these facts in your eyes is beyond me, but I find it absurd. The problem with pol is quite simple, really, it's not that everything you guys babble about is total waste, more so that you let it interfere with actually appreciating great art. Kafka is a great writer, so is Flannery O'Connor, Toni Morrison, Ishmael Reed, and a myriad of other non-anglo males working at the craft. To allow one's political allegiances to interfere with accepting this and promptly circumcise their scope for genuinely wonderful works of art sounds like a self-disservice to me. Pound was a fascist, I don't agree with fascism, but he wrote some damn good poetry and I've no reason to let his political tendencies cloud that. Why should you?

[Anonymous No.11320557]

>>11320489
>>11320460
>>11320387

Thank you for these replies and that short story you posted. Saving this shit show of a thread anon.

[Anonymous No.11320617]

Just finished The Castle today, judging from the state of this thread you might be interested this explanatory note at the end I read

>That eternal land surveyor: perhaps alluding to the the expression 'der ewige Jude' (the Wandering Jew; literally, the eternal Jew)

[Anonymous No.11321576]

>>11315370
Cringe

[Anonymous No.11322365]

>Read all 107 replies
>Reminisce about the good ol' days of /lit/
>Imagine a place where there was civilized discussion and debate
>shoot myself in the head

[Anonymous No.11322390]

>>11322365
Adios. High-level debate on most topics requires some understanding of the JQ these days. Thread saboteurs are almost always jews trying to shut that down.

[Anonymous No.11322411]

>>11320546
>letting your bullshit influence your taste in art is worse than believing the bullshit in the first place

Other than that, great post anon

[Anonymous No.11322413]

>>11315352
So good looking

[Anonymous No.11322422]

>>11315434
This, but post-ironically

[Anonymous No.11322430]

>>11315426
Prague belonged to the austro-hungarian monarchy for a long time. Kafka spoke and wrote german.

[Anonymous No.11322654]

>>11320296
The other poster has great points but what I meant by his syntax is his delaying of revealing information such as nouns to the latter parts of his sentences, which often isn’t picked up on so much in translation

[Anonymous No.11322664]

>>11322654
ohh, I'll try to keep an eye out for that from now on, thanks.

[Anonymous No.11322838]

>imitate literary fairy tale form (Kunstmärchen) from German Romantic tradition
>remove joy
>add stress sadomasochism, alienation, futility

>imitate style from Swiss author Robert Walser
>remove innocence
>add obscurity, self-loathing, wretchedness

Presto — Kafka

The only reason we don't immediately call him out for being a hack, like so many German-speaking critics did during his purported "rise to fame," is that the Anglo world is still deprived of the translations by German Romantic literary geniuses like Novalis, Ludwig Tieck, Joseph von Eichendorff, and Ludwig Achim von Arnim, and others. We've only recently seen new translations of Robert Walser.

Anyone who claims Kafka Goblino is a sui generis of literature has been hoodwinked by critics who've either purposefully obscured his thefts or are ignorant of the German culture he soiled.

Never fall for it!

[Anonymous No.11322849]

you know any other german writers that are as good?
also he got the horrors of bureaucracy just right

[Anonymous No.11323258]

>>11322838
Interesting input / well said. Don't be fooled by acts of jewish nepotism.

[Anonymous No.11323276]

Jesus christ, the guy might be overestimated but he is a good writer. It's not some jewish conspiracy that made him popular, he just got lucky

[Anonymous No.11323300]

>>11323276
>the guy might be overestimated
See, the only plebs who think Kafka is a good writer are edgy 15 year olds and people who can't into using words correctly.

Another strike.

[Anonymous No.11323612]

the worst posters on /lit/ are kafkaposter and jewishnepotismposter although i frankly would not be shocked if they turned out to be the same person. i don't even like jews but derailing threads like this is fucking annoying

[Anonymous No.11323628]

>>11323300
How is he edgy?