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Just finished this, what did/lit/ take away from it?

>> No.11283630

Really liked how the characters were woven into the story and how the events intertwined into a nice tapestry. The death speech was a slog to go through, but maybe that was cuz I'm a brainlet. The characters were great with their different ambitions and desires all jumbled up and sorta centered on the father. Definitely one of my favorite books of all time.

>> No.11283639

>>11283630
what a fucking insipid analysis you dumb fucking npc

>> No.11283706

>>11283521
Full of passion, lacking in good prose.

>> No.11283770

It's satire. it's actually hilarious. And the prose is damned good. Look at it as a satire and it will not be a "slog."

Cheers.

>> No.11284205

OP here, I thought it was a big celebration of love. Brotherly love between the brothers, and love for your neighbor through Father Zosima and Illusha forgiving his bullies and the boys all coming together when he falls ill. The philosophical chapters about the existence of God are some of the best arguments I've read and really interesting points of view. Overall, I can see why it is so praised. I love it.

>> No.11284678

>>11283706
This. It was a wonderful novel but the prose was not good; maybe translation issues, though.

>> No.11285420

>>11283521
I just finished it too. Loved it, though I didn't find the prose particularly interesting (McDuff translation. I think when I eventually read it again I'd try someone else). Grand Inquisitor hit me in the chest. The only ever perception I had of it before reading was the whole, "without God all things are lawful" and I was expecting some kind of tome of depravity but it was really beautiful and has a lot to take away from as a Christian.

>> No.11285517

>>11283706
Yeah P&V suck for prose.

>> No.11286024

Unfortunately Dosto is hard to translate while maintaining his prose.
>>11285420
This, Ivan's speech in TGI and at latter points can be interpreted both as a criticism and as a defense of Orthodoxy, it's brilliant.

>> No.11287383

>>11283521
The quote I most often think back to is Ivan's question, "How will her tears be redeemed?" Drives me nuts sometimes.

>> No.11287402

>>11283521
What did you take away from it you enormous oaf?

>> No.11287487

Got to “An Onion” and took a break for a good while. Picking it back up now.

The Onion chapter kinda drags.

>> No.11288143

>>11287402
Did you perhaps check the post that starts with "OP here"?

>> No.11288233

>>11283521
Just got to Ivan's Inquisitor poem last night. Damn... It was good, but holy hell was it long, like, the poem alone was longer than any other chapter of the book until it.

>> No.11288276

The lawyers’ speeches dragged too much imo. Everything with Mitia involved is top notch though, so intense and passional.

>> No.11288581

The trial is exhausting to read through but the prose is good in Russian. I like it better than Nabokov proving to me that he's actually a writer because I can at least understand what Dostoevsky is trying to tell me without a dictionary.

>> No.11289678

The whole thing with Lizaveta really struck me and made me sad

>> No.11289723

>>11289678
Did Fyodor expand on that plotline or did it came and went as it did in the beginning?

>> No.11289780

>>11283521
it made me think twice about religion. I can't tell if Dostoevsky believed in it or not, though.

>> No.11289798

>>11289780
>I can't tell if Dostoevsky believed in it or not, though
He literally once said that if someone would prove to him without fail that Jesus was a sham, he'd still hold onto Jesus.

>> No.11291255

>>11288276
I can understand the fatigue but the courtroom scenes were still very enjoyable for me. Satirising the flaws of the (then new) judicial system. The inversion with the 'right' guys using dirty tricks and the 'wrong' guys using pathos and honesty.

And yes on Mitya, once I understood how he works I loved everything he did. Every outburst made me go 'ah yes, that's Mitya to a T' and made me love him.

Dosto's characters are extremes and comical but still very human somehow.

Btw, what was the thing with the girl talking about watching people die and eating pineapple compote. I felt that she just did it to toy with Alyosha, perversion for the sake of perversion.

>> No.11292486

Financial advice

>> No.11292551

>>11283521
I think it legit changed me as a person and cleansed a lot of my edginess.

>> No.11292628

>>11288276
It's essentially a flashback episode but since the novel was so long I didn't particularly mind it

>> No.11292634

>>11283521
Atheists should be forced to read it to understand where their ideology truly leads.

>I can make my own meaning
No you can't faggot because someone else will make their meaning of life to stomp you into the dirt for their own gain

>> No.11292659

>>11292634
The Brother Karamazov is actually an atheist novel, read Shklovsky’s essay on Dostoyevsky: https://www.e-reading.mobi/book.php?book=111324

>> No.11292665

>>11292659
>The Brother Karamazov is actually an atheist novel
Yes, in the way how is exhaustively proves they're wrong.

>> No.11292668

>>11292659
English version please.

>> No.11292673

>>11292668
I don’t think there is an English version

>> No.11292675

>>11283770
>prose
>dostoevsky
Pick one.