Don Quixote: /srg/ Thread #1

[Anonymous No.11301515]

This is the first official Summer Reading Group thread, /srg/. This is a recurring general posted weekly on Sundays, between 5om and 6pm, EST.

Our book of choice is Don Quixote, by Miguel de Cervantes. Our translation of choice is Grossman, although Ornsby and Putnam are also good.

This thread is disucssing the author's preface, and chapters 1 - 10.

Link to previous thread:
>11281106

Please discuss here all thoughts on the authors preface and chapters 1-10.

NEXT WEEK: We will be discussing chapters 11 - 23. Each thread will be posted Sunday evening between 5pm and 6pm EST.

So, /srg/, what are your thoughts so far?

[Anonymous No.11301519]

This was, I thought, a good analysis of the introductory chapters, and especially of the authors preface.

[Anonymous No.11301520]

>book doesn't get here until tomorrow REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.11301521]

>>11301515
>Our book of choice is ...
no that is your choice

[Anonymous No.11301552]

OP Here,

I am reading the Ornsby translation, and one with considerable annotations.

I firstly think that the author's preface is great. Its funny, and even self-depreciating. It was funny and self-aware. Kind of felt like he was making fun of his own book, while also feeling really proud of his knight.

the first few chapters are really funny so far. Whimsical even. I already love the character because hes so self-absorbed into this fantasized idea of being a valiant knight, but he truly is a long ways off. The best part about this, I think, is that the author doesn't actually name him as an idiot or a poser, but it feels like hes humoring DQ by "playing along with" his perceived knightliness. Like Cervantes is humoring DQ.

Pls see attached reading guide. I unfortunately have some monstrous fully illustrated and fully annotated copy of the Ornsby translation so I could not make page numbers or anything in this guide. If someone with a regular Grossman translation wanted to do something like this with page numbers, it would be very appreciated.

[Anonymous No.11301558]

>>11301521
Go back to attempting to read Infinite Jest.

[Anonymous No.11301566]

>>11301552
Thanks. I started before but I dropped it because I wanted to read David Copperfield with my gf. I'll try to keep up with /lit/. Should be fun.

[Anonymous No.11301581]

>>11301558
I'm white, you fucking cuck. I understand literature ten times better than you do, degenerate third world nigger

[Anonymous No.11301583]

>>11301515
Read it in 2015

[Anonymous No.11301643]

>>11301581
Lmao what? are you retarded

[Anonymous No.11301647]

This is a NO BULLY ZONE. Post your honest thoughts. Feel free to babble or whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.11301672]

I’ve read through the first 5 chapters and I’m enjoying it so far. I’ll come back to the thread when I finish thru 10

[Anonymous No.11301682]

>>11301515
Don Quixote is my favorite book, I'm already reading a couple dense books, do I still want to tag along for a glorious reread?

[Anonymous No.11301748]

>>11301520
Same here. Also this week I'll be super busy so I don't know if I'm gonna catch up until the next Sunday.

[Anonymous No.11301830]

>>11301515
Mine came in the post today. I got the Vintage Classics version but have yet to dig in. I'll catch up and join in the debate next week though.

[Anonymous No.11301844]

still working on the first readings, will check back when i'm caught up

[Anonymous No.11302002]

>reads all arthurian romances
>essentially an expert by now
>easily persuaded to carry money around by a barkeep
still lmaoing. What a barkeep though, went a long with it AND managed to persuade him to look after his own well being. True sympathy.

[Anonymous No.11302058]

>why did they have to burn the books

[Anonymous No.11302194]

>>11301521
piss off

[Anonymous No.11302211]

>>11301515
ive been reading my copy for like a damn 3 years. the best part, i can always pick it up whenever, read a bit, and stop and try something else. its like a damn comedy show that im taking years to finish. its fun but i like to move on quick, i swear im fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.11302215]

find the book to be very comfy, anyone else?

[Anonymous No.11302219]

>>11302058
I guess they thought it would stop him somehow, I don’t think it’s gonna

[Anonymous No.11302226]

dont fall for this meme book. You have been warned.

[Anonymous No.11302282]

>>11301515
i remember it fucked me up when quixote tried to help the slave getting whipped and it just ending with the slave getting whipped more. i want to think quixote is living a good life by being ignorant, but he really just hurts others. am i overthinking it? should i just enjoy the dipshit and his antics?

[Anonymous No.11302333]

>>11302215
It's really comfy. Whimsical and even in the first ten chapters the whole world feels gigantic and full of potential adventure.

[Anonymous No.11302377]

>>11302282
It definitely sets Don Quixote up as a flawed character and I like that he’s kinda dumb yet full of self confidence

[Anonymous No.11302421]

>>11302226
>meme book
>over 400 years old
ishydtt

[Anonymous No.11302460]

>>11302377
yeah hes like a complete dipshit with delusions of himself being some heroic knight. I think its hilarious, especially that the world (and the author!) just seems to humor him

[Anonymous No.11302469]

>>11302460
I mean Don Quixote would be medicated the fuck up if he was running around 2018 pulling this shit, he’s a legit crazy person

[Anonymous No.11302483]

>>11302469
I actually laughed out loud when I read the part about him refusing to take off his helmet in the castle (inn), and forcing the ladies (wenches) to feed him trout and wine through the facegaurd of the helmet.

[Anonymous No.11302501]

>>11302483
I LOLd when he decided NOT to test out this new helmet

[Anonymous No.11302505]

>>11301682
>a couple dense book
I’ve only ever read ONE dense book at a time. Which ones are you reading, sir?

[Anonymous No.11302722]

Really, what are ethese threads that good for? Isn't Don Quixote a pretty straightforward text? Not exactly much to discourse on upon windmills and their relation to Giants.

[Anonymous No.11302790]

>>11302722
>What’s the point of fucking /lit/

[Anonymous No.11302802]

>>11302722
>discussing literature on /lit/

Can't believe people think it's ok to do this

[Anonymous No.11302984]

>>11301519
FIRST TIME SOMEONE HAS EVER SCREENSHOTED MY POST OMG

>>11301515
I'm surprised by how modern the book is, or at least how ahead of its time it is, even though it constantly mentions other concomitant books. It feels like Cervantes opened up a whole new dimension of meta literature, compared to two-dimensional books of the time. The literary criticism that almost feels like a savage dissing of translations of poetry, and various books via the priest was spectacular.

[Anonymous No.11303001]

>>11301519

You are a tremendous fagget If you think that shitty food review is a good analysis
Fuckin christ, you people

[Anonymous No.11303013]

My favorite chapter so far has been the one in which they burn the books. It's such an innovative, almost-breaking-down-the-fourth-wall, kind of literary criticism that I was first surprised by it, and then found it to be the most comfiest chapter of them all. I feel like I could reread that chapter so many times.

This is how Cervantes uses sarcasm/exaggeration to mock a terrible book. Amazing.

[Anonymous No.11303021]

>>11302505
Against the Day, Book of the New Sun

[Anonymous No.11303023]

This general is full of shit, you literally have the analysis capacity of a 3rd world college fresh man. All you have said is probably in 3 or 5 essays written by 1700's Cervantes critics. Kill the general, kill yourselves or learn to think about actual interesting things instead of the obvious
Fuck you all this board is probably worse than plebbit

[Anonymous No.11303030]

>>11303023
what have you contributed to the thread anon

[Anonymous No.11303043]

>>11303030
Autism

[Anonymous No.11303044]

On Don Quixote himself, if we discount his lunacy then we have at our hands a perfect literary character, I'd go so far as to say that Don Quixote is the ideal character. One who lives for an idea, sees extravagance in everyday life, treats himself and the ones around him with grandeur. A person can only become obsessed with these ideals when their everyday life is lacklustre, and we can all relate to that.

[Anonymous No.11303047]

>>11303001
Pls go away jerk

[Anonymous No.11303053]

>>11303030
Nothing cause Im not wasting 5 minutes on writing something good from my shit so you can talk back something as childish and simple minded as you have done. I just wanted to let you know you are all pieces of shit so you can stop pretending to read Cervantes while in a fuckin bubble

[Anonymous No.11303062]

>>11303053
lol were you just molested or something? It must be exhausting being this edgy and angry all the time. Why does the act of pople discussing literature on a literature board piss you off so much?

[Anonymous No.11303066]

>>11303053
>talk back something

I think I’m good not having your insight anon

[Anonymous No.11303068]

>>11303062
Don't feed the angry incel, anon.

[Anonymous No.11303094]

>>11303023
Dunno what you want people to analyze and think about when it's most of these guys first time reading and it's the first 10 chapters. Should they talk about the realism inherent in the Quixote when they aren't even privy to it's importance? Should they analyze the importence that for the first time a novel takes as its hero an old man without the obligations or motives of previous heros? Should they, first time reading, make intricate posts detailing the novelty of the metaficticious narration, the subversive stories from literature none of them have ever read, analyze the influence Spanish drama had on the quixote? Or should they immediately relate the quixotes character to neo-platonism? Recognize the inn as a microcosm of society that they undoubtedly don't relate to anymore? Get off your high horse you idiot. People read for fun and like to talk about it. Go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.11303105]

>>11303094
Phone posting ignore grammar/spelling

[Anonymous No.11303114]

>>11302802
>>11302790
I think he's asking what depth if any are we trying to get from this discussion. There's nothing wrong with his post besides his blunt statement. Don't be surfacr level readers.

[Anonymous No.11303131]

The windmills to me represent just that heartwarming idealism. There could very well be some somber undertones to the tome but Cervantes let's us ignore them and I have laughed out loud several times in every chapter. I'm finished with Part 1 of Book 1 — that's 8 chapters — and I am absolutely falling in love with this book.

It's not a philosophical tour de force, or a captivating thriller: it's just a comfy book about a brilliantly stupid person and the other brilliantly stupid people he meets, his idyllic adventures with hilarious outcomes, a dream-like narrative and jocular meta behaviours in between.

[Anonymous No.11303135]

>>11303114
yeah, but we are admittedly 10 chapters into the book. Its a funny book and most people are just talking abut what they liked and what scenes were memorable. Kind of like people posting a few lines of lyrics of a song in the comments under the video for that very same song. Although its not doctorate level analysis, its still good discussion. Were just enjoying the book.

[Anonymous No.11303169]

>>11303135
Don't worry anon, I can't say I got much out of it beyond the obvious when I read it, just glad to see there's a dedicated thread that isn't a meme. You could probably encourage a little analysis if you looked up some critiques and posted that along with the chapters. Keep up the good work and lets make this a staple of /lit/.

[Anonymous No.11303210]

>>11303169
That's a great idea. I will do that.

[Anonymous No.11303234]

Lol in chapter six Don Quixote tried to do 7*9 in his head and declared to the farmer that the boy was owed 63 reals lmao. I found this funny how he did the math wrong and no one corrected him.

I like this book so far. It's comfy and it makes me laugh.

[Anonymous No.11303240]

>>11303234
anon, 7*9 is 63

[Anonymous No.11303263]

>>11301515
Background music for this thread:
http://quijote.bne.es/libro.html

[Anonymous No.11303313]

>>11303240
Oh shit I'm retarded.

Also it was in chapter 4.

Fuck I'm dumb lol

[Anonymous No.11303339]

>>11303234
If I recall correctly Quixote said 73 reales, and it is supposed to be a joke on the part of Cervantes because he made accounting errors in his job.

[Anonymous No.11303347]

>>11301515
I like the idea that Don Quixote is simply putting the idea out in the universe that he is in fact, a knight. He is willing himself into the role. Is he a chaos magician ?

[Anonymous No.11303366]

>>11303047
He right tho

[Anonymous No.11303374]

Also the element of literature, ie. how literature imitates reality is how the story of don quixote is told to us. It is true that humanity guides art guides humanity, but this is the first modern novel that is about art guiding a human, rather than being made to guide humans itself. This is evident in the ninth chapter, where the change of narration and atmosphere provides a hilarious intermission between the first two parts of the first book(chapter 8 and chapter 9) and it is also one of my favorite chapters after the one in which the books are burnt by the priest.

Why these two chapters? They're both meta as fuck, extremely hilarious even though Quixote himself is only mentioned passively, all of a sudden Cervantes speaks to us after chapters upon chapters of dialogue. It's innovative, comfy, heartwarming, intriguing, inviting, and the realism makes the story so credible which, of course, makes the book even more hilarious, if that was possible.

Also Don Quixote's fedora-tier chivalry to the ladies(pic related) always makes me laugh out loud, to imagine him in the middle of a battle with the Basque, about to slash the guy into two, and all of a sudden he tips his metaphorical fedora, bows and speaks in the neckbeard language. It is an additional probably unintended to the level that I see it at now, element that makes this books a GOAT.

[Anonymous No.11303407]

>[Allowing DQ to read poetry may cause him to] take fancy to turn shepherd and range the woods and fields singing and piping; or, what would be still worse, to turn poet, which they say is an incurable and infectious malady"

What did she mean by this ???

[Anonymous No.11303426]

>>11302211
If it was up to me I'd grab every book and put them on a great big pile and burn the fucking lot. All books are for is for smart cunts to show off about how much shit they've read to other smart cunts.

You get everything you need from the paper and the telly.

[Anonymous No.11303430]

>>11303426
meant for
>>11302058

[Anonymous No.11303439]

I feel like this thread was doomed from the start because nobody specified that we were reading the first 10 chapters for this thread and several people don't even have the book yet or aren't read up to chapter 10 so we have a higher proportion of shitposters to legitimate contributers than we otherwise would.

[Anonymous No.11303470]

>>11303439
This. Can people just read the first 10 chapters fast please? And why the fuck is nobody responding to all the stuff I've written?
>>11302984
>>11303013
>>11303044
>>11303131
>>11303374

[Anonymous No.11303607]

>>11303470
thanks for writing those good posts, nothing to really add, just taking it all in, your covering it all pretty well, keep it up

[Anonymous No.11303610]

>>11303607
Thank you anon, I'd love to hear other people's thoughts too. That's how we can make /lit/ better.

[Anonymous No.11303946]

books pretty cool

[Anonymous No.11303952]

>>11303946
Kek. Why is it cool?

[Anonymous No.11303990]

>>11303952
words and stuff

[Anonymous No.11304034]

>>11303990
What words? Surely all of them couldn't be pretty cool?

[Anonymous No.11304055]

>>11301515
Fugg, I thought we were starting this week.

[Anonymous No.11304068]

>>11304055
I did too, but apparently OP's plan is that people who missed it can read the prologue + 10 chapters while this thread is alive. I read it all in the last few hours.

[Anonymous No.11304161]

>>11303094
Good post.

[Anonymous No.11304342]

I'm on the twelfth chapter, and this has to be the best book I've read so far, alongside Crime & Punishment. The humour, the comfiness, the pure godly loveliness, who can dislike this - I don't understand!

What surprises me is how much of a quick read it is. The pages fly by. I could read the whole book in a few days if I had the time.

[Anonymous No.11304347]

>>11304342
>What surprises me is how much of a quick read it is.
i'm not a native english speaker so im forced to look up words all the time, but i'm enjoying the book nonetheless

[Anonymous No.11304354]

>>11304347
Neither am I, I've been deracinated to the point where I speak English better than my native language, yet I still have to search a few words sometimes.

[Anonymous No.11304361]

>>11304354
where are you from

[Anonymous No.11304365]

I love how Cervantes makes fun of fiction in its own ganre. Showing every one how you can write a good story that has merit and not just a power fantasy.
Reading it now his words still apply to fantasy today.

[Anonymous No.11304374]

Reminder that there's a whole Yale course on Don Quixote, free of charge:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4A35EEAEE3880943

[Anonymous No.11304384]

>mfw Don Quixote's name is based on the adjective "quixotic"
pretty brilliant implicit characterisation by your man Cervantes

[Anonymous No.11304393]

>>11304374
My nigger.

[Anonymous No.11304401]

>>11304384
>mfw Don Quixote's name is based on the adjective "quixotic"
The absolute state of /lit/

[Anonymous No.11304402]

>>11304384
Kek

[Anonymous No.11304411]

>>11304374
FUCK FUCK FUCK THIS GUY JUST SPOILED THE ENDING 5 MINUTES IN

[Anonymous No.11304416]

>>11304361
India

[Anonymous No.11304499]

>>11303407
Cervantes and Garcia Lorca had a feud and he makes references insulting him all throughout

[Anonymous No.11304671]

>>11304384
That’s a nice cart-horse you got there.

Show of hands, who’d be thrilled to ‘implicitly characterize’ their stories as well as Cervantes?

[Anonymous No.11304689]

>>11304499
>Cervantes and Garcia Lorca
????????? There's 300 fucking years between them

[Anonymous No.11304714]

>>11304689
That's how good Cervantes was.

[Anonymous No.11304792]

>>11304714
This. Nigga was actually from 19th century.

[Anonymous No.11304834]

>>11304671
'me' 'me' 'me'

[Anonymous No.11304838]

>>11304384
>>11304671
I wish my parents named me Joyce to implicitly characterize my writing style.

[Anonymous No.11304854]

>>11304838
Why would you want your parents to treat you like shit anon?

[Anonymous No.11304867]

>>11304499
I suppose you mean Lope de Vega

[Anonymous No.11304891]

>>11304854
Wouldn't be any different from now...

[Anonymous No.11304905]

>>11304867
Yeah sorry got mixed up between Federico and Felix

[Anonymous No.11305035]

>>11304068
Yup. Any idiot can read this while the thread is still up. It's like 80 pages lol the guys bitching could have already been caught up

[Anonymous No.11305052]

>>11302984
I agree. It feels like it's modern. It reads like he's self-aware and all of literature is already behind him. It's a weird style he cooks up. I enjoy it.

Also,do you think chapter 6 where they burn all the books was just Cervantes talking about his own book ?

[Anonymous No.11305079]

>>11303044
Oh I can relate to this for sure. It's a classic case of their life being boring, and using stories to ascribe meaning to themselves. It's happened to all of us. I think it's so comfy cuz it's what we did when we were kids. We would read books and watch shows where someone unspecial becomes special by hidden power or magical selection:

>harry potter
>Ask Katchum
>Fairly Odd Parents
>Jimmy Neutron
>Percy Jackson
>all the new age YA like hunger games and divergent

A world where things are bad and boring and someone (self insert for yourself) rises up with special powers or something and saves it all and goes on adventures. I think this is why it's so comfy. Because it's this same story without any powers but the world just humors him.

[Anonymous No.11305087]

does anyone know the if the rutherford translation is any good? just that it's the only one i have to hand. 25 pages in it doesnt seem impenetrable or clumsy but if theres a version thats objectively better i'll try to get it

[Anonymous No.11305100]

>>11303439
It's 10 chapters. An idiot could read this all in an hour. The thread will last longer than that.

Also I think the op said he was doing it low chapters this week so people could catch up during the duration of the thread or catch up easily before next week if their book gets in late.

[Anonymous No.11305131]

>>11305052
In the end, that's just what he did. He talked to us through the dialogue of the priest.

[Anonymous No.11305141]

>>11305087
I'm reading Grossman and it's amazing, but if you have it go with Rutherford, it's good.

[Anonymous No.11305253]

>>11305141
Yeah in my research for this /srg/ I've found that Rutherford and Putnam are the standard translations that were always taught In school for a long while. The Grossman translation is also great but that's really really recent and modern and it's also more sparse in its translation. Ornsby is the most in-depth and literal and you should really only read an Ornsby if you have an annotated version of the book. But yeah my point is that Rutherford and Putnam are the ones they teach in schools.

[Anonymous No.11305335]

>>11304354
>deracinated to the point where I speak English better than my native language
iktf

[Anonymous No.11305342]

>>11305141
Smollett is infinitely better than the Grossman translation.

[Anonymous No.11305385]

>>11305342
I'm not familiar with Smollett sorry but if you have that, great! I'm really loving my Grossman for now, and I intend to read this book once every few years, so I'll try out all the different translations! :)

[Anonymous No.11305443]

Can someone explain to a brainlet what was the point of the Chapter 9 part where Cervantes explains (in the middle of the fight) that he found an Arabic copy of his own book? I don't quite understand it.

Did Cervantes actually find an Arabic version of the book?

Is the ensuing fight that resumes immediately after this passage just a Spanish translation of an Arabic translation of his original work? (Translated to English again by Ornsby?) I don't get ittt

[Anonymous No.11305460]

>>11305443
Reading the Ornsby translation by the way

[Anonymous No.11305546]

>>11305443
I thought it was just trying to make the book seem like a real retelling of a history and lend a hilarious credence to it all. Also, in my head I imagined it like an intense fight scene and all of a sudden a 10 minute diversion on the part of the narrator, like in an anime or something.

[Anonymous No.11305771]

Is it fucked up that I imagine Don Quixote to be my recently deceased father?

[Anonymous No.11305777]

>>11305079
Who else remembers those Alex Striker spy books? I think that's the name. They were like metallic shiny silver/grey books and each one had an accent color that was bold yellow or bold red or bold green, a new color for each book. Those were peak /comf/

[Anonymous No.11305795]

>>11305777
Oh fuck yeah this is it

I know this is a bit of an offshoot from DQ discussion but these are very nostalgic for me

[Anonymous No.11305805]

>>11305771
A little, yes. Was your father a deranged violent lunatic who tries to murder priests?

[Anonymous No.11305856]

>>11305795
I used to read those, Artemis Fowl, Percy Jackson, and yes even Diary of a Wimpy Kid only around 7 years ago (I'm 18). Guess I turned out fine.

[Anonymous No.11305861]

>>11305805
A man who was too idealistic for this material world, yes.

[Anonymous No.11305884]

Does this book have a cool ass villain or what

[Anonymous No.11305914]

>>11305884
yes, his name is Don Quixote

[Anonymous No.11306009]

>>11305856
Me too. I'm 22 and read those books in middle school and very early high school.

DQ is just what would happen if we read all these books and fancied ourselves to be spies or Greek Gods and went out into the world with grappling hooks or philosopher's robes and tried to break into embassies or do battle with spear on Greek mountain tops.

[Anonymous No.11306053]

>>11305914
wow...

[Anonymous No.11306168]

>>11306053
makes you think, right?

[Anonymous No.11306175]

>>11305795
was literally about to say "do you mean alex rider"
>>11305856
also this. but not diary of a wimpy kid. i remember skullduggery pleasant when the 3rd book was coming out. weird to think about and now im thinking of catching up

[Anonymous No.11306252]

>a fucking statue
every time

[Anonymous No.11306262]

I genuinely hope that Squancho becomes governor of an island. My fat lil night deserves it.

[Anonymous No.11306265]

>>11306262
he's a squire bruh

[Anonymous No.11306268]

>>11305914
Holy..... I want more. Mind is totally blown!

[Anonymous No.11306286]

>>11301682
could you explain the reason(s) for ranking don quixote as your favourite book?

[Anonymous No.11306365]

Don Quixote is the OG FedoraLord

[Anonymous No.11306651]

>>11306365
the book or the character

[Anonymous No.11306883]

>>11306651
Character for sure. They way he talks to the "damsels" is identical to modern cringe compilation fedora-wearing "m'lady" white-knight beta males. It's hilarious.

[Anonymous No.11307499]

Bump, there seemed to be a lot more enthusiasm in the pre-reading thread.

[Anonymous No.11307520]

>>11306883
thats where it comes from, chivalry, white knighting, being a romantic gentlemen

[Anonymous No.11307525]

>>11306883
he's wearing armour, maan, and he has a squire.

[Anonymous No.11307600]

>>11306883
you could say today's fedora tippers killed chivalry

[Anonymous No.11307743]

>>11307600
>you could say today's fedora tippers killed chivalry
you could say women want the asshole dick baddass obnoxious badboy jerk mean domestic abuser high t male

[Anonymous No.11308168]

>>11307743
Can't tell if ironic nice-guy or not.

Either way you should stop bitching about and go attack some preists to save the women.

[Anonymous No.11308188]

> Chapters 1-10

My edition is divided into books, the first part being divided into 8 chapters. What's the title of the latest chapter we're on?

[Anonymous No.11308233]

>>11305443
It's a big joke, treading the 2nd book as if it is some ancient relic. It's a parody of the knight books that Cervantes is tearing into.

[Anonymous No.11308262]

Is Don Quixote actually pretty high IQ?

> well read
> fit for combat
> listens not to naysayers
> crafts his own reality instead of being cucked by peasant life
> easily convinces Sancho to be his willing follower, even going so far as to leave his family behind and risk his life in mortal combat
> does this with literally no budget
> attracts all comely maidens with his high speech

[Anonymous No.11308274]

>>11308188
>Chapter X. Of the pleasant discourse that passed between Don Quixote and his squire Sanchez Panza

[Anonymous No.11308277]

>>11308262
Is DQ a giga-Chad or a low-T beta male orbiter?

[Anonymous No.11308336]

>>11308274
... Wtf I don't have that chapter.

[Anonymous No.11308402]

>>11308336
What's your translation?

In this chapter the first paragraph talks about how Sancho asks DQ if they just won an island from the fight with the Biscayan (previous chapter), and DQ tells him that this was not a fight where they won an island, this was instead a crossroads fight.

>"this adventure is not of islands, but of cross-roads in which nothing is got except a broken head or an ear the less: have patience, for adventures will present themselves from which I may make you, not only a governor, but something more"

says DQ to Sancho

[Anonymous No.11308459]

>>11308336
Should be Chapter 2 of the second book I think.

[Anonymous No.11308487]

On chapter 13 now, and the book is finally settling down a bit rather than being as fast-paced as before. I don't mind it, now Quixote goes on long soliloquys, the chapters are becoming longer in length too.

Stories now span a 2-3 chapters rather than a story each chapter, like the first part of the first book(chapters 1-8).

[Anonymous No.11308825]

Chapter 15 has a most beautiful poem in it, and then a savage reply to all the nice guys out there from a hit girl named Marcela, whom I wish to rape.

[Anonymous No.11308850]

>>11308825
DQ: Don't follow m'lady, she just owned you. DQ, seconds later: Let's go follow her Sancho, on shit my horse is horny

I'm loving this part

[Anonymous No.11308867]

>>11308850
I like how the book is starting to mature now in the last few chapters.

[Anonymous No.11309214]

>>11308487
>soliloquYs
It's plural man you gotta change that.

[Anonymous No.11309218]

>>11308277
That's the magical thing.
He's both.

[Anonymous No.11309228]

>>11309214
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.11309529]

>finally getting started
>read the introduction by Cervantes
>pretentious name droppers btfo by his friend
kek

[Anonymous No.11309554]

>>11301515
I just started this today, completely unrelated to any thread. Weird.

I won't join you though because I'll be finished by Sunday. Good luck all.

[Anonymous No.11309562]

>>11309554
You can still post here, I'm done with 20 chapters — don't have to follow that limit religiously.

[Anonymous No.11309824]

>>11309529
"His friend" is probably just him speaking, though I loved the prologue so much.

[Anonymous No.11310490]

just starting the book, ill try to catch up to chapter 23 by sunday to properly take part in the next thread

[Anonymous No.11310549]

Would you call this book historical fiction?

[Anonymous No.11310602]

>>11310490
>spends a week making a helmet
>immediately destroys it in a single swing of his sword

ive barely started and im already keking

[Anonymous No.11310675]

>>11310602
>refuses to remove his helmet wen dining at the inn.

This kekked me.

[Anonymous No.11310685]

>>11310675
>M'ladies
>M'swineherd

[Anonymous No.11310753]

What is it with Cervantes/Don Quixote's obsession with dwarves?

[Anonymous No.11310781]

>>11310753
It was a common trope in genre fiction at the time

[Anonymous No.11310815]

>cervantes giving his own book a shoutout by having it spared from the fire

cheeky

[Anonymous No.11311607]

how you guys

[Anonymous No.11311619]

Reading this for the first time, I had no idea this book was about a salty failed author just shitting all over genrefic for 900 pages but its INCREDIBLE

[Anonymous No.11311622]

>>11310685
Quixote wrecking the stablehand so hard that the innkeeper had to just make him a knight so he'd fuck off was top tier

[Anonymous No.11311672]

>>11311622
>go to move madmans armour
>he rees at you
>throw it aside anyway
>he beats your ass

reminded me of pic related

[Anonymous No.11311843]

>>11311622
Yeah this Kekked me

[Anonymous No.11311849]

Chapters 11-23 due next week: thread #2 will be posted on 6/17/18 at 6pm.

[Anonymous No.11311865]

>>11311849
>American dates
Thank god I spend all time every day on /lit/ or I would never find the next thread.

[Anonymous No.11312099]

>>11311865
>arranging dates by order of comparative unit size and not by order of comparative numbering size
17/06/18 makes no fucking sense.

[Anonymous No.11312105]

>>11312099
>17th day of the 6th month of 2018
it makes the most sense

[Anonymous No.11312116]

>>11312105
No, because the month is necessarily represented by smaller digit sizes.
At the top end you'd have 31/12/99. 12/31/99 makes more sense.

[Anonymous No.11312125]

>>11301515
>They actually tried to read this garbage.
Top fucking kek.

[Anonymous No.11312129]

>>11312125
Its really not hard to read if you're not a GRRMdrone

[Anonymous No.11312137]

>>11312116
according to your own reasoning your system stops making sense on dates like the first 11 days of december then, because then the second digit is smaller

[Anonymous No.11312162]

>>11312137
general and on average: months max out at 12, all months have more than 13 days

[Anonymous No.11312177]

>>11312162
that still means that by your earlier reasoning your system often makes no sense, whereas ours makes sense every day of the year

[Anonymous No.11312525]

>>11312177
no, there are more days of a month >12 than less
12/1/18
12/2/18
12/3/18
12/4/18
12/5/18
12/6/18
12/7/18
12/8/18
12/9/18
12/10/18
12/11/18


12/13/18
12/14/18
12/15/18
12/16/18
12/17/18
12/18/18
12/19/18
12/20/18
12/21/18
12/22/18
12/23/18
12/24/18
12/25/18
12/26/18
12/27/18
12/28/18
12/29/18

[Anonymous No.11313253]

Everyone make sure you're caught up with next week's thread cuz there's way more things to discuss in those chapters

[Anonymous No.11313880]

swell

[Anonymous No.11313962]

>>11310549
Si. More like a parody.

[Anonymous No.11313968]

>>11313253
This, the chapters really get more longer and interesting in the third part of the first book.

[Anonymous No.11313983]

>>11312525
this. now imagine you're numerically sorting dates numerically,
09/1/18
is NECESSARILY followed by
09/2/18

on the other hand
1/09/18
is not necessarily followed by
2/09/18
it's interrupted by
1/10/18
which is a completely different date

[Anonymous No.11314039]

>>11313983
>>11312525
>>11312177

None of this fucking matters. You're chasing solecisms.

Increasing or decreasing order of temporal slicing. Years are bigger than months are bigger than days etc

Y/M/D/H/M/S/MS or the reverse. Y/D/M makes no sense because you're going from large denominations to small to medium. It should be a solid gradient, and then there's no nonsense to be dealt with.

American here, for what it's worth.

[Anonymous No.11314084]

>And so Don Quixote charged the Basque upon his mule, shielded with his pillow, both intending to venture all their strength upon this one fatal blow
>AND THEN THE ANIMATOR SUFFERED A FATAL HEART ATTACK
Okay I fucking kek'd

[Anonymous No.11314090]

>>11314039
>Years are bigger than months are bigger than days etc
Arbitrary, especially in a computerized world where alphanumeric sorting is the standard and a whole lot of time can be saved by having systems conform to Month Day Year.
Hour/Minute/Second temporal slicing obviously is necessary, that's a different issue and outside of the original question. You'd be using a different numerical notation for these anyways.

[Anonymous No.11314095]

>>11314039
>>11314090

usually people know what year we are in, so that on both is last / /18

brits can argue usually people know what month we are in, so quick glance, most convenient thing youd want to see is the day

but for doing long inputs maybe, of schedules and dated data, maybe its smoother to group things that happen in successive order, in a month, and to first see that same digit to see the grouping aha!

[Anonymous No.11314138]

>>11314095
Nobody cares about the full date if you're asking them on the street. Dating is for the future's benefit, not the present.

[Anonymous No.11314164]

>>11302058
That part it's also a excuse from Cervantes so he can talk about books that were pretty famous at that time, and kind of pass judgment over them.

[Anonymous No.11314278]

>>11314138
yeah people will often only care what day it is because unless theyre literally retarded and just escaped an asylum they know the month, so the day being at the start makes the most sense

[Anonymous No.11314629]

>>11314164
It's my favorite chapter desu.

[Anonymous No.11314670]

>a good man - if that title can be given to someone who is poor -
lmao

[Anonymous No.11314692]

>>11314670
I thought that was savage.

[Anonymous No.11315730]

>If there is any objection to be made about the truthfulness of this history, it can only be that its author was an Arab; and it's a well known feature of Arabs that they're all liars

Kek, what kind of beef did Cervantes have with them

[Anonymous No.11316074]

>>11315730
Spaniards didn't like Arabs my guy

[Anonymous No.11316240]

>>11315730
something something spanish expulsion of the saracen peoples

[Anonymous No.11316277]

>>11303021
>Book of the New Sun
You're going to have to reread it at least once anyway so I wouldn't be too worried about absorbing it all the first time. It's not a particularly difficult read either

[Anonymous No.11316641]

has anyone read chapter 24 so far?

feels bad man

[Anonymous No.11316678]

>>11316641
well next thread on sunday were discussing 11-23, think youre a bit ahead of the game desu

[Anonymous No.11318595]

>>11316641
Don't spoil it, I'm on chapter 17

[Anonymous No.11319396]

>>11303013
I too enjoyed that part because of Cervantes' cheeky fashion of critiquing books. There he is, deconstructing all these famous works and right when you least expect it, he makes a joke about himself and his own work. I loved that part because it reinforced the saying "You can't laugh at others unless you can laugh at yourself."

[Anonymous No.11319442]

>>11319396
Throughout, Cervantes does humour in an amazing manner. In Chapter 16, Quixote grabs a whore and thinks of her as a queen.

[Anonymous No.11319629]

>>11303013
>>11319396
It's possibly because I'm unfamiliar with most of the works mentioned but I found it quite tedious. It's a long list of references, each with a short note attached. Like something straight from Ready Player One but aimed at the 17th century.

[Anonymous No.11320025]

>several long pages dedicated to the hot chick in the woods who wouldn't put out so one of her orbiters Cobain'd himself and now everyone has to show up to virtue signal at his funeral
Why dot jay peg

[Anonymous No.11320029]

>>11319629
Read the introduction penned by Cervantes. In it, his says one of the practical issues with his books is that he has no bibliography for his work, but then he spends an entire chapter having others go through his library or something resembling it and pick through his inspirations with a viewpoint that is both highly critical and also largely parody.
The whole thing reads like a shitposty Shelf Thread and its incredible

[Anonymous No.11320045]

>>11320029
I've read it. But I honestly don't see the merit in two chapters spent rambling about books for a chuckle. As I said, I'm not familiar with most of the works mentioned and I guess that I might have enjoyed it more if I were.

[Anonymous No.11320046]

>>11320045
I don't know what to tell you, the chapters aren'tt meant to be deep and thought provoking

[Anonymous No.11320052]

>>11302058
Found that part really funny, how he justified each decision so arbitrarily.

[Anonymous No.11320056]

>>11302058
>burn Quixote's entire library
>steal his good shit, probably going to Moorish Ebay
>build a fucking wall in front of his library room
>when he wakes up tell him a fucking wizard came and stole his shit
>he actually believes you, the absolute madman
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

[Anonymous No.11320181]

>>11320056
i find it even worse that after discovering so many books that they think are priceless in his collection, they then burn a shit load without even looking at them because they got bored

[Anonymous No.11320492]

> d-desu

[Anonymous No.11320545]

>>11320492
Keep it for the next thread my dude.

[Anonymous No.11320714]

How do you guys pronounce Quixote?

>Kee-oh-tay
>Kwicks-oh-tay
>Kee-Show-tay
>Key-Showht

[Anonymous No.11320717]

>>11320714
ドン・キホーテ

[Anonymous No.11320731]

>>11320714
Kwicks-oat

[Anonymous No.11320736]

>>11320714
Donkey ought.

[Anonymous No.11320745]

>>11320714
Don King Kongte

[Anonymous No.11320748]

>>11320714
Dawn Quiche-otter

[Anonymous No.11320794]

>>11301647
I've just finished it yesterday. Felt like a children book - very simple prose, not too descriptive, chapters are very concise, and humour isn't really that funny. And today, when i was in bookshop, as i was passing by 'foreign classic' shelf, i saw Don Quixote book and i noticed something weird about it. It had 3 times the volume of the book that i posses. I skimmed through it and it had more chapters then mine. I came home, checked the preface of my copy, and it said "abbreviated translation". WHAT THE FUCK, WHY WASN'T IT PRINTED ON THE COVER AND WHY WOULD SOMEONE WILLINGLY READ ABBREVIATED VERSION? They literally castrated a book and sold to me, didn't even bothered to notify me that i was buying crap, and it was the only version they had back then. I got fucking bamboozled.

[Anonymous No.11320846]

>>11320794
you really thought DQ was only 300 pages long?

[Anonymous No.11320849]

>>11320846
It's 600, and i had no idea how long it's supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.11320857]

>>11320794
you can only blame you're self

[Anonymous No.11320870]

>>11320857
I blame adhd children for whom this abomination was created.

[Anonymous No.11321270]

>>11320748
>>11320745
>>11320736
>>11320731
>>11320717
>>11320714


>that Don something-or-other

[Anonymous No.11321289]

>>11321270
>americans btfo once again

[Anonymous No.11321301]

>>11320714
Donny Coaty

[Anonymous No.11321783]

>>11321270
wtf

[Anonymous No.11322057]

What's up with Cervantes and his fight against the fake Don Quixote author?

[Anonymous No.11322737]

is don quixotes horse a reference to anything, or some sort of spanish joke i dont get or is it just a horse

[Anonymous No.11322762]

>>11322057
Its a reference to Borges

[Anonymous No.11322795]

>>11322737
Checked wiki, apparently it's a Spanish pun

>Rocín in Spanish means a work horse or low-quality horse, but can also mean an illiterate or rough man. There are similar words in French (roussin; rosse), Portuguese (rocim), and Italian (ronzino). The etymology is uncertain.
>The name is a complex pun. In Spanish, ante has several meanings and can function as a standalone word as well as a suffix. One meaning is "before" or "previously". Another is "in front of". As a suffix, -ante in Spanish is adverbial; rocinante refers to functioning as, or being, a rocín. "Rocinante", then, follows Cervantes' pattern using ambiguous, multivalent words, which is common throughout the novel.
>Rocinante's name, then, signifies his change in status from the "old nag" of before to the "foremost" steed. As Cervantes describes Don Quixote's choice of name: nombre a su parecer alto, sonoro y significativo de lo que había sido cuando fue rocín, antes de lo que ahora era, que era antes y primero de todos los rocines del mundo—"a name, to his thinking, lofty, sonorous, and significant of his condition as a hack before he became what he now was, the first and foremost of all the hacks in the world".

[Anonymous No.11324290]

Don Quixote is my hero so far

[Anonymous No.11324564]

>>11302460
Don quixote is not actually deluded though, its just a persona he's playing at.

[Anonymous No.11324580]

>>11322737
It means "Nag Before", the joke is that Quixote named him in honor of his previous pathetic job so that people would marvel at how wonderful a warhorse he had become.

[Anonymous No.11324583]

>>11322057
There was a man who falsely published his own Part 2 of Don Quixote, which caused Cervantes a whole lot of real problems and put off the proper publishing of Part 2 until 1615 when Cervantes was on his deathbed

[Anonymous No.11324593]

>the entire book turns into a fucking Family Guy "DUDE I VOMITED NOW YOU'RE VOMITING INTO MY VOMIT WHICH MAKES ME VOMIT INTO YOUR VOMIT" bit when Sancho Panza drinks the Friarebras
This entire book is like a shitpost from a time traveler, "our most modern novel" can only be a criticism

[Anonymous No.11324604]

On chapter 23,now and the chapters finally feel like something out of a book rather than just dialogue of 5 pages. The relationship between Quixote and Panza is also getting funnier, their nonsensical misadventures are, like always, heartwarming. Catch up with me fags.

[Anonymous No.11324606]

>>11324593
Exactly, and that all started out from a fart? I don't know if I should call this my favorite book so far, this part was a bit too immature even for me lmao.

[Anonymous No.11324675]

>>11322762
kek

[Anonymous No.11324678]

>>11322795
>>11324580
interdasting, thanks
ill need to read some more online as i go along to see what else i miss or goes over my head

[Anonymous No.11324680]

>>11324678
Are you reading an edition without footnotes for some reason?

[Anonymous No.11324689]

>>11321270
rekt

[Anonymous No.11324701]

>>11324680
it has them but there isnt a mention of his horses name and its meaning so theres probably other miscellaneous things missing too

[Anonymous No.11325232]

>>11324604
i think a lot of people are pretty far ahead

maybe we should discuss up to chapter 30 next thread?

[Anonymous No.11325243]

>>11301515
>reading 10 chapters in a week

Hard pass famalam

[Anonymous No.11325301]

>>11325232
I'd rather we don't. I have limited time and don't want to drop my other reading. People just need to learn how to pace their reading.

[Anonymous No.11325305]

>>11325301
this, theres no need to rush it

[Anonymous No.11325448]

>>11324606
>>11324593
Humour related to bodily functions was very common in Cervantes' era. These aren't refined Victorian sensibilities we're dealing with. As another example, Rabelais had Gargantua drown half the city of Paris in piss.

[Anonymous No.11325486]

Finally a reading group in which I can participa te. Don't let this one fail, guys.

[Anonymous No.11325498]

>>11320714
Kee-Shó-Tê
br here

[Anonymous No.11325505]

Hi,

I am also reading Don Quixote (french translation) this summer but I don't really participate here, and I'm about chapter 23 as well lol. I just wanted to say that it's really great, really fun, probably one of the best read of my life. I have a hard time reading since I'm stupid as fuck and never really got the habit but Don Quixote is really a nice read, fun and always rewarding: I can just read one chapter a day, and I'll be sure to read something funny, beautiful and heartwarming every time.

The chapter that really got to me was the part about the funeral of the cheated lover, with the beautiful shepherdess coming at the top of a rock to tell people that she's not responsible for his death. Beautiful, funny, and emotionally heavy imho.

[Anonymous No.11325809]

>>11325301
>>11325305
:( really wanna discuss chapter 24-30 with the chon lads

oh well

[Anonymous No.11325838]

>>11325505
>The chapter that really got to me was the part about the funeral of the cheated lover, with the beautiful shepherdess coming at the top of a rock to tell people that she's not responsible for his death. Beautiful, funny, and emotionally heavy imho.
wait until you get to 24-30, shit will get heavy

[Anonymous No.11326790]

>>11325243
Max 15 pages a day m80.

[Anonymous No.11326944]

>>11326790
>mfw im already falling behind on it

[Anonymous No.11326946]

>>11325505
>The chapter that really got to me was the part about the funeral of the cheated lover, with the beautiful shepherdess coming at the top of a rock to tell people that she's not responsible for his death. Beautiful, funny, and emotionally heavy imho.
Almost so boring I had to skip it

[Anonymous No.11327248]

>>11320714
>>11321270
It’s medieval Spanish so I pronounce it like that. Most usefully, although modern Spanish changed, English actually retained the original ‘x’ pronunciation in quixotic.

[Anonymous No.11327368]

don quixote may be crazy but sancho is an absolute madman for going along with him

[Anonymous No.11327381]

>>11301558
>attempting to read Infinite Jest
So true it hurts.

>>11301515
Can I participate if I read it in Spanish? I'm a border hopper.

[Anonymous No.11327404]

about to finish part 1 lads

[Anonymous No.11327413]

>>11326946
boy are you in for a rough ride....

[Anonymous No.11327431]

>>11322762
honestly one of the reasons why i am reading don quixote is so that i can reread the pierre menard short story and understand it on a deeper level.

[Anonymous No.11327663]

>>11327381
You can maybe even help explain the Spanish jokes like Rocinante.

[Anonymous No.11327669]

>>11327381
It's arguably better if you *do* read it in Spanish, as you get the raw experience the way Cervantes wrote it. I'm kinda jealous.

[Anonymous No.11327706]

>>11327431
Its been a while but I could have sworn the meaning was just just that even if you are reading like Homer you are doing it through the contemporary zeitgeist. It's impossible to go back and read Cervantes through the mindset of someone of the era

[Anonymous No.11327717]

>>11327669
Pretty sure the spanish Cervantes used isn't the same as modern day spanish. Even natural speakers would have a hard time.

[Anonymous No.11328586]

>>11308336
Originally the first part was divided into 4 or 5 parts, it wasn't until he released the second book that Cervantes decided to make it only two parts (the first and second book)

[Anonymous No.11328737]

>>11324604
lol fuck u faggot I'm on part 2

[Anonymous No.11328745]

>>11326946
If you didn't enjoy this chapter, you're probably won't enjoy the rest.